Poll of the Day > Feminist tweets that she doesn't care about false sexual assault accusations

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I can't link to the actual thread because she's since protected her Twitter account, but:

https://am21.akamaized.net/lc/cnt/uploads/2017/11/Lindin-tweet.jpg
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2017/11/21/teen-vogue-columnist-not-at-all-concerned-about-innocent-men-and-false-harassment-allegations/
http://tinyurl.com/EmilyLindinEvilTweet (Google's cache of the thread; not sure how long this will work)

Do you think that many feminists think this? I hope the answer is no. Surely a decent person would at least say it's a bad thing when somebody gets in trouble for something they didn't do, but that at some point you have to assume there's enough evidence that a person did something? You don't just say "whatever" about the possibility of innocent people getting in trouble.

Later in the thread she said she meant that she didn't care about white men in positions of power getting in trouble for false accusations, but why does simply fitting that profile mean that there's no cause for concern if you get in trouble for something you didn't do?

i think what shes saying is we shouldnt be keeping quiet about this cuz there might be a few bad eggs. it is honestly pretty rare that someone is legitimately falsely accused
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JunkoEnoshima posted...

i think what shes saying is we shouldnt be keeping quiet about this cuz there might be a few bad eggs. it is honestly pretty rare that someone is legitimately falsely accused

This, feminism is the future.
If you are against feminism than you are being evil
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i dont know how you got that from my post but you're a troll alt anyway
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sounds exactly like something youd say though kana, being the irrational, brainwashed sjw that you are and all.
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Funny how people who would quite rationally agree that they'd rather 10 criminals go free than put 1 innocent man in prison (ie, the whole concept of our criminal justice system and the burden of proof needed to convict someone) then turn around when the category is sexual harassment and take the opposite stance.

From that cached image of her tweet and replies:

Noted Misandrist Emily Lindin

Sorry. If some innocent men's reputations have to take a hit in the process of undoing the patriarchy, that is a price I am absolutely willing to pay.

(gave her an official title, I think she'd like it)
LOL, "the patriarchy". Also love that she's willing "to pay" for a price that will never affect her, as a woman.

OmegaM posted...

https://am21.akamaized.net/lc/cnt/uploads/2017/11/Lindin-tweet.jpg

Well then forgive me if I'm not too receptive to potentially life ruining claims made without evidence.

It would be real funny if she lost her job over this
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streamofthesky posted...

Noted Misandrist Emily Lindin

Sorry. If some innocent men's reputations have to take a hit in the process of undoing the patriarchy, that is a price I am absolutely willing to pay.

I wonder how she'd feel if it was a male family member of hers

OmegaM posted...

but why does simply fitting that profile mean that there's no cause for concern if you get in trouble for something you didn't do?

Simple really it's because she's a racist misandrist who erroneously believes she's morally superior.

Smarkil posted...

It would be real funny if she lost her job over this

That would be delicious irony.

Smarkil posted...

It would be real funny if she lost her job over this

It wont happen. If she said Im conservative itd be a worse career move.
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ImmortalityV posted...

JunkoEnoshima posted...

i think what shes saying is we shouldnt be keeping quiet about this cuz there might be a few bad eggs. it is honestly pretty rare that someone is legitimately falsely accused

This, feminism is the future.
If you are against feminism than you are being evil

feminism is not the future as it does not despite the claims of its supporters promote equality anymore if it ever did.
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Locke90 posted...

feminism is not the future as it does not despite the claims of its supporters promote equality anymore if it ever did.

"it" is too vague and decentralized of a movement to really make concrete claims about that. There certainly are some feminists who are advocating for equality between the sexes, it's just that the ones who get the most attention are the ones who are making the loudest hyperbolic claims and create the most drama and outrage and those tend to be the supremacists. It sucks for the reasonable, well-meaning feminists though because it's really tarnishing the brand for them.

"Here's an unpopular opinion: I'm actually not at all concerned about innocent men losing their jobs over false sexual assault/harassment allegations."

That's very cynical cold, and above all, self centered. People who don't care about others are the worst. If all men were as misogynistic as she is misandristic, the world would be a horrible place.

But it's an interesting unpopular opinion. Let's see what she actually says when simplified:
"I'm not concerned about innocents losing their jobs over false allegations."
That's not an unpopular opinion. That's just failing as a human being.

False allegations actually happen a lot. And there are grey areas too.

I tried changing men to women and false accusations to harassment in her bold claims, to get some perspective, but it quickly turned into something I can't even post...
"Here's an unpopular opinion: I'm actually not at all concerned about innocent women losing their jobs because of sexual assault/harassment."

Her extremely dumb statements reflect bad on all feminists (the good ones battling for equal rights).
In some countries (India comes to mind, muslim countries too) the raped female is considered guilty and the rapist sometimes goes unpunished (since she made him do it.) The proces of getting equal rights and a fair law in countries like that is not helped at all by crazy "opinions" like hers. Men in power might back out of this equal rights idea if they see it can lead to man hating.

