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scarletspeed7 03/26/18 2:43:49 PM #202:	Yeah, and he lost out on a backstage position because of it too. It's really too bad because he always had a grounded realism in his booking ideas; I think he could have been a great road agent. --- "Reading would be your friend." ~Dave Meltzer <cite>scarletspeed7 posted [p:898527863] in Scarlet Ra... [t:76407656]...</cite> <quote>Yeah, and he lost out on a backstage position because of it too. It's really too bad because he always had a grounded realism in his booking ideas; I think he could have been a great road agent.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scarletspeed7 03/26/18 3:02:29 PM #203:	#121 - Taylor Wilde Nominated by: Preston https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qys_UKWr1Jo" data-time=" This isn't a slight to Taylor Wilde or anything, but I just didn't have time to care about her. There were Knockouts I preferred to her in TNA at the time, and her work sort of ceased right when I thought she was getting pretty interesting. Sometimes a worker just doesn't leave much of an impact outside of a cursory opinion, and that was the case here. Look, every wrestling fan can't care about every good wrestler. It's a fact of life. Aside from the difference between subjectivity and objectivity, there's just not enough time in the day to have a life and also give a shit about wrestling. In fact, the two can be mutually exclusive at times. So it is, then, that Taylor Wilde is a brief footnote in my wrestling experience. She was pretty good but, well, I was focused on other things during her run in TNA. I will give her credit for being a good babyface, but I've got to admit it here and now, unequivocally in front of everyone: I don't care about the Knockouts that much. --- "Reading would be your friend." ~Dave Meltzer <cite>scarletspeed7 posted [p:898528920] in Scarlet Ra... [t:76407656]...</cite> <quote>#121 - Taylor Wilde Nominated by: Preston https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qys_UKWr1Jo" data-time=" This isn't a slight to Taylor Wilde or anything, but I just didn't have time to care about her. There were Knockouts I preferred to her in TNA at the time, and her work sort of ceased right when I thought she was getting pretty interesting. Sometimes a worker just doesn't leave much of an impact outside of a cursory opinion, and that was the case here. Look, every wrestling fan can't care about every good wrestler. It's a fact of life. Aside from the difference between subjectivity and objectivity, there's just not enough time in the day to have a life and also give a shit about wrestling. In fact, the two can be mutually exclusive at times. So it is, then, that Taylor Wilde is a brief footnote in my wrestling experience. She was pretty good but, well, I was focused on other things during her run in TNA. I will give her credit for being a good babyface, but I've got to admit it here and now, unequivocally in front of everyone: I don't care about the Knockouts that much.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mega Mana 03/26/18 4:06:10 PM #204:	scarletspeed7 posted... #123 - Steve Blackman Nominated by: GOGZero https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSqFGgQkch0" data-time=" Steve Blackman's role in WWE was not to be like The Rock or Steve Austin, because he wasn't much of a talker. However, his likability came from the fact that he had a martial arts prowess. In fact, he was probably the best Hardcore champion thanks to his unique background. There was an air of legitimacy to Blackman that didn't exist elsewhere in WWE, allowing him to fit in on the midcard with a variety of opponents. Anyone from Ken Shamrock to Kane would get the same match out of him, but it was a unique match. Earlier in these rankings, I talked about how WCW would show 8 different matches every week and nowadays on RAW we essentially watch the same match 8 times each episode. Blackman was the type of guy that would allow the Attitude Era RAWs to run different matches. His style was wholly separate from everyone else out there. In terms of charisma, however, he was a Lance Storm level talker. This isn't to say that you have to be a great talker to be a great wrestler. However, when you position yourself as a star in an era of the best talkers in the business, you naturally are going to come across as leaden and uninteresting in comparison. Steve Blackman was, in fact, not The Rock. It got to a point, eventually, where Blackman would be put into comedic backstage segments simply to highlight how stoic he was. And that... kind of worked. Of course, once Lance Storm started doing the same thing (and Lance actually has an amazing dry wit so he knew how to play with the straight man role much better), Blackman's prototype was rendered virtually obsolete. Still, as a Hardcore Championship contender and winner, Blackman excelled. He was Glacier done right. Also, never forget that he came out to Jungle Japes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2j3dOhfTyYU" data-time=" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4SvnbKyRFo" data-time=" --- "In my headcanon, some staffer saw Trump pull out his phone and start typing so they just Terry Tate Office Linebacker'd him out of his shoes." - FFD <cite>Mega Mana posted [p:898532717] in Scarlet Ra... [t:76407656]...</cite> <quote><cite>scarletspeed7 posted...</cite> <quote>#123 - Steve Blackman Nominated by: GOGZero https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSqFGgQkch0" data-time=" Steve Blackman's role in WWE was not to be like The Rock or Steve Austin, because he wasn't much of a talker. However, his likability came from the fact that he had a martial arts prowess. In fact, he was probably the best Hardcore champion thanks to his unique background. There was an air of legitimacy to Blackman that didn't exist elsewhere in WWE, allowing him to fit in on the midcard with a variety of opponents. Anyone from Ken Shamrock to Kane would get the same match out of him, but it was a unique match. Earlier in these rankings, I talked about how WCW would show 8 different matches every week and nowadays on RAW we essentially watch the same match 8 times each episode. Blackman was the type of guy that would allow the Attitude Era RAWs to run different matches. His style was wholly separate from everyone else out there. In terms of charisma, however, he was a Lance Storm level talker. This isn't to say that you have to be a great talker to be a great wrestler. However, when you position yourself as a star in an era of the best talkers in the business, you naturally are going to come across as leaden and uninteresting in comparison. Steve Blackman was, in fact, not The Rock. It got to a point, eventually, where Blackman would be put into comedic backstage segments simply to highlight how stoic he was. And that... kind of worked. Of course, once Lance Storm started doing the same thing (and Lance actually has an amazing dry wit so he knew how to play with the straight man role much better), Blackman's prototype was rendered virtually obsolete. Still, as a Hardcore Championship contender and winner, Blackman excelled. He was Glacier done right. Also, never forget that he came out to Jungle Japes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2j3dOhfTyYU" data-time="</quote> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4SvnbKyRFo" data-time="</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PrestonStarry2 03/26/18 5:00:54 PM #205:	Taylor Wilde was pushed to the moon back in 2008 and ended AWESOME KONG'S winning streak back in 2008. Taylor then proceeds to immediately leave the company shorty thereafter. She retired to become a firefighter in 2010 and was never seen again. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDNuUBsEBL8" data-time=" Seriously Taylor Wilde over Torrie Wilson? Taylor Wilde had legendary matches against Velvet Sky that lasted 35 seconds a piece after ending Awesome Kong's winning streak. I'm getting mad. >_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Who5iC6atE4" data-time=" Her impact was completely forgettable and it's crime Queen Torrie Wilson is lower than her. Same thing will happen with Asuka's winning streak. <cite>PrestonStarry2 posted [p:898535889] in Scarlet Ra... [t:76407656]...</cite> <quote>Taylor Wilde was pushed to the moon back in 2008 and ended AWESOME KONG'S winning streak back in 2008. Taylor then proceeds to immediately leave the company shorty thereafter. She retired to become a firefighter in 2010 and was never seen again. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDNuUBsEBL8" data-time=" Seriously Taylor Wilde over Torrie Wilson? Taylor Wilde had legendary matches against Velvet Sky that lasted 35 seconds a piece after ending Awesome Kong's winning streak. I'm getting mad. >_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Who5iC6atE4" data-time=" Her impact was completely forgettable and it's crime Queen Torrie Wilson is lower than her. Same thing will happen with Asuka's winning streak.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lopen 03/26/18 5:51:24 PM #206:	Yeah, I can't say I'm fan of Taskmaster's promos or matches. Like at all. That guy got go away heat from me whenever he was on TV. He's a guy who I still can't understand why he lasted in wrestling so long-- I mean you just look at him. He's short for a wrestler, not in good shape, can't do high flying. Maybe he technically had okay fundamentals, but he profiles as a guy who should be a career jobber-- he's pretty similar in look and star quality to a guy you just ranked in James Ellsworth, actually. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! <cite>Lopen posted [p:898538837] in Scarlet Ra... [t:76407656]...</cite> <quote>Yeah, I can't say I'm fan of Taskmaster's promos or matches. Like at all. That guy got go away heat from me whenever he was on TV. He's a guy who I still can't understand why he lasted in wrestling so long-- I mean you just look at him. He's short for a wrestler, not in good shape, can't do high flying. Maybe he technically had okay fundamentals, but he profiles as a guy who should be a career jobber-- he's pretty similar in look and star quality to a guy you just ranked in James Ellsworth, actually.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scarletspeed7 03/26/18 6:19:14 PM #207:	The Benoit feud and his booking ability are what raised him up. --- "Reading would be your friend." ~Dave Meltzer <cite>scarletspeed7 posted [p:898540451] in Scarlet Ra... [t:76407656]...</cite> <quote>The Benoit feud and his booking ability are what raised him up.