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Scottydoesntno posted...

So have they provided any examples of Nintendo being cheap in games or are they still trying to say thay "not including a charger with the 3ds" "rubs off on all other aspects of nintendo including their games and makes their games cheap and bad"

Step up on your main Hoth. You keep trolling and have yet to put out a valid counter argument just because comprehension is too hard for you.

Going "I'm done here" and then coming back every hour and obsessing over this makes you look desperate and creepy.
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ModLogic posted...

PanzerElite posted...

Nintendo makes actual games that are fun.

smb is over 30 years ago and oot/mm is over 15 years ago.

only 3 fun games in decades is nothing to boast about.

BOTW
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im not going to address him directly, but I find it hilarious he prefers to call people hoth alts in lieu of providing a legitimate, non-troll argument
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Scottydoesntno posted...

im not going to address him directly, but I find it hilarious he prefers to call people hoth alts in lieu of providing a legitimate, non-troll argument

Then shut the fuck up. No one else but me is responding to you. I've provided enough of an explanation and asked you to counter it. Instead you made shit up like I'm saying it means they're bad games. By continuing that when I already said it's not the case is clear cut trolling.

So either you can't read and keep up with the topic, or you're trolling. Acting like a kid and going "I'm not going to address him" when no one else is talking to you is addressing me regardless.
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SavenForever posted...

ModLogic posted...

PanzerElite posted...

Nintendo makes actual games that are fun.

smb is over 30 years ago and oot/mm is over 15 years ago.

only 3 fun games in decades is nothing to boast about.

BOTW

Why would you even respond seriously to someone who thinks Nintendo has only released 3 good games.
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CM_Ponch posted...

SavenForever posted...

ModLogic posted...

PanzerElite posted...

Nintendo makes actual games that are fun.

smb is over 30 years ago and oot/mm is over 15 years ago.

only 3 fun games in decades is nothing to boast about.

BOTW

Why would you even respond seriously to someone who thinks Nintendo has only released 3 good games.

what i want to know is why locke keeps posting when nobody believes a word he says, and everyone has called him out on his dodging
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CM_Ponch posted...

SavenForever posted...

ModLogic posted...

PanzerElite posted...

Nintendo makes actual games that are fun.

smb is over 30 years ago and oot/mm is over 15 years ago.

only 3 fun games in decades is nothing to boast about.

BOTW

Why would you even respond seriously to someone who thinks Nintendo has only released 3 good games.

You know....that's actually a valid point. I have no idea why I responded to this.

It was 7am here at the time. I'm blaming being tired still.
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Nah, I think those negatives you point out are positives. I rather them not take too many risks or you end up with shit like Skyward Sword.

Nintendo has made some of the best games out there. I will agree that they could improve in some areas. I felt particularly let down by BotW's weak story and dungeons. Otherwise, it was still great.

Scottydoesntno posted...

what i want to know is why locke keeps posting when nobody believes a word he says, and everyone has called him out on his dodging

You've done nothing but troll him and provided nothing of substance since you left the topic. Don't keep returning if you can't argue anything.

Me and others can see his point, even if some of it is wrong. You've added nothing at all, but that's what you do Rika.
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archedsoul posted...

Nah, I think those negatives you point out are positives. I rather them not take too many risks or you end up with shit like Skyward Sword.

Nintendo has made some of the best games out there. I will agree that they could improve in some areas. I felt particularly let down by BotW's weak story and dungeons. Otherwise, it was still great.

Scottydoesntno posted...

what i want to know is why locke keeps posting when nobody believes a word he says, and everyone has called him out on his dodging

You've done nothing but troll him and provided nothing of substance since you left the topic. Don't keep returning if you can't argue anything.

Me and others can see his point, even if some of it is wrong. You've added nothing at all, but that's what you do Rika.

i gave him a simple task. to provide an actual, in-game example. He's refused to do this. Instead, he chooses to troll. You are defending him. What does that make you? And i thought i was hoth? Make up your minds lol
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archedsoul posted...

I rather them not take too many risks or you end up with shit like Skyward Sword.

See this is why the conversation never gets past this point.

