Board 8 > Ace Attorney Topic Part 3: The Maddening (Spoilers for AA1-6, AAI1-2)

(+) Yeah! (+)

no breaks what do you think we're paying you for
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breaks more like the jar

ugh
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SeabassDebeste posted...

no breaks what do you think we're paying you for

the checks bounced
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It's pretty fair to not like Mia, and I say that as someone who likes her quite well. I've definitely talked with people who don't like her because of how she shows up and gives the player hints; some people take that as a jab at their intelligence.

Playable Mia is solid but of the five playable characters in the series (if I'm not forgetting anyone?) she's the one I enjoy playing as the least. That's not an insult because the other four are all top ten characters in the series to me.
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Maya has a short section where she is playable. There's also another playable character in E2-3 that is a full fledged playable character.
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Gumshoe has a short playable section in E2-2, as well.
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and let's not forget Professor Layton
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You also briefly play as Lamiroir!

I like the fact that in 1-5, there's a choice where all three answers are correct. That happens in investigations sometimes, but I feel like that never happens in trials! Also, 1-5 is probably the only case where they actually had me believing the assistant character did it. They really pursued that angle hard and sold me on it.

also I like the fact that Lana Skye says testimony won't work when reviewing SL-9 because both the culprit and the victim are dead, and Phoenix is just like, "Well, we certainly can't get dead people to testify."

I mean
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Which choice is it?

"What changes if the crime took place in Gant's office instead of Lana's office?"

The choices are the murder weapon, the murderer, and...I forget what the other one is, but they're all acceptable choices that progress the story.
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At this point, Maya is still working on getting her spirit medium powers to work properly again and Phoenix hasn't met Pearl yet. So Phoenix really doesn't think it would be possible to get a dead person on the stand.
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I haven't been worrying about wrong answer responses in keeping track of lines here, but there's one here in 1-5 I had to get because it's so great if you pick the wrong evidence for Neil Marshall's dying message.

Phoenix: "This is a message from the deceased!"
Judge: "Right. Now this is a message from the judge!"
*penalty*

1-5 day 3 is so good
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although I do think it's absurd that they try to argue that Neil Marshall picked the jar up off the ground while he was impaled on the suit of armor and wrote Ema's name on the jar

I mean I guess they could argue he fell to the ground instead of sticking onto the sword but still
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Team Rocket Elite posted...

Maya has a short section where she is playable. There's also another playable character in E2-3 that is a full fledged playable character.

I wasn't counting Maya's little bit (no testimonies or other meaningful gameplay), but I'm embarrased I forgot the latter. Heck you might spend as much time playing as him as playing as Mia? Be interested to see how it turns out on Leon's line count.
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Trying to remember if there were any other times not mentioned where you directly controlling or are in the perspective of another named character

You view some scenes from the perspective of the killer but you don't actually make any decisions as them.
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I mean we're all forgetting DGS

for good reason but still

speaking of which I need to get back to watching that DGS2 LP, although it's still only on case 2
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I haven't watched the fake-out bad ending of 1-5 in a long time

it's a pretty neat scene
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whew 1-5 finally complete

Fun Fact: During the "Where are they now?" segments during the credits, you can sprinkle fingerprint powder on the bottom screen and blow it away to reveal a portrait of the character who is speaking. I don't know if that's supposed to be "common knowledge," but I didn't know that for a long time!

numbers soonish
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Total lines by segment:

1-5 Trial Day 3 - 1338
3-4 - 1225
3-1 - 1167
E1-4 Middle - 1030
1-5 Investigation Day 2 - 1004
E1-4 End - 979
1-5 Trial Day 1 - 938
1-5 Investigation Day 3 - 932
E1-4 Beginning - 926
1-5 Investigation Day 1 - 874
1-5 Trial Day 2 - 827
1-4 Investigation Day 2 - 729
1-4 Investigation Day 1 - 700
1-3 Investigation Day 2 - 661
1-4 Trial Day 3 - 626
1-2 Trial Day 1 - 524
1-4 Trial Day 1 - 519
1-3 Trial Day 2 - 517
1-4 Investigation Day 3 - 478
1-3 Investigation Day 1 - 455
1-2 Trial Day 2 - 447
1-4 Trial Day 2 - 414
1-3 Trial Day 3 - 403
1-2 Investigation Day 1 - 402
1-2 Investigation Day 2 - 400
1-1 - 389
1-3 Trial Day 1 - 380
1-3 Investigation Day 3 - 325

Total lines by case:

1-5 - 5913
1-4 - 3466
E1-4 - 2935
1-3 - 2741
1-2 - 1773
3-4 - 1225
3-1 - 1167
1-1 - 389

Totals lines by game:

PW1 - 14282
AAI1 - 2935
T&T - 2393

Rise from the Ashes (1-5)

Phoenix Wright - 2032 (34.36%)
Ema Skye - 1150 (19.45%)
Miles Edgeworth - 588 (9.94%)
The Judge - 585 (9.89%)
Dick Gumshoe - 318 (5.38%)
Damon Gant - 285 (4.82%)
Angel Starr - 272 (4.60%)
Jake Marshall - 257 (4.35%)
Lana Skye - 249 (4.21%)
Mike Meekins - 128 (2.16%)
Other - 21
Chief of Detectives - 16
Bellboy - 4
Mia Fey - 2
Bruce Goodman - 2
Maya Fey - 2
Pearl Fey - 1

Percentage of lines per case by game:

Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney

1-5 - 41.40%
1-4 - 24.27%
1-3 - 19.19%
1-2 - 12.41%
1-1 - 2.72%

Total lines by character per game:

Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney

1. Phoenix Wright - 5307 (37.16%)
2. The Judge - 1305 (9.14%)
3. Maya Fey - 1272 (8.91%)
4. Ema Skye - 1150 (8.05%)
5. Miles Edgeworth - 1060 (7.42%)
6. Dick Gumshoe - 648 (4.54%)
7. Damon Gant - 285
8. Angel Starr - 272
9. Jake Marshall - 257
10. Lana Skye - 249
11. Manfred von Karma - 248
12. Wendy Oldbag - 210
13. Lotta Hart - 192
14. Mia Fey - 191
15. Larry Butz - 182
16. Redd White - 162
17. Marvin Grossberg - 158
18. Dee Vasquez - 148
19. Cody Hackins - 135
20. Mike Meekins - 128
21. April May - 104
22. Yanni Yogi - 98
23. Penny Nichols - 86
24. Will Powers - 83
25. Other - 78
26. Frank Sahwit - 58
27. Sal Manella - 57
28. The Bellboy - 56
29. Winston Payne - 45
30. Chief of Detectives - 24
31. Polly - 20
32. Missile - 6
33. Gregory Edgeworth - 5
34. Jack Hammer - 2
35. Bruce Goodman - 2
36. Pearl Fey - 1

Most lines per case:

Phoenix Wright (1-5) - 2032
Miles Edgeworth (E1-4) - 1328
Phoenix Wright (1-4) - 1211
Phoenix Wright (1-3) - 1117
Phoenix Wright (1-2) - 812
Mia Fey (3-4) - 436
Mia Fey (3-1) - 396
Phoenix Wright (1-1) - 135

Highest percentage of lines per case:

Phoenix Wright (1-2) - 45.80%
Miles Edgeworth (E1-4) - 45.25%
Phoenix Wright (1-3) - 40.75%
Mia Fey (3-4) - 35.59%
Phoenix Wright (1-4) - 34.94%
Phoenix Wright (1-1) - 34.70%
Phoenix Wright (1-5) - 34.36%
Mia Fey (3-1) - 33.93%
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Testimonies by character:

1. Dahlia Hawthorne - 48 lines/8 testimonies
2. Dick Gumshoe - 35 lines/6 testimonies
3. Wendy Oldbag - 29 lines/5 testimonies
4. Calisto Yew - 21 lines/5 testimonies
5. Redd White - 29 lines/4 testimonies
6. Angel Starr - 24 lines/4 testimonies
7. Lotta Hart - 22 lines/4 testimonies
8. Cody Hackins - 21 lines/3 testimonies
9. Damon Gant - 20 lines/3 testimonies
10. Frank Sahwit - 20 lines/3 testimonies
11. Lana Skye - 19 lines/3 testimonies
12. Jake Marshall - 18 lines/3 testimonies
13. Phoenix Wright - 17 lines/3 testimonies
14. Ema Skye - 15 lines/3 testimonies
15. Mike Meekins - 15 lines/3 testimonies
16. Dee Vasquez - 16 lines/2 testimonies
17. April May - 14 lines/2 testimonies
18. Yanni Yogi - 13 lines/2 testimonies
19. Larry Butz - 12 lines/2 testimonies
20. Sal Manella - 12 lines/2 testimonies
21. Franziska von Karma - 10 lines/2 testimonies
22. The Judge - 10 lines/2 testimonies
23. Miles Edgeworth - 8 lines/1 testimony
24. Tyrell Badd - 6 lines/1 testimony
25. Terry Fawles - 6 lines/1 testimony
26. The Bellboy - 5 lines/1 testimony
27. Polly - 3 lines/1 testimony

Total lines by character:

1. Phoenix Wright - 5466
2. Miles Edgeworth - 2552
3. The Judge - 1676
4. Maya Fey - 1270
5. Ema Skye - 1150
6. Mia Fey - 1019
7. Dick Gumshoe - 949
8. Franziska von Karma - 519
9. Manfred von Karma - 316
10. Damon Gant - 285
11. Dahlia Hawthorne - 284
12. Angel Starr - 272
13. Jake Marshall - 257
14. Calisto Yew - 256
15. Lana Skye - 249
16. Tyrell Badd - 242
17. Marvin Grossberg - 234
18. The Judge's Brother - 221
19. Winston Payne - 210
20. Wendy Oldbag - 210
21. Lotta Hart - 192
22. Larry Butz - 182
23. Redd White - 162
24. Dee Vasquez - 148
25. Cody Hackins - 135
26. Mike Meekins - 128
27. Other - 115
28. Godot - 112
29. April May - 104
30. Kay Faraday - 99
31. Yanni Yogi - 98
32. Penny Nichols - 86
33. Will Powers - 83
34. Terry Fawles - 74
35. Frank Sahwit - 58
36. Sal Manella - 57
37. The Bellboy - 57
38. Chief of Detectives - 24
39. Polly - 20
40. Gregory Edgeworth - 5
41. Shi-Long Lang - 3
42. Pearl Fey - 1

1-5 was the first "regular" case where Edgeworth had more lines than the Judge, but just barely! He never had more lines in any of the trial segments though!
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LeonhartFour posted...

Pearl Fey - 1

Wait, huh?

Ema having almost many lines as Maya in AA1 makes me confident that Ema is a lock to be top 10 by the end of this

Oh, during Maya's little "Where are they now?" cameo at the end of 1-5, someone calls out to her that it's time for more training and calls her "Mystic Maya," which I assume is supposed to be Pearl.

I mean I guess I could classify it under "Other" since they don't give the character a name but I think that's who it's supposed to be
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Does Ema really have more lines than Edgeworth in AA1

oof, 1-5
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Ema's missing from your AA1 total lines list for some reason by the way

and she's somehow ahead of Edgeworth

Janus5k posted...

Does Ema really have more lines than Edgeworth in AA1

oof, 1-5

I told you man

1-5 skews the math so hard because it's designed like a JFA/T&T case with PW1's three-day format
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LeonhartFour posted...

Oh, during Maya's little "Where are they now?" cameo at the end of 1-5, someone calls out to her that it's time for more training and calls her "Mystic Maya," which I assume is supposed to be Pearl.

I mean I guess I could classify it under "Other" since they don't give the character a name but I think that's who it's supposed to be

Oh huh, I forgot about that

I'm fine with it counting, because it's interesting and cute

Paratroopa1 posted...

Ema's missing from your AA1 total lines list for some reason by the way

and she's somehow ahead of Edgeworth

yeah I caught that on a double check and edited her in
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also the funny thing is that over half of Edgeworth's lines in PW1 come from 1-5 alone

nearly half of Gumshoe's too
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LeonhartFour posted...

Janus5k posted...

