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WastelandCowboy 12/04/17 8:38:40 PM #1:	https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/12/04/567803476/trump-dramatically-shrinks-2-utah-national-monuments Updated at 7 p.m. ET On a visit to Utah on Monday, President Trump announced his proclamations dramatically shrinking the size of the state's two massive national monuments, Bears Ears and Grand Staircase-Escalante. Taken together, Trump's orders mark the largest reversal of national monument protections in U.S. history. The Bears Ears National Monument will go from roughly 1.3 million acres to roughly 228,000 only about 15 percent of its original size. And Grand Staircase will be diminished by roughly half, from its nearly 1.9 million acres to about 1 million. The specific numbers were provided to reporters by Interior Secretary Ryan Zinke prior to Trump's announcement in Salt Lake City. "No one values the splendor of Utah more than you do," Trump told an enthusiastic crowd Monday, "and no one knows better how to use it." He noted that before making the decision, he had discussed it with Zinke and the state's two GOP senators, Orrin Hatch and Mike Lee. Both senators have been outspoken critics of the two national monuments both protected under the 1906 Antiquities Act by Democratic presidents framing them as significant federal overreach that deprives Utahans of their own land. And Trump echoed those criticisms Monday. "These abuses of the Antiquities Act give enormous power to faraway bureaucrats at the expense of the people who actually live here, work here and make this place their home," Trump said. His decision caps months of speculation and a controversial review of the boundaries of large national monuments that protect more than 100,000 acres of U.S. public land. The review, conducted by Zinke, originally looked at more than two dozen national monuments designated by presidential decree since the 1990s. Utah, with its new Bears Ears monument and the Grand Staircase National Monument, has always been at the center of the debate and largely what spurred the review. Trump's predecessor, President Barack Obama, created Bears Ears shortly before leaving office, while the Grand Staircase monument dates to the Clinton administration. And depending on which side you're on, Monday's announcement is either about an overreaching federal government that prevented development on large amounts of federal land with little local support or it's the latest example of the U.S. government breaking promises with Native Americans and eroding environmental protections. <cite>WastelandCowboy posted [p:891599698] in Trump orde... [t:76062702]...</cite> <quote>https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/12/04/567803476/trump-dramatically-shrinks-2-utah-national-monuments <quote>Updated at 7 p.m. ET On a visit to Utah on Monday, President Trump announced his proclamations dramatically shrinking the size of the state's two massive national monuments, Bears Ears and Grand Staircase-Escalante. Taken together, Trump's orders mark the largest reversal of national monument protections in U.S. history. The Bears Ears National Monument will go from roughly 1.3 million acres to roughly 228,000 only about 15 percent of its original size. And Grand Staircase will be diminished by roughly half, from its nearly 1.9 million acres to about 1 million. The specific numbers were provided to reporters by Interior Secretary Ryan Zinke prior to Trump's announcement in Salt Lake City. "No one values the splendor of Utah more than you do," Trump told an enthusiastic crowd Monday, "and no one knows better how to use it." He noted that before making the decision, he had discussed it with Zinke and the state's two GOP senators, Orrin Hatch and Mike Lee. Both senators have been outspoken critics of the two national monuments both protected under the 1906 Antiquities Act by Democratic presidents framing them as significant federal overreach that deprives Utahans of their own land. And Trump echoed those criticisms Monday. "These abuses of the Antiquities Act give enormous power to faraway bureaucrats at the expense of the people who actually live here, work here and make this place their home," Trump said. His decision caps months of speculation and a controversial review of the boundaries of large national monuments that protect more than 100,000 acres of U.S. public land. The review, conducted by Zinke, originally looked at more than two dozen national monuments designated by presidential decree since the 1990s. Utah, with its new Bears Ears monument and the Grand Staircase National Monument, has always been at the center of the debate and largely what spurred the review. Trump's predecessor, President Barack Obama, created Bears Ears shortly before leaving office, while the Grand Staircase monument dates to the Clinton administration. And depending on which side you're on, Monday's announcement is either about an overreaching federal government that prevented development on large amounts of federal land with little local support or it's the latest example of the U.S. government breaking promises with Native Americans and eroding environmental protections. </quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WastelandCowboy 12/04/17 8:38:54 PM #2:	Utah's Republican congressional delegation, along with county commissions and conservative groups, pressed the administration to open up these federal lands once more for private use. "President Trump's decision to reduce these monuments allows us to still protect those areas that need protection, while at the same time keeping the area open and accessible to locals who depend on this land for their daily lives," said Matt Anderson of the Utah-based Sutherland Institute. Anderson says large, public-land national monuments hurt rural counties. These areas already have large amounts of federal public land, he says, where cattle grazing, mining and other types of private enterprise are heavily regulated. Rural Utah is still fuming from President Bill Clinton's designation of the Grand Staircase in 1996, which grandfathered in existing cattle-grazing leases and other uses but also nixed a proposed coal mine. Clinton signed the proclamation at the Grand Canyon, in Arizona, and Utah officials at the time said they were blindsided. "When you designate a large national monument, you restrict access to the land and you block traditional uses of the land," Anderson said. The home of Bears Ears, rural San Juan County, is often cited as one of Utah's poorest, and more than 60 percent of all its land is owned and managed by the federal government. During his speech Monday, Trump said the national monument designations also "prevent Native Americans from having their rightful voice over the sacred land where they practice their most important ancestral and religious