Nintendo fans are

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dc_6dlY5Qnk" data-time="

Lets get absolutely real here. In a minute and a half dude breaks it down way better than I ever could

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6G0ciael7NE" data-time="

There's no risk to Skyward Sword...at all man. There's no heart, no passion. It's by the numbers and it gets carried by the Zelda name. SS is the quintessential example of a total Nintendo phone in. When Nintendo steps a tiny bit out of their comfort zone and actually gives a shit you get something like BOTW.

Nintendo fans get terrified by the idea of them actually "Taking risks" because it's such unfamiliar territory to them. They compare it to some half ass attempt they did 12 years ago and point to it and say

"See never again. Let's just stay the course, not rock any boats"

Nintendo fans are the Chuckie from Rugrats of the the gaming world. The Arnolds on the Magic School Bus of Life.

It's not a risk if you put your heart and soul into it. The quality will show through, regardless of how outlandish it gets.
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Scottydoesntno posted...

i gave him a simple task. to provide an actual, in-game example.

He elaborated on that and explained it doesn't necessarily mean there's problems with the games. Then he went on to say that that there's room for improvements and I completely agree that there are.

Scottydoesntno posted...

He's refused to do this. Instead, he chooses to troll. You are defending him.

You ran off when he asked you to explain why what he is saying is not that. Instead of having a civil discussion with an actual argument, you started trolling him. Someone who isn't trying to troll or piss people off would actually stick around and several others did and argued with him. You didn't.

He said it doesn't mean the games are bad and yet you're still asking him examples of that. Which proves his point that you can't read or trolling.

Scottydoesntno posted...

And i thought i was hoth? Make up your minds lol

Show me where I called you Hoth. Newsflash, we're not a hivemind.

@SwayM

There's tons of other examples with Nintendo experimenting and it turning out bad. They kind of just throw shit on the wall sometimes and see what sticks.
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archedsoul posted...

You've done nothing but troll him and provided nothing of substance since you left the topic. Don't keep returning if you can't argue anything.

Me and others can see his point, even if some of it is wrong. You've added nothing at all, but that's what you do Rika.

Thank you, but what exactly is wrong?

And lmao, is that really Rika? Explains everything.

That's worse than it being Hoth. No one on this board likes Rika. At least Hoth has some misguided followers.
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Nintendo isn't a perfect company, but the consistently prove that they are top of their class when it comes to taking game mechanics and doing as much as they can with them. It's true that they can become complacent at times, but they also show that they have an impeccable sense for their craft, a sense that very few can claim as often.

SwayM posted...

How many games have you played in your life that you didnt find fun?

Destiny
Superman 64
Sonic '06
Sonic Boom Rise of Lyric
Pokemon Go
StarFox Command
Sonic and the Secret Rings
Spider-Man 3 (Wii version)

I'm damn sure there's a few others that I can't pinpoint right now. And if we take custom level creation into account I've played countless levels that were not fun and/or terribly designed. One specific example that comes to mind is Eye of Horus from Doom 2016, which I actually made a video for on my channel. Enemy spam is not good game design and Eye of Horus had plenty of it. Made the entire level boring.
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SwayM posted...

Nintendo fans get terrified by the idea of them actually "Taking risks" because it's such unfamiliar territory to them. They compare it to some half ass attempt they did 12 years ago and point to it and say

"See never again. Let's just stay the course, not rock any boats

Define taking risk. Because I could tell you what each Zelda did different or attempted and you would pass it off as nothing
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archedsoul posted...

Scottydoesntno posted...

i gave him a simple task. to provide an actual, in-game example.

He elaborated on that and explained it doesn't necessarily mean there's problems with the games. Then he went on to say that that there's room for improvements and I completely agree that there are.

Scottydoesntno posted...

He's refused to do this. Instead, he chooses to troll. You are defending him.

You ran off when he asked you to explain why what he is saying is not that. Instead of having a civil discussion with an actual argument, you started trolling him. Someone who isn't trying to troll or piss people off would actually stick around and several others did and argued with him. You didn't.

He said it doesn't mean the games are bad and yet you're still asking him examples of that. Which proves his point that you can't read or trolling.

Scottydoesntno posted...