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PrestonStarry2 03/26/18 6:21:34 PM #208:	Rankings So Far 150. Jenna Morasca 149. Ashley Massaro 148. The Great Khali 147. Krissy Vaine 146. The Final Solution 145. Rhaka Khan 144. Dave Crist 143. Rosa Mendes 142. Jackie Gayda 141. Matt Taven 140. Jinder Mahal 139. Heidenreich 138. Bryan Alvarez 137. Enzo Amore 136. Dan Matha 135. The Boogeyman 134. Vladimir Kozlov 133. Santino Marella 132. Glacier 131. Muhammad Hassan 130. Torrie Wilson 129. James Ellsworth 128. Nikki Bella 127. Jay White 126. The Shockmaster 125. Hornswoggle 124. Kevin Sullivan 123. Steve Blackman 122. Barry Darsow 121. Taylor Wilde Who's Left? Adrian Neville AJ Lee AJ Styles Alex Wright Andre the Giant Arn Anderson Asuka Awesome Kong Bayley Becky Lynch Big Boss Man Big Show Billy Graham Bob Holly Bobby Heenan Booker T Braun Strowman Bret Hart Brian Pillman Brock Lesnar Bruiser Brody Buff Bagwell Charlotte Flair Chase Owens Chavo Guerrero Chris Jericho Chris Kanyon Chuck Taylor CM Punk Daffney Dan Lambert Daniel Bryan Dave Meltzer Dean Malenko Diamond Dallas Page Disco Inferno Dusty Rhodes Dynamite Kid Eddie Guerrero Edge Eric Bischoff Ethan Carter III EVIL Finn Balor Goldust Hayabusa Heath Slater Hiromu Takahashi Hirooki Goto Hiroshi Tanahashi Hulk Hogan Hurricane Jacques Rougeau Jake Roberts Jeff Hardy Jesse Ventura John Cena Josh Mathews Juice Robinson Jushin Liger Kairi Sane Kane Kazuchika Okada Kenny Omega Kevin Nash Kota Ibushi Kurt Angle KUSHIDA Lex Luger Lou Thesz Maria Kanellis Mark Henry Matt Hardy Matt Sydal Mick Foley Mickie James Minoru Suzuki Mister Perfect Miz MVP Naomichi Marufuji Pentagon Perry Saturn Randy Savage Raven Rey Mysterio Ric Flair Rich Swann Road Warrior Hawk Roderick Strong Ron Simmons Ronda Rousey SANADA Sasha Banks Scott Norton Scott Steiner Seth Rollins Shawn Michaels Shinsuke Nakamura Sid Vicious Steve Austin Taichi Ted DiBiase Terry Funk Terry Gordy Tetsuya Naito Timothy Thatcher Tommaso Ciampa Tomohiro Ishii Toru Yano Triple H Trish Stratus Tyler Bate Ultimo Dragon Undertaker Vampiro Vickie Guerrero WALTER Will Ospreay William Regal <cite>PrestonStarry2 posted [p:898540579] in Scarlet Ra... [t:76407656]...</cite> <quote>Rankings So Far 150. Jenna Morasca 149. Ashley Massaro 148. The Great Khali 147. Krissy Vaine 146. The Final Solution 145. Rhaka Khan 144. Dave Crist 143. Rosa Mendes 142. Jackie Gayda 141. Matt Taven 140. Jinder Mahal 139. Heidenreich 138. Bryan Alvarez 137. Enzo Amore 136. Dan Matha 135. The Boogeyman 134. Vladimir Kozlov 133. Santino Marella 132. Glacier 131. Muhammad Hassan 130. Torrie Wilson 129. James Ellsworth 128. Nikki Bella 127. Jay White 126. The Shockmaster 125. Hornswoggle 124. Kevin Sullivan 123. Steve Blackman 122. Barry Darsow 121. Taylor Wilde Who's Left? Adrian Neville AJ Lee AJ Styles Alex Wright Andre the Giant Arn Anderson Asuka Awesome Kong Bayley Becky Lynch Big Boss Man Big Show Billy Graham Bob Holly Bobby Heenan Booker T Braun Strowman Bret Hart Brian Pillman Brock Lesnar Bruiser Brody Buff Bagwell Charlotte Flair Chase Owens Chavo Guerrero Chris Jericho Chris Kanyon Chuck Taylor CM Punk Daffney Dan Lambert Daniel Bryan Dave Meltzer Dean Malenko Diamond Dallas Page Disco Inferno Dusty Rhodes Dynamite Kid Eddie Guerrero Edge Eric Bischoff Ethan Carter III EVIL Finn Balor Goldust Hayabusa Heath Slater Hiromu Takahashi Hirooki Goto Hiroshi Tanahashi Hulk Hogan Hurricane Jacques Rougeau Jake Roberts Jeff Hardy Jesse Ventura John Cena Josh Mathews Juice Robinson Jushin Liger Kairi Sane Kane Kazuchika Okada Kenny Omega Kevin Nash Kota Ibushi Kurt Angle KUSHIDA Lex Luger Lou Thesz Maria Kanellis Mark Henry Matt Hardy Matt Sydal Mick Foley Mickie James Minoru Suzuki Mister Perfect Miz MVP Naomichi Marufuji Pentagon Perry Saturn Randy Savage Raven Rey Mysterio Ric Flair Rich Swann Road Warrior Hawk Roderick Strong Ron Simmons Ronda Rousey SANADA Sasha Banks Scott Norton Scott Steiner Seth Rollins Shawn Michaels Shinsuke Nakamura Sid Vicious Steve Austin Taichi Ted DiBiase Terry Funk Terry Gordy Tetsuya Naito Timothy Thatcher Tommaso Ciampa Tomohiro Ishii Toru Yano Triple H Trish Stratus Tyler Bate Ultimo Dragon Undertaker Vampiro Vickie Guerrero WALTER Will Ospreay William Regal</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PrestonStarry2 03/26/18 6:39:53 PM #209:	I SERIOUSLY rate Torrie Wilson higher than Sasha Banks, Charlotte Flair, Bayley and Becky Lynch. WWE's hypocritical in that we can't have bra and panties matches yet, accomplishing and having pointless women's tag matches that end in roll-ups and lasting 2 minutes is further pushing an envelope for your so called "Women's Revolution" Never mind the fact that women like Charlotte Flair have boob jobs to make themselves look attractive on TV. Good job at being a role model for the 10 and young crowd of girls that can look that up at your own fingertips for that. Do you seriously think a Sasha Banks video will ever get a 1 million on YouTube if she's constantly booked 50/50? Give me a frickin' break. And no recap episodes of the show on WWE's official YouTube channel page doesn't count. And Sasha Banks stole her finisher from Carlito. And Emma / Tenille Dashwood stole her finisher from Melina Perez. Bayley's finisher is a frickin' belly to belly suplex. We have Alexa Bliss doing a sparkle splash from the top rope (OMG!!!) and she was able to pull it off and not hurt herself because she has 5 layers of frickin' knee pad protection on her. While a fan one time died imitating Jeff Hardy's Swanton Bomb finisher back in 2007. Paige snorts crack every week and what caused her career to go array and have her career end. And then we have Becky Who Lynch. Exactly. And then we have Naomi and Natalya WHO HAVE BEEN WRESTLING SINCE 2009 and refuse to even upgrade their own move-set. Like any of those girls have star power like Torrie Wilson had to appear in Playboy. Alicia Fox is a lost cause. Dana Brooke got zero reaction in the women's royal rumble match. And Rich Swann got arrested and is higher than Torrie Wilson? WTF? Why is Buff Bagwell still in this? Like 4 real? And then we have Jillian Hall -- worst boob job ever in women's wrestling history. Of course I don't know any else that watches wrestling. Why bother talking about? It's been the John Cena show since 2005 with other gunk where's 80% of the wrestlers take steroids. I'm done. I'm seriously done. <cite>PrestonStarry2 posted [p:898541562] in Scarlet Ra... [t:76407656]...</cite> <quote>I SERIOUSLY rate Torrie Wilson higher than Sasha Banks, Charlotte Flair, Bayley and Becky Lynch. WWE's hypocritical in that we can't have bra and panties matches yet, accomplishing and having pointless women's tag matches that end in roll-ups and lasting 2 minutes is further pushing an envelope for your so called "Women's Revolution" Never mind the fact that women like Charlotte Flair have boob jobs to make themselves look attractive on TV. Good job at being a role model for the 10 and young crowd of girls that can look that up at your own fingertips for that. Do you seriously think a Sasha Banks video will ever get a 1 million on YouTube if she's constantly booked 50/50? Give me a frickin' break. And no recap episodes of the show on WWE's official YouTube channel page doesn't count. And Sasha Banks stole her finisher from Carlito. And Emma / Tenille Dashwood stole her finisher from Melina Perez. Bayley's finisher is a frickin' belly to belly suplex. We have Alexa Bliss doing a sparkle splash from the top rope (OMG!!!) and she was able to pull it off and not hurt herself because she has 5 layers of frickin' knee pad protection on her. While a fan one time died imitating Jeff Hardy's Swanton Bomb finisher back in 2007. Paige snorts crack every week and what caused her career to go array and have her career end. And then we have Becky Who Lynch. Exactly. And then we have Naomi and Natalya WHO HAVE BEEN WRESTLING SINCE 2009 and refuse to even upgrade their own move-set. Like any of those girls have star power like Torrie Wilson had to appear in Playboy. Alicia Fox is a lost cause. Dana Brooke got zero reaction in the women's royal rumble match. And Rich Swann got arrested and is higher than Torrie Wilson? WTF? Why is Buff Bagwell still in this? Like 4 real? And then we have Jillian Hall -- worst boob job ever in women's wrestling history. Of course I don't know any else that watches wrestling. Why bother talking about? It's been the John Cena show since 2005 with other gunk where's 80% of the wrestlers take steroids. I'm done. I'm seriously done.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Eddv 03/26/18 6:44:19 PM #210:	See I am the kind of person who can really find it in him to enjoy schlock like The Alliance to End Hulkamania and stuff like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kx8Xb5VJulQ" data-time=" So on just a really basic level I really enjoyed the Dungeon of Doom and Kevin Sullivans promos for it. I actually think the David Sullivan angle was pretty sound from a characters perspective too though David himself probably should have been an actual wrestler. And i think his role in the Benoit and Pillman feuds was pretty solid too. --- Board 8's Voice of Reason http://i.imgur.com/chXIw06.jpg <cite>Eddv posted [p:898541828] in Scarlet Ra... [t:76407656]...</cite> <quote>See I am the kind of person who can really find it in him to enjoy schlock like The Alliance to End Hulkamania and stuff like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kx8Xb5VJulQ" data-time=" So on just a really basic level I really enjoyed the Dungeon of Doom and Kevin Sullivans promos for it. I actually think the David Sullivan angle was pretty sound from a characters perspective too though David himself probably should have been an actual wrestler. And i think his role in the Benoit and Pillman feuds was pretty solid too.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tom Bombadil 03/26/18 6:48:20 PM #211:	Eddv posted... See I am the kind of person who can really find it in him to enjoy schlock like The Alliance to End Hulkamania and stuff like this: So on just a really basic level I really enjoyed the Dungeon of Doom and Kevin Sullivans promos for it. my dude! --- Look at all those chickens There's a hunger in the land, there's a reckoning still to be reckoned <cite>Tom Bombadil posted [p:898542044] in Scarlet Ra... [t:76407656]...</cite> <quote><cite>Eddv posted...</cite> <quote>See I am the kind of person who can really find it in him to enjoy schlock like The Alliance to End Hulkamania and stuff like this: So on just a really basic level I really enjoyed the Dungeon of Doom and Kevin Sullivans promos for it.</quote> my dude!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lopen 03/26/18 6:51:09 PM #212:	I like schlock plenty But not when it's Sullivan doing it. Guy is bad news. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! <cite>Lopen posted [p:898542220] in Scarlet Ra... [t:76407656]...</cite> <quote>I like schlock plenty But not when it's Sullivan doing it. Guy is bad news.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scarletspeed7 03/26/18 7:09:55 PM #213:	PrestonStarry2 posted... I'm done. I'm seriously done. k bye Also Torrie Wilson ranks lower than the other women you named because in terms of wrestling, she can't and they can. --- "Reading would be your friend." ~Dave Meltzer <cite>scarletspeed7 posted [p:898543398] in Scarlet Ra... [t:76407656]...</cite> <quote><cite>PrestonStarry2 posted...</cite> <quote>I'm done. I'm seriously done. </quote> k bye Also Torrie Wilson ranks lower than the other women you named because in terms of wrestling, she can't and they can.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NBIceman 03/26/18 8:41:23 PM #214:	I enjoyed Taylor Wilde quite a bit. Remember seeing that she was almost in the MYC, would've loved for that to have worked out. --- http://i.imgur.com/UYamul2.gif Spurs - Yankees - Eagles - Golden Knights <cite>NBIceman posted [p:898548512] in Scarlet Ra... [t:76407656]...</cite> <quote>I enjoyed Taylor Wilde quite a bit. Remember seeing that she was almost in the MYC, would've loved for that to have worked out.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Eddv 03/27/18 2:15:40 PM #215:	Up --- Board 8's Voice of Reason http://i.imgur.com/chXIw06.jpg <cite>Eddv posted [p:898588277] in Scarlet Ra... [t:76407656]...</cite> <quote>Up</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scarletspeed7 03/27/18 4:54:34 PM #216:	No write-ups today. I'm on campus. --- "Reading would be your friend." ~Dave Meltzer <cite>scarletspeed7 posted [p:898597349] in Scarlet Ra... [t:76407656]...