Poll of the Day > 2 XBOX One Gamers plead NOT GUILTY to SWATTING that led to a Man KILLED!!!

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2 Online Gamers whose dispute over a 1.50 Call Of Duty WW2 Video Game Bet on XBOX One have plead NOT GUILTY after they led police to fatally shoot a Kansas Man in a "Swatting" case that drew national attention!!

18 y/o Hillbillies Casey Viner from Ohio and 19 y/o Shane Gaskill from Kansas are charged with conspiracy to obstruct justice, wire fraud and other counts!!

Casey was furious with Shane while playing the popular game where then asked 25 y/o Tyler Bariss from Los Angeles to "swat" him at an address that Shane had given him.

Swatting is a form of retaliation sometimes used by gamers who call police and make a false report to send first responders to an online opponent's address

Tyler called the police from L.A on Dec. 28 to report a shooting and kidnapping at a Wichita address which he believed to be that of Shane's.

When police showed up to assume a crime was occuring, an officer shot 28 y/o single father, Andrew Finch after he OPENED THE DOOR!!

The person who called said that the man in the home shot his father in the head and was holding his mom and little brother hostage in a closet..

Andrew was not the intended target and Tyler admitted he made the call as he often made swatting phone calls for attention. He said he researched the address first to verify it was a real home.

When Shane noticed Tyler was following him on twitter, he communicated with Tyler through DM's in which he also gave him the same fake address he gave Casey and DARED him by writing "Pleaes try some s***. I'll be waiting"

Both teens were not arrested but were issued a summoning to appear in court as they remain free on 10,000 bond each and ordered to find a JOB and to NOT play online video games or have contact with witnesses

Their demeanor was a far cry from the bravado of comments they made on an imessage sent from Casey's phone that said "I was involved in someone's death..i got pissed off at him, he got pissed at me..he gave me his address and said pull up an di said i won't be the one pulling you up, you're getting swatted."

Both will live with their parents pending trial as they will also not be able to use firearms or have them in the home except for Casey's Dad who is a COP!!

The most serious charge of making a hoax call carries a life sentence because it resulted in death

Tyler is charged with involuntary manslaughter and giving false alarm and interference with a law enforcement officer whose court date is June 28th

Do you think swatting should be a prison offense?

Casey - Cletus

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/1/2018/06/13/23/wire-3288244-1528927628-337_634x409.jpg

Shane - Oompa Loompa

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/1/2018/06/13/23/wire-3288242-1528927626-613_634x436.jpg

Tyler - Goomba

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/newpix/2018/06/14/17/4D3C27B000000578-5840667-image-a-70_1528992715389.jpg

Andrew - Deceased

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/newpix/2018/06/14/19/4D3C2EEC00000578-5840667-Andrew_Finch_28_was_the_unarmed_single_father_pictured_with_his_-a-58_1528999758077.jpg

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/newpix/2018/06/14/19/4D3C26E500000578-5840667-Mr_Finch_died_in_a_tragic_swatting_hoax_call_that_led_police_to_-a-57_1528999758076.jpg
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It should absolutely be a prison offense. Especially knowing how trigger happy some police can be, you're making a massive gamble with someone else's life just because your e-peen can't take a hit.
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They're all scrawny nolives, most likely male feminists, go figure
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Should be death penalty.
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Keebs05 posted...

It should absolutely be a prison offense. Especially knowing how trigger happy some police can be, you're making a massive gamble with someone else's life just because your e-peen can't take a hit.

That's like saying pissing off a drug dealer should get you hit with attempted murder against yourself because the dealer is trigger happy. They were definitely wrong, but they're not responsible for a police officer being irresponsible with people's lives.
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

Keebs05 posted...

It should absolutely be a prison offense. Especially knowing how trigger happy some police can be, you're making a massive gamble with someone else's life just because your e-peen can't take a hit.

That's like saying pissing off a drug dealer should get you hit with attempted murder against yourself because the dealer is trigger happy. They were definitely wrong, but they're not responsible for a police officer being irresponsible with people's lives.

Considering that the police officer is there solely because of the person calling, they are responsible.
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Keebs05 posted...

Kyuubi4269 posted...

Keebs05 posted...

It should absolutely be a prison offense. Especially knowing how trigger happy some police can be, you're making a massive gamble with someone else's life just because your e-peen can't take a hit.

That's like saying pissing off a drug dealer should get you hit with attempted murder against yourself because the dealer is trigger happy. They were definitely wrong, but they're not responsible for a police officer being irresponsible with people's lives.

Considering that the police officer is there solely because of the person calling, they are responsible.

Not only that, but giving the police a horrible tip like saying the person has hostages and is armed and dangerous. Then you have the fact that your distracting the police who need yo do their fuckin job and you probably just killed another person who the police should have been responding too instead off ypur little fuckin prank. These people need to go to prison and be charged for any wrong doing the cops do.
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Ideally:

Shane: Egged on the swatting and sought to cover it up after the fact
5 years in prison

Casey: Effectively put a "hit" on someone
10 years in prison

Tyler: Directly responsible for Andrew's death; has a LONG history of swatting and making bomb threats
Life in prison, only b/c death penalty is off the table

The douchebag unidentified cop who immediately opened fire on an unarmed innocent man: Life in prison

I wouldn't be at all upset if all 4 got sent before a firing squad tomorrow, though. Fuck all of them.

streamofthesky posted...

Ideally:

Shane: Egged on the swatting and sought to cover it up after the fact
5 years in prison

Casey: Effectively put a "hit" on someone
10 years in prison

Tyler: Directly responsible for Andrew's death; has a LONG history of swatting and making bomb threats
Life in prison, only b/c death penalty is off the table

The douchebag unidentified cop who immediately opened fire on an unarmed innocent man: Life in prison

I wouldn't be at all upset if all 4 got sent before a firing squad tomorrow, though. Fuck all of them.

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Full Throttle posted...

charged with conspiracy to obstruct justice, wire fraud and other counts!!

I was looking for the article to explain these charges. I'm disappointed.

Full Throttle posted...

and ordered to find a JOB

Is the judge also going to order a better economy?

Full Throttle posted...

Both will live with their parents pending trial as they will also not be able to use firearms

How does not being able to use firearms result in them living with their parents?
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SKARDAVNELNATE posted...

Full Throttle posted...

charged with conspiracy to obstruct justice, wire fraud and other counts!!

I was looking for the article to explain these charges. I'm disappointed.

Full Throttle posted...

and ordered to find a JOB

Is the judge also going to order a better economy?

Full Throttle posted...

Both will live with their parents pending trial as they will also not be able to use firearms

How does not being able to use firearms result in them living with their parents?

It's almost as if rian Johnson wrote full throttles script.
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Keebs05 posted...

Kyuubi4269 posted...

Keebs05 posted...

It should absolutely be a prison offense. Especially knowing how trigger happy some police can be, you're making a massive gamble with someone else's life just because your e-peen can't take a hit.

That's like saying pissing off a drug dealer should get you hit with attempted murder against yourself because the dealer is trigger happy. They were definitely wrong, but they're not responsible for a police officer being irresponsible with people's lives.

Considering that the police officer is there solely because of the person calling, they are responsible.

Oh so if a drug dealer is only in front of me because I approached him, any wrong doing on his part is legally mine?

yutterh posted...

Not only that, but giving the police a horrible tip like saying the person has hostages and is armed and dangerous. Then you have the fact that your distracting the police who need yo do their fuckin job and you probably just killed another person who the police should have been responding too instead off ypur little fuckin prank. These people need to go to prison and be charged for any wrong doing the cops do.

In a hostage situation they need to be less trigger happy, not more. In a hostage situation, he risked shooting a hostage and scaring the hostage-taker in to killing the rest. The officer was criminally negligent in a delicate situation.
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

Keebs05 posted...

Kyuubi4269 posted...

Keebs05 posted...

It should absolutely be a prison offense. Especially knowing how trigger happy some police can be, you're making a massive gamble with someone else's life just because your e-peen can't take a hit.

That's like saying pissing off a drug dealer should get you hit with attempted murder against yourself because the dealer is trigger happy. They were definitely wrong, but they're not responsible for a police officer being irresponsible with people's lives.

Considering that the police officer is there solely because of the person calling, they are responsible.

Oh so if a drug dealer is only in front of me because I approached him, any wrong doing on his part is legally mine?

yutterh posted...

Not only that, but giving the police a horrible tip like saying the person has hostages and is armed and dangerous. Then you have the fact that your distracting the police who need yo do their fuckin job and you probably just killed another person who the police should have been responding too instead off ypur little fuckin prank. These people need to go to prison and be charged for any wrong doing the cops do.

In a hostage situation they need to be less trigger happy, not more. In a hostage situation, he risked shooting a hostage and scaring the hostage-taker in to killing the rest. The officer was criminally negligent in a delicate situation.

That's very very true as well. Cops did fuck up as well, like did they really think the hostage taker would answer the door casually? It makes no sense, but the cop shouldn't have been put into that position in the first place. So anything the cop should have gotten, needs to be placed on all three of those fuckers.
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

Keebs05 posted...

Kyuubi4269 posted...

Keebs05 posted...

It should absolutely be a prison offense. Especially knowing how trigger happy some police can be, you're making a massive gamble with someone else's life just because your e-peen can't take a hit.

That's like saying pissing off a drug dealer should get you hit with attempted murder against yourself because the dealer is trigger happy. They were definitely wrong, but they're not responsible for a police officer being irresponsible with people's lives.

Considering that the police officer is there solely because of the person calling, they are responsible.

Oh so if a drug dealer is only in front of me because I approached him, any wrong doing on his part is legally mine?

yutterh posted...

Not only that, but giving the police a horrible tip like saying the person has hostages and is armed and dangerous. Then you have the fact that your distracting the police who need yo do their fuckin job and you probably just killed another person who the police should have been responding too instead off ypur little fuckin prank. These people need to go to prison and be charged for any wrong doing the cops do.

In a hostage situation they need to be less trigger happy, not more. In a hostage situation, he risked shooting a hostage and scaring the hostage-taker in to killing the rest. The officer was criminally negligent in a delicate situation.

What exactly are you having difficulty with? Involuntary manslaughter is "the unintentional killing that results from recklessness or criminal negligence, or from an unlawful act that is a misdemeanor or low-level felony."

Calling the police to report a murder and fake hostage situation = reckless, negligent and unlawful act
Andrew Finch = dead as a result of reckless, negligent and unlawful act
Death + reckless, negligent and unlawful act = involuntary manslaughter

How you can see that the officer was criminally negligent but can't grasp how the two kids are also responsible is mind boggling.
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SKARDAVNELNATE posted...

Full Throttle posted...

charged with conspiracy to obstruct justice, wire fraud and other counts!!

I was looking for the article to explain these charges. I'm disappointed.

Well, the conspiracy to obstruct justice was from trying to delete all the online interactions leading up to the swatting, knowing they'd be evidence against the scumbags involved.
Not sure what the wire fraud is for. Maybe how Tyler was paid?

Keebs05 posted...

What exactly are you having difficulty with? Involuntary manslaughter is "the unintentional killing that results from recklessness or criminal negligence, or from an unlawful act that is a misdemeanor or low-level felony."

Calling the police to report a murder and fake hostage situation = reckless, negligent and unlawful act
Andrew Finch = dead as a result of reckless, negligent and unlawful act
Death + reckless, negligent and unlawful act = involuntary manslaughter

Andrew is dead because of an unlawful act on the part of the officer.

If you slip and accidentally push somebody and they get hurt, you are responsible for them being harmed. If in response that person turns around, pulls out a gun and shoots at the first person they see (who isn't you), you are not responsible for the shooting.
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SKARDAVNELNATE posted...

Full Throttle posted...

charged with conspiracy to obstruct justice, wire fraud and other counts!!

I was looking for the article to explain these charges. I'm disappointed.

Full Throttle posted...

and ordered to find a JOB

Is the judge also going to order a better economy?

Full Throttle posted...

Both will live with their parents pending trial as they will also not be able to use firearms

How does not being able to use firearms result in them living with their parents?

I feel it might have been nice to explain the charges. I think the judge just doesn't want them sitting around and doing nothing. Might as well order them to do something productive, I guess... As for the guns, there's a few things. Maybe it was worded weird and meant to say that they would have to live with their parents and also not own any guns. Which would make sense since they are on bond. Or maybe people are trying to kill them and they can have guns to protect themselves, so they have to live with their parents. That is much less likely. I believe it's what I said at first.
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

Andrew is dead because of an unlawful act on the part of the officer.

If you slip and accidentally push somebody and they get hurt, you are responsible for them being harmed. If in response that person turns around, pulls out a gun and shoots at the first person they see (who isn't you), you are not responsible for the shooting.

Man, you love your completely unrelated and dissimilar scenarios.

The officer was there solely because of the phone call. A reasonable person would've known that they're creating, at best, an extremely volatile situation.

If you call your drug dealer, you don't expect anyone to get shot. You expect to score a dimebag.
If you accidentally slip and push someone, you don't expect anyone to get shot. You expect to be responsible for their injury.
If you call the police to report a MURDER and HOSTAGE SITUATION, it's a reasonable expectation that someone will get hurt or killed.
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

Keebs05 posted...

What exactly are you having difficulty with? Involuntary manslaughter is "the unintentional killing that results from recklessness or criminal negligence, or from an unlawful act that is a misdemeanor or low-level felony."

Calling the police to report a murder and fake hostage situation = reckless, negligent and unlawful act
Andrew Finch = dead as a result of reckless, negligent and unlawful act
Death + reckless, negligent and unlawful act = involuntary manslaughter

Andrew is dead because of an unlawful act on the part of the officer.

If you slip and accidentally push somebody and they get hurt, you are responsible for them being harmed. If in response that person turns around, pulls out a gun and shoots at the first person they see (who isn't you), you are not responsible for the shooting.

I believe the cop is in the wrong, but so are the kids. I feel they should all be charged the same. They are still responsible. I mean, they were basically trying to get someone killed...
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So Casey gave Tyler an address that Tyler thought was Shanes but instead was Andrews?

How'd Tyler not get charged?
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JixHedgehog posted...

So Casey gave Tyler an address that Tyler thought was Shanes but instead was Andrews?

How'd Tyler not get charged?

Maybe he got a deal or is an informant... JK. IDK. He probably should be, though...
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JixHedgehog posted...

So Casey gave Tyler an address that Tyler thought was Shanes but instead was Andrews?

How'd Tyler not get charged?

He is, and unlike the other two, he isn't out on bail currently.
So at least there's that.
He was charged months ago, these two being charged is new. And welcomed. Now if only the officer would face justice, too...

Get rid of the cop that shot him too.
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Keebs05 posted...

Man, you love your completely unrelated and dissimilar scenarios.

The officer was there solely because of the phone call. A reasonable person would've known that they're creating, at best, an extremely volatile situation.

A situation that should not escalate as nobody is hostile. You don't shoot suspects, you shoot to stop imminent danger.

The swatters knew that imminent danger would not be presented so knew the police would have no basis to shoot. They did not, and chose to make the shot regardless. Swatters are guilty of hoax, police are guilty of murder.

LinkPizza posted...

I mean, they were basically trying to get someone killed...

Calling the police is never to get people killed unless the police are supposed to kill the suspect (which they aren't).

Everybody is guilty of wrong doing, but only one person shot an innocent person without provocation.
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

Keebs05 posted...

Man, you love your completely unrelated and dissimilar scenarios.

The officer was there solely because of the phone call. A reasonable person would've known that they're creating, at best, an extremely volatile situation.

A situation that should not escalate as nobody is hostile. You don't shoot suspects, you shoot to stop imminent danger.

The swatters knew that imminent danger would not be presented so knew the police would have no basis to shoot. They did not, and chose to make the shot regardless. Swatters are guilty of hoax, police are guilty of murder.

LinkPizza posted...

I mean, they were basically trying to get someone killed...

Calling the police is never to get people killed unless the police are supposed to kill the suspect (which they aren't).

Everybody is guilty of wrong doing, but only one person shot an innocent person without provocation.

Yea by they are responsible for putting the police in that position. They amped them up and got then to go to an emergency call. Yeah they are supposed to check for that shit but they were in a hurry to rescue the hostage and atopnthia mad gunmen. Yeah they fucked up royally but they were put into that position. The people that put hem in that position are responsible for everything that happens, end of story.
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Xbox gamers are scum.

JanwayDaahl posted...

They're all scrawny nolives, most likely male feminists, go figure

VeeVees posted...

Should be death penalty.

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Kyuubi4269 posted...

Keebs05 posted...

Man, you love your completely unrelated and dissimilar scenarios.

The officer was there solely because of the phone call. A reasonable person would've known that they're creating, at best, an extremely volatile situation.

A situation that should not escalate as nobody is hostile. You don't shoot suspects, you shoot to stop imminent danger.

The swatters knew that imminent danger would not be presented so knew the police would have no basis to shoot. They did not, and chose to make the shot regardless. Swatters are guilty of hoax, police are guilty of murder.

Hoax that led to a death. Involuntary manslaughter.
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yutterh posted...

The people that put hem in that position are responsible for everything that happens, end of story.

Nope. They're responsible for getting them there in the first place. The cop who shot him is responsible for shooting him.
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Abso-fucking-lutely. Fry these immature bastards.
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Keebs05 posted...

How you can see that the officer was criminally negligent but can't grasp how the two kids are also responsible is mind boggling.

Because Kyuubi's had a major hard-on for hating police recently. The cop should not have been so trigger-happy, but that doesn't absolve the others of their guilt in this death. Crucify the lot of them as an example to any other idiotic assholes who might try this again.
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Keebs05 posted...

Hoax that led to a death. Involuntary manslaughter.

That's not how it works. They are responsible for what they directly cause. If I told you somebody was stalking you and later that night you were so hyped up and nervous you knocked out a person behind you, I would not be responsible for you acting unreasonably. If it applies to every indirect cause, then if the swatting didn't lead to death but the gunman went home full of pent up andrenaline and testosterone and beat his wife, logically the swatters would be responsible for domestic abuse too. You can't blame people for indirect causes.

adjl posted...

Because Kyuubi's had a major hard-on for hating police recently.

I simply don't like irrational, emotionally-driven pleas that don't attach to reality.

adjl posted...

The cop should not have been so trigger-happy, but that doesn't absolve the others of their guilt in this death. Crucify the lot of them as an example to any other idiotic assholes who might try this again.

They're guilty of a lot, but the cop is the one who acted outside what he was legally allowed to do without encouragement to do so.
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

They're guilty of a lot, but the cop is the one who acted outside what he was legally allowed to do without encouragement to do so.

They are also guilty of acting outside what they are legally allowed to do without encouragement to do so. If anything, the cop is the only one who has any chance of justifying his actions, given the only information his team had to work with. That doesn't necessarily make his actions justified, but even if not, he just made a mistake. The others very deliberately endangered this man's life for no reason. Ergo, crucify them.
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Revelation34 posted...

yutterh posted...

The people that put hem in that position are responsible for everything that happens, end of story.

Nope. They're responsible for getting them there in the first place. The cop who shot him is responsible for shooting him.

It is exactly the same thing as if someone called fire in a building and people died from various reasons. The person who called fire is responsible for causing the panic. Not to mention they called cops, so they can't even be in another area doing actual police work. I know police are painted with a bad image, but most of them do their job. We don't know the background of these cops, we don't know some of the shit they seen. When you respond to some crazy shit like this, I am sure they seen the worst. So him popping in ready to fire could have been some PTSD of not saving the person the last time, maybe a rookie got nervous, maybe the dude is just a dirt bag. Either way, they shouldn't have been there. Not saying the cops shouldn't also get reprimanded but they deserve it just as much or worse. This should be equal to those people that go to prison for years because they were outside while their buddy did a BNE and killed the family. Same shit should apply to this group of fuckers.

edit: Found what they should be charged with

https://criminal.findlaw.com/criminal-law-basics/what-is-complicity-or-accomplice-liability.html

Elements of Accomplice Liability
A crime was committed by another individual;
The defendant "aided, counseled, commanded, or encouraged" the other person in the commission of the crime.
The defendant acted with the requisite mental state in their jurisdiction,for example, knowingly or purposefully, to assist in the crime (see Mens Rea - A Defendant's Mental State).
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Hell yes Swatting should be something you spend time in Prison for. This it NOT a game. This isn't the Internet. We're talking about REAL life cops with VERY real weapons being sent to a place where they might end up killing someone because of an itchy trigger finger.

These idiots need to be made an example of. This behavior has gone on FAR too long. Swatting isn't a prank. It can be extremely deadly as shown in this case.
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Tyler should def be imprisoned.

They other two should get the same sentence the cop is getting. :/

Given all of the documentation and confessions, it's kinda ballsy that they'd still plead not guilty instead of just taking a plea.

Full Throttle posted...

Both teens were not arrested but were issued a summoning to appear in court as they remain free on 10,000 bond each and ordered to find a JOB and to NOT play online video games or have contact with witnesses

tbh, crazy shit happens when people have too much free time on their hands.

Full Throttle posted...

Do you think Swatting should be a prison offense?

Duh?

streamofthesky posted...

The douchebag unidentified cop who immediately opened fire on an unarmed innocent man: Life in prison

The cop was responding to a call where he was told that there was petrol sprayed throughout the house and the guy was thinking of lighting it and killing the hostages inside. He issued an order for the suspect to raise his hands then the suspect dropped them to his side. Given that he was given bad information and the suspect ignored his order, it wasn't entirely unreasonable for him to shoot. Your idea of a life prison sentence despite an absence of malice and in response to what was purported a legitimate threat is completely unreasonable, reactionary, and just silly. The people responsible for the death are the ones involved in putting in the fake call. Even the 911 operator, who passed it along as a real tip, doesn't deserve legal action.

And the idea that a cop responding within his duties to a call should warrant life in prison when actual, premeditated murderers don't even get that long a sentence --- nor should they (because we live in a civilized nation, not some third-world shithole) -- is fucking absurd and illustrative of the hatred towards cops in this country.

SKARDAVNELNATE posted...

Is the judge also going to order a better economy?

Unemployment is under 4%. It'd be difficult to get a better economy.

Kyuubi4269 posted...

In a hostage situation they need to be less trigger happy, not more. In a hostage situation, he risked shooting a hostage and scaring the hostage-taker in to killing the rest. The officer was criminally negligent in a delicate situation.

That makes zero sense considering that the alleged hostage-taker was standing at the door. If anything, cop presence might convince the taker to kill everybody and that could have been the only clean shot they'd get. Had it been a real incident, the hostage-taker would have likely just killed everybody because they figured it was all over.

Kyuubi4269 posted...

Andrew is dead because of an unlawful act on the part of the officer.

No, he's dead because two punks put a hit out on the wrong guy. Out of everybody involved -- Mr. Fake Address, the client, the Swatter, the dispatcher, the cop, and the suspect/victim -- the cop came the closest to responding appropriately since he was given bad information by dispatch and dealt with an allegedly dangerous suspect who disobeyed orders

adjl posted...

If anything, the cop is the only one who has any chance of justifying his actions, given the only information his team had to work with.

This. Even the dispatcher has less justification because that call sounded all kinds of flaky. Dispatch should have given better information in light of that fact to the cop although, even then, it would *still* need to be approached seriously just in case. The two mostly at fault are the swatter (who, given his history, needs to go away for a long time) and the guy who took out the contract, with the guy who gave a fake address (knowing what was going to happen) being the third-most at fault. These systems are designed to respond to legitimate threats so fake tips fuck things up.
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yutterh posted...

t is exactly the same thing as if someone called fire in a building and people died from various reasons. The person who called fire is responsible for causing the panic. Not to mention they called cops, so they can't even be in another area doing actual police work. I know police are painted with a bad image, but most of them do their job. We don't know the background of these cops, we don't know some of the shit they seen. When you respond to some crazy shit like this, I am sure they seen the worst. So him popping in ready to fire could have been some PTSD of not saving the person the last time, maybe a rookie got nervous, maybe the dude is just a dirt bag. Either way, they shouldn't have been there. Not saying the cops shouldn't also get reprimanded but they deserve it just as much or worse. This should be equal to those people that go to prison for years because they were outside while their buddy did a BNE and killed the family. Same shit should apply to this group of fuckers.

Ok and if somebody yelled fire then a cop decided to shoot random fleeing people he should get off by your logic.
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they're going to be charged with murder and they should
they sent armed men to someone's house when they knew guns would be pointed

i would have pleaded for manslaughter

Zeus posted...

Full Throttle posted...

Both teens were not arrested but were issued a summoning to appear in court as they remain free on 10,000 bond each and ordered to find a JOB and to NOT play online video games or have contact with witnesses

tbh, crazy shit happens when people have too much free time on their hands.

Maybe playing video games would help use up that free time.

Zeus posted...

Unemployment is under 4%. It'd be difficult to get a better economy.

Unfortunately that's not evenly distributed. It's still quite terrible where I live.
Is the judge also going to order a better local economy?
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They deserve prison sentences as does the officer who murdered him.

Zeus posted...

streamofthesky posted...

