Board 8 > What would you guys say, is the biggest anime ever...impact wise?

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INCEPTlON
12/11/17 9:32:49 PM
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Is it Pokemon or Dragon Ball?

One Piece is huge as far as the actual series goes, but I dont know how much impact it has or has not had.

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INCEPTlON
12/11/17 9:33:53 PM
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I also dont really know how to define impact here other than it being a large presence in the anime culture or even outside of it.

I guess how exposed it is?
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ExThaNemesis
12/11/17 9:34:10 PM
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I would probably say Pokemon but only because it has a video game series too bounce off of.

One Piece is kind of Japan only as far as its popularity goes but it blows EVERYTHING out the water over there.
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INCEPTlON
12/11/17 9:36:00 PM
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Huh, thats cool. When did One Piece earn the Top Dog status in Japan? Was there a certain arc that pushed it to the top with people or is it just consistently great?
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KamikazePotato
12/11/17 9:39:52 PM
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Pokemon hasn't had much of am impact. It's just a really long-running show. Neither has One Piece - it's really popular but it's not setting any new molds, just executing a previous one well.

As far as changing the landscape of anime goes, some contenders are:
Dragon Ball
Fist of the North Star
Jojo's Bizarre Adventure
Akira
Sword Art Online
Love Live
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KanzarisKelshen
12/11/17 9:40:04 PM
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Dragon Ball, Jojo's Bizarre Adventure, Sailor Moon, Mazinger Z, Mobile Suit Gundam, maybe Evangelion, Tetsujin #28, Astroboy, Doraemon, Akira and GitS are probably the shortlist for 'most important anime'. I don't think there's any others that had that same ridiculously enduring level of impact?

EDIT: KP is right about HnK. Would dispute SAO and Love Live because the SAO boom died off and that shit doesn't sell at all anymore like a couple years after launch. Love Live...maybe? We'll have to wait and see I guess.
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StealThisSheen
12/11/17 9:44:09 PM
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Depends if you mean impact as in just to anime in general, or impact as in mainstream appeal
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KamikazePotato
12/11/17 9:46:34 PM
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Tons of SAO-inspired anime and light novels are still being made to this day. Isekai stuff is still pretty popular.

Love Live specifically ramped up the waifu-ism aspect of anime a lot. It was always there but that kicked it into high gear. Now it's a big part of lots of anime and is often the way that shows expect to make money.

If you want contemporary examples, I struggle to think of better ones.

All the ones Kanz mentioned are correct as well.
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LapisLazuli
12/11/17 9:51:21 PM
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SAO may be shit, but we're still getting 2 Issekai shows a season minimum.
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Seginustemple
12/11/17 9:51:47 PM
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Akira at least for the animation. Like, who else even thought to illustrate lens flare back then?
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UInstinctVegeta
12/11/17 9:52:28 PM
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Individually....

Pokmon,...

Actual Impact...?

Dragonball.

It's literally not even close or debatable.

Tell me what Pokmon has really affected overall in anime? There isn't, things like Monster Rancher and Digimon either existed or were being made at the same time.

Now Dragonball more or less created the genre, at least to this level, and its impact of every single anime remotely for children the last 30 years can't be overstated.

And more importantly than anything.

Dragonball Z and Sailor Moon (and I guess to a much MUCH lesser extent Ronin and Gundam Wing) are the reasons Anime matters in this country...

Pokmon made Pokmon big here. Speed Racer and Astro Boy were kinda hits, but didn't make Anime big. Sailor Moon and DB/Z are the reasons for that.
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pyresword
12/11/17 9:52:41 PM
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I feel like K-On or maybe Haruhi is the answer as far as impact on anime goes. Or at least I think it's that instead if you want to go the route I think you guys are envisioning with Love Live. Could probably also make an argument here for shows in different genres with similar status, such as Dragonball or SAO.

For impact on culture as a whole I find it extremely hard to argue anything other than Pokemon.
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charmander6000
12/11/17 9:56:10 PM
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Dragonball and Sailor Moon pretty much brought anime to mainstream in North America.

Pokemon solidified it.
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kateee
12/11/17 9:57:39 PM
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Neon Genesis Evangelion
Sailor Moon
Haruhi Suzumiya
Death Note
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WickIebee
12/11/17 10:01:28 PM
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charmander6000 posted...
Dragonball and Sailor Moon pretty much brought anime to mainstream in North America.


This.

Pokemon didn't really sell the video game series, but the popularity of it did continue the Pokemon video game series as well, but I'd still say Dragonball/Sailor Moon because they really did begin the spawn of anime in the US, and especially between genders.
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KamikazePotato
12/11/17 10:01:38 PM
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K-On might be a better choice than Love Live yeah. Think both were pretty big in the influence of what current anime are though.

Death Note I don't think was very influential. Popular, yeah.