And i thought i was hoth? Make up your minds lol

Show me where I called you Hoth. Newsflash, we're not a hivemind.

@SwayM

There's tons of other examples with Nintendo experimenting and it turning out bad. They kind of just throw shit on the wall sometimes and see what sticks.

He said it extends to the company as a whole, then refused to provide any evidence or examples. I gave him the benefit of the doubt too many times. And now ive given you the benefit of the doubt too many times. How hard is it for you people to provide evidence and examples? Too hard evidently.
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Scottydoesntno posted...

He said it extends to the company as a whole, then refused to provide any evidence or examples. I gave him the benefit of the doubt too many times. And now ive given you the benefit of the doubt too many times. How hard is it for you people to provide evidence and examples? Too hard evidently.

He provided plenty of examples and explained why it's not as simple as how you think it is. You ran off instead of bringing valid counterpoints.

If you can't converse with someone civilly, then you are a troll just trying to rile people.

And still, you have yet to respond be to a single point of his other than this obsession on a point that's been addressed.
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I asked a simple question and neither of you answered. That sums up this topic.
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Scottydoesntno posted...

I asked a simple question and neither of you answered. That sums up this topic.

He asked you why it wasn't and you started the whole "you already fucked up, I'm leaving" routine. You never had anything worthwhile to counter with, which is why you still haven't said it.

That sums up your entire existence.
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I have to agree with Scottydoesntno on this one. I would have to go over all the post again to make sure. But I did read a bunch of he first ones again. The question that he(and others) asked was how does being cheap affect the games. The only answer they got was the thing about the charger a couple different times. And the other person saying that the company was cheap. But it is true they never said how it affected the games specifically. Which was the question asked. Maybe he did in a later post, but I dont remember ever seeing it. As I said, I would have to go back to check again, though. But I cant while Im at work...
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LinkPizza posted...

I have to agree with Scottydoesntno on this one. I would have to go over all the post again to make sure. But I did read a bunch of he first ones again. The question that he(and others) asked was how does being cheap affect the games. The only answer they got was the thing about the charger a couple different times. And the other person saying that the company was cheap. But it is true they never said how it affected the games specifically. Which was the question asked. Maybe he did in a later post, but I dont remember ever seeing it. As I said, I would have to go back to check again, though. But I cant while Im at work...

So... You just made this long post without actually double checking what I said?

I explained through several posts that you should go back and read that they're a conservative company that doesn't spend where they don't have to. Things like a weak online infastructure, not including a basic accessory, having to abandon the Wii U, and various other things over the 30 years, are there to illustrate how the company is conservative. The links I posted also go into further detail with these things.

Now, this seems to be the hard part for you guys, so pay attention. The TC is talking about how the games, while having good gameplay, lack in other things. Now, if they're a conservative company that doesn't spend what they don't need to, this would explain the lack of these things. They've found a way to do it without the extra stuff. And that's fine. But that means there is room for improvement because gameplay does not have to be sacrificed for that.

The charger alone is not the argument I'm making, thus there's no list of specific examples to provide. I'm explaining how the company works and why things might be constrained because of that to end up how the TC is seeing it and how a different company philosophy would lead to different outputs.
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LockeMonster posted...

Now, this seems to be the hard part for you guys, so pay attention. The TC is talking about how the games, while having good gameplay, lack in other things. Now, if they're a conservative company that doesn't spend what they don't need to, this would explain the lack of these things. They've found a way to do it without the extra stuff. And that's fine. But that means there is room for improvement because gameplay does not have to be sacrificed for that.

TC isn't complaining about any of this though. His argument is that Nintendo isn't a top developer because they don't have giant scripts and paid actors to do voices. You can claim a poor online holds them back, but how does it hold back Botw or Odyssey? The Nintendo games that require online implementat it about as much as they need to.
As for graphics, yeah the game could look "prettier", but that's barely holding a game back. Do you really look at Botw, Odyssey, or Splatoon and think they need to look better?
Nintendo has weaker hardware but it's usually done for a gimmick which Nintendo then pushes to its limit.
What are examples of Nintendo's "cheapness" holding a game back?
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LockeMonster posted...

LinkPizza posted...

