Poll of the Day > One thing I don't really get about the gun control camp...

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VioletZer0
05/31/18 11:03:09 AM
#1:


You all understand that the police in the US are horribly corrupt. But we're not allowed to have guns either.

So what exactly are we supposed to DO to protect ourselves?
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SunWuKung420
05/31/18 11:04:49 AM
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Removing tools of violence doesn't end violence. Only by removing violence from ourselves can we truly be safe with each other.

If we cannot quench the violence in ourselves, our bare hands will destroy us.
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Jen0125
05/31/18 11:05:06 AM
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This is bait.
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VioletZer0
05/31/18 11:05:53 AM
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Jen0125 posted...
This is bait.


Are you suggesting mass incarceration of PoC is entirely the fault of PoC?
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Jen0125
05/31/18 11:06:16 AM
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VioletZer0 posted...
Jen0125 posted...
This is bait.


Are you suggesting mass incarceration of PoC is entirely the fault of PoC?


This is also bait.
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AllstarSniper32
05/31/18 11:06:40 AM
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Go learn Tai Chi Chuan or something. They won't be able to ban your fists.
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VeeVees
05/31/18 11:07:15 AM
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You strike first. Be the criminal. Go on the offense and commit violent crimes everywhere.
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Kyuubi4269
05/31/18 11:07:18 AM
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Jen0125 posted...
This is bait.

It's only bait if you can't offer a strong response.
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VioletZer0
05/31/18 11:08:17 AM
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AllstarSniper32 posted...
Go learn Tai Chi Chuan or something. They won't be able to ban your fists.


Yeah when criminals are shooting at me I'll punch them in the face.

That'll work.
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Jen0125
05/31/18 11:08:20 AM
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Kyuubi4269 posted...
Jen0125 posted...
This is bait.

It's only bait if you can't offer a strong response.


This is bait as well.
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SunWuKung420
05/31/18 11:08:51 AM
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I think Jen is drunk.
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Jen0125
05/31/18 11:09:42 AM
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SunWuKung420 posted...
I think Jen is drunk.


And I think you're a terrible person and you should grow up since you're going to be 40.

But this is also bait.
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LinkPizza
05/31/18 11:14:42 AM
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VioletZer0 posted...
AllstarSniper32 posted...
Go learn Tai Chi Chuan or something. They won't be able to ban your fists.


Yeah when criminals are shooting at me I'll punch them in the face.

That'll work.

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SunWuKung420
05/31/18 11:15:19 AM
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Jen0125 posted...
SunWuKung420 posted...
I think Jen is drunk.


And I think you're a terrible person and you should grow up since you're going to be 40.


Considering the source, I'm doing just fine.
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Smarkil
05/31/18 11:15:31 AM
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SunWuKung420 posted...
I think Jen is drunk.


You're a good person sunny
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J_Dawg983
05/31/18 11:23:16 AM
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Hypothetically, you do need your gun because of corrupt police, so youre just going to shoot police that you think are needlessly hassling you?
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Kigalas
05/31/18 11:23:59 AM
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VioletZer0 posted...
You all understand that the police in the US are horribly corrupt. But we're not allowed to have guns either.

So what exactly are we supposed to DO to protect ourselves?

What a premise. Im sure some police are corrupt. But, given the enormous task of passing an amendment, let alone one to repeal the fucking second amendment. Lol is all I have to say.
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Kyuubi4269
05/31/18 11:28:00 AM
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J_Dawg983 posted...
Hypothetically, you do need your gun because of corrupt police, so youre just going to shoot police that you think are needlessly hassling you?

Fairly sure it's a gun for shooting police house invaders who rape your family.
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Its like he wants two things at the same time.
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AllstarSniper32
05/31/18 11:59:42 AM
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VioletZer0 posted...
AllstarSniper32 posted...
Go learn Tai Chi Chuan or something. They won't be able to ban your fists.

Yeah when criminals are shooting at me I'll punch them in the face.

That'll work.

I mean, it would as long as you don't walk to the in a straight line right in front of them.
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BADoglick
05/31/18 12:07:33 PM
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VioletZer0 posted...
You all understand that the police in the US are horribly corrupt. But we're not allowed to have guns either.

So what exactly are we supposed to DO to protect ourselves?