traditions." Many tribal leaders and activists are likely to deeply object to this assessment. For months, they have passionately campaigned to preserve the national monument designations and now, upon hearing Trump's proclamations, they are promising to sue. "The Navajo Nation has made repeated requests to meet with President Trump on this issue. The Bears Ears Monument is of critical importance, not only to the Navajo Nation but to many tribes in the region," Navajo Nation President Russell Begaye said in a written statement. "The decision to reduce the size of the Monument is being made with no tribal consultation," he said. "The Navajo Nation will defend Bears Ears. The reduction in the size of the Monument leaves us no choice but to litigate this decision." "Bears Ears National Monument is not just for Native Americans but for all Americans," Vice President Jonathan Nez said. "This is a sad day for Indigenous people and for America." Bears Ears is considered some of the most culturally significant land in the American Southwest. Its famous Red Rock Canyon country is dense with ancient artifacts, cliff dwellings and sacred burial grounds. Just a couple of years ago, some of the land was proposed for additional federal protections, but a bill backed by Utah's House Republicans stalled in Congress. Then, last year, the Obama administration held meetings in the region before declaring it a national monument in late December under the 1906 Antiquities Act. Tribal leaders took to the streets of Salt Lake City over the weekend to protest the president's decision. At a rally Saturday, Ethel Branch, attorney general of the Navajo Nation, predicted the president wouldn't even set foot on or see the land in question. "I want him to visit Bears Ears before he takes any action," Branch told a cheering crowd at a rally outside the Utah Capitol. That's unlikely, with the monument more than a five-hour drive from Salt Lake City, and with the president's tight visit also including a trip to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints' Welfare Square. <cite>WastelandCowboy posted [p:891599710] in Trump orde... [t:76062702]...</cite> <quote><quote>Utah's Republican congressional delegation, along with county commissions and conservative groups, pressed the administration to open up these federal lands once more for private use. "President Trump's decision to reduce these monuments allows us to still protect those areas that need protection, while at the same time keeping the area open and accessible to locals who depend on this land for their daily lives," said Matt Anderson of the Utah-based Sutherland Institute. Anderson says large, public-land national monuments hurt rural counties. These areas already have large amounts of federal public land, he says, where cattle grazing, mining and other types of private enterprise are heavily regulated. Rural Utah is still fuming from President Bill Clinton's designation of the Grand Staircase in 1996, which grandfathered in existing cattle-grazing leases and other uses but also nixed a proposed coal mine. Clinton signed the proclamation at the Grand Canyon, in Arizona, and Utah officials at the time said they were blindsided. "When you designate a large national monument, you restrict access to the land and you block traditional uses of the land," Anderson said. The home of Bears Ears, rural San Juan County, is often cited as one of Utah's poorest, and more than 60 percent of all its land is owned and managed by the federal government. During his speech Monday, Trump said the national monument designations also "prevent Native Americans from having their rightful voice over the sacred land where they practice their most important ancestral and religious traditions." Many tribal leaders and activists are likely to deeply object to this assessment. For months, they have passionately campaigned to preserve the national monument designations and now, upon hearing Trump's proclamations, they are promising to sue. "The Navajo Nation has made repeated requests to meet with President Trump on this issue. The Bears Ears Monument is of critical importance, not only to the Navajo Nation but to many tribes in the region," Navajo Nation President Russell Begaye said in a written statement. "The decision to reduce the size of the Monument is being made with no tribal consultation," he said. "The Navajo Nation will defend Bears Ears. The reduction in the size of the Monument leaves us no choice but to litigate this decision." "Bears Ears National Monument is not just for Native Americans but for all Americans," Vice President Jonathan Nez said. "This is a sad day for Indigenous people and for America." Bears Ears is considered some of the most culturally significant land in the American Southwest. Its famous Red Rock Canyon country is dense with ancient artifacts, cliff dwellings and sacred burial grounds. Just a couple of years ago, some of the land was proposed for additional federal protections, but a bill backed by Utah's House Republicans stalled in Congress. Then, last year, the Obama administration held meetings in the region before declaring it a national monument in late December under the 1906 Antiquities Act. Tribal leaders took to the streets of Salt Lake City over the weekend to protest the president's decision. At a rally Saturday, Ethel Branch, attorney general of the Navajo Nation, predicted the president wouldn't even set foot on or see the land in question. "I want him to visit Bears Ears before he takes any action," Branch told a cheering crowd at a rally outside the Utah Capitol. That's unlikely, with the monument more than a five-hour drive from Salt Lake City, and with the president's tight visit also including a trip to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints' Welfare Square.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WastelandCowboy 12/04/17 8:39:40 PM #3:	The Navajo Nation isn't the only group to announce its intention to sue the Trump administration over his proclamations. Conservationists have also voiced their objections and their plans to bring those objections to court. "I think the only thing this administration understands is lawsuits," Yvon Chouinard, founder and CEO of outdoor gear company Patagonia, told CNN. "We're losing this planet, and we have an evil government. And not just the federal government, but wacko politicians out of Utah and places. I mean, it's evil. And I'm not going to stand back and just let evil win." Republicans in Congress have proposed changes to the Antiquities Act, which was originally intended to protect against the looting of ancient artifacts from public land, to make it harder for presidents to use it as a means to create large national monuments. The law, as written, authorizes the president to designate these monuments but it is gray on the matter of whether a president can actually