Board 8 > ace attorney topic: the return (spoilers for 1-5, AAI1-2)

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i feel like that idea was floated before, but flashback cases kept interfering - 4-0 for instance

does the HD port let you select which portion of the case to go to?

and i assume that only mainline games are going in. though starting with gregory could be amusing.
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Eh, 4-0 is part of the MASON System, so you can just treat it as "I'm viewing this simulation of the past in the present day." Same with E2-3. Just treat it as "Ray is telling this story of something that happened in the past."

SeabassDebeste posted...

does the HD port let you select which portion of the case to go to?

PW1-3 HD didn't, at least not on 3DS. Doubt this one will be different.
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actually 4-4 is the only case where Day 1 is clearly the best.

I guess I was thinking of Trial 1 and Trial 2 as essentially a "one day trial" since it all happens in the same day. "Whoops."
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4-4 day 2 is one of the worst trial days in the series and it somehow manages only to be the second worst trial day in its own case.
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LeonhartFour posted...

Eh, 4-0 is part of the MASON System, so you can just treat it as "I'm viewing this simulation of the past in the present day." Same with E2-3. Just treat it as "Ray is telling this story of something that happened in the past."

SeabassDebeste posted...

does the HD port let you select which portion of the case to go to?

PW1-3 HD didn't, at least not on 3DS. Doubt this one will be different.

What do you do with 3-4 then?

You can pick cases. You can't just skip to specific points in the case though, like you can in DD and SoJ.

actually 5-4 will be the weird one since I'd have to play the first day and then go back and play 5-1 before playing the second day
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i'd disagree with that! the murder in 4-0 is actually really cool, and it's not tedious.

LeonhartFour posted...

Eh, 4-0 is part of the MASON System, so you can just treat it as "I'm viewing this simulation of the past in the present day." Same with E2-3. Just treat it as "Ray is telling this story of something that happened in the past."

so no breaking up cases, then? that seems pretty doable!
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4-0 doesn't really have time to be tedious! It's pretty short. Neither does 4-4 day 2, but it's still terrible.

4-0 had the working parts to be good, but it...wasn't, for obvious reasons.
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Well, assuming you don't break up cases when it's not possible to do so, the timeline order would be...

E1-4
3-4
3-1
1-1
1-2
1-3
1-4
1-5
2-2
2-1
2-3
2-4
3-2
3-3
3-5
E1-2
E1-3
E1-1
E1-5
E2-1
E2-2
E2-3
E2-4
E2-5
4-1
4-2
4-3
4-4
5-2
5-6
5-3
5-4 (part 1)
5-1
5-4 (part 2)
5-5
6-1
6-2
6-3
6-4
6-5
6-6

Do I have this right?

i don't really think the AAI cases fit the canon neatly

LeonhartFour posted...

4-0 doesn't really have time to be tedious! It's pretty short. Neither does 4-4 day 2, but it's still terrible.

4-0 had the working parts to be good, but it...wasn't, for obvious reasons.

4-0 has bad parts but it has good parts. 4-4 day 2 has none of the latter, so easy call for me here.
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I don't think there's any question about when the AAI games happen right?

Yep, pretty sure that's right.

Starting with E1-4 and the T&T flashback cases will be kinda jarring, but it probably won't "feel" too different from a regular playthrough other than that, honestly.
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Paratroopa1 posted...

I don't think there's any question about when the AAI games happen right?

No, they pretty clearly happen during the gap between 3-5 and 4-0.
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Not too many things going on here - playing AAI1 and DD in a wacky order, playing T&T without the flashback cases, and making 2-1 seem even more silly than it already is

i guess what i mean is, AAI games don't fit nicely into such a playthrough at all. they're their own thing. but then, that's just my opinion!
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Now LvW, THERE'S a game that doesn't fit the canon neatly.

Paratroopa1 posted...

Not too many things going on here - playing AAI1 and DD in a wacky order, playing T&T without the flashback cases, and making 2-1 seem even more silly than it already is

also lmao. totally didn't realize this.
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Yeah, Layton/AA doesn't really go anywhere, so I probably won't bother with it.
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is 5-6 really Phoenix Wright's first trial after being disbarred? that seems bizarre
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SeabassDebeste posted...

i guess what i mean is, AAI games don't fit nicely into such a playthrough at all. they're their own thing. but then, that's just my opinion!

Kinda, but I assume the point is still to play the entire series

transience posted...

is 5-6 really Phoenix Wright's first trial after being disbarred? that seems bizarre

Yep, it's called Turnabout Reclaimed for a reason!

(that reason being "Rise from the Ashes" was already taken)
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transience posted...

is 5-6 really Phoenix Wright's first trial after being disbarred? that seems bizarre

Yes, it is really his first trial after being disbarred

Not only is it the first one we see, but it's actually canonically the first one

When Phoenix goes to talk in 5-3 about coming back to the lawyering profession, he's going to give a talk about how he successfully defended an orca

this is all canon

I need to relook at it, but isn't it a Big Deal that Phoenix is lawyering in 5-1? or is this like a 3-1/3-4 situation?
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It's a big deal every time Phoenix lawyers

But 5-6 does happen before 5-1

I think they do talk about him returning to court in 5-1 but uh... I mean, 5-6 still happens before 5-1, so I guess they just messed that up

but also there's like a few months in between 5-6 and 5-1 probably because Phoenix sure doesn't do very much work

at least Simon gets 5-2 before 5-6

what a dumb timeline
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I think it's a big deal Phoenix shows up in 5-1 because he's there to save the day after Athena freaks out.

They make it a super big deal in the game because it's the first case you'll play, but in terms of the timeline, it's not.
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But yeah, 5-2 takes place in April, 5-6 in July, 5-3 in October, and then 5-1, 5-4, and 5-5 take place in like a 4-day span in December.
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speaking of timelines

we're actually coming up soon on when 2-3 is supposed to happen in "real life"

mark March 20, 2018, on your calendars for 2-4
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"Phoenix's first case back is some case where he defends an orca" is kind of up there with "Gregory Edgeworth's last case is some case that involved a dessert competition"

that's just the AA world for you

that robs aa5 is maybe the most important moment in the game - Phoenix's return to law after 7 years. how do you screw that up? ugh
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5-1 is Phoenix's return to law after 6 months, though!

Manfred von Karma's first appearance in the timeline is him walking out of a pastry castle.

never forget
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transcience posted...

that robs aa5 is maybe the most important moment in the game - Phoenix's return to law after 7 years. how do you screw that up? ugh

well 5-6 is DLC so maybe they assumed a lot of people wouldn't end up playing it

it's still really weird though yeah
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LeonhartFour posted...

Manfred von Karma's first appearance in the timeline is him walking out of a pastry castle.

never forget

It really brings a whole new dimension to 1-4 when you realize that Gregory Edgeworth first met the man who would eventually kill him walking out of a giant dessert castle

best off purging 5-1 from existence and just replacing it with 5-6 in-universe, tbh!
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that case is what earned von Karma a penalty and made him angry enough to kill someone
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LeonhartFour posted...

that case is what earned von Karma a penalty and made him angry enough to kill someone

Never forget that when THE DL-6 incident occurred, Jeff Master was probably in the building that day, and maybe Katherine Hall and Delicia Scones too

And Ray for some reason just went home.
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LeonhartFour posted...

Manfred von Karma's first appearance in the timeline is him walking out of a pastry castle.

never forget

I believe this too

which, again, is why e2-3 is the bottom case from aai2
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E2-3 is great in spite of the absurdities it creates for DL-6.

also just checked the eShop and DD is $10 and SoJ is $15 if you haven't bought those yet and you're reading this topic for some reason
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LeonhartFour posted...

And Ray for some reason just went home.

Oh yeah him too I guess

Detective Badd and Blaise were probably there, too.
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I'm down on E2-3 for the setting just as much as the timeline. it is kinda weird that I think E2-3 messed with the timeline more than 4-4, but it's true. I guess I value the OT more than anything after that. 3-5 is a clean break and the AA4 stuff, while messy, is contained. but E2-3? that's tainting DL-6.
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Well, 4-4's impact on the timeline is fairly minimal since they didn't bother following up on the stuff that could've changed the direction of the series, especially the Jurist System.

I don't even really think of E2-3 though when I think of DL-6, which I guess is weird but they're almost two separate incidents in my mind unless I consciously link them like I did in this topic.
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I guess I just don't get why people demolish 4-4 for its imploding the timeline while calling E2-3 a top 5ish case for desecrating DL-6's corpse. oh well.
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because E2-3 is cool and funny

Why do you feel like E2-3 had a harmful effect on DL-6?
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Because I don't think E2-3 actually does any harm to DL-6. Like, I can replay PW1 and still think DL-6 is cool as heck.

4-4 was bad when it nearly resulted in the death of the series. Now it's just an unfortunate mistake.
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it's weird to think back on AA4 just after the original trilogy

AA1-3 were all awesome as hell and going into AA4 I had absolutely no reason to expect it wouldn't be fantastic, and then 4-1 showed amazing promise for another classic game

and then the rest of the game sucked

and pretty much ever since, every new AA game has been like, "man, I hope this one doesn't suck"

it's weird but I still expect every Ace Attorney game to be great

but I still expect every Final Fantasy game to be great too so I guess I'm just irrationally optimistic
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