Gun control advocates lack critical thinking skills, hence why they complain about police brutality one week and then proceed to claim only police and military should have guns. It's why they claim Trump is 'literally Hitler', yet support 'literally Hitler' doing what Hitler literally did.... mass confiscation of the populace's firearms.
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BADoglick
05/31/18 12:08:32 PM
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Also 'this is just bait' is an admission of a lack of critical thinking skills
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SunWuKung420
05/31/18 12:09:51 PM
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BADoglick posted...
Also 'this is just bait' is an admission of a lack of critical thinking skills


Or being drunk first thing in the morning.
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Jen0125
05/31/18 12:13:46 PM
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BADoglick posted...
Also 'this is just bait' is an admission of a lack of critical thinking skills

SunWuKung420 posted...
BADoglick posted...
Also 'this is just bait' is an admission of a lack of critical thinking skills


Or being drunk first thing in the morning.


These are bait.
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CyborgSage00x0
05/31/18 12:16:41 PM
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BADoglick posted...
Also 'this is just bait' is an admission of a lack of critical thinking skills

That would imply that there's anything to critically think about in regards to the topic in question. Spoilers: There isn't.

Curse you for making me take Jen's side on anything, but this is obviously a low-hanging fruit topic.
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XlaxJynx007
05/31/18 12:17:20 PM
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J_Dawg983 posted...
Hypothetically, you do need your gun because of corrupt police, so youre just going to shoot police that you think are needlessly hassling you?

Not hassling you, but threatening your life. I don't support having to fear for your life from those who are supposed to protect you when you haven't done anything to justify your life being threatened.
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VioletZer0
05/31/18 12:28:54 PM
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BADoglick posted...
VioletZer0 posted...
You all understand that the police in the US are horribly corrupt. But we're not allowed to have guns either.

So what exactly are we supposed to DO to protect ourselves?


Gun control advocates lack critical thinking skills, hence why they complain about police brutality one week and then proceed to claim only police and military should have guns. It's why they claim Trump is 'literally Hitler', yet support 'literally Hitler' doing what Hitler literally did.... mass confiscation of the populace's firearms.


To be fair I've seen this idiocy from the other side too. They proclaim 2A, but then in the same breath mention that "BlueLivesMatter". Like they're completely unaware of what 2A is for, or why we have it.
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Blightzkrieg
05/31/18 12:29:24 PM
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Having a gun is only more likely to get you shot by cops. Shooting back at them is likely to get your whole family killed.
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VioletZer0
05/31/18 12:31:59 PM
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Blightzkrieg posted...
Having a gun is only more likely to get you shot by cops. Shooting back at them is likely to get your whole family killed.


Appeasing cops won't make them stop abusing their power over you. They will still continue their mass incarceration because of the profit in it. They will continue shooting people, because they want to put that fear into people for power and control.
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VioletZer0
05/31/18 12:39:50 PM
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Quite frankly the whole "Police fear for their lives!" schtick is racist propaganda to justify police brutality on "threatening" minorities.
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Blightzkrieg
05/31/18 12:40:55 PM
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VioletZer0 posted...
Blightzkrieg posted...
Having a gun is only more likely to get you shot by cops. Shooting back at them is likely to get your whole family killed.


Appeasing cops won't make them stop abusing their power over you. They will still continue their mass incarceration because of the profit in it. They will continue shooting people, because they want to put that fear into people for power and control.

They need to be restructured from the top down. A war on cops is not going to work.
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VioletZer0
05/31/18 12:43:52 PM
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Blightzkrieg posted...
VioletZer0 posted...
Blightzkrieg posted...
Having a gun is only more likely to get you shot by cops. Shooting back at them is likely to get your whole family killed.


Appeasing cops won't make them stop abusing their power over you. They will still continue their mass incarceration because of the profit in it. They will continue shooting people, because they want to put that fear into people for power and control.

They need to be restructured from the top down. A war on cops is not going to work.


It's worked before. Called the American Revolution. Maybe you heard of it?

In any case, let me know how that "restructuring police" thing works for you.
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BADoglick
05/31/18 1:16:26 PM
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VioletZer0 posted...
BADoglick posted...
VioletZer0 posted...
You all understand that the police in the US are horribly corrupt. But we're not allowed to have guns either.

So what exactly are we supposed to DO to protect ourselves?


Gun control advocates lack critical thinking skills, hence why they complain about police brutality one week and then proceed to claim only police and military should have guns. It's why they claim Trump is 'literally Hitler', yet support 'literally Hitler' doing what Hitler literally did.... mass confiscation of the populace's firearms.


To be fair I've seen this idiocy from the other side too. They proclaim 2A, but then in the same breath mention that "BlueLivesMatter". Like they're completely unaware of what 2A is for, or why we have it.


I completely agree with that. Neither party has any consistency. The fact that someone can have both a don't tread on me flag, and a thin blue line flag bumper stickered on their car, while being oblivious to who is treading on them, is laughable.

I'm not a republican btw. I'm a moderate libertarian
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VioletZer0
05/31/18 1:26:27 PM
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BADoglick posted...
I completely agree with that. Neither party has any consistency. The fact that someone can have both a don't tread on me flag, and a thin blue line flag bumper stickered on their car, while being oblivious to who is treading on them, is laughable.

I'm not a republican btw. I'm a moderate libertarian

Same here.
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adjl
05/31/18 1:53:20 PM
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VioletZer0 posted...
You all understand that the police in the US are horribly corrupt.


Not really. Some police are corrupt, and there are certainly issues with racial and other biases and a growing trend of unnecessary force, but that's hardly grounds for calling all American police "horribly corrupt." That's usually reserved for places where organized crime effectively owns the police force and can therefore do whatever they want with impunity.

VioletZer0 posted...
So what exactly are we supposed to DO to protect ourselves?


Engage police in meaningful dialogues about biases, work with them (community de-escalation programs, etc.) to reduce violent crime, vote/campaign for municipal politicians that plan to employ larger-scale programs to make such things happen, and for state/federal politicians that will end the for-profit prison system and war on drugs... Really, the fact that "I can't shoot them if they do something I don't like!" is your first thought here is pretty alarming. There are ample avenues for peacefully effecting change. You'll just actually have to leave your house to try them.
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LinkPizza
05/31/18 2:13:03 PM
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AllstarSniper32 posted...
VioletZer0 posted...
AllstarSniper32 posted...
Go learn Tai Chi Chuan or something. They won't be able to ban your fists.

Yeah when criminals are shooting at me I'll punch them in the face.

That'll work.

I mean, it would as long as you don't walk to the in a straight line right in front of them.

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J_Dawg983
05/31/18 2:21:57 PM
#36:


XlaxJynx007 posted...
J_Dawg983 posted...
Hypothetically, you do need your gun because of corrupt police, so youre just going to shoot police that you think are needlessly hassling you?

Not hassling you, but threatening your life. I don't support having to fear for your life from those who are supposed to protect you when you haven't done anything to justify your life being threatened.

Maybe if you werent waving a gun around in public you wouldnt have your life threatened. It honestly feels like some of you guys are using action movie story lines for your idea of the police.
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Peterass
05/31/18 2:29:18 PM
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BADoglick posted...

Gun control advocates lack critical thinking skills, hence why they complain about police brutality one week and then proceed to claim only police and military should have guns. It's why they claim Trump is 'literally Hitler', yet support 'literally Hitler' doing what Hitler literally did.... mass confiscation of the populace's firearms.


So true!
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VeeVees
05/31/18 3:16:53 PM
#38:


J_Dawg983 posted...
XlaxJynx007 posted...
J_Dawg983 posted...
Hypothetically, you do need your gun because of corrupt police, so youre just going to shoot police that you think are needlessly hassling you?

Not hassling you, but threatening your life. I don't support having to fear for your life from those who are supposed to protect you when you haven't done anything to justify your life being threatened.

Maybe if you werent waving a gun around in public you wouldnt have your life threatened. It honestly feels like some of you guys are using action movie story lines for your idea of the police.

But the evil government will oppress me if I don't wave my guns around.
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Blightzkrieg
05/31/18 3:17:07 PM
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VioletZer0 posted...
It's worked before. Called the American Revolution. Maybe you heard of it?

Apparently it didnt work all that well
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BADoglick
05/31/18 3:35:03 PM
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Blightzkrieg posted...
VioletZer0 posted...
It's worked before. Called the American Revolution. Maybe you heard of it?

Apparently it didnt work all that well


Because of decades of degradation of the constitution, as well as mass indoctrination of the populace into statism, as clearly evidenced by you.
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Yellow
05/31/18 3:59:09 PM
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ITT: All of Europe Canada and Japan are brutal dictatorships and that's why we must have school shootings
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VioletZer0
05/31/18 4:56:00 PM
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Yellow posted...
ITT: All of Europe Canada and Japan are brutal dictatorships and that's why we must have school shootings


When the poulation is not armed, they can literally turn dictator any time they want and there is nothing that can be done to stop them.

The government is in no way obligated to respect rights or votes.
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