Emily Lindin made her Twitter public again (I believe you have to be public to keep your "verified" status); here's her original thread:

https://twitter.com/EmilyLindin/status/933073784822579200

Down a bit, she says, "I am not okay with innocent men being persecuted. But I am rejecting the argument that this risk outweighs the benefits of opening these floodgates." I hope for her sake that that's what she meant to say the first time; that does seem to contradict her opening statement, "I'm actually not at all concerned about innocent men losing their jobs over false sexual assault/harassment allegations" (my emphasis).

JunkoEnoshima posted...

it is honestly pretty rare that someone is legitimately falsely accused

It honestly isn't. While it's rare for it to be busted out as a complete lie, it happens far more than people lead you to believe.

streamofthesky posted...

(gave her an official title, I think she'd like it)
LOL, "the patriarchy". Also love that she's willing "to pay" for a price that will never affect her, as a woman.

The core of modern-day feminism seems to involve getting other people to pay prices. And yes, it's also rather telling that she says "men" rather than "people." Had she said "people" and refrained from referencing the dreaded "patriarchy," her comment may have been less damning.
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Zeus posted...

It honestly isn't. While it's rare for it to be busted out as a complete lie, it happens far more than people lead you to believe.

nobody has lead me to believe anything, i am capable of forming my own views, thanks
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what if the guy lost his job and couldn't feed his WIFE or DAUGHTERS?
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Zeus posted...

It honestly isn't. While it's rare for it to be busted out as a complete lie, it happens far more than people lead you to believe.

How often does it happen? I'm curious to see some real stats on the issue.
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While that's not a good position to take, it's important to recognize that it's in response to the attitude that legitimate sexual assault allegations should be downplayed or ignored because it's more important to avoid false accusations. In far too many cases, that attitude is even taken so far that victims have been prosecuted for making false accusations (typically based on minor inconsistencies in their testimony, since that tends to happen when somebody's interrogated without legal counsel shortly after being traumatized), only to find out a few years later when their attacker is arrested on more concrete charges that the allegations were completely legitimate.

It's important to avoid falsely accusing people of crimes, but that goes both ways: Making a false accusation is also a crime, and alleged victims of sexual assault should be presumed innocent of that crime until proven guilty. That means providing the resources victims need to be able to provide testimony that's usable as evidence, and not placing them immediately into an interrogation situation that's likely to pressure them into slipping up and failing to convict their attacker. Some police departments do this, which is great. Others still have the presumed attitude that any allegations are probably false, which is bad.

Also, a sizable chunk of the "court of public opinion" problem with sexual assault is the prevailing feeling that law enforcement is unlikely to solve the problem (see: Turner, one of the rare cases where a violent sexual offender was actually convicted, but just got a slap on the wrist for being a good boy that made a mistake). That doesn't excuse kangaroo courts, but it does explain them, and citing the kangaroo courts as a reason not to bother fixing the underlying cause of them is completely faulty, backwards logic.
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JunkoEnoshima posted...

i think what shes saying is we shouldnt be keeping quiet about this cuz there might be a few bad eggs. it is honestly pretty rare that someone is legitimately falsely accused

It's really not rare at all.
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JunkoEnoshima posted...

. it is honestly pretty rare that someone is legitimately falsely accused

how could you possibly know that tho? if you dont know if they're telling the truth you can't just assume they are. you can't know if they're lying either, that's not the same as it being true tho.
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EvilMegas posted...

It's really not rare at all.

ssj4supervegeta posted...

how could you possibly know that tho? if you dont know if they're telling the truth you can't just assume they are. you can't know if they're lying either, that's not the same as it being true tho.

It is rare and only about 40% of sexual assaults are reported in any way (and if you wonder how that can be known if the crimes aren't reported, thankfully there are people educated and trained to figure the numbers out)

http://metro.co.uk/2017/09/27/the-myth-that-false-rape-accusations-are-common-is-dangerous-and-damaging-6956067/

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/false-sexual-violence-assault-rape-allegations-truth-rare-international-day-for-the-elimination-of-a8077876.html
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funkyfritter posted...

How often does it happen? I'm curious to see some real stats on the issue.

About as often as false reporting for any other crime like robbery, murder, theft, etc.

Yet victims of those crimes are not scrutinized in anywhere near the same fashion just for reporting

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_accusation_of_rape

Worth noting that some areas count valid accusations without enough evidence to convict to be false accusations even though they are likely to be truthful, just not supported by enough to lead to prison time.

Police officers generally have also received little to no training on how to deal with sexual assault victims. Their personal bias on how they think rape victims should act will influence their willingness to even consider the reports made and follow up on the matter.

Officers that are properly trained will encounter far fewer dismissed cases and report fewer false accusations. Which means many cases that are legitimate are shot down by law enforcement without adequate understanