Poll of the Day > 2 XBOX One Gamers plead NOT GUILTY to SWATTING that led to a Man KILLED!!!

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Revelation34 posted...

yutterh posted...

t is exactly the same thing as if someone called fire in a building and people died from various reasons. The person who called fire is responsible for causing the panic. Not to mention they called cops, so they can't even be in another area doing actual police work. I know police are painted with a bad image, but most of them do their job. We don't know the background of these cops, we don't know some of the shit they seen. When you respond to some crazy shit like this, I am sure they seen the worst. So him popping in ready to fire could have been some PTSD of not saving the person the last time, maybe a rookie got nervous, maybe the dude is just a dirt bag. Either way, they shouldn't have been there. Not saying the cops shouldn't also get reprimanded but they deserve it just as much or worse. This should be equal to those people that go to prison for years because they were outside while their buddy did a BNE and killed the family. Same shit should apply to this group of fuckers.

Ok and if somebody yelled fire then a cop decided to shoot random fleeing people he should get off by your logic.

So a cop deciding to randomly shoot people is the same thing? Why would he have any justification in shoooting people because of a fire? That makes zero sense dude. Zeus handled everything pretty well, The cop was responding to a very dangerous hostage situation. It is not at all the same goddamn thing.
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LinkPizza posted...

streamofthesky posted...

dog killed

I mean, I dont want to sound bad, but Id probably killed the person who swatted me if that happened. My dogs are my babies...

Oh, I agree. I think animal murderers should be punished severely.
But sadly our society doesn't see it that was. Duckbear's got a story linked just recently of two monsters that slit a dog's throat because "they needed to kill something" and they got off with no jail time at all.
A cop shooting the family dog isn't considered that bad, but I agree it should be.

adjl posted...

streamofthesky posted...

But the cop still is supposed to assess the damn situation. The guy peacefully opened the door. Any reasonable person might stop for a sec and think something's off. Or perhaps, I dunno...consider the guy opening the door might be one of the "crazed gunman's" hostages/captives, and hold his fire.
Just a thought. Which is more than the murdering cop ever gave it.

I agree that, based on the sequence of events as we know them, the cop did not act appropriately. He might yet be able to put together a defense, though, depending on the details of his experience leading up to the incident.

He doesn't need to put together a defense. He hasn't even been charged and isn't going to be. Because he's a cop.

PuddingBoy posted...

streamofthesky posted...

adjl posted...

Which is why he only has a chance of being able to justify his actions, not a guarantee. That's still better than the other dickbags have.

I'm willing to cut the two gamers that initially got into the argument a bit of slack and assume they didn't intend at all to get someone killed. Door kicked in, dog killed, maybe some broken bones from a violent take down by a cop....still vile shit, but not straight up murder.

The call to the police could've been just about anything. Police even send in SWAT now just to serve drug search warrants.
It was Tyler, experienced swatter and complete sociopath that he is, that painted such an elaborate tale of deranged violence to the police, which drastically increased the chances of itchy trigger fingers.

But the cop still is supposed to assess the damn situation. The guy peacefully opened the door. Any reasonable person might stop for a sec and think something's off. Or perhaps, I dunno...consider the guy opening the door might be one of the "crazed gunman's" hostages/captives, and hold his fire.
Just a thought. Which is more than the murdering cop ever gave it.

Oh please, swatting gets people killed and it's a known fact at this point. If they go far enough to dance with the idea of swatting someone then they know what the possible repercussions will be

To be fair, this was apparently "the first swatting death," so at the time I guess arguably it wasn't "known" that it gets people killed since it had never happened before. I was shocked it hadn't happened before w/ how trigger happy cops are, but yeah...

streamofthesky posted...

PuddingBoy posted...

streamofthesky posted...

adjl posted...

Which is why he only has a chance of being able to justify his actions, not a guarantee. That's still better than the other dickbags have.

I'm willing to cut the two gamers that initially got into the argument a bit of slack and assume they didn't intend at all to get someone killed. Door kicked in, dog killed, maybe some broken bones from a violent take down by a cop....still vile shit, but not straight up murder.

The call to the police could've been just about anything. Police even send in SWAT now just to serve drug search warrants.
It was Tyler, experienced swatter and complete sociopath that he is, that painted such an elaborate tale of deranged violence to the police, which drastically increased the chances of itchy trigger fingers.

But the cop still is supposed to assess the damn situation. The guy peacefully opened the door. Any reasonable person might stop for a sec and think something's off. Or perhaps, I dunno...consider the guy opening the door might be one of the "crazed gunman's" hostages/captives, and hold his fire.
Just a thought. Which is more than the murdering cop ever gave it.

Oh please, swatting gets people killed and it's a known fact at this point. If they go far enough to dance with the idea of swatting someone then they know what the possible repercussions will be

To be fair, this was apparently "the first swatting death," so at the time I guess arguably it wasn't "known" that it gets people killed since it had never happened before. I was shocked it hadn't happened before w/ how trigger happy cops are, but yeah...

Fair then, I'm also surprised it hasn't happened before this case if what you say is true.
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yutterh posted...

So a cop deciding to randomly shoot people is the same thing? Why would he have any justification in shoooting people because of a fire? That makes zero sense dude. Zeus handled everything pretty well, The cop was responding to a very dangerous hostage situation. It is not at all the same goddamn thing.

It is if you shoot a person who was obviously not a threat.

streamofthesky posted...

animal murderers

That's not a thing.
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People who swat need to have their lives destroyed far more than people who say racist things on twitter when they're drunk.
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streamofthesky posted...

Zeus posted...

streamofthesky posted...

The douchebag unidentified cop who immediately opened fire on an unarmed innocent man: Life in prison

The cop was responding to a call where he was told that there was petrol sprayed throughout the house and the guy was thinking of lighting it and killing the hostages inside. He issued an order for the suspect to raise his hands then the suspect dropped them to his side. Given that he was given bad information and the suspect ignored his order, it wasn't entirely unreasonable for him to shoot. Your idea of a life prison sentence despite an absence of malice and in response to what was purported a legitimate threat is completely unreasonable, reactionary, and just silly. The people responsible for the death are the ones involved in putting in the fake call. Even the 911 operator, who passed it along as a real tip, doesn't deserve legal action.

And the idea that a cop responding within his duties to a call should warrant life in prison when actual, premeditated murderers don't even get that long a sentence --- nor should they (because we live in a civilized nation, not some third-world shithole) -- is fucking absurd and illustrative of the hatred towards cops in this country.

No, the cop's job isn't to just roll up and shoot at people.
The cops should assess a situation first, precisely BECAUSE the intel they've been given may be incorrect, never mind simple human errors like getting one number wrong in the building number of the address.

Cops always say the unarmed innocent man they shot "didn't follow instructions" or "reached for his belt" or some shit. It's been shown to be bs numerous times when camera footage of an incident actually is released to the public and we should all take such claims by the police with a grain of salt.

Even if someone was reaching for their waistband, that doesn't mean the cops should immediately open fire. Take cover first. Keep the weapon at the ready, but don't just immediately shoot.

He didn't "roll up and shoot at people," he showed up, held a gun on a suspect, issued a warning which the suspect seemed to respond to, and then the suspect dropped his hand to his waistband. And, while you whine "oh, cops ALWAYS say that," we literally have this one on tape issuing the orders.

streamofthesky posted...

Cops aren't the fucking judge, jury, and executioner, and it's amazing you'll whine and moan about a calm, deliberate process that takes over 10 years of appeals and court decisions resulting in the execution of a convicted criminal, but you fall all over yourself in a big rush to defend cops gunning down unarmed suspects.

It's amazing that you can't comprehend the difference between a premeditated, senseless execution of an already subdued individual that benefits nobody and an urgent response to a life-or-death situation. It makes a LOT of sense to give cops the option of using lethal force to subdue a suspect since it prevents others from being harmed. This same logic obviously doesn't apply to a prisoner. And it's somewhat staggering that you can't understand the difference.
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streamofthesky posted...

adjl posted...

Which is why he only has a chance of being able to justify his actions, not a guarantee. That's still better than the other dickbags have.

I'm willing to cut the two gamers that initially got into the argument a bit of slack and assume they didn't intend at all to get someone killed. Door kicked in, dog killed, maybe some broken bones from a violent take down by a cop....still vile shit, but not straight up murder.

The call to the police could've been just about anything. Police even send in SWAT now just to serve drug search warrants.
It was Tyler, experienced swatter and complete sociopath that he is, that painted such an elaborate tale of deranged violence to the police, which drastically increased the chances of itchy trigger fingers.

But the cop still is supposed to assess the damn situation. The guy peacefully opened the door. Any reasonable person might stop for a sec and think something's off. Or perhaps, I dunno...consider the guy opening the door might be one of the "crazed gunman's" hostages/captives, and hold his fire.
Just a thought. Which is more than the murdering cop ever gave it.

Could have been about anything? The tip was LITERALLY about a hostage situation, FROM the perspective of the hostage-taker who was threatening to kill the hostages. It's not like cops just randomly show up places without any guidance or input, literally any time a cop responds to a call they have information.

As for "peacefully opening the door," keep in mind that the Swatter was deliberately acting unhinged so just answering the door is perfectly in keeping with that. It's not like this was a bank robber or other call where the hostage-taker intended to use the hostages for leverage.

Neither gamer deserves even the slightest bit of slack. One took out a contract on somebody's life and the other (the more innocent of the two) gave an address *knowing* that the other person may have intended harm.
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Zeus posted...

One took out a contract on somebody's life

Only if you assume cops are assassins.
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Zeus posted...

streamofthesky posted...

adjl posted...

Which is why he only has a chance of being able to justify his actions, not a guarantee. That's still better than the other dickbags have.

I'm willing to cut the two gamers that initially got into the argument a bit of slack and assume they didn't intend at all to get someone killed. Door kicked in, dog killed, maybe some broken bones from a violent take down by a cop....still vile shit, but not straight up murder.

The call to the police could've been just about anything. Police even send in SWAT now just to serve drug search warrants.
It was Tyler, experienced swatter and complete sociopath that he is, that painted such an elaborate tale of deranged violence to the police, which drastically increased the chances of itchy trigger fingers.

But the cop still is supposed to assess the damn situation. The guy peacefully opened the door. Any reasonable person might stop for a sec and think something's off. Or perhaps, I dunno...consider the guy opening the door might be one of the "crazed gunman's" hostages/captives, and hold his fire.
Just a thought. Which is more than the murdering cop ever gave it.

Could have been about anything? The tip was LITERALLY about a hostage situation, FROM the perspective of the hostage-taker who was threatening to kill the hostages. It's not like cops just randomly show up places without any guidance or input, literally any time a cop responds to a call they have information.

As for "peacefully opening the door," keep in mind that the Swatter was deliberately acting unhinged so just answering the door is perfectly in keeping with that. It's not like this was a bank robber or other call where the hostage-taker intended to use the hostages for leverage.

Neither gamer deserves even the slightest bit of slack. One took out a contract on somebody's life and the other (the more innocent of the two) gave an address *knowing* that the other person may have intended harm.

And all of this doesn't matter.

Swatting isn't a new concept and it isn't as though police have never received the wrong address.

For them to open fire before verifying the situation is wrong. They receive constant training, I know my dad had to go every year for it even when he wasn't working the streets anymore. They had meetings there where they discussed updates and new things. Like the militant "sovereign citizens" being a rising threat to law enforcement and how to potentially identify them by bumper stickers and shit if you pulled them over.

There are so many videos of police having reasonable responses to swatting calls, and you want to defend a situation where police did not respond properly and gunned down an unarmed man without justification.

ClarkDuke posted...

Zeus posted...

Unemployment is under 4%. It'd be difficult to get a better economy.

Aren't you on unemployment?

Someone quote me, so @Zeus can see, ok?
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ClarkDuke posted...

ClarkDuke posted...

Zeus posted...

Unemployment is under 4%. It'd be difficult to get a better economy.

Aren't you on unemployment?

Someone quote me, so @Zeus can see, ok?

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LinkPizza posted...

ClarkDuke posted...

ClarkDuke posted...

Zeus posted...

Unemployment is under 4%. It'd be difficult to get a better economy.

Aren't you on unemployment?

Someone quote me, so @Zeus can see, ok?

Thank you, ok?
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