I have to agree with Scottydoesntno on this one. I would have to go over all the post again to make sure. But I did read a bunch of he first ones again. The question that he(and others) asked was how does being cheap affect the games. The only answer they got was the thing about the charger a couple different times. And the other person saying that the company was cheap. But it is true they never said how it affected the games specifically. Which was the question asked. Maybe he did in a later post, but I dont remember ever seeing it. As I said, I would have to go back to check again, though. But I cant while Im at work...

So... You just made this long post without actually double checking what I said?

I explained through several posts that you should go back and read that they're a conservative company that doesn't spend where they don't have to. Things like a weak online infastructure, not including a basic accessory, having to abandon the Wii U, and various other things over the 30 years, are there to illustrate how the company is conservative. The links I posted also go into further detail with these things.

Now, this seems to be the hard part for you guys, so pay attention. The TC is talking about how the games, while having good gameplay, lack in other things. Now, if they're a conservative company that doesn't spend what they don't need to, this would explain the lack of these things. They've found a way to do it without the extra stuff. And that's fine. But that means there is room for improvement because gameplay does not have to be sacrificed for that.

The charger alone is not the argument I'm making, thus there's no list of specific examples to provide. I'm explaining how the company works and why things might be constrained because of that to end up how the TC is seeing it and how a different company philosophy would lead to different outputs.

I said I didnt go back and read everything. But I did say I read some. Also, I actually did read the post the first time through.

Anyway, I remember you talking about them being conservative. And I also remember other people talking about how all companies are conservative is some places and not in others. And its true. I dont think being conservative is some places in automatically being cheap. Its just being safe. Just because I dont buy every game as soon as they come out, Im not cheap. Im making sure I have money for the things I need.

I dont know anything about this charger, but its the one thing you keep mentioning. Its almost like you dont have many other examples, or else you would probably stop using that on every post...

Everybody sees games differently. You can say they lack whatever, but every games lacks something. And that can also change depending on the person. For me, I dont need an intricate story for something like Mario. Just say the bad guy does whatever, and let me go to a bunch of worlds and Mario my way though. As an example. For that, I dont see a huge story making it any better. It has enough...

Having a different company philosophy would basically mean theyre not Nintendo anymore. And people like their games. And they make good games. If you dont like them, dont play them. They make great games. And are pretty much top tier. It doesnt mean theyre the very best, though a good number of people will say they are. Every company does things different. Which is better that way. More variety in games. I dont need Nintendo to try to make Zelda and Mario look more realistic or to add super deep stories. Zelda can have a deep story, but I just play it for the gameplay. Also, they might not be as conservative as you think. They add and change stuff for sequels quite often. Like how Uncharted changed a little with each new entry, they do the same for their sequels.
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Nintendo is like the Apple of games.

CM_Ponch posted...

TC isn't complaining about any of this though. His argument is that Nintendo isn't a top developer because they don't have giant scripts and paid actors to do voices.

That and the other things is exactly what I'm talking about.

CM_Ponch posted...

You can claim a poor online holds them back, but how does it hold back Botw or Odyssey? The Nintendo games that require online implementat it about as much as they need to.

Obviously not every game depends on online, so it's not referring to every game.

Also, while Odyssey is perfectly fine, there's tons of things that BotW could have used like good dungeon and boss designs and story, especially in such a grand experience. Everything else could have remained and if the things I mentioned were added properly, it would only make it better.

CM_Ponch posted...

As for graphics, yeah the game could look "prettier", but that's barely holding a game back

Room for improvement =/= holding back.

CM_Ponch posted...

Do you really look at Botw, Odyssey, or Splatoon and think they need to look better?

With BotW, yes. There's lots of issues of fuzziness and other things in the game and improved graphics would only help, not hinder.

CM_Ponch posted...

Nintendo has weaker hardware but it's usually done for a gimmick which Nintendo then pushes to its limit.

Yes, I touched on this point before. Not every game necessarily has to meet all the things I've mentioned.

CM_Ponch posted...

What are examples of Nintendo's "cheapness" holding a game back?

We're not talking being held back, which explains why you guys sound so anal over this. It would only help. It's not being held back. It's simply leaving room for improvement.
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LinkPizza posted...