shrink or abolish a large, already-existing monument. Sixteen presidents have used the Antiquities Act to create public-lands monuments, but legal experts say that the task of modifying public lands has historically been the role of Congress. "President Trump's dramatic reduction of the Bears Ears National Monument is a direct attack on the Antiquities Act and America's public lands. We intend to challenge this action in federal court," Stephanie Meeks, president and CEO of the National Trust for Historic Preservation, said in a statement Monday after the announcement. "Rolling back the designation of Bears Ears leaves thousands of extraordinary archaeological sites vulnerable to looting and vandalism. The President's action also opens the remarkable Bears Ears' landscape to incompatible oil and gas development." she said. "This arbitrary review and illegal action will not go unchallenged," said Nicole Croft, executive director of Grand Staircase Escalante Partners. Environmentalists like Croft fear the decision could set a precedent for future presidents to unravel protections on federal land. "The experience of exploration, wonder and humility at the grandeur of the natural world is one our children and their children deserve, and that is what this administration is trying to rob from our future," she said. <cite>WastelandCowboy posted [p:891599770] in Trump orde... [t:76062702]...</cite> <quote><quote>The Navajo Nation isn't the only group to announce its intention to sue the Trump administration over his proclamations. Conservationists have also voiced their objections and their plans to bring those objections to court. "I think the only thing this administration understands is lawsuits," Yvon Chouinard, founder and CEO of outdoor gear company Patagonia, told CNN. "We're losing this planet, and we have an evil government. And not just the federal government, but wacko politicians out of Utah and places. I mean, it's evil. And I'm not going to stand back and just let evil win." Republicans in Congress have proposed changes to the Antiquities Act, which was originally intended to protect against the looting of ancient artifacts from public land, to make it harder for presidents to use it as a means to create large national monuments. The law, as written, authorizes the president to designate these monuments but it is gray on the matter of whether a president can actually shrink or abolish a large, already-existing monument. Sixteen presidents have used the Antiquities Act to create public-lands monuments, but legal experts say that the task of modifying public lands has historically been the role of Congress. "President Trump's dramatic reduction of the Bears Ears National Monument is a direct attack on the Antiquities Act and America's public lands. We intend to challenge this action in federal court," Stephanie Meeks, president and CEO of the National Trust for Historic Preservation, said in a statement Monday after the announcement. "Rolling back the designation of Bears Ears leaves thousands of extraordinary archaeological sites vulnerable to looting and vandalism. The President's action also opens the remarkable Bears Ears' landscape to incompatible oil and gas development." she said. "This arbitrary review and illegal action will not go unchallenged," said Nicole Croft, executive director of Grand Staircase Escalante Partners. Environmentalists like Croft fear the decision could set a precedent for future presidents to unravel protections on federal land. "The experience of exploration, wonder and humility at the grandeur of the natural world is one our children and their children deserve, and that is what this administration is trying to rob from our future," she said.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jen0125 12/04/17 8:40:42 PM #4:	I hate that the humans on this planet just want to develop every inch of it and leave no wildlife or nature reserves. I'm kinda glad I won't be alive in the far future to see how gross the planet is because we don't take care of it. --- http://i.imgur.com/4ihiyS2.jpg "I am not gay! Can't you get that through your head? I am very much aroused at the site of a naked woman!" - Dan0429 <cite>Jen0125 posted [p:891599838] in Trump orde... [t:76062702]...</cite> <quote>I hate that the humans on this planet just want to develop every inch of it and leave no wildlife or nature reserves. I'm kinda glad I won't be alive in the far future to see how gross the planet is because we don't take care of it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lokarin 12/04/17 8:43:13 PM #5:	Because the biggest problem in America is that there's not enough land... --- "Salt cures Everything!" My YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/Nirakolov/videos <cite>Lokarin posted [p:891599993] in Trump orde... [t:76062702]...</cite> <quote>Because the biggest problem in America is that there's not enough land...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Melon_Master 12/04/17 8:45:01 PM #6:	Bears Ears, brought to you by Pepsi Co. --- http://i.imgur.com/linui.png http://i.imgur.com/FiYI1.jpg PotDs UnOfficial President and Official Sheldon Cooper <cite>Melon_Master posted [p:891600114] in Trump orde... [t:76062702]...</cite> <quote>Bears Ears, brought to you by Pepsi Co.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeus 12/04/17 8:45:52 PM #7:	With the hysterical headlines, you'd think that this is big news... but in reality one of those parks was only established last year and the other park only dates back to Clinton. When looking at the facts, the outrage is hilarious. And, even with the reduction, the parks are massive. --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| In Zeus We Trust: All Others Pay Cash <cite>Zeus posted [p:891600172] in Trump orde... [t:76062702]...</cite> <quote>With the hysterical headlines, you'd think that this is big news... but in reality one of those parks was only established last year and the other park only dates back to Clinton. When looking at the facts, the outrage is hilarious. And, even with the reduction, the parks are massive.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PK_Spam 12/04/17 8:50:03 PM #8:	Zeus posted... With the hysterical headlines, you'd think that this is big news... but in reality one of those parks was only established last year and the other park only dates back to Clinton. When looking at the facts, the outrage is hilarious. And, even with the reduction, the parks are massive. And what's stopping him from reducing the sizes of other parks further? Nothing. Trump is an asshole and a menace for the environment. This shit is gonna set us back for yeeeeeeeaaaarrrrrs and he knows it. --- https://i.imgur.com/hCHZS1f.gif <cite>PK_Spam posted [p:891600448] in Trump orde... [t:76062702]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote>With the hysterical headlines, you'd think that this is big news... but in reality one of those parks was only established last year and the other park only dates back to Clinton. When looking at the facts, the outrage is hilarious. And, even with the reduction, the parks are massive.