</cite> <quote>No write-ups today. I'm on campus.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PrestonStarry2 03/27/18 8:13:34 PM #217:	HEY NIDIA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5g49OAlIEs" data-time=" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5g49OAlIEs" data-time=" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5g49OAlIEs" data-time=" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5g49OAlIEs" data-time=" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5g49OAlIEs" data-time=" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5g49OAlIEs" data-time=" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5g49OAlIEs" data-time=" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5g49OAlIEs" data-time=" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5g49OAlIEs" data-time=" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5g49OAlIEs" data-time=" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5g49OAlIEs" data-time=" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5g49OAlIEs" data-time=" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5g49OAlIEs" data-time=" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5g49OAlIEs" data-time=" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5g49OAlIEs" data-time=" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5g49OAlIEs" data-time=" <cite>PrestonStarry2 posted [p:898608599] in Scarlet Ra... [t:76407656]...</cite> <quote>HEY NIDIA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5g49OAlIEs" data-time=" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5g49OAlIEs" data-time=" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5g49OAlIEs" data-time=" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5g49OAlIEs" data-time=" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5g49OAlIEs" data-time=" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5g49OAlIEs" data-time=" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5g49OAlIEs" data-time=" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5g49OAlIEs" data-time=" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5g49OAlIEs" data-time=" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5g49OAlIEs" data-time=" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5g49OAlIEs" data-time=" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5g49OAlIEs" data-time=" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5g49OAlIEs" data-time=" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5g49OAlIEs" data-time=" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5g49OAlIEs" data-time=" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5g49OAlIEs" data-time="</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scarletspeed7 03/28/18 11:08:08 AM #218:	#120 - Ronda Rousey Nominated by: paulg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UsciN7COX1g" data-time=" I really have nothing to say about Ronda. She's a huge mainstream star positioned to be the superstar of the WWE women's division and I wish her every amount of success. She certainly has proven to be above average on the mic, and her vicious staredown is already quite unique. As far as her wrestling, it likely will not debut in all of its rookie glory until Mania and at that point I'll likely be more informed as to what her really value to the company is as a performer. I'm enjoying her first feud well enough (it's the best thing on RAW outside of John Cena delivering some great promos on Undertaker), so for now, the outlook is pretty positive for Ronda. --- "Reading would be your friend." ~Dave Meltzer <cite>scarletspeed7 posted [p:898640983] in Scarlet Ra... [t:76407656]...</cite> <quote>#120 - Ronda Rousey Nominated by: paulg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UsciN7COX1g" data-time=" I really have nothing to say about Ronda. She's a huge mainstream star positioned to be the superstar of the WWE women's division and I wish her every amount of success. She certainly has proven to be above average on the mic, and her vicious staredown is already quite unique. As far as her wrestling, it likely will not debut in all of its rookie glory until Mania and at that point I'll likely be more informed as to what her really value to the company is as a performer. I'm enjoying her first feud well enough (it's the best thing on RAW outside of John Cena delivering some great promos on Undertaker), so for now, the outlook is pretty positive for Ronda.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scarletspeed7 03/28/18 12:02:46 PM #219:	#119 - Bob Holly Nominated by: GOGZero https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MABG5uIvJ_M" data-time=" Recently I've discovered newfound respect for Bob Holly. I realize how this seems, and I apologize for kind of liking a man most wrestling fans seem to hate. But, truly I tell you, it is better to be honest in a ranking topic and take the inevitable punishment you'll receive from a clearly deluded fan of Torrie Wilson fan than to bear falsehoods upon Board 8. And thus I admit here and now that Bob Holly was kind of okay. I've recently started watching ECW on Sci Fi from the beginning, and, aside from some utterly terrible strip poker (THAT DID NOT EVEN ADHERE TO THE RULES OF POKER DAMMIT), I've discovered that somehow they stumbled into a great way to book Holly. Holly has always had a reputation as a bully, but as I've watched shoot interviews and old matches over the years, one thing that has really struck me is how snug Holly liked to work. Personally, Holly's tight and stiff working actually helped convey his matches as more brutal and real than other matches - this is a staple of what I always liked in a Benoit or Guerrero match. While, Holly is not remotely on the level of Benoit, he's definitely the type of undercarder that can enhance the realism of the workers around him, and I think that is crucial and important. He's a guy that actually takes care of the business. This doesn't discount his actions with guys like Daniel Puder on Tough Enough. Holly went overboard in trying to protect the business (something that spawns from an old school attitude), and he doled out 50 buck punishments for 5 dollar crimes. That said, while he certainly has a black hole charisma in real life, I think that he was dealt an unfair hand by guys in interviews. Most of the longterm workers have nothing negative to say about Holly backstage, and it seems like the guys who couldn't hack it often had the most criticism. What I've learned, in the meantime, is that the snug work performed by Holly actually makes him likable on ECW. Despite not being an ECW original, I recently watched a match that made him look like a crazy ECW vet - Holly takes a table spot in a regular ECW match that leaves his back lacerated and bleeding profusely. It's quite an ugly scar. In the meantime, Holly gets up and keeps working the match like a pro - for nearly ten more minutes, Holly pushes it with Rob Van Dam, and I felt like this was an unintentional face turn for Holly's character. Heyman actually completes the impromptu turn the next week, turning Holly into a tough-as-nails wrestler who wants to work and prove himself. It's not the best version of this gimmick, but it comes about organically and as a viewer, I believed it. I'm actually looking forward to see where this takes his character despite being a show from over ten years ago, and that's the sort of timeless booking that impresses me. At the same time, Holly was the victim of bad booking for years and years. While he was a legitimately decent worker, he was saddled with gimmicks that just didn't suit him (hi, Sparky Plugg). He also was thrown into the Hardcore Division - this was not a natural fit, although I think he worked his ass off to prove he could hang there. I guess my big takeaway is that, in an era of JBL bullying, I've softened on Holly in comparison to JBL's behavior and kind of found value in his work. --- "Reading would be your friend." ~Dave Meltzer <cite>scarletspeed7 posted [p:898643805] in Scarlet Ra... [t:76407656]...</cite> <quote>#119 - Bob Holly Nominated by: GOGZero https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MABG5uIvJ_M" data-time=" Recently I've discovered newfound respect for Bob Holly. I realize how this seems, and I apologize for kind of liking a man most wrestling fans seem to hate. But, truly I tell you, it is better to be honest in a ranking topic and take the inevitable punishment you'll receive from a clearly deluded fan of Torrie Wilson fan than to bear falsehoods upon Board 8. And thus I admit here and now that Bob Holly was kind of okay. I've recently started watching ECW on Sci Fi from the beginning, and, aside from some utterly terrible strip poker (THAT DID NOT EVEN ADHERE TO THE RULES OF POKER DAMMIT), I've discovered that somehow they stumbled into a great way to book Holly. Holly has always had a reputation as a bully, but as I've watched shoot interviews and old matches over the years, one thing that has really struck me is how snug Holly liked to work. Personally, Holly's tight and stiff working actually helped convey his matches as more brutal and real than other matches - this is a staple of what I always liked in a Benoit or Guerrero match. While, Holly is not remotely on the level of Benoit, he's definitely the type of undercarder that can enhance the realism of the workers around him, and I think that is crucial and important. He's a guy that actually takes care of the business. This doesn't discount his actions with guys like Daniel Puder on Tough Enough. Holly went overboard in trying to protect the business (something that spawns from an old school attitude), and he doled out 50 buck punishments for 5 dollar crimes. That said, while he certainly has a black hole charisma in real life, I think that he was dealt an unfair hand by guys in interviews. Most of the longterm workers have nothing negative to say about Holly backstage, and it seems like the guys who couldn't hack it often had the most criticism. What I've learned, in the meantime, is that the snug work performed by Holly actually makes him likable on ECW. Despite not being an ECW original, I recently watched a match that made him look like a crazy ECW vet - Holly takes a table spot in a regular ECW match that leaves his back lacerated and bleeding profusely. It's quite an ugly scar. In the meantime, Holly gets up and keeps working the match like a pro - for nearly ten more minutes, Holly pushes it with Rob Van Dam, and I felt like this was an unintentional face turn for Holly's character. Heyman actually completes the impromptu turn the next week, turning Holly into a tough-as-nails wrestler who wants to work and prove himself. It's not the best version of this gimmick, but it comes about organically and as a viewer, I believed it. I'm actually looking forward to see where this takes his character despite being a show from over ten years ago, and that's the sort of timeless booking that impresses me. At the same time, Holly was the victim of bad booking for years and years. While he was a legitimately decent worker, he was saddled with gimmicks that just didn't suit him (hi, Sparky Plugg). He also was thrown into the Hardcore Division - this was not a natural fit, although I think he worked his ass off to prove he could hang there. I guess my big takeaway is that, in an era of JBL bullying, I've softened on Holly in comparison to JBL's behavior and kind of found value in his work.