I said I didnt go back and read everything. But I did say I read some. Also, I actually did read the post the first time through.

You should read everything then.

LinkPizza posted...

Anyway, I remember you talking about them being conservative. And I also remember other people talking about how all companies are conservative is some places and not in others. And its true. I dont think being conservative is some places in automatically being cheap. Its just being safe. Just because I dont buy every game as soon as they come out, Im not cheap. Im making sure I have money for the things I need.

Yes, that is why I changed it from cheap to conservative to better reflect what they do. Nonetheless, not including a charger is a cheap action when the system is $200 and the charger costs them $2 make. Almost all other companies include the required accessory.

LinkPizza posted...

I dont know anything about this charger, but its the one thing you keep mentioning. Its almost like you dont have many other examples, or else you would probably stop using that on every post...

This is why you should read everything. I am not bringing up the charger again and again. The other guy keeps bringing it up and I'm responding to it.

LinkPizza posted...

Everybody sees games differently. You can say they lack whatever, but every games lacks something. And that can also change depending on the person. For me, I dont need an intricate story for something like Mario. Just say the bad guy does whatever, and let me go to a bunch of worlds and Mario my way though. As an example. For that, I dont see a huge story making it any better. It has enough...

Ok, that's good for you. And likewise, there's others that would appreciate it, especially if Nintendo can do it right.

LinkPizza posted...

Having a different company philosophy would basically mean theyre not Nintendo anymore.

Changing how Nintendo does business would not make them some other company. Companies restructure and change philosophies all the time and work towards improvement from there.

LinkPizza posted...

And people like their games

Who said they don't?

LinkPizza posted...

If you dont like them, dont play them. They make great games. And are pretty much top tier. It doesnt mean theyre the very best, though a good number of people will say they are. Every company does things different. Which is better that way. More variety in games. I dont need Nintendo to try to make Zelda and Mario look more realistic or to add super deep stories. Zelda can have a deep story, but I just play it for the gameplay. Also, they might not be as conservative as you think. They add and change stuff for sequels quite often. Like how Uncharted changed a little with each new entry, they do the same for their sequels.

I can't take you seriously after the whole "don't like em, don't play em" bit. That is such a childish and fanboyish way to look at things. And I'm actually a huge fan.

I want things to get better. Not stay the same. The rest of your post is just the flawed view that fanboys have when discussing these topics. Hence why everyone is so defensive over this.
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As I said, I did read everything. I said I couldnt re-read everything since Im at work. Its almost like you didnt read what I said.
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LinkPizza posted...

As I said, I did read everything. I said I couldnt re-read everything since Im at work. Its almost like you didnt read what I said.

No, I'm saying if you only re-read some and are telling me how you might be getting things wrong, then you should actually re-read all of it.
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@Scottydoesntno posted...

Developers I consider top tier:

Atlus
Platinum
Square soft
Blizzard
Nintendo

come at me

propose an addendum there?

SCREW se, esp past FFXII era, the cash grabbyness of FFXIV and FFXV can piss off.
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SwayM posted...

This is also important to bring up:

Nintendo is a household name and has more beloved franchises under their belts than any other company. I think most sane people would agree with this, no?

Their model for selling their franchises is:

1) Maybe we'll put out a new one this year. It'll be safe and familiar, people will eat it up.

2) We will put out a very small selection of classic games on our godawful store. We wont even begin to compete with piracy, there'll be zero benefit, just overpay us for these games that will only work on the console you bought them on, thanks.

3) We'll release a retro console. It'll be a great idea, pretty bare bones though. Only come with 30 games and you'll never be able to buy one because we'll only manufacture 3 units for the entire world.

Nintendo is literally sitting on a MOTHERFUCKING GOLD MINE, and they show time and time again they absolutely have no idea what they're doing. How many companies would give their left nut to be at the helm and have all that potential revenue at your disposal.

Total pipe dream, but I just imagine what a company like Valve/steam could do with access to the Nintendo library as an example. It really is a shame fans have to put up with this level of incompetence...put up with isn't even right, people celebrate this shit.

nintendo is usually babbies first console and they grow emotionally attached to the brand
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LockeMonster posted...