The douchebag unidentified cop who immediately opened fire on an unarmed innocent man: Life in prison

The cop was responding to a call where he was told that there was petrol sprayed throughout the house and the guy was thinking of lighting it and killing the hostages inside. He issued an order for the suspect to raise his hands then the suspect dropped them to his side. Given that he was given bad information and the suspect ignored his order, it wasn't entirely unreasonable for him to shoot. Your idea of a life prison sentence despite an absence of malice and in response to what was purported a legitimate threat is completely unreasonable, reactionary, and just silly. The people responsible for the death are the ones involved in putting in the fake call. Even the 911 operator, who passed it along as a real tip, doesn't deserve legal action.

And the idea that a cop responding within his duties to a call should warrant life in prison when actual, premeditated murderers don't even get that long a sentence --- nor should they (because we live in a civilized nation, not some third-world shithole) -- is fucking absurd and illustrative of the hatred towards cops in this country.

No, the cop's job isn't to just roll up and shoot at people.
The cops should assess a situation first, precisely BECAUSE the intel they've been given may be incorrect, never mind simple human errors like getting one number wrong in the building number of the address.

Cops always say the unarmed innocent man they shot "didn't follow instructions" or "reached for his belt" or some shit. It's been shown to be bs numerous times when camera footage of an incident actually is released to the public and we should all take such claims by the police with a grain of salt.

Even if someone was reaching for their waistband, that doesn't mean the cops should immediately open fire. Take cover first. Keep the weapon at the ready, but don't just immediately shoot.
Cops aren't the fucking judge, jury, and executioner, and it's amazing you'll whine and moan about a calm, deliberate process that takes over 10 years of appeals and court decisions resulting in the execution of a convicted criminal, but you fall all over yourself in a big rush to defend cops gunning down unarmed suspects.

SKARDAVNELNATE posted...

Zeus posted...

Full Throttle posted...

Both teens were not arrested but were issued a summoning to appear in court as they remain free on 10,000 bond each and ordered to find a JOB and to NOT play online video games or have contact with witnesses

tbh, crazy shit happens when people have too much free time on their hands.

Maybe playing video games would help use up that free time.

The issue wasn't using free time, it was having free time to use. An unsurprisingly large number of these cases involve people with way too much free time on their hands, which they use to get into trouble.

SKARDAVNELNATE posted...

Zeus posted...

Unemployment is under 4%. It'd be difficult to get a better economy.

Unfortunately that's not evenly distributed. It's still quite terrible where I live.
Is the judge also going to order a better local economy?

The only problem is you don't necessarily know what their local economy is like or what they've even done to apply for jobs.
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streamofthesky posted...

Zeus posted...

streamofthesky posted...

The douchebag unidentified cop who immediately opened fire on an unarmed innocent man: Life in prison

The cop was responding to a call where he was told that there was petrol sprayed throughout the house and the guy was thinking of lighting it and killing the hostages inside. He issued an order for the suspect to raise his hands then the suspect dropped them to his side. Given that he was given bad information and the suspect ignored his order, it wasn't entirely unreasonable for him to shoot. Your idea of a life prison sentence despite an absence of malice and in response to what was purported a legitimate threat is completely unreasonable, reactionary, and just silly. The people responsible for the death are the ones involved in putting in the fake call. Even the 911 operator, who passed it along as a real tip, doesn't deserve legal action.

And the idea that a cop responding within his duties to a call should warrant life in prison when actual, premeditated murderers don't even get that long a sentence --- nor should they (because we live in a civilized nation, not some third-world shithole) -- is fucking absurd and illustrative of the hatred towards cops in this country.

No, the cop's job isn't to just roll up and shoot at people.
The cops should assess a situation first, precisely BECAUSE the intel they've been given may be incorrect, never mind simple human errors like getting one number wrong in the building number of the address.

Cops always say the unarmed innocent man they shot "didn't follow instructions" or "reached for his belt" or some shit. It's been shown to be bs numerous times when camera footage of an incident actually is released to the public and we should all take such claims by the police with a grain of salt.

Even if someone was reaching for their waistband, that doesn't mean the cops should immediately open fire. Take cover first. Keep the weapon at the ready, but don't just immediately shoot.
Cops aren't the fucking judge, jury, and executioner, and it's amazing you'll whine and moan about a calm, deliberate process that takes over 10 years of appeals and court decisions resulting in the execution of a convicted criminal, but you fall all over yourself in a big rush to defend cops gunning down unarmed suspects.