Does Ema really have more lines than Edgeworth in AA1

oof, 1-5

I told you man

1-5 skews the math so hard because it's designed like a JFA/T&T case with PW1's three-day format

It's especially funny though because Edgeworth is in 1-5 too. This isn't a 1-5 thing, it's an assistant thing.

I suddenly feel like I might have seriously underestimated Athena's line count in this series, it might be ahead of Gumshoe

also 1-3, 1-4, and 1-5 have been pretty consistent on the attorney/assistant overall line percentages so far

35-40%~ for the attorney
15-20%~ for the assistant

E1-4 isn't that far off either, although Edgeworth skews a little higher (45%) because Franziska isn't the assistant for the entire case.
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Paratroopa1 posted...

It's especially funny though because Edgeworth is in 1-5 too. This isn't a 1-5 thing, it's an assistant thing.

I suddenly feel like I might have seriously underestimated Athena's line count in this series, it might be ahead of Gumshoe

Oh, absolutely. It took Edgeworth having a big role outside of court in all three segments for him to just barely beat the Judge in 1-5. I'm curious to see what his line count is in 2-4.

The Judge has had the second most lines in nearly every trial segment thus far. I think the only one that beat him was 1-3's first trial day because my word Oldbag

The assistants definitely cut way down on the talking during trials compared to investigations.
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I wonder if there are any cases that will beat Phoenix's percentage for 1-2

Paratroopa1 posted...

I wonder if there are any cases that will beat Phoenix's percentage for 1-2

Are there any other cases where the attorney doesn't have an assistant? It'd also have to be a case with a relatively small cast and that isn't very long because they spread the wealth around too much in bigger cases.

Phoenix could have a pretty high percentage in 2-2, actually, because Pearl is kind of the assistant, but she's only around for a few things.
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The cases that jumped to mind most were 2-2 and E1-2 as possibilities. If there's another possibility out there I can't think of it.

Another thought - every case is definitely going to have its main character as the top line count (let's not count E2-3)... except possibly 4-4. I wonder if Phoenix has more lines in 4-4 than Apollo does.

1-5 might be Gumshoe's biggest case in the OT lineswise (excluding ones where he is a partner) and he only gets 300. he has less testimonies in AA1 than 3-1 Dahlia too! still liking my Maya pick, though it's gonna be tough to stay ahead with how wordy AAI2 is.

Gant above von Karma is.. interesting, especially considering von Karma has both 1-4 and E1-4.

edit: oh wait, wrong list. too much data!
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transience posted...

too much data!

well this was your idea so I'm going to make this worth my while if I'm going to do this

statistics everywhere
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it'll be worth it when we get off of aa1!
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hey we've had three non-PW1 cases already
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Finally beat Turnabout Time Traveler. I liked it, the old gang is all together now (other than Gumshoe. Enjoy your possible retirement and headcanon marriage + family ol' buddy ol' pal) making for one heck of a Nostalgia trip.

That leaves AAI 2, DGS, and DGS 2 to play/watch a playthrough of.
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maybe the DGS2 LP will be finished with case 2 by the time you get to it
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Oh it's not finished yet? How far are they?
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Case 2

The DGS1 one is all done, thankfully, although it's a bit messy. I should watch it again sometime, since I probably won't bother playing the actual game and fan translation.
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aai2 hype
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I'm playing 2-2 now and I noticed the Sacred Urn already has cracks in it even before Pearl breaks it

good foreshadowing for the picture at the end of 3-5 there

also I forgot how simultaneously funny and annoying (augh those glasses) Turner Grey is
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If you present something to Ini the first time you meet, Phoenix says, "Why does it feel like she's just putting on an act?"

boom case closed

(although 2-2 is one of the only cases I figured out way in advance)
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Ini: "Cause, like, talking to dead people, and like, multiple personalities are my thing..."

this case

also I think it's funny in a weird way that Ini talks about seeing that face somewhere before if you present her own profile to her because it's technically not her own face
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Man, Pearl's intro is so great. She's so stone-faced and won't even talk to Phoenix the first few times you see her, and Morgan sort of conditions you into thinking her daughter will be a brat, too.

Then she busts out the, "You're Mystic Maya's...special someone" line with the hands-over-her-face smile and her cutesy theme begins to play and it's completely disarming
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