</quote> And what's stopping him from reducing the sizes of other parks further? Nothing. Trump is an asshole and a menace for the environment. This shit is gonna set us back for yeeeeeeeaaaarrrrrs and he knows it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Melon_Master 12/04/17 8:53:08 PM #9:	PK_Spam posted... Zeus posted... With the hysterical headlines, you'd think that this is big news... but in reality one of those parks was only established last year and the other park only dates back to Clinton. When looking at the facts, the outrage is hilarious. And, even with the reduction, the parks are massive. And what's stopping him from reducing the sizes of other parks further? Nothing. Trump is an asshole and a menace for the environment. This shit is gonna set us back for yeeeeeeeaaaarrrrrs and he knows it. This. ^^^ --- http://i.imgur.com/linui.png http://i.imgur.com/FiYI1.jpg PotDs UnOfficial President and Official Sheldon Cooper <cite>Melon_Master posted [p:891600640] in Trump orde... [t:76062702]...</cite> <quote><cite>PK_Spam posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote>With the hysterical headlines, you'd think that this is big news... but in reality one of those parks was only established last year and the other park only dates back to Clinton. When looking at the facts, the outrage is hilarious. And, even with the reduction, the parks are massive.</quote> And what's stopping him from reducing the sizes of other parks further? Nothing. Trump is an asshole and a menace for the environment. This shit is gonna set us back for yeeeeeeeaaaarrrrrs and he knows it.</quote> This. ^^^</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jen0125 12/04/17 8:53:09 PM #10:	Zeus posted... With the hysterical headlines, you'd think that this is big news... but in reality one of those parks was only established last year and the other park only dates back to Clinton. When looking at the facts, the outrage is hilarious. And, even with the reduction, the parks are massive. Who cares when they were established? --- http://i.imgur.com/4ihiyS2.jpg "I am not gay! Can't you get that through your head? I am very much aroused at the site of a naked woman!" - Dan0429 <cite>Jen0125 posted [p:891600643] in Trump orde... [t:76062702]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote>With the hysterical headlines, you'd think that this is big news... but in reality one of those parks was only established last year and the other park only dates back to Clinton. When looking at the facts, the outrage is hilarious. And, even with the reduction, the parks are massive.</quote> Who cares when they were established?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Rockies 12/04/17 8:57:18 PM #11:	Zeus is such a pathetic reactionary. "Well this rule wasn't always in place, so it's okay to roll it back." I've seen him use this defense for several environmental issues and stuff like net neutrality. You'd think that if they weren't big deals, he could actually come up with more reasons than that for defending these things <cite>Rockies posted [p:891600893] in Trump orde... [t:76062702]...</cite> <quote>Zeus is such a pathetic reactionary. "Well this rule wasn't always in place, so it's okay to roll it back." I've seen him use this defense for several environmental issues and stuff like net neutrality. You'd think that if they weren't big deals, he could actually come up with more reasons than that for defending these things</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NightShift 12/04/17 8:59:09 PM #12:	it just means he will be 100% ok when the day comes all of trumps things are reversed. and that day will come. --- #BikeLife <cite>NightShift posted [p:891601007] in Trump orde... [t:76062702]...</cite> <quote>it just means he will be 100% ok when the day comes all of trumps things are reversed. and that day will come.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WastelandCowboy 12/04/17 9:00:13 PM #13:	Rockies posted... Zeus is such a pathetic reactionary. "Well this rule wasn't always in place, so it's okay to roll it back." I've seen him use this defense for several environmental issues and stuff like net neutrality. You'd think that if they weren't big deals, he could actually come up with more reasons than that for defending these things One of the reasons why I have him set as ignored. <cite>WastelandCowboy posted [p:891601071] in Trump orde... [t:76062702]...</cite> <quote><cite>Rockies posted...</cite> <quote>Zeus is such a pathetic reactionary. "Well this rule wasn't always in place, so it's okay to roll it back." I've seen him use this defense for several environmental issues and stuff like net neutrality. You'd think that if they weren't big deals, he could actually come up with more reasons than that for defending these things</quote> One of the reasons why I have him set as ignored.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeus 12/04/17 9:01:32 PM #14:	PK_Spam posted... Zeus posted... With the hysterical headlines, you'd think that this is big news... but in reality one of those parks was only established last year and the other park only dates back to Clinton. When looking at the facts, the outrage is hilarious. And, even with the reduction, the parks are massive. And what's stopping him from reducing the sizes of other parks further? Nothing. Trump is an asshole and a menace for the environment. This shit is gonna set us back for yeeeeeeeaaaarrrrrs and he knows it. Is this Poe's Law in effect? Because I can't tell if you were going for satire or if you were being serious given the general silliness of the complaints. --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| In Zeus We Trust: All Others Pay Cash <cite>Zeus posted [p:891601153] in Trump orde... [t:76062702]...</cite> <quote><cite>PK_Spam posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote>With the hysterical headlines, you'd think that this is big news... but in reality one of those parks was only established last year and the other park only dates back to Clinton. When looking at the facts, the outrage is hilarious. And, even with the reduction, the parks are massive.</quote> And what's stopping him from reducing the sizes of other parks further? Nothing. Trump is an asshole and a menace for the environment. This shit is gonna set us back for yeeeeeeeaaaarrrrrs and he knows it.</quote> Is this Poe's Law in effect? Because I can't tell if you were going for satire or if you were being serious given the general silliness of the complaints.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeus 12/04/17 9:07:24 PM #15:	Rockies posted... Zeus is such a pathetic reactionary. "Well this rule wasn't always in place, so it's okay to roll it back." I've seen him use this defense for several environmental issues and stuff like net neutrality. You'd think that if they weren't big deals, he could actually come up with more reasons than that for defending these things Nothing you described is reactionary. And it's perfectly reasonable to point out to chicken littles shouting about falling skies that something didn't exist until very recently. I swear, you're worse than Erik with this nonsense. Remember when he was whining about how Trump got rid of a protection which meant that our rivers and air were going to be polluted while overlooking that the EO didn't exist until 2009 and was focused on CO2 emissions rather than clean air, etc? Nor did I suggest getting rid of the park entirely. Given that the original size was fucking massive and controlled by the feds, this seems a healthy compromise. WastelandCowboy posted... Rockies posted... Zeus is such a pathetic reactionary. "Well this rule wasn't always in place, so it's okay to roll it back." I've seen him use this defense for several environmental issues and stuff like net neutrality. You'd think that if they weren't big deals, he could actually come up with more reasons than that for defending these things One of the reasons why I have him set as ignored. Given what you've become -- a political version of NMB with shitposts not understanding how people can accept donations -- I can't say I lose much for not interacting with you. I regret to say that I wrongly held you in some regard in the past. --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| In Zeus We Trust: All Others Pay Cash <cite>Zeus posted [p:891601506] in Trump orde... [t:76062702]...</cite> <quote><cite>Rockies posted...</cite> <quote>Zeus is such a pathetic reactionary. "Well this rule wasn't always in place, so it's okay to roll it back." I've seen him use this defense for several environmental issues and stuff like net neutrality. You'd think that if they weren't big deals, he could actually come up with more reasons than that for defending these things</quote> Nothing you described is reactionary. And it's perfectly reasonable to point out to chicken littles shouting about falling skies that something didn't exist until very recently. I swear, you're worse than Erik with this nonsense. Remember when he was whining about how Trump got rid of a protection which meant that our rivers and air were going to be polluted while overlooking that the EO didn't exist until 2009 and was focused on CO2 emissions rather than clean air, etc? Nor did I suggest getting rid of the park entirely. Given that the original size was fucking massive and controlled by the feds, this seems a healthy compromise. <cite>WastelandCowboy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Rockies posted...</cite> <quote>Zeus is such a pathetic reactionary. "Well this rule wasn't always in place, so it's okay to roll it back." I've seen him use this defense for several environmental issues and stuff like net neutrality. You'd think that if they weren't big deals, he could actually come up with more reasons than that for defending these things</quote> One of the reasons why I have him set as ignored.</quote> Given what you've become -- a political version of NMB with shitposts not understanding how people can accept donations -- I can't say I lose much for not interacting with you. I regret to say that I wrongly held you in some regard in the past.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Cruddy_horse 12/04/17 9:37:32 PM #16:	Jen0125 posted... I hate that the humans on this planet just want to develop every inch of it and leave no wildlife or nature reserves. I'm kinda glad I won't be alive in the far future to see how gross the planet is because we don't take care of it. Agreed 300%. --- equo ne credite! <cite>Cruddy_horse posted [p:891603397] in Trump orde... [t:76062702]...</cite> <quote><cite>Jen0125 posted...</cite> <quote>I hate that the humans on this planet just want to develop every inch of it and leave no wildlife or nature reserves. I'm kinda glad I won't be alive in the far future to see how gross the planet is because we don't take care of it.</quote> Agreed 300%.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
knivesX2004 12/04/17 9:49:41 PM #17:	Wow, it's almost like we elected a fat old baby who wants to undo everything we've done over the last 8 years while contributing nothing. <cite>knivesX2004 posted [p:891604122] in Trump orde... [t:76062702]...</cite> <quote>Wow, it's almost like we elected a fat old baby who wants to undo everything we've done over the last 8 years while contributing nothing.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
helIy 12/04/17 9:50:21 PM #18:	i've honestly never heard of either of those i'm not saying this is okay, because it isn't just that i didn't know those were a thing WastelandCowboy posted... Bears Ears' landscape to incompatible oil and gas development. but that is 100% the reason why he did that one --- "Dogs smell like they've had too much fun and need a bath Cats smell like espionage" - Mead <cite>helIy posted [p:891604159] in Trump orde... [t:76062702]...</cite> <quote>i've honestly never heard of either of those i'm not saying this is okay, because it isn't just that i didn't know those were a thing <cite>WastelandCowboy posted...</cite> <quote>Bears Ears' landscape to incompatible oil and gas development.</quote> but that is 100% the reason why he did that one</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mead 12/04/17 9:52:22 PM #19:	Everyone stop talking about Michael Flynn and Jared Kushner Quick over here look at this dumb thing Im doing --- All praise Mead <cite>Mead posted [p:891604286] in Trump orde... [t:76062702]...</cite> <quote>Everyone stop talking about Michael Flynn and Jared Kushner Quick over here look at this dumb thing Im doing</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Melon_Master 12/04/17 9:53:05 PM #20:	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5IXef6BJJU --- http://i.imgur.com/linui.png http://i.imgur.com/FiYI1.jpg PotDs UnOfficial President and Official Sheldon Cooper <cite>Melon_Master posted [p:891604315] in Trump orde... [t:76062702]...</cite> <quote> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5IXef6BJJU</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeus 12/04/17 10:03:41 PM #21:	knivesX2004 posted... Wow, it's almost like we elected a fat old baby who wants to undo everything we've done over the last 8 years while contributing nothing. Irony or hypocrisy? --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| In Zeus We Trust: All Others Pay Cash <cite>Zeus posted [p:891604968] in Trump orde... [t:76062702]...</cite> <quote><cite>knivesX2004 posted...</cite> <quote>Wow, it's almost like we elected a fat old baby who wants to undo everything we've done over the last 8 years while contributing nothing.</quote> Irony or hypocrisy?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
knivesX2004 12/04/17 10:09:05 PM #22:	Zeus posted... Irony or hypocrisy? You can be old and be a baby. Look at Benjamin Button. <cite>knivesX2004 posted [p:891605245] in Trump orde... [t:76062702]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote>Irony or hypocrisy?</quote> You can be old and be a baby. Look at Benjamin Button.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 12/04/17 10:09:58 PM #23:	Meanwhile, in the rest of the west... http://bigthink.com/strange-maps/291-federal-lands-in-the-us Bits of Nevada, maybe, because it's still vaguely radioactive, but there's no good reason at all for the federal government to hold on to 640 million acres. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:891605297] in Trump orde... [t:76062702]...</cite> <quote>Meanwhile, in the rest of the west... http://bigthink.com/strange-maps/291-federal-lands-in-the-us Bits of Nevada, maybe, because it's still vaguely radioactive, but there's no good reason at all for the federal government to hold on to 640 million acres.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BlackScythe0 12/04/17 10:19:50 PM #24:	Fuck Trump and fuck everything he stands for. <cite>BlackScythe0 posted [p:891605934] in Trump orde... [t:76062702]...</cite> <quote>Fuck Trump and fuck everything he stands for.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Cacciato 12/04/17 10:20:29 PM #25:	Melon_Master posted... Bears Ears, brought to you by Pepsi Co. Im more of a Grand Staircase by Jack Daniels and Coca Cola kinda guy. <cite>Cacciato posted [p:891605977] in Trump orde... [t:76062702]...</cite> <quote><cite>Melon_Master posted...</cite> <quote>Bears Ears, brought to you by Pepsi Co.</quote> Im more of a Grand Staircase by Jack Daniels and Coca Cola kinda guy.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 12/04/17 10:22:48 PM #26:	http://business.time.com/2013/02/05/the-federal-governments-128-trillion-stockpile-the-answer-to-our-debt-problems/ There. There's your bernie-bro funding solution. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:891606123] in Trump orde... [t:76062702]...</cite> <quote>http://business.time.com/2013/02/05/the-federal-governments-128-trillion-stockpile-the-answer-to-our-debt-problems/ There. There's your bernie-bro funding solution.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Smarkil 12/04/17 10:34:46 PM #27:	As a Utahn, not a fan of this. Our nature quotient is the only reason to even be in Utah. If that's gone, there's really no point in being here. --- "We're not even close" - Romans building Rome at the end of Day 1 <cite>Smarkil posted [p:891606902] in Trump orde... [t:76062702]...</cite> <quote>As a Utahn, not a fan of this. Our nature quotient is the only reason to even be in Utah. If that's gone, there's really no point in being here.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
dioxxys 12/05/17 12:05:24 AM #28:	okay, first time saying this but fuck trump dont touch my damn nature <cite>dioxxys posted [p:891611987] in Trump orde... [t:76062702]...</cite> <quote>okay, first time saying this but fuck trump dont touch my damn nature</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Firewood18 12/05/17 12:25:23 AM #29:	It's just a bunch of trees and stuff that weren't doing anything. Deport them! --- Nobody is perfect. Well, one guy was but we killed him. <cite>Firewood18 posted [p:891612808] in Trump orde... [t:76062702]...</cite> <quote>It's just a bunch of trees and stuff that weren't doing anything. Deport them!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 12/05/17 12:46:44 AM #30:	dioxxys posted... dont touch my damn nature It's for sale apparently, so feel free to submit a bid. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:891613622] in Trump orde... [t:76062702]...</cite> <quote><cite>dioxxys posted...</cite> <quote>dont touch my damn nature</quote> It's for sale apparently, so feel free to submit a bid.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
dioxxys 12/05/17 12:48:16 AM #31:	Questionmarktarius posted... dioxxys posted... dont touch my damn nature It's for sale apparently, so feel free to submit a bid. If I was a billionaire yeah, I'd buy that shit <cite>dioxxys posted [p:891613669] in Trump orde... [t:76062702]...</cite> <quote><cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote><cite>dioxxys posted...</cite> <quote>dont touch my damn nature</quote> It's for sale apparently, so feel free to submit a bid.</quote> If I was a billionaire yeah, I'd buy that shit</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zikten 12/05/17 12:52:04 AM #32:	Firewood18 posted... It's just a bunch of trees and stuff that weren't doing anything. Deport them! There is also some 12,000 year old native art on rock walls <cite>Zikten posted [p:891613833] in Trump orde... [t:76062702]...</cite> <quote><cite>Firewood18 posted...</cite> <quote>It's just a bunch of trees and stuff that weren't doing anything. Deport them!</quote> There is also some 12,000 year old native art on rock walls</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kyuubi4269 12/05/17 12:55:41 AM #33:	Jen0125 posted... I hate that the humans on this planet just want to develop every inch of it and leave no wildlife or nature reserves. Ya, 1 million acres is nothing. With more people comes a need for more land, you can't have one without the other. --- RIP_Supa posted... I've seen some stuff <cite>Kyuubi4269 posted [p:891613982] in Trump orde... [t:76062702]...</cite> <quote><cite>Jen0125 posted...</cite> <quote>I hate that the humans on this planet just want to develop every inch of it and leave no wildlife or nature reserves. </quote> Ya, 1 million acres is nothing. With more people comes a need for more land, you can't have one without the other.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BlackScythe0 12/05/17 1:09:51 AM #34:	Kyuubi4269 posted... Jen0125 posted... I hate that the humans on this planet just want to develop every inch of it and leave no wildlife or nature reserves. Ya, 1 million acres is nothing. With more people comes a need for more land, you can't have one without the other. We are no where near that point. <cite>BlackScythe0 posted [p:891614542] in Trump orde... [t:76062702]...</cite> <quote><cite>Kyuubi4269 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Jen0125 posted...</cite> <quote>I hate that the humans on this planet just want to develop every inch of it and leave no wildlife or nature reserves. </quote> Ya, 1 million acres is nothing. With more people comes a need for more land, you can't have one without the other.</quote> We are no where near that point.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeus 12/05/17 1:56:36 AM #35:	dioxxys posted... Questionmarktarius posted... dioxxys posted... dont touch my damn nature It's for sale apparently, so feel free to submit a bid. If I was a billionaire yeah, I'd buy that shit Crowdfund it. Kyuubi4269 posted... Jen0125 posted... I hate that the humans on this planet just want to develop every inch of it and leave no wildlife or nature reserves. Ya, 1 million acres is nothing. With more people comes a need for more land, you can't have one without the other. Then we either need more land or fewer people. Let's get to work building new continents or let Obama build his death panels. --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| In Zeus We Trust: All Others Pay Cash <cite>Zeus posted [p:891616225] in Trump orde... [t:76062702]...</cite> <quote><cite>dioxxys posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote><cite>dioxxys posted...</cite> <quote>dont touch my damn nature</quote> It's for sale apparently, so feel free to submit a bid.</quote> If I was a billionaire yeah, I'd buy that shit</quote> Crowdfund it. <cite>Kyuubi4269 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Jen0125 posted...</cite> <quote>I hate that the humans on this planet just want to develop every inch of it and leave no wildlife or nature reserves. </quote> Ya, 1 million acres is nothing. With more people comes a need for more land, you can't have one without the other.</quote> Then we either need more land or fewer people. Let's get to work building new continents or let Obama build his death panels.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Foppe 12/05/17 6:00:00 AM #36:	Sweden got a small island named Gotland that is 3140 km2. You can easily fit 4 people per square meter, which makes it possible to fit over 12.5 billion people. We are 7.6 billion people in the world, which means we are not even using 2/3 of the island to fit everybody. Build it on the height and we can easily fit everybody with an acceptable living standard. So do we really need that extra space? --- GameFAQs isn't going to be merged in with GameSpot or any other site. We're not going to strip out the soul of the site. -CJayC <cite>Foppe posted [p:891621363] in Trump orde... [t:76062702]...</cite> <quote>Sweden got a small island named Gotland that is 3140 km2. You can easily fit 4 people per square meter, which makes it possible to fit over 12.5 billion people. We are 7.6 billion people in the world, which means we are not even using 2/3 of the island to fit everybody. Build it on the height and we can easily fit everybody with an acceptable living standard. So do we really need that extra space?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SmokeMassTree 12/05/17 6:11:36 AM #37:	Trump saves millions in tax dollars while also allowing unused land to be sold towards the national debt Omgzzz he is the evil Y'all really need to chill --- A.K. 2/14/10 T.C.P. Victorious Champion of the 1st Annual POTd Hunger Games and the POTd Battle Royale Season 3 <cite>SmokeMassTree posted [p:891621554] in Trump orde... [t:76062702]...</cite> <quote>Trump saves millions in tax dollars while also allowing unused land to be sold towards the national debt Omgzzz he is the evil Y'all really need to chill</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jen0125 12/05/17 7:06:03 AM #38:	Zeus posted... Then we either need more land or fewer people. Let's get to work building new continents or let Obama build his death panels And he talks about poes law to other people then brings up "Obama death panels." --- http://i.imgur.com/4ihiyS2.jpg "I am not gay! Can't you get that through your head? I am very much aroused at the site of a naked woman!" - Dan0429 <cite>Jen0125 posted [p:891622528] in Trump orde... [t:76062702]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote>Then we either need more land or fewer people. Let's get to work building new continents or let Obama build his death panels</quote> And he talks about poes law to other people then brings up "Obama death panels."</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
helIy 12/05/17 7:22:42 AM #39:	tf is a death panel sounds metal af --- "Dogs smell like they've had too much fun and need a bath Cats smell like espionage" - Mead <cite>helIy posted [p:891622862] in Trump orde... [t:76062702]...</cite> <quote>tf is a death panel sounds metal af</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sarcasthma 12/05/17 7:26:53 AM #40:	helIy posted... tf is a death panel sounds metal af Obama and the Death Panel Jen0125 posted... Zeus posted... Then we either need more land or fewer people. Let's get to work building new continents or let Obama build his death panels And he talks about poes law to other people then brings up "Obama death panels." Apparently, Sarah Palin is credited with coming up with the term "death panels." --- What's the difference between a pickpocket and a peeping tom? A pickpocket snatches your watch. <cite>Sarcasthma posted [p:891622955] in Trump orde... [t:76062702]...</cite> <quote><cite>helIy posted...</cite> <quote>tf is a death panel sounds metal af</quote> Obama and the Death Panel <cite>Jen0125 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote>Then we either need more land or fewer people. Let's get to work building new continents or let Obama build his death panels</quote> And he talks about poes law to other people then brings up "Obama death panels."</quote> Apparently, Sarah Palin is credited with coming up with the term "death panels."</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Foppe 12/05/17 7:29:00 AM #41:	https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_panel --- GameFAQs isn't going to be merged in with GameSpot or any other site. We're not going to strip out the soul of the site. -CJayC <cite>Foppe posted [p:891622998] in Trump orde... [t:76062702]...</cite> <quote>https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_panel</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OneTimeBen 12/05/17 7:40:44 AM #42:	This is fucked up. But chances are there is oil or other resources in those areas to keep our ship running. We need resources. And our enemies are not concerned about parks --- Still waters run deep <cite>OneTimeBen posted [p:891623285] in Trump orde... [t:76062702]...</cite> <quote>This is fucked up. But chances are there is oil or other resources in those areas to keep our ship running. We need resources. And our enemies are not concerned about parks</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kyuubi4269 12/05/17 7:55:47 AM #43:	Zeus posted... Then we either need more land or fewer people. Let's get to work building new continents or let Obama build his death panels. I'm alright with just not accepting refugees and letting illegal immigrants drown themselves in the Mediterranean trying to sneak borders, but whatevs. --- RIP_Supa posted... I've seen some stuff <cite>Kyuubi4269 posted [p:891623648] in Trump orde... [t:76062702]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote>Then we either need more land or fewer people. Let's get to work building new continents or let Obama build his death panels.