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tom Bombadil 03/28/18 12:08:05 PM #220:	I kinda like Holly too, at least on screen. --- Look at all those chickens There's a hunger in the land, there's a reckoning still to be reckoned <cite>Tom Bombadil posted [p:898644060] in Scarlet Ra... [t:76407656]...</cite> <quote>I kinda like Holly too, at least on screen.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scarletspeed7 03/28/18 1:13:31 PM #221:	#118 - Chris Kanyon Nominated by: GOGZero https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tb1XDUlaAG8" data-time=" I always thought that Kanyon was a bit of an underrated worker. He got stuck with a lot of crap in WCW (having to carry Glacier and a green Ernest Miller through a feud, Positively Kanyon, etc. ) but still stood out at times. I thought his "Alliance MVP" schtick would catch on in the WWF, but like most of the Invasion angle, it was never allowed to get over, and that was pretty much his last shot at the big time. I think there are a lot of reasons why Kanyon never reached the levels he probably could have and they swirl together to create a string of unlucky consecutive breaks for the Positive one. One might even consider this a series of unfortunate events. First of all, having to work in the business as a gay man when homophobia was just so rampant both onscreen and backstage must have been utterly awful. So consider ihs entire career from a position of secrecy and deception and then on top of that consider what feuds he was put in over the years. Firstly, he was stuck as the completely doofy looking Mortis in the terrible Glacierworld that was being built in 1996-97, and that couldn't have done him any favors. But at least the mask was memorable; he was immediately positioned at the bottom of the card after that fell through. Somehow he still found success in the Positively Kanyon gimmick. But that gimmick gained steam at the height of Vince Russo's unbridled creative implosion in WCW, so we were saddled with Kanyon being the forgettable half of a brutally awful feud involving somebody calling their momma: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5ATRZsC_n4" data-time=" Judy Bagwell and a forklift were the lowlights in an otherwise still awful feud that did nothing for Kanyon. And yet, Kanyon seemed to always push himself to create the best feuds he could. I think the DDP-Kanyon feud was one of the brighter spots in an otherwise terrible era of WCW. Perhaps these brief glimmers of quality are what led Kanyon to WWF, but even there, he was left to rot in a world that hated all things WCW. It truly saddens me that a career that could have been great ended in such a futile and forgettable way, and that surely was part of what led Kanyon to depression and suicide. I really have little to say on the subject otherwise, but it's a terrible tragedy and no one should ever be put in a place where that feels like the best option. Of course, pity doesn't help in the rankings. --- "Reading would be your friend." ~Dave Meltzer <cite>scarletspeed7 posted [p:898647596] in Scarlet Ra... [t:76407656]...</cite> <quote>#118 - Chris Kanyon Nominated by: GOGZero https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tb1XDUlaAG8" data-time=" I always thought that Kanyon was a bit of an underrated worker. He got stuck with a lot of crap in WCW (having to carry Glacier and a green Ernest Miller through a feud, Positively Kanyon, etc. ) but still stood out at times. I thought his "Alliance MVP" schtick would catch on in the WWF, but like most of the Invasion angle, it was never allowed to get over, and that was pretty much his last shot at the big time. I think there are a lot of reasons why Kanyon never reached the levels he probably could have and they swirl together to create a string of unlucky consecutive breaks for the Positive one. One might even consider this a series of unfortunate events. First of all, having to work in the business as a gay man when homophobia was just so rampant both onscreen and backstage must have been utterly awful. So consider ihs entire career from a position of secrecy and deception and then on top of that consider what feuds he was put in over the years. Firstly, he was stuck as the completely doofy looking Mortis in the terrible Glacierworld that was being built in 1996-97, and that couldn't have done him any favors. But at least the mask was memorable; he was immediately positioned at the bottom of the card after that fell through. Somehow he still found success in the Positively Kanyon gimmick. But that gimmick gained steam at the height of Vince Russo's unbridled creative implosion in WCW, so we were saddled with Kanyon being the forgettable half of a brutally awful feud involving somebody calling their momma: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5ATRZsC_n4" data-time=" Judy Bagwell and a forklift were the lowlights in an otherwise still awful feud that did nothing for Kanyon. And yet, Kanyon seemed to always push himself to create the best feuds he could. I think the DDP-Kanyon feud was one of the brighter spots in an otherwise terrible era of WCW. Perhaps these brief glimmers of quality are what led Kanyon to WWF, but even there, he was left to rot in a world that hated all things WCW. It truly saddens me that a career that could have been great ended in such a futile and forgettable way, and that surely was part of what led Kanyon to depression and suicide. I really have little to say on the subject otherwise, but it's a terrible tragedy and no one should ever be put in a place where that feels like the best option. Of course, pity doesn't help in the rankings.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lopen 03/28/18 5:51:03 PM #222:	I really think Kanyon would've had a more successful career if he just stayed as Mortis. Mortis looked pretty badass and I think Kanyon's wrestling style of just throwing out a bunch of random ass should be a finisher level moves at all times fit a masked character much better. And that music was great. I do like Kanyon either way but yeah. Positively Kanyon gimmick aside (which to be fair, was awesome) I'm not sure he gained all that much from being able to talk and emote freely. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! <cite>Lopen posted [p:898663170] in Scarlet Ra... [t:76407656]...</cite> <quote>I really think Kanyon would've had a more successful career if he just stayed as Mortis. Mortis looked pretty badass and I think Kanyon's wrestling style of just throwing out a bunch of random ass should be a finisher level moves at all times fit a masked character much better. And that music was great. I do like Kanyon either way but yeah. Positively Kanyon gimmick aside (which to be fair, was awesome) I'm not sure he gained all that much from being able to talk and emote freely.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PrestonStarry2 03/28/18 8:45:01 PM #223:	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZbzOTB2fPQ" data-time=" <cite>PrestonStarry2 posted [p:898672930] in Scarlet Ra... [t:76407656]...</cite> <quote> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZbzOTB2fPQ" data-time="</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scarletspeed7 03/29/18 9:17:35 PM #224:	Today was a campus day, so no write-ups. --- "Reading would be your friend." ~Dave Meltzer <cite>scarletspeed7 posted [p:898735918] in Scarlet Ra... [t:76407656]...</cite> <quote>Today was a campus day, so no write-ups.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scarletspeed7 03/30/18 11:09:42 AM #225:	#117 - Vickie Guerrero Nominated by: Tom Bombadil https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBgmcwVhGdQ" data-time=" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cn6n2ipNsKI" data-time=" I think opinions on Vickie Guerrero vary wildly and generally it all depends on an individuals own wrestling background. For me, a lot of the worst of Vickie doesn't exist; I missed a huge chunk of it when I went on a wrestling hiatus for a while. However, what I've watched back and experienced years later is more positive than I remember. Perhaps it's because that, despite being given a lot of the most pivotal segments in the last 5 years, Stephanie McMahon and even Triple H actually pale in comparison at times to what Vickie could do. Her work with guys like Edge and Dolph Ziggler was just excellent, and the basic conceit of her character was twisted and yet realistic at the same time. I'll ask you all to consider for a moment Courtney Love. In a way similar to Vickie Guerrero, Courtney Love sort of spiraled out of control after the death of Cobain, and similarly Vickie Guerrero's actions could easily be interpreted from the outset of her character's debut in WWE as those of a grieving widow. As she flitted between obsessions with various wrestlers, there is this underlying motif of how to fill the void Eddie has left. Her attitude and demeanor has changed wildly from the somewhat demure hausfrau that had originally appeared extremely sporadically on camera alongside Latino Heat. But it was clear that Eddie and Vickie were very much in love. So the consequences of such a young and untimely death leads to a catastrophic shift in behavior. Vickie evolves, and she's the poorer for it. Now I'm not saying that WWE is this insightful in their writing and booking. In fact, so many Vickie Guerrero segments are pedantic, childish and downright pointless. But there is a way to view a storyline through the lens of an adult and a way to easily sit back and accept what is on the TV screen as enough. I personally like to try to find layers and motifs that build a character, and the loss of Eddie is such a transformative moment in both wrestling and the lives of his family that I think there's no way you CAN'T find some hidden insight in how it impacts Vickie's character. Ultimately, when Vickie Guerrero leaves WWE to pursue a career outside of wrestling, the character's journey has reached resolution in regards to the death of her beloved husband, and from the standpoint of a fan, that is a perfect happy ending. It's a bittersweet departure if you look at it from a certain point of view. --- "Reading would be your friend." ~Dave Meltzer <cite>scarletspeed7 posted [p:898762065] in Scarlet Ra... [t:76407656]...</cite> <quote>#117 - Vickie Guerrero Nominated by: Tom Bombadil https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBgmcwVhGdQ" data-time=" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cn6n2ipNsKI" data-time=" I think opinions on Vickie Guerrero vary wildly and generally it all depends on an individuals own wrestling background. For me, a lot of the worst of Vickie doesn't exist; I missed a huge chunk of it when I went on a wrestling hiatus for a while. However, what I've watched back and experienced years later is more positive than I remember. Perhaps it's because that, despite being given a lot of the most pivotal segments in the last 5 years, Stephanie McMahon and even Triple H actually pale in comparison at times to what Vickie could do. Her work with guys like Edge and Dolph Ziggler was just excellent, and the basic conceit of her character was twisted and yet realistic at the same time. I'll ask you all to consider for a moment Courtney Love. In a way similar to Vickie Guerrero, Courtney Love sort of spiraled out of control after the death of Cobain, and similarly Vickie Guerrero's actions could easily be interpreted from the outset of her character's debut in WWE as those of a grieving widow. As she flitted between obsessions with various wrestlers, there is this underlying motif of how to fill the void Eddie has left. Her attitude and demeanor has changed wildly from the somewhat demure hausfrau that had originally appeared extremely sporadically on camera alongside Latino Heat. But it was clear that Eddie and Vickie were very much in love. So the consequences of such a young and untimely death leads to a catastrophic shift in behavior. Vickie evolves, and she's the poorer for it. Now I'm not saying that WWE is this insightful in their writing and booking. In fact, so many Vickie Guerrero segments are pedantic, childish and downright pointless. But there is a way to view a storyline through the lens of an adult and a way to easily sit back and accept what is on the TV screen as enough. I personally like to try to find layers and motifs that build a character, and the loss of Eddie is such a transformative moment in both wrestling and the lives of his family that I think there's no way you CAN'T find some hidden insight in how it impacts Vickie's character. Ultimately, when Vickie Guerrero leaves WWE to pursue a career outside of wrestling, the character's journey has reached resolution in regards to the death of her beloved husband, and from the standpoint of a fan, that is a perfect happy ending. It's a bittersweet departure if you look at it from a certain point of view.