We're not talking being held back, which explains why you guys sound so anal over this. It would only help. It's not being held back. It's simply leaving room for improvement.

I see
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You say other would probably appreciate a better story is Mario, but based on the boards, and comment on YouTube, or people talking to the ones that stream it, or whatever, they are probably the minority. And the majority like it the way it is. And most companies are usually going to go with the majority...

Companies change a little here and there. From the way you talk about them, it sounds like you want them to change almost everything about their philosophy.

As for the, dont like it, dont play it, it true. People actually dont play games if they dont like it. There are people who dont play games just because a certain company makes it. I dont really care if you wanna take me seriously. This is just a message board. I just wanted to say I agreed with the other guy. Especially since he asked you a specific question. And you gave other answers that didnt answer the specific question he asked. If you did, it was in the first bunch of post... You act like you want them to get better, but you just want them to do things that make it better for you and probably a small monority or people.
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archedsoul posted...

Scottydoesntno posted...

I asked a simple question and neither of you answered. That sums up this topic.

He asked you why it wasn't and you started the whole "you already fucked up, I'm leaving" routine. You never had anything worthwhile to counter with, which is why you still haven't said it.

That sums up your entire existence.

In case it wasnt clear enough, i asked you to provide in-game examples of how nintendo "cheaps out", how the industry is wrong and how their GOTY contenders/winners wernt actually any good. You both responded with some shitty "they dont imclude chargers with their new 3ds and that means their entire company is shit, maaaan" garbage. You both have displayed you are incapable of constructing a valid argument. You can flame me all you want. You can try to dodge all you want. The fact of the matter is you havent and cannot provide an actual argument in support of your claims nor to counter my post. That sums you up. "Nintendo is not a top tier developer, not by a long shot" hasnt even remotely been demonstrated itt. Not by a long shot.
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Scottydoesntno posted...

In case it wasnt clear enough, i asked you to provide in-game examples of how nintendo "cheaps out", how the industry is wrong and how their GOTY contenders/winners wernt actually any good

I wasn't arguing this smart guy. And no where did Locke say the games weren't any good. If you can't understand that simple point, then you're a lost cause.

Scottydoesntno posted...

You both responded with some shitty "they dont imclude chargers with their new 3ds and that means their entire company is shit, maaaan" garbage. You both have displayed you are incapable of constructing a valid argument

I never said a single thing about the charger. Learn to read and try again.

Scottydoesntno posted...

You can flame me all you want. You can try to dodge all you want. The fact of the matter is you havent and cannot provide an actual argument in support of your claims nor to counter my post. That sums you up. "Nintendo is not a top tier developer, not by a long shot" hasnt even remotely been demonstrated itt. Not by a long shot.

I'm not dodging anything. If you can't argue and have to run off and start playing the "you fucked up dude" routine, then you never had anything to say, otherwise you'd go back to the post where you started acting like a kid and respond to him properly.
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We arent talking about other aspects of the company. We are talking about whether or not they are a "top tier developer", which is strictly their games.
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LinkPizza posted...

You say other would probably appreciate a better story is Mario, but based on the boards, and comment on YouTube, or people talking to the ones that stream it, or whatever, they are probably the minority. And the majority like it the way it is. And most companies are usually going to go with the majority...

I never said anything about Mario and I already expressed that not everything has to have all the things mentioned in this topic. You guys are way to quick to jump to conclusions and conflate things.

LinkPizza posted...

Companies change a little here and there. From the way you talk about them, it sounds like you want them to change almost everything about their philosophy.

Not what I'm saying it all... Like, are you guys trolling me or is comprehension this much of an issue in 2018?

LinkPizza posted...

As for the, dont like it, dont play it, it true. People actually dont play games if they dont like it. There are people who dont play games just because a certain company makes it.

Sigh... It's like you're reading what you want to and getting angry over a strawman.

LinkPizza posted...

I just wanted to say I agreed with the other guy. Especially since he asked you a specific question. And you gave other answers that didnt answer the specific question he asked. If you did, it was in the first bunch of post...

If everything I've said isn't enough, then I'm sorry, you suck at comprehension.

LinkPizza posted...

You act like you want them to get better, but you just want them to do things that make it better for you and probably a small monority or people.

If you're gonna throw around majority/minority stuff, you better back it up with statistics. And no, YouTube comments don't count.
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Freddie_Mercury posted...

>nintendo creates some of the biggest franchises in gaming and pretty much carried the industry for two gens
>above average
>cdpr makes one 8/10 game and gives away some dlc they took out of the main game for free
>top tier

This is a bad opinion. You just have realllllly poor taste in games to think this.
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So Locke, I agree with you that there's room for improvement. But why does that keep Nintendo from being a "top tier" developer when it applies to every other developer?
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Since I used Mario as an example, I thought we were going to continue with that.

You sure are quick to jump in with the trolling comment. All I said was thats what it sounds like from the things ounwerr saying.

I dont see how you would think Im getting angry. And if you would think I was getting angry over something, I dont really see why you would choose that part of the post...

My reading is fine. If you said the answer, then can you please quote the answer to the specific question of how them being conservative has affect a game by them. Like a specific game and how being conservative has made it worse.

Youre right that I dont have statistics. And Nintendo might not. But it probably wouldnt be uncommon for them to use social media to see how people like or dislike a game. You can use social media regularly or even check polls that random people(or Nintendo themselves) put up. But it is true that I dont have statistics. Though it would be weird if they did the opposite of what most fans want.
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It's not easy to make a fun game at all. Especially something that's 3D.

If I were to think of top tier developers I think I'd go with;
- Nintendo EAD (or whoever they are now)
- Blizzard
- CDProjektRED
- Bethesda Game Studios
- Rockstar Games
- Santa Monica Studios
- Naughty Dog
- Retro Studios
- Playground Games
- Rocksteady
- PlatinumGames
- P-Studio

I'm missing a few. I think I'd even add Ubisoft at this point considering their output and fans. If Capcom nails RE2 Remake and DMC5 I'd add them too. There's also a whole bunch of niche developers who are fantastic at serving their specific audience.

These studios all have room to improve. I don't think that means you're not a top tier game developer. I'm not sure how you could exclude Nintendo from a list like this.
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LinkPizza posted...

Since I used Mario as an example, I thought we were going to continue with that.

We're talking about all their games, not just Mario. Picking Mario and saying "voice actors wouldn't work, see" is playing dumb and nitpicking.

LinkPizza posted...

You sure are quick to jump in with the trolling comment. All I said was thats what it sounds like from the things ounwerr saying.

I dont see how you would think Im getting angry. And if you would think I was getting angry over something, I dont really see why you would choose that part of the post...

Because your entire response itt sounds emotional to the tee of "I like Nintendo and it doesn't seem like you do, so fuck you. Stop talking bad about them."

You've made up a bunch of strawmen and accused me of having those views, when that's not reality at all. Hence why I'm telling you that your comprehension sucks and you're thinking with your emotions by not understanding my posts.

LinkPizza posted...

My reading is fine. If you said the answer, then can you please quote the answer to the specific question of how them being conservative has affect a game by them. Like a specific game and how being conservative has made it worse.

I just spent the past page explaining this in detail. Please read all my posts again. I specifically even addressed that some specific list won't address the question because it's not about holding back. It's about improvements.

LinkPizza posted...

Youre right that I dont have statistics. And Nintendo might not. But it probably wouldnt be uncommon for them to use social media to see how people like or dislike a game. You can use social media regularly or even check polls that random people(or Nintendo themselves) put up. But it is true that I dont have statistics. Though it would be weird if they did the opposite of what most fans want.

None of that is relevant. If you don't have statistics, why are you making them up? Have you done a full report? Just stop.
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Lmao, I know TC trolling, but holy fuck, some of you sound like Nintendo is your fucking dad.
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Then what games would you like to see with more voice acting?

I dont know how it sounds emotional, but ok. I dont see how Im making up strawmen, though.

And Im not trying to just make up statistics. But I do pay attention to social media and what people say. Obviously, I cant see everyone. But you can see a lot of people and the things they mention. Good and bad. But whatever...

There were more than a few people who asked the question after you answered it. I dont think its everyone elses reading comprehension... Just saying...
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LinkPizza posted...