Did Haruhi influence a lot? I know it was popular but I don't know what it would've inspired.
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MZero11
12/11/17 10:03:38 PM
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It's definitely Gundam
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swordz9
12/11/17 10:09:13 PM
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I'd go with Dragon Ball since it's the most common series I see mentioned for what influenced other popular series. I mean that mostly applies to shounen fighting series, but there are tons of those made all the time
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WhiteLens
12/11/17 10:13:10 PM
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KamikazePotato posted...
Love Live specifically ramped up the waifu-ism aspect of anime a lot. It was always there but that kicked it into high gear. Now it's a big part of lots of anime and is often the way that shows expect to make money.

I REALLY don't think that's Love Live's doing. It just happened to come around that time.

Just look at Fire Emblem Awakening. It was released 1 year before the Love Live anime aired in Japan, and the waifu-ism contributed to a huge part of the game's popularity.

It's really just the otaku market going in that direction.
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pyresword
12/11/17 10:13:10 PM
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Since it hasn't been mentioned yet I'll also throw out Cowboy Bebop. It's not my #1 choice, but it would definitely at least make it onto my list of most influential anime.

Edit: and also Ghost in the Shell
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WhiteLens
12/11/17 10:17:28 PM
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KanzarisKelshen posted...
the SAO boom died off and that shit doesn't sell at all anymore like a couple years after launch

L O L

Do you not realize how many SAO games are out there?

And Sword Art Online: Memory Defrag regularly places on the Top Grossing Apps chart. Plus, new SAO merchandise regularly gets made.

Saying it doesn't sell is just wrong.
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UInstinctVegeta
12/11/17 10:18:42 PM
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WickIebee posted...
charmander6000 posted...
Dragonball and Sailor Moon pretty much brought anime to mainstream in North America.


This.

Pokemon didn't really sell the video game series, but the popularity of it did continue the Pokemon video game series as well, but I'd still say Dragonball/Sailor Moon because they really did begin the spawn of anime in the US, and especially between genders.


Like fuck it didn't....

Wanna know why RBY is the highest selling RPG ever. The anime.
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Airship_Canon
12/11/17 10:19:03 PM
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WhiteLens posted...
KamikazePotato posted...
Love Live specifically ramped up the waifu-ism aspect of anime a lot. It was always there but that kicked it into high gear. Now it's a big part of lots of anime and is often the way that shows expect to make money.

I REALLY don't think that's Love Live's doing. It just happened to come around that time.

Just look at Fire Emblem Awakening. It was released 1 year before the Love Live anime aired in Japan, and the waifu-ism contributed to a huge part of the game's popularity.

It's really just the otaku market going in that direction.


Honestly, Love Live was coattailing K-ON! and the Moe Boom.
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UInstinctVegeta
12/11/17 10:19:26 PM
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UInstinctVegeta posted...
WickIebee posted...
charmander6000 posted...
Dragonball and Sailor Moon pretty much brought anime to mainstream in North America.


This.

Pokemon didn't really sell the video game series, but the popularity of it did continue the Pokemon video game series as well, but I'd still say Dragonball/Sailor Moon because they really did begin the spawn of anime in the US, and especially between genders.


Like fuck it didn't....

Wanna know why RBY is the highest selling RPG ever. The anime.


In America anyway.... RG probbaly sold in Japan gone without needing the anime.
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CaptainOfCrush
12/11/17 10:21:15 PM
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pyresword posted...
Since it hasn't been mentioned yet I'll also throw out Cowboy Bebop. It's not my #1 choice, but it would definitely at least make it onto my list of most influential anime.

Surprised it took 20 posts for Bebop.
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LOLIAmAnAlt
12/11/17 10:23:18 PM
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Sailor Moon?
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Mac Arrowny
12/11/17 10:23:43 PM
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Eva and Astro Boy are pretty much the only answers I think.

For a few of the series that are mentioned I think the manga was probably as influential as the anime (like DB or OP), if not more so.
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UInstinctVegeta
12/11/17 10:24:05 PM
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LOLIAmAnAlt posted...
Sailor Moon?


Probably #2.
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KamikazePotato
12/11/17 10:29:54 PM
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Bebop didn't influence much. Good show =/= influential show.
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KokoroAkechi
12/11/17 10:30:56 PM
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It depends what you mean by impact because that's hard to measure.

Akira is often credited for legitimizing the medium in the west. It paved the way for releases of the likes of GitS. However, I'll be honest I don't know what kind of impact it had for the actual industry in the way something like the Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya did in that her show basically started a trend of Light Novel Adaptations (although you could argue this was an inevitable). Her show was not even the first to do it, just the first one who built up massive acclaim.

But like Haruhi another show in Evangelion is atm not that well known in the west outside of actual anime fans (or people on the internet who know people who like anime). But to its credit several modern character archetypes are based on Evangelion characters (even if they were not the first one to do it. Their versions are pretty obviously the go to). It's interesting because like Haruhi (who played with common comedic mediums and school anime tropes to make a great show), Evangelion did the same thing with serious topics and the mecha genre.

As far as things being mainstream go it's most likely DBZ is probably the go to answer as it's still reasonably popular here, but from what I understand Japan is kind of over it (like 10 years ago), because they are in a love live phase now.

If you want to go by like a franchise then it's pokemon. Like, that's not even a debate imo. But the anime is just one small part in an empire that was worth like 1/6 the GDP of Japan... over 10 years ago.

Like as far as real influence goes something like K-On (2009) might be as far back as I'm willing to go. Anything else is too new to really grasp the lasting effects and if I'm honest I might even dial that back to Haruhi (2006). Also Haruism is a religion in like the same way Jedi is... so there's that.
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WazzupGenius00
12/11/17 10:32:41 PM
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Anpanman might not be most influential but just due to its longevity its probably up there, same with Doraemon and Sazae-san
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foolm0r0n
12/11/17 10:41:49 PM
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The Simpsons
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SquadFAM
12/11/17 10:44:59 PM
#33:


Pokemon probably thanks to Pokemon Go, but dbz is still better
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Xuxon
12/11/17 10:45:42 PM
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KamikazePotato posted...
Love Live specifically ramped up the waifu-ism aspect of anime a lot. It was always there but that kicked it into high gear. Now it's a big part of lots of anime and is often the way that shows expect to make money.

can't credit this to love live when idolmaster was the same thing and came over a year before it. though like others have else said if anything it's K-on.
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KanzarisKelshen
12/11/17 10:52:17 PM
#35:


LapisLazuli posted...
SAO may be shit, but we're still getting 2 Issekai shows a season minimum.


The reason I don't give it credit is that SAO itself did not have lasting popularity. You can't make a major impact if nobody gives a shit about you anymore just a couple years later. That's just a public opinion wave, nothing more. Contrast with the ones I listed - all of those are themselves beloved properties. I think that's an influence requirement, tbqh.
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swordz9
12/11/17 10:55:50 PM
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I'd say Japan got a second Dragon Ball boom thanks to Super. Like it might have been over for many years, but it's still insanely popular and Super is contributing there too. Dragon Ball prints money and is possibly more popular now than ever
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LapisLazuli
12/11/17 11:00:58 PM
#37:


KanzarisKelshen posted...
LapisLazuli posted...
SAO may be shit, but we're still getting 2 Issekai shows a season minimum.


The reason I don't give it credit is that SAO itself did not have lasting popularity. You can't make a major impact if nobody gives a shit about you anymore just a couple years later. That's just a public opinion wave, nothing more. Contrast with the ones I listed - all of those are themselves beloved properties. I think that's an influence requirement, tbqh.


People still give a shit about SAO. Sadly.
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WhiteLens
12/11/17 11:07:51 PM
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Holy fuck, did he ignore my post about SAO?
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pyresword
12/11/17 11:08:56 PM
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I mean SAO got a movie a year after it ended and a season 2 another year after that. Plus those were evidently successful enough that now five years after the fact we've gotten another movie with an announced season 3 on the way.

Some online anime communities like to trash SAO, but looking at the big picture it's still quite popular I think.
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th3l3fty
12/11/17 11:13:57 PM
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impact wise?

gotta be Evangelion
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Mac Arrowny
12/11/17 11:14:18 PM
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KanzarisKelshen posted...
LapisLazuli posted...
SAO may be shit, but we're still getting 2 Issekai shows a season minimum.


The reason I don't give it credit is that SAO itself did not have lasting popularity. You can't make a major impact if nobody gives a shit about you anymore just a couple years later. That's just a public opinion wave, nothing more. Contrast with the ones I listed - all of those are themselves beloved properties. I think that's an influence requirement, tbqh.


SAO just had a gigantically successful movie come out a few months ago in Japan.

th3l3fty posted...
impact wise?

gotta be Evangelion


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kevwaffles
12/11/17 11:15:52 PM
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Evangelion's a big one because it also influenced JRPGs perhaps even more than it did anime.
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tazzyboyishere
12/11/17 11:21:09 PM
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Dragon Ball Z in America

Who knows in Japan. That's like trying to determine which American film had the biggest impact here.
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Heroic Bigpun
12/11/17 11:21:54 PM
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I would say dragon ball impactwise since it inspired so much more people. but I think pokemon is way more profitable and might be more "popular "
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KamikazePotato
12/11/17 11:24:50 PM
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I'll take you guys' word for it on K-on > Love Live.

Sword Art Online is still very popular. Just not on internet message boards!
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Blocksby
12/11/17 11:37:06 PM
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K-On pretty much kicked off this moeblob/waifu generation
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Nanis23
12/11/17 11:55:25 PM
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Pokemon
It turned into the biggest media franchise in the world
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KanzarisKelshen
12/12/17 12:31:08 AM
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WhiteLens posted...
Holy fuck, did he ignore my post about SAO?


No, I just missed it. I'll say that gachas aren't a great indicator of lasting impact though - popularity doesn't indicate influence, necessarily. Jojo changed battle shonen forever with parts 2 and 3 and it was still a complete unknown outside Japan until the anime was broadcast worldwide, for example. Gundam got canceled and it invented the Real Robot genre, more or less. You get the idea - it's not instant popularity that marks if a show is impactful or not, it's what marks it leaves on the medium after it's over combined with significant critical and popular acclaim.
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WhiteLens
12/12/17 1:04:52 AM
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Ok, your post was saying that SAO was no longer popular, when youve been told how wrong that is from multiple people.

We werent disputing whether or not it was influential.
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