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PrestonStarry2 03/30/18 11:38:15 AM #226:	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cBkGgF9hE8" data-time=" <cite>PrestonStarry2 posted [p:898763473] in Scarlet Ra... [t:76407656]...</cite> <quote> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cBkGgF9hE8" data-time="</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scarletspeed7 03/30/18 12:03:49 PM #228:	#116 - Chase Owens Nominated by: Girugamesh No video found. Chase Owens is an above-average wrestler who has the auspicious distinction of being the least relevant member of the Bullet Club, a group that includes Hangman Page. I've been wracking my brain to think of anything substantive value to say about Owens, but I've just got nothing. He has matches. They're pretty good. Then I promptly move on to watching the utterly delightful Cody Rhodes or Kenny Omega and forget about Owens. Sorry Chase Owens. You're not even the best wrestler with the last name Owens. --- "Reading would be your friend." ~Dave Meltzer <cite>scarletspeed7 posted [p:898764586] in Scarlet Ra... [t:76407656]...</cite> <quote>#116 - Chase Owens Nominated by: Girugamesh No video found. Chase Owens is an above-average wrestler who has the auspicious distinction of being the least relevant member of the Bullet Club, a group that includes Hangman Page. I've been wracking my brain to think of anything substantive value to say about Owens, but I've just got nothing. He has matches. They're pretty good. Then I promptly move on to watching the utterly delightful Cody Rhodes or Kenny Omega and forget about Owens. Sorry Chase Owens. You're not even the best wrestler with the last name Owens.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scarletspeed7 03/30/18 1:02:49 PM #229:	#115 - Disco Inferno Nominated by: Lopen https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hYFMn2LL2E" data-time=" I believe that Disco has a couple really staunch allies on this board, so I'll tread carefully here. Disco comes from a school of booking more conservative than Vince Russo's, which means that he actually does care about the business a little bit. The result is that, despite being the perennial geek in WCW, it worked pretty well. Disco was the type of heel that could garner cheap and easy heat well, and he was willing to deliver as a jobber in order to promote a rising face well. There was a really positive use to Disco as a lower card guy. He had personality, he had a unique presence in the ring, and he used it in the exact way he should have. Now, Disco is probably best known these days for his bizarre booking suggestions that arose in shoot interviews. Supposedly, he pitched an alien invasion of WCW in the waning days of the company - I, personally, think this would have been better than David Arquette winning the belt. So in a sense, I guess I would have preferred this to what we got. Inferno also infamously came up with the gimmick for Bill Ding, an evil construction worker turned wrestler. That's so bad that it's almost good. If you ever have the opportunity to watch Disco in a shoot interview, I highly recommend it. Despite what I appreciate in Disco's career, I have to say that as a lower card guy, my attention was focused elsewhere. Part of the charm of WCW was that they threw so much shit against the wall that there was bound to be someone you liked in its heyday. Disco was just not my guy in the company. He smacked of WWF for me when I was a WCW guy, and that meant I was less interested in him than others around him. Of course, with WWF completely engulfing most of the wrestling world, I rewatch the old WCW shows and appreciate Disco more for the role he played. Still, he's not a superlative. He's just a guy playing a role and performing a job. --- "Reading would be your friend." ~Dave Meltzer <cite>scarletspeed7 posted [p:898767505] in Scarlet Ra... [t:76407656]...</cite> <quote>#115 - Disco Inferno Nominated by: Lopen https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hYFMn2LL2E" data-time=" I believe that Disco has a couple really staunch allies on this board, so I'll tread carefully here. Disco comes from a school of booking more conservative than Vince Russo's, which means that he actually does care about the business a little bit. The result is that, despite being the perennial geek in WCW, it worked pretty well. Disco was the type of heel that could garner cheap and easy heat well, and he was willing to deliver as a jobber in order to promote a rising face well. There was a really positive use to Disco as a lower card guy. He had personality, he had a unique presence in the ring, and he used it in the exact way he should have. Now, Disco is probably best known these days for his bizarre booking suggestions that arose in shoot interviews. Supposedly, he pitched an alien invasion of WCW in the waning days of the company - I, personally, think this would have been better than David Arquette winning the belt. So in a sense, I guess I would have preferred this to what we got. Inferno also infamously came up with the gimmick for Bill Ding, an evil construction worker turned wrestler. That's so bad that it's almost good. If you ever have the opportunity to watch Disco in a shoot interview, I highly recommend it. Despite what I appreciate in Disco's career, I have to say that as a lower card guy, my attention was focused elsewhere. Part of the charm of WCW was that they threw so much shit against the wall that there was bound to be someone you liked in its heyday. Disco was just not my guy in the company. He smacked of WWF for me when I was a WCW guy, and that meant I was less interested in him than others around him. Of course, with WWF completely engulfing most of the wrestling world, I rewatch the old WCW shows and appreciate Disco more for the role he played. Still, he's not a superlative. He's just a guy playing a role and performing a job.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ZeroSignal620 03/30/18 1:26:26 PM #230:	Disco Inferno was a dude I knew would never be in the main event ranks of WCW, but he took a cheesy gimmick and went full on with it. I also enjoyed his time as "Disqo" in the Filthy Animals stable. --- Formerly known as Raven 2 http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/ZeroSignal620.png <cite>ZeroSignal620 posted [p:898768632] in Scarlet Ra... [t:76407656]...</cite> <quote>Disco Inferno was a dude I knew would never be in the main event ranks of WCW, but he took a cheesy gimmick and went full on with it. I also enjoyed his time as "Disqo" in the Filthy Animals stable.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scarletspeed7 03/30/18 1:28:20 PM #231:	ZeroSignal620 posted... Disco Inferno was a dude I knew would never be in the main event ranks of WCW, but he took a cheesy gimmick and went full on with it. I also enjoyed his time as "Disqo" in the Filthy Animals stable. I enjoyed very very little about Filthy Animals, personally. I think I was immediately put off of it with unmaskings. --- "Reading would be your friend." ~Dave Meltzer <cite>scarletspeed7 posted [p:898768721] in Scarlet Ra... [t:76407656]...</cite> <quote><cite>ZeroSignal620 posted...</cite> <quote>Disco Inferno was a dude I knew would never be in the main event ranks of WCW, but he took a cheesy gimmick and went full on with it. I also enjoyed his time as "Disqo" in the Filthy Animals stable.</quote> I enjoyed very very little about Filthy Animals, personally. I think I was immediately put off of it with unmaskings.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ZeroSignal620 03/30/18 1:31:12 PM #232:	scarletspeed7 posted... I enjoyed very very little about Filthy Animals, personally. I think I was immediately put off of it with unmaskings. Same here for the most part, but I could always rely on Disqo. --- Formerly known as Raven 2 http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/ZeroSignal620.png <cite>ZeroSignal620 posted [p:898768874] in Scarlet Ra... [t:76407656]...</cite> <quote><cite>scarletspeed7 posted...</cite> <quote>I enjoyed very very little about Filthy Animals, personally. I think I was immediately put off of it with unmaskings.</quote> Same here for the most part, but I could always rely on Disqo.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scarletspeed7 03/30/18 1:34:44 PM #233:	When I get to that point of my rewatch of Nitro, I shall pay particular attention to him and let you know what I think! --- "Reading would be your friend." ~Dave Meltzer <cite>scarletspeed7 posted [p:898769050] in Scarlet Ra... [t:76407656]...</cite> <quote>When I get to that point of my rewatch of Nitro, I shall pay particular attention to him and let you know what I think!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scarletspeed7 03/30/18 2:05:16 PM #234:	#116 - Sasha Banks Nominated by: Inviso https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x77KoX7Y7bk" data-time=" I actively hate Sasha Banks nowadays, and before you utterly destroy me on another Controversy Equals Cash opinion, let me explain why: I fear Sasha Banks. Much like another wrestler on this list, Sasha Banks wrestles so recklessly that I find no enjoyment in watching her wrestle. When I combine that with her main roster career, I've really found that I've not enjoyed any aspect of her run here yet. I really cringe when she does suicidal moves because I haven't seen her demonstrate that she's a safe worker in my estimation. I find it extremely difficult to accept that she may have improved because quite frankly she hasn't done anything since she traded titles with Charlotte that would suggest any such thing. And, in point of fact, it's that period of time that I disliked the most. Sasha and Charlotte shared a feud that I found so irritating and contrived that it really drove me to prefer the Smackdown division near its outset. I actually even like hot potato title changes when done right, but this felt contrived and marketed, and not organic. Much like Sasha's weave. Naomi winning the title actually felt more organic over on Smackdown, similar to how Becky originally won the title. In fact, Becky feels like a true babyface in the women's division to me. Sasha has always been a cocky tweener type character, but after watching botches followed by a very stagnant and lackluster year, I feel like it's unearned cockiness. And her gimmick then becomes grating on me because it just doesn't mean anything. I guess the biggest issue is that I don't know why Sasha exists in WWE. Characters need purpose, and Sasha's has been so half-assed. For almost a year there has been a heel turn primed, and now that it's finally been triggered, it doesn't work for me. Gone are the days where she wowed me in NXT. The writing really killed her character on the main roster and despite a fantastic developmental run, she has go-home heat with me now. I don't want to watch her. I've chewed up and spat out the main roster women and I'm ready for the NXT crop to move up. --- "Reading would be your friend." ~Dave Meltzer <cite>scarletspeed7 posted [p:898770535] in Scarlet Ra... [t:76407656]...</cite> <quote>#116 - Sasha Banks Nominated by: Inviso https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x77KoX7Y7bk" data-time=" I actively hate Sasha Banks nowadays, and before you utterly destroy me on another Controversy Equals Cash opinion, let me explain why: I fear Sasha Banks. Much like another wrestler on this list, Sasha Banks wrestles so recklessly that I find no enjoyment in watching her wrestle. When I combine that with her main roster career, I've really found that I've not enjoyed any aspect of her run here yet. I really cringe when she does suicidal moves because I haven't seen her demonstrate that she's a safe worker in my estimation. I find it extremely difficult to accept that she may have improved because quite frankly she hasn't done anything since she traded titles with Charlotte that would suggest any such thing. And, in point of fact, it's that period of time that I disliked the most. Sasha and Charlotte shared a feud that I found so irritating and contrived that it really drove me to prefer the Smackdown division near its outset. I actually even like hot potato title changes when done right, but this felt contrived and marketed, and not organic. Much like Sasha's weave. Naomi winning the title actually felt more organic over on Smackdown, similar to how Becky originally won the title. In fact, Becky feels like a true babyface in the women's division to me. Sasha has always been a cocky tweener type character, but after watching botches followed by a very stagnant and lackluster year, I feel like it's unearned cockiness. And her gimmick then becomes grating on me because it just doesn't mean anything. I guess the biggest issue is that I don't know why Sasha exists in WWE. Characters need purpose, and Sasha's has been so half-assed. For almost a year there has been a heel turn primed, and now that it's finally been triggered, it doesn't work for me. Gone are the days where she wowed me in NXT. The writing really killed her character on the main roster and despite a fantastic developmental run, she has go-home heat with me now. I don't want to watch her. I've chewed up and spat out the main roster women and I'm ready for the NXT crop to move up.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NBIceman 03/30/18 2:44:24 PM #235:	Sasha is one of the biggest victims on the transition in presentation style from NXT to the main roster. "The Boss" used to be a moniker that supported her gimmick, but immediately upon her main roster debut it pretty much became her gimmick with no real life or context to it. Then there's the match rehearsal stuff that I've gone over plenty of times and don't need to do again. --- http://i.imgur.com/UYamul2.gif Spurs - Yankees - Eagles - Golden Knights <cite>NBIceman posted [p:898772524] in Scarlet Ra... [t:76407656]...</cite> <quote>Sasha is one of the biggest victims on the transition in presentation style from NXT to the main roster. "The Boss" used to be a moniker that supported her gimmick, but immediately upon her main roster debut it pretty much became her gimmick with no real life or context to it. Then there's the match rehearsal stuff that I've gone over plenty of times and don't need to do again.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Eddv 03/30/18 2:48:43 PM #236:	Yeah I too find myself unable to enjoy Sasha. From the very beginning she has DESPERATELY needed some muscle mass. You CANNOT have her in segments overpowering Becky or ESPECIALLY Charlotte when shes like a foot shorter and has absolutely no muscle on her body at all. Like Alexa Bliss is NEVER shown overpowering people and that's to her characters extreme benefit. Its sort of ironic but at no point did the boss feel LEGIT to me outside the Bayley feud. Top it off with the fact that her character has no goals, or motivations and she's like the ultimate in woman heels for me Setting aside all of that she is literally going to kill someone some day. She is the person literally all of Louisianas wrestling rules are written for. She very nearly killed Sonya Deville at elimination chamber and thats not okay. --- Board 8's Voice of Reason http://i.imgur.com/chXIw06.jpg <cite>Eddv posted [p:898772743] in Scarlet Ra... [t:76407656]...</cite> <quote>Yeah I too find myself unable to enjoy Sasha. From the very beginning she has DESPERATELY needed some muscle mass. You CANNOT have her in segments overpowering Becky or ESPECIALLY Charlotte when shes like a foot shorter and has absolutely no muscle on her body at all. Like Alexa Bliss is NEVER shown overpowering people and that's to her characters extreme benefit. Its sort of ironic but at no point did the boss feel LEGIT to me outside the Bayley feud. Top it off with the fact that her character has no goals, or motivations and she's like the ultimate in woman heels for me Setting aside all of that she is literally going to kill someone some day. She is the person literally all of Louisianas wrestling rules are written for. She very nearly killed Sonya Deville at elimination chamber and thats not okay.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scarletspeed7 03/30/18 2:49:58 PM #237:	Eddv posted... She is the person literally all of Louisianas wrestling rules are written for. This made me laugh so damn hard, but it's totally true. Forget Hangman Page. Minoru Suzuki should be mad at Sasha Banks! --- "Reading would be your friend." ~Dave Meltzer <cite>scarletspeed7 posted [p:898772818] in Scarlet Ra... [t:76407656]...</cite> <quote><cite>Eddv posted...</cite> <quote>She is the person literally all of Louisianas wrestling rules are written for. </quote> This made me laugh so damn hard, but it's totally true. Forget Hangman Page. Minoru Suzuki should be mad at Sasha Banks!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ZeroSignal620 03/30/18 3:09:38 PM #238:	I don't really care for Sasha either. What still amuses me to this day is that since coming to the main roster, Sasha's a 4-time women's champion and still never successfully defended the title once. --- Formerly known as Raven 2 http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/ZeroSignal620.png <cite>ZeroSignal620 posted [p:898773889] in Scarlet Ra... [t:76407656]...</cite> <quote>I don't really care for Sasha either. What still amuses me to this day is that since coming to the main roster, Sasha's a 4-time women's champion and still never successfully defended the title once.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
voltch 03/30/18 3:12:59 PM #239:	Sasha is very cringeworthy. She borrows heavily from a lot of wrestlers she admired, but she ignores how those same wrestlers implemented that stuff much more effectively. It's like Joe in Japan, only worse. --- Congrats to Eli Ayase's #1 fan BK_Sheikah00 on winning the BYIG Guru Contest. <cite>voltch posted [p:898774074] in Scarlet Ra... [t:76407656]...</cite> <quote>Sasha is very cringeworthy. She borrows heavily from a lot of wrestlers she admired, but she ignores how those same wrestlers implemented that stuff much more effectively. It's like Joe in Japan, only worse.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lopen 03/30/18 3:52:37 PM #240:	Disco too low! Legitimately think he was probably the best worker in WCW's lower card (like, sub US Title level guys) and he really went in with his gimmick-- solid mic work and charisma, good at interacting with the audience and reading the crowd. Just an all around good guy to have around. I don't think he gets enough credit for his actual wrestling because he wrestled a very non-flashy style and would be selling more of the match than not most of the time, and ended up in a more minor section of the card, but his matches are actually really good for their purpose-- he's not going to 'steal the show' but that's completely fine. He knew his role and played it really well. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! <cite>Lopen posted [p:898776071] in Scarlet Ra... [t:76407656]...</cite> <quote>Disco too low! Legitimately think he was probably the best worker in WCW's lower card (like, sub US Title level guys) and he really went in with his gimmick-- solid mic work and charisma, good at interacting with the audience and reading the crowd. Just an all around good guy to have around. I don't think he gets enough credit for his actual wrestling because he wrestled a very non-flashy style and would be selling more of the match than not most of the time, and ended up in a more minor section of the card, but his matches are actually really good for their purpose-- he's not going to 'steal the show' but that's completely fine. He knew his role and played it really well.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scarletspeed7 03/31/18 11:00:45 AM #241:	#115 - MVP Nominated by: Lopen https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NMlddaMUiEw" data-time=" Channeling the diva-like personas of the NFL wide receivers of the era, Montel Vontavious Porter stood out in a crowded midcard in 2006-2008 Smackdown. MVP's gimmick, flashiness and confidence on the mic helped make up for adequate ring work. Porter was able to improve by being in the ring with veterans like Finlay, Benoit, Regal, Hardy and Kane. His United States Championship run and his feud with Matt Hardy improved his stock as played the cowardly yet cocky heel very well. However, after losing his U. S. title run, he went on a losing streak and that hurt him more than anything. Losing to Kung Fu Naki and Slam Master J does not a believable upper midcarder make. Soon, he was traded to RAW, and just didn't have the same spark even after a face turn which contradicted the core of his character. Since moving on from the WWE, he was the IGWP IC champion but soon on the outs. MVP then went TNA, and never really was able to build a solid program and was out. It's this period of time after MVP's initial foray into WWE that really kills his ranking for me. For a long time, I truly backed MVP. As a character he was fresh, his costuming was always in stark contrast to those around him, and his athleticism was unique on a brand full of guys with other unique styles. But once the excitement began to wear off, torpor set in, and it became clear that MVP had developed some apathy for his in-ring work. He's one of several talents that I think got lost in the shuffle and then lost their groove because of it. The mid 2000s really did a number on a lot of budding talent such as MVP, Shelton, Kofi, etc. I'm sensing a pattern there, but I'm not sure what. Anyways, his time outside of WWE has been just abysmal and that truly is what sinks MVP into midcard status on this list. --- "Reading would be your friend." ~Dave Meltzer <cite>scarletspeed7 posted [p:898816234] in Scarlet Ra... [t:76407656]...</cite> <quote>#115 - MVP Nominated by: Lopen https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NMlddaMUiEw" data-time=" Channeling the diva-like personas of the NFL wide receivers of the era, Montel Vontavious Porter stood out in a crowded midcard in 2006-2008 Smackdown. MVP's gimmick, flashiness and confidence on the mic helped make up for adequate ring work. Porter was able to improve by being in the ring with veterans like Finlay, Benoit, Regal, Hardy and Kane. His United States Championship run and his feud with Matt Hardy improved his stock as played the cowardly yet cocky heel very well. However, after losing his U. S. title run, he went on a losing streak and that hurt him more than anything. Losing to Kung Fu Naki and Slam Master J does not a believable upper midcarder make. Soon, he was traded to RAW, and just didn't have the same spark even after a face turn which contradicted the core of his character. Since moving on from the WWE, he was the IGWP IC champion but soon on the outs. MVP then went TNA, and never really was able to build a solid program and was out. It's this period of time after MVP's initial foray into WWE that really kills his ranking for me. For a long time, I truly backed MVP. As a character he was fresh, his costuming was always in stark contrast to those around him, and his athleticism was unique on a brand full of guys with other unique styles. But once the excitement began to wear off, torpor set in, and it became clear that MVP had developed some apathy for his in-ring work. He's one of several talents that I think got lost in the shuffle and then lost their groove because of it. The mid 2000s really did a number on a lot of budding talent such as MVP, Shelton, Kofi, etc. I'm sensing a pattern there, but I'm not sure what. Anyways, his time outside of WWE has been just abysmal and that truly is what sinks MVP into midcard status on this list.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PrestonStarry2 03/31/18 12:53:25 PM #242:	LIKE TROPICANA i GOT THE JUICE <cite>PrestonStarry2 posted [p:898820656] in Scarlet Ra... [t:76407656]...</cite> <quote>LIKE TROPICANA i GOT THE JUICE</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scarletspeed7 03/31/18 12:59:24 PM #243:	#114 - Buff Bagwell Nominated by: Tom Bombadil https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHAQiYz7NU0" data-time=" While Buff might not have truly made it as a main event singles wrestler, he had the physique and personality to do well as a mid-to-upper-midcarder. As a babyface he had a certain infectious enthusiasm that made him easy to root for, and also made a good obnoxious heel as a member of the NWO. In terms of ring-work he probably was at his best in the tag team ranks, whether with the NWO (where he mainly teamed with Scott Norton) or earlier tag runs with 2 Cold Scorpio and Scotty Riggs. After WCW closed he went to WWE for a single appearance that crashed and burned and never really returned to the national spotlight on a regular basis. I think I heard that he works as a male escort now and more power to him for that, I guess. My feelings on Buff Bagwell lean to the positive for nostalgia purposes. I think as a younger wrestler he was actually pretty underrated. The American Males team was pretty enjoyable for what it was, and he fit in pretty well wherever he went as a tag team member. Of course, I would mention Judy Bagwell on a pole if I hadn't mentioned it already. That's the gimmick that pretty much killed him in the rankings, if you're keeping score at home. Next! --- "Reading would be your friend." ~Dave Meltzer <cite>scarletspeed7 posted [p:898820939] in Scarlet Ra... [t:76407656]...</cite> <quote>#114 - Buff Bagwell Nominated by: Tom Bombadil https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHAQiYz7NU0" data-time=" While Buff might not have truly made it as a main event singles wrestler, he had the physique and personality to do well as a mid-to-upper-midcarder. As a babyface he had a certain infectious enthusiasm that made him easy to root for, and also made a good obnoxious heel as a member of the NWO. In terms of ring-work he probably was at his best in the tag team ranks, whether with the NWO (where he mainly teamed with Scott Norton) or earlier tag runs with 2 Cold Scorpio and Scotty Riggs. After WCW closed he went to WWE for a single appearance that crashed and burned and never really returned to the national spotlight on a regular basis. I think I heard that he works as a male escort now and more power to him for that, I guess. My feelings on Buff Bagwell lean to the positive for nostalgia purposes. I think as a younger wrestler he was actually pretty underrated. The American Males team was pretty enjoyable for what it was, and he fit in pretty well wherever he went as a tag team member. Of course, I would mention Judy Bagwell on a pole if I hadn't mentioned it already. That's the gimmick that pretty much killed him in the rankings, if you're keeping score at home. Next!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scarletspeed7 03/31/18 1:08:14 PM #244:	#113 - Big Boss Man Nominated by: IHateThisCPU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_sfNbX8-chU" data-time=" Big Bubba Rogers in WCW was such a vastly different character than Big Boss Man in WWF. For me, I never enjoyed the character that punished my TV viewing habits by simply appearing on the screen in WWF. Whether he was battling one of his own prisoners in the early 90s or crashing the funeral of Big Show's father in the late 90s, Boss Man was boring. And, if you'll indulge me for a moment, I have a hard time believing that Big Show's father had died at the time in which they were claiming he did. Consider for a moment that when Big Show debuted, it was in WCW in 1995. He debuted the year after his father supposedly died. For, you see, Big Show's father was none other than... Andre the Giant. Never forget that Big Show was presented as Andre's son coming to seek revenge against Hulk Hogan (something he did actually get a couple of times). So Big Show's father essentially died twice in wrestling. I wonder how Andre feels about Big Boss Man ruining his own funeral. When Boss Man wasn't torturing us with the interminable Kennel from hell match, he was working in WCW as Big Bubba Rogers. I always thought his WCW presented a leaner and meaner kind of wrestler. He always seemed trimmed down, more agile and generally more competent at wrestling when he was working the southern promotion. Granted, he was hardly ever given showcase time down there, but he felt more real and more lethal. And when a wrestler cheated in WCW, it always felt more vicious to me, so often I would experience a more visceral hatred for cheaters in WCW than in WWF (where it seemed that everyone was always cheating). But Boss Man's WWF runs always bored me to tears, so here lies the greatest resident of Cobb County, Georgia. Before I forget... worst funeral ever: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhSh35ryueA" data-time=" --- "Reading would be your friend." ~Dave Meltzer <cite>scarletspeed7 posted [p:898821339] in Scarlet Ra... [t:76407656]...</cite> <quote>#113 - Big Boss Man Nominated by: IHateThisCPU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_sfNbX8-chU" data-time=" Big Bubba Rogers in WCW was such a vastly different character than Big Boss Man in WWF. For me, I never enjoyed the character that punished my TV viewing habits by simply appearing on the screen in WWF. Whether he was battling one of his own prisoners in the early 90s or crashing the funeral of Big Show's father in the late 90s, Boss Man was boring. And, if you'll indulge me for a moment, I have a hard time believing that Big Show's father had died at the time in which they were claiming he did. Consider for a moment that when Big Show debuted, it was in WCW in 1995. He debuted the year after his father supposedly died. For, you see, Big Show's father was none other than... Andre the Giant. Never forget that Big Show was presented as Andre's son coming to seek revenge against Hulk Hogan (something he did actually get a couple of times). So Big Show's father essentially died twice in wrestling. I wonder how Andre feels about Big Boss Man ruining his own funeral. When Boss Man wasn't torturing us with the interminable Kennel from hell match, he was working in WCW as Big Bubba Rogers. I always thought his WCW presented a leaner and meaner kind of wrestler. He always seemed trimmed down, more agile and generally more competent at wrestling when he was working the southern promotion. Granted, he was hardly ever given showcase time down there, but he felt more real and more lethal. And when a wrestler cheated in WCW, it always felt more vicious to me, so often I would experience a more visceral hatred for cheaters in WCW than in WWF (where it seemed that everyone was always cheating). But Boss Man's WWF runs always bored me to tears, so here lies the greatest resident of Cobb County, Georgia. Before I forget... worst funeral ever: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhSh35ryueA" data-time="</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lopen 03/31/18 1:23:31 PM #245:	Love MVP but can't disagree with the writeup at all. Just as usual goes to our fundamental ranking divergence where I value the good more than the bad whereas you're more big picture. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! <cite>Lopen posted [p:898822003] in Scarlet Ra... [t:76407656]...</cite> <quote>Love MVP but can't disagree with the writeup at all. Just as usual goes to our fundamental ranking divergence where I value the good more than the bad whereas you're more big picture.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scarletspeed7 03/31/18 1:26:15 PM #246:	It's interesting because, if I was fantasy booking, I would definitely be utilizing guys like MVP much more than you would expect. I'm a fan of what could have been, I guess. I agree that I probably weigh the overall career more than many people would. --- "Reading would be your friend." ~Dave Meltzer <cite>scarletspeed7 posted [p:898822116] in Scarlet Ra... [t:76407656]...</cite> <quote>It's interesting because, if I was fantasy booking, I would definitely be utilizing guys like MVP much more than you would expect. I'm a fan of what could have been, I guess. I agree that I probably weigh the overall career more than many people would.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scarletspeed7 03/31/18 2:01:26 PM #247:	#110 - Heath Slater Nominated by: Mega Mana https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pgfYhmNTV2s" data-time=" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZrUHOOCZ3E" data-time=" Heath Slater seems like a hell of a guy, but I just can't justify ranking him any higher. Heath's "aw shucks" personality he portrays these days works wonders in making him a perennial lower card babyface, but his talent isn't on the level of some of the top guys in the company. That said, he is a true entertainer in WWE, someone who should be given more consistent segment time. Note that I'm not saying wrestling time. Heath is an extremely unremarkable wrestler. What works for Heath is that people can easily get behind him. He shoulders the burden of being likable. That's why, oddly, the tag team of Slater and Rhyno was so perfect. Rhyno was the straight man with occasional moments of humor, but the team relied on the propulsion of Heath's popularity to get the team over after the most recent brand split. The story of Heath being "the hottest free agent" started off well - it was unique and hadn't been done before, and at the same time it was heartwarming. Daniel Bryan and Shane McMahon saw something special in Heath and, despite rejection from Stephanie, Heath found a home. Fans were able to get behind Heath's journey and when Slater and Rhyno eventually won the tag titles together, it was just a perfect babyface moment. It relied on the storytelling and Heath's demeanor completely. The matches, however, relied on Rhyno mostly from the babyface side. Similarly, the story of Heath Slater losing to all of the legends was also enjoyable. I think Heath fits into these roles well because losing doesn't affect him. His character runs off of personality and he has that in spades. That said, wrestling is a huge part of ranking wrestlers. And not every story featuring Heath was a winner (I'm sorry, folks, but 3MB was just a poor lower card time-waster). But when Heath is on point, he can get you to care. And that's more than most wrestlers can claim. --- "Reading would be your friend." ~Dave Meltzer <cite>scarletspeed7 posted [p:898823765] in Scarlet Ra... [t:76407656]...</cite> <quote>#110 - Heath Slater Nominated by: Mega Mana https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pgfYhmNTV2s" data-time=" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZrUHOOCZ3E" data-time=" Heath Slater seems like a hell of a guy, but I just can't justify ranking him any higher. Heath's "aw shucks" personality he portrays these days works wonders in making him a perennial lower card babyface, but his talent isn't on the level of some of the top guys in the company. That said, he is a true entertainer in WWE, someone who should be given more consistent segment time. Note that I'm not saying wrestling time. Heath is an extremely unremarkable wrestler. What works for Heath is that people can easily get behind him. He shoulders the burden of being likable. That's why, oddly, the tag team of Slater and Rhyno was so perfect. Rhyno was the straight man with occasional moments of humor, but the team relied on the propulsion of Heath's popularity to get the team over after the most recent brand split. The story of Heath being "the hottest free agent" started off well - it was unique and hadn't been done before, and at the same time it was heartwarming. Daniel Bryan and Shane McMahon saw something special in Heath and, despite rejection from Stephanie, Heath found a home. Fans were able to get behind Heath's journey and when Slater and Rhyno eventually won the tag titles together, it was just a perfect babyface moment. It relied on the storytelling and Heath's demeanor completely. The matches, however, relied on Rhyno mostly from the babyface side. Similarly, the story of Heath Slater losing to all of the legends was also enjoyable. I think Heath fits into these roles well because losing doesn't affect him. His character runs off of personality and he has that in spades. That said, wrestling is a huge part of ranking wrestlers. And not every story featuring Heath was a winner (I'm sorry, folks, but 3MB was just a poor lower card time-waster). But when Heath is on point, he can get you to care. And that's more than most wrestlers can claim.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lopen 03/31/18 2:08:58 PM #248:	I think Heath is pretty good in the ring and better than you're giving credit for. His only real problem for me is he needs some better more impactful looking offense. Everything else he does great though (he takes a beating better than most) and honestly given his position on the card having weak looking offense isn't necessarily the worst thing since it makes him losing so much more believable. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! <cite>Lopen posted [p:898824131] in Scarlet Ra... [t:76407656]...</cite> <quote>I think Heath is pretty good in the ring and better than you're giving credit for. His only real problem for me is he needs some better more impactful looking offense. Everything else he does great though (he takes a beating better than most) and honestly given his position on the card having weak looking offense isn't necessarily the worst thing since it makes him losing so much more believable.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MenuWars 03/31/18 2:10:04 PM #249:	Still good stuff, I always liked Big Boss Man, but it was more the idea of it than the actual execution so can't fault the write up. --- I'm bad at Maffs. BEDMAS Bioshock, Earthworm Jim, Diablo 2, Mass Effect 2, Ark: Survival Evolved, Super Meat Boy <cite>MenuWars posted [p:898824197] in Scarlet Ra... [t:76407656]...</cite> <quote>Still good stuff, I always liked Big Boss Man, but it was more the idea of it than the actual execution so can't fault the write up.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scarletspeed7 03/31/18 2:14:24 PM #250:	Lopen posted... Everything else he does great though (he takes a beating better than most) This is definitely true. But I think some of that is due to the character work, not necessarily because of his in-ring ability. --- "Reading would be your friend." ~Dave Meltzer <cite>scarletspeed7 posted [p:898824396] in Scarlet Ra... [t:76407656]...</cite> <quote><cite>Lopen posted...</cite> <quote>Everything else he does great though (he takes a beating better than most)</quote> This is definitely true. But I think some of that is due to the character work, not necessarily because of his in-ring ability.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PrestonStarry2 03/31/18 2:16:25 PM #251:	Rankings So Far 150. Jenna Morasca 149. Ashley Massaro 148. The Great Khali 147. Krissy Vaine 146. The Final Solution 145. Rhaka Khan 144. Dave Crist 143. Rosa Mendes 142. Jackie Gayda 141. Matt Taven 140. Jinder Mahal 139. Heidenreich 138. Bryan Alvarez 137. Enzo Amore 136. Dan Matha 135. The Boogeyman 134. Vladimir Kozlov 133. Santino Marella 132. Glacier 131. Muhammad Hassan 130. Torrie Wilson 129. James Ellsworth 128. Nikki Bella 127. Jay White 126. The Shockmaster 125. Hornswoggle 124. Kevin Sullivan 123. Steve Blackman 122. Barry Darsow 121. Taylor Wilde 120. Ronda Rousey 119. Bob Holly 118. Chris Kanyon 117. Vickie Guerrero 116. Chase Owens 115. Disco Inferno 114. Sasha Banks 113. MVP 112. Buff Bagwell 111. The Big Boss Man 110. Heath Slater Who's Left? Adrian Neville AJ Lee AJ Styles Alex Wright Andre the Giant Arn Anderson Asuka Awesome Kong Bayley Becky Lynch Big Show Billy Graham Bobby Heenan Booker T Braun Strowman Bret Hart Brian Pillman Brock Lesnar Bruiser Brody Charlotte Flair Chavo Guerrero Chris Jericho Chuck Taylor CM Punk Daffney Dan Lambert Daniel Bryan Dave Meltzer Dean Malenko Diamond Dallas Page Dusty Rhodes Dynamite Kid Eddie Guerrero Edge Eric Bischoff Ethan Carter III EVIL Finn Balor Goldust Hayabusa Hiromu Takahashi Hirooki Goto Hiroshi Tanahashi Hulk Hogan Hurricane Jacques Rougeau Jake Roberts Jeff Hardy Jesse Ventura John Cena Josh Mathews Juice Robinson Jushin Liger Kairi Sane Kane Kazuchika Okada Kenny Omega Kevin Nash Kota Ibushi Kurt Angle KUSHIDA Lex Luger Lou Thesz Maria Kanellis Mark Henry Matt Hardy Matt Sydal Mick Foley Mickie James Minoru Suzuki Mister Perfect Miz Naomichi Marufuji Pentagon Perry Saturn Randy Savage Raven Rey Mysterio Ric Flair Rich Swann Road Warrior Hawk Roderick Strong Ron Simmons SANADA Scott Norton Scott Steiner Seth Rollins Shawn Michaels Shinsuke Nakamura Sid Vicious Steve Austin Taichi Ted DiBiase Terry Funk Terry Gordy Tetsuya Naito Timothy Thatcher Tommaso Ciampa Tomohiro Ishii Toru Yano Triple H Trish Stratus Tyler Bate Ultimo Dragon Undertaker Vampiro WALTER Will Ospreay William Regal <cite>PrestonStarry2 posted [p:898824500] in Scarlet Ra... [t:76407656]...</cite> <quote>Rankings So Far 150. Jenna Morasca 149. Ashley Massaro 148. The Great Khali 147. Krissy Vaine 146. The Final Solution 145. Rhaka Khan 144. Dave Crist 143. Rosa Mendes 142. Jackie Gayda 141. Matt Taven 140. Jinder Mahal 139. Heidenreich 138. Bryan Alvarez 137. Enzo Amore 136. Dan Matha 135. The Boogeyman 134. Vladimir Kozlov 133. Santino Marella 132. Glacier 131. Muhammad Hassan 130. Torrie Wilson 129. James Ellsworth 128. Nikki Bella 127. Jay White 126. The Shockmaster 125. Hornswoggle 124. Kevin Sullivan 123. Steve Blackman 122. Barry Darsow 121. Taylor Wilde 120. Ronda Rousey 119. Bob Holly 118. Chris Kanyon 117. Vickie Guerrero 116. Chase Owens 115. Disco Inferno 114. Sasha Banks 113. MVP 112. Buff Bagwell 111. The Big Boss Man 110. Heath Slater Who's Left? Adrian Neville AJ Lee AJ Styles Alex Wright Andre the Giant Arn Anderson Asuka Awesome Kong Bayley Becky Lynch Big Show Billy Graham Bobby Heenan Booker T Braun Strowman Bret Hart Brian Pillman Brock Lesnar Bruiser Brody Charlotte Flair Chavo Guerrero Chris Jericho Chuck Taylor CM Punk Daffney Dan Lambert Daniel Bryan Dave Meltzer Dean Malenko Diamond Dallas Page Dusty Rhodes Dynamite Kid Eddie Guerrero Edge Eric Bischoff Ethan Carter III EVIL Finn Balor Goldust Hayabusa Hiromu Takahashi Hirooki Goto Hiroshi Tanahashi Hulk Hogan Hurricane Jacques Rougeau Jake Roberts Jeff Hardy Jesse Ventura John Cena Josh Mathews Juice Robinson Jushin Liger Kairi Sane Kane Kazuchika Okada Kenny Omega Kevin Nash Kota Ibushi Kurt Angle KUSHIDA Lex Luger Lou Thesz Maria Kanellis Mark Henry Matt Hardy Matt Sydal Mick Foley Mickie James Minoru Suzuki Mister Perfect Miz Naomichi Marufuji Pentagon Perry Saturn Randy Savage Raven Rey Mysterio Ric Flair Rich Swann Road Warrior Hawk Roderick Strong Ron Simmons SANADA Scott Norton Scott Steiner Seth Rollins Shawn Michaels Shinsuke Nakamura Sid Vicious Steve Austin Taichi Ted DiBiase Terry Funk Terry Gordy Tetsuya Naito Timothy Thatcher Tommaso Ciampa Tomohiro Ishii Toru Yano Triple H Trish Stratus Tyler Bate Ultimo Dragon Undertaker Vampiro WALTER Will Ospreay William Regal</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lopen 03/31/18 2:29:56 PM #252:	scarletspeed7 posted... Lopen posted... Everything else he does great though (he takes a beating better than most) This is definitely true. But I think some of that is due to the character work, not necessarily because of his in-ring ability. Well if it's factoring into enjoyment in the match I consider it the same thing. Good character work translating into making for better matches is a type of in ring ability that many wrestlers lack so I wouldn't sell it short. In the end anything that draws you into the match is a factor in whether a match is good. If a guy is more consistently having more enjoyable matches to watch does it really matter if it's primarily due to playing a character very well or crisp move execution or whatever? I don't think so. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! <cite>Lopen posted [p:898825154] in Scarlet Ra... [t:76407656]...</cite> <quote><cite>scarletspeed7 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Lopen posted...</cite> <quote>Everything else he does great though (he takes a beating better than most)</quote> This is definitely true. But I think some of that is due to the character work, not necessarily because of his in-ring ability.</quote> Well if it's factoring into enjoyment in the match I consider it the same thing. Good character work translating into making for better matches is a type of in ring ability that many wrestlers lack so I wouldn't sell it short. In the end anything that draws you into the match is a factor in whether a match is good. If a guy is more consistently having more enjoyable matches to watch does it really matter if it's primarily due to playing a character very well or crisp move execution or whatever? I don't think so.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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