Then what games would you like to see with more voice acting?

Voice acting is not the only thing I discussed.

LinkPizza posted...

I dont know how it sounds emotional, but ok. I dont see how Im making up strawmen, though.

Because you accused me of wanting to change the company completely or that I must not like it, so I shouldn't play it and other nonsense. As if wanting more is wrong or taboo.

If you were arguing rationally, you wouldn't conflate random things.

LinkPizza posted...

And Im not trying to just make up statistics. But I do pay attention to social media and what people say. Obviously, I cant see everyone. But you can see a lot of people and the things they mention. Good and bad. But whatever...

Again, irrelevant. I don't know what you pay attention to or don't, so anecdotes are meaningless. And going by your not so excellent attention skills itt, it doesn't mean much. This isn't rocket science. You either have them or you don't.

LinkPizza posted...

There were more than a few people who asked the question after you answered it. I dont think its everyone elses reading comprehension... Just saying...

And I literally responded to every person that asked me and kept providing more and more details. If things aren't clear by now, then I do question your comprehension.
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Actually, when i was asking that first question, it was an actual question...

I said that it sounded like you wanted to change the company philosophy. Also, since that actually was a part of the conversation, I believe that is not how a straw man works... I also ever said wanting more was wrong... And Im having a rational conversation. Youre the one pretending Im not. Also, everything Ive been talking about actually does go with the conversation. I dont know what you mean by random things. But, whatever.

And it still has nothing to do with our comprehension. I think its that you never actually have a full answer. Thats all they were asking. But they never got one from you. They just wanted an answer.
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LinkPizza posted...

Actually, when i was asking that first question, it was an actual question...

I said that it sounded like you wanted to change the company philosophy.

LinkPizza posted...

From the way you talk about them, it sounds like you want them to change almost everything about their philosophy.

This is not a question, and the was just one example I picked out.

LinkPizza posted...

Also, since that actually was a part of the conversation, I believe that is not how a straw man works... I also ever said wanting more was wrong... And Im having a rational conversation. Youre the one pretending Im not. Also, everything Ive been talking about actually does go with the conversation. I dont know what you mean by random things. But, whatever.

You're not though. You keep coming at me acting like you're actually arguing something or making headway on a point when it's just you repeating a 3rd grade understanding of things. Making up statistics with no proof or anything and saying "you've seen things" like that fucking means anything. That's not rational.

LinkPizza posted...

And it still has nothing to do with our comprehension. I think its that you never actually have a full answer. Thats all they were asking. But they never got one from you. They just wanted an answer.

Again, if you were paying attention, you'd see that I directly answered this. If the point is improvements, then there's nothing to list. Each game out now can benefit from an increased focus on even one of the applicable things. Unless you're literally saying Nintendo games are perfect in those regards or something.

The argument is not that it affects the games negatively. So I can't show you that because that's not what I'm saying.
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LockeMonster posted...

Again, if you were paying attention, you'd see that I directly answered this. If the point is improvements, then there's nothing to list. Each game out now can benefit from an increased focus on even one of the applicable things. Unless you're literally saying Nintendo games are perfect in those regards or something.

Isn't this something you can say about every single game out there?
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LockeMonster posted...

This is not a question, and the was just one example I picked out.

LinkPizza posted...

Then what games would you like to see with more voice acting?

Seems like a question...

And now youre just trying to insult me? Honestly, that kind of childish.

For the last thing, I never said their games were perfect. But no game is. Literally no game is perfect.
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LinkPizza posted...

Seems like a question...

I didn't know you were referring to that. The reason I didn't answer that was because I don't get how what I want VA in is relevant when I'm talking about more than VA. So I said I'm talking about several things.

LinkPizza posted...

And now youre just trying to insult me? Honestly, that kind of childish

I'm sorry if stating what I'm literally seeing unfolding in front of me is insulting to you.

LinkPizza posted...

For the last thing, I never said their games were perfect. But no game is. Literally no game is perfect.

I'm glad you understand this and hopefully you can put two and two together now.
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LockeMonster posted...

I'm glad you understand this and hopefully you can put two and two together now.

Explain it like I'm five because U don't get it.
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