Which is why he only has a chance of being able to justify his actions, not a guarantee. That's still better than the other dickbags have.
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adjl posted...

Which is why he only has a chance of being able to justify his actions, not a guarantee. That's still better than the other dickbags have.

I'm willing to cut the two gamers that initially got into the argument a bit of slack and assume they didn't intend at all to get someone killed. Door kicked in, dog killed, maybe some broken bones from a violent take down by a cop....still vile shit, but not straight up murder.

The call to the police could've been just about anything. Police even send in SWAT now just to serve drug search warrants.
It was Tyler, experienced swatter and complete sociopath that he is, that painted such an elaborate tale of deranged violence to the police, which drastically increased the chances of itchy trigger fingers.

But the cop still is supposed to assess the damn situation. The guy peacefully opened the door. Any reasonable person might stop for a sec and think something's off. Or perhaps, I dunno...consider the guy opening the door might be one of the "crazed gunman's" hostages/captives, and hold his fire.
Just a thought. Which is more than the murdering cop ever gave it.

Zeus posted...

That makes zero sense considering that the alleged hostage-taker was standing at the door. If anything, cop presence might convince the taker to kill everybody and that could have been the only clean shot they'd get. Had it been a real incident, the hostage-taker would have likely just killed everybody because they figured it was all over.

But it could have been a hostage that opened the door... Or maybe they had the wrong address...

streamofthesky posted...

But the cop still is supposed to assess the damn situation.

This is true...

streamofthesky posted...

dog killed

I mean, I dont want to sound bad, but Id probably killed the person who swatted me if that happened. My dogs are my babies...
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Zeus posted...

Unemployment is under 4%. It'd be difficult to get a better economy.

Aren't you on unemployment?
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Zeus posted...

The issue wasn't using free time, it was having free time to use.

This didn't result from just having free time. It resulted from making a false report during their free time. How the free time was used is key here and the judge is dangerously close to blaming video games in this ruling.

Zeus posted...

The only problem is you don't necessarily know what their local economy is like or what they've even done to apply for jobs.

They can control whether they play online video games. They can control to an extent whether they have contact with witnesses. They can't control whether another person hires them. Does this mean an employer who rejects their resume can be found in contempt of court for not giving them a job?
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streamofthesky posted...

I'm willing to cut the two gamers that initially got into the argument a bit of slack and assume they didn't intend at all to get someone killed.

Their intent doesn't matter. People's lives are what is at stake when a SWAT team is called. Always. The only one I'm willing to cut any slack is the intended target, and even then the fact that he proactively gave out somebody else's address indicates that he saw this coming and can therefore not be said to be completely innocent.

streamofthesky posted...

But the cop still is supposed to assess the damn situation. The guy peacefully opened the door. Any reasonable person might stop for a sec and think something's off. Or perhaps, I dunno...consider the guy opening the door might be one of the "crazed gunman's" hostages/captives, and hold his fire.
Just a thought. Which is more than the murdering cop ever gave it.

I agree that, based on the sequence of events as we know them, the cop did not act appropriately. He might yet be able to put together a defense, though, depending on the details of his experience leading up to the incident.
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streamofthesky posted...

adjl posted...

Which is why he only has a chance of being able to justify his actions, not a guarantee. That's still better than the other dickbags have.

I'm willing to cut the two gamers that initially got into the argument a bit of slack and assume they didn't intend at all to get someone killed. Door kicked in, dog killed, maybe some broken bones from a violent take down by a cop....still vile shit, but not straight up murder.

The call to the police could've been just about anything. Police even send in SWAT now just to serve drug search warrants.
It was Tyler, experienced swatter and complete sociopath that he is, that painted such an elaborate tale of deranged violence to the police, which drastically increased the chances of itchy trigger fingers.

But the cop still is supposed to assess the damn situation. The guy peacefully opened the door. Any reasonable person might stop for a sec and think something's off. Or perhaps, I dunno...consider the guy opening the door might be one of the "crazed gunman's" hostages/captives, and hold his fire.
Just a thought. Which is more than the murdering cop ever gave it.

Oh please, swatting gets people killed and it's a known fact at this point. If they go far enough to dance with the idea of swatting someone then they know what the possible repercussions will be
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