</quote> I'm alright with just not accepting refugees and letting illegal immigrants drown themselves in the Mediterranean trying to sneak borders, but whatevs.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JosefuJustice11 12/05/17 8:04:50 AM #44:	Cruddy_horse posted... Jen0125 posted... I hate that the humans on this planet just want to develop every inch of it and leave no wildlife or nature reserves. I'm kinda glad I won't be alive in the far future to see how gross the planet is because we don't take care of it. Agreed 300%. --- I felt like I was watching a dream I'd never wake up from...hmp. Before I knew it, the dream was all over. <cite>JosefuJustice11 posted [p:891623890] in Trump orde... [t:76062702]...</cite> <quote><cite>Cruddy_horse posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Jen0125 posted...</cite> <quote>I hate that the humans on this planet just want to develop every inch of it and leave no wildlife or nature reserves. I'm kinda glad I won't be alive in the far future to see how gross the planet is because we don't take care of it.</quote> Agreed 300%.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OneTimeBen 12/05/17 8:18:59 AM #45:	JosefuJustice11 posted... Cruddy_horse posted... Jen0125 posted... I hate that the humans on this planet just want to develop every inch of it and leave no wildlife or nature reserves. I'm kinda glad I won't be alive in the far future to see how gross the planet is because we don't take care of it. Agreed 300%. It doesnt need to be like that. The people still living in the Stone Age need to go. Most educated people can come to agreement on co existance. --- Still waters run deep <cite>OneTimeBen posted [p:891624285] in Trump orde... [t:76062702]...</cite> <quote><cite>JosefuJustice11 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Cruddy_horse posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Jen0125 posted...</cite> <quote>I hate that the humans on this planet just want to develop every inch of it and leave no wildlife or nature reserves. I'm kinda glad I won't be alive in the far future to see how gross the planet is because we don't take care of it.</quote> Agreed 300%.</quote></quote> It doesnt need to be like that. The people still living in the Stone Age need to go. Most educated people can come to agreement on co existance.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OneTimeBen 12/05/17 9:03:50 AM #46:	Truth is most of the Middle East needs to go as well as North Korea. Then we can talk about our future as one. --- Still waters run deep <cite>OneTimeBen posted [p:891625621] in Trump orde... [t:76062702]...</cite> <quote>Truth is most of the Middle East needs to go as well as North Korea. Then we can talk about our future as one.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sarcasthma 12/05/17 9:14:23 AM #47:	OneTimeBen posted... Truth is most of the Middle East needs to go as well as North Korea. Then we can talk about our future as one. Needs to go? --- What's the difference between a pickpocket and a peeping tom? A pickpocket snatches your watch. <cite>Sarcasthma posted [p:891625956] in Trump orde... [t:76062702]...</cite> <quote><cite>OneTimeBen posted...</cite> <quote>Truth is most of the Middle East needs to go as well as North Korea. Then we can talk about our future as one.</quote> Needs to go?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BlackScythe0 12/05/17 9:20:57 AM #48:	Sarcasthma posted... OneTimeBen posted... Truth is most of the Middle East needs to go as well as North Korea. Then we can talk about our future as one. Needs to go? Some people think nukes are a miracle cure. <cite>BlackScythe0 posted [p:891626189] in Trump orde... [t:76062702]...</cite> <quote><cite>Sarcasthma posted...</cite> <quote><cite>OneTimeBen posted...</cite> <quote>Truth is most of the Middle East needs to go as well as North Korea. Then we can talk about our future as one.</quote> Needs to go?</quote> Some people think nukes are a miracle cure.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PK_Spam 12/05/17 9:25:45 AM #49:	Kyuubi4269 posted... Zeus posted... Then we either need more land or fewer people. Let's get to work building new continents or let Obama build his death panels. I'm alright with just not accepting refugees and letting illegal immigrants drown themselves in the Mediterranean trying to sneak borders, but whatevs. You just gave me a reason to think you're an utter piece of shit when I never once paid any mind to you before. SmokeMassTree posted... Trump saves millions in tax dollars while also allowing unused land to be sold towards the national debt Omgzzz he is the evil Y'all really need to chill Too bad the majority of those tax dollars are going to the elite rich and not normal people like you and me. If Trump can be commended for one thing, it's convincing people like you that you're going to benefit from his tax plans and budget cuts. This shit isn't for us. This shit is for his shareholders and rich buddies. --- https://i.imgur.com/hCHZS1f.gif <cite>PK_Spam posted [p:891626366] in Trump orde... [t:76062702]...</cite> <quote><cite>Kyuubi4269 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote>Then we either need more land or fewer people. Let's get to work building new continents or let Obama build his death panels.</quote> I'm alright with just not accepting refugees and letting illegal immigrants drown themselves in the Mediterranean trying to sneak borders, but whatevs.</quote> You just gave me a reason to think you're an utter piece of shit when I never once paid any mind to you before. <cite>SmokeMassTree posted...</cite> <quote>Trump saves millions in tax dollars while also allowing unused land to be sold towards the national debt Omgzzz he is the evil Y'all really need to chill</quote> Too bad the majority of those tax dollars are going to the elite rich and not normal people like you and me. If Trump can be commended for one thing, it's convincing people like you that you're going to benefit from his tax plans and budget cuts. This shit isn't for us. This shit is for his shareholders and rich buddies.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
not__shawn__z 12/05/17 9:40:54 AM #50:	^Waahhhh wahhh the people who spend more money on taxes are going to save more than I am!!!!!! Wahhhhhh <cite>not__shawn__z posted [p:891626934] in Trump orde... [t:76062702]...</cite> <quote>^Waahhhh wahhh the people who spend more money on taxes are going to save more than I am!!!!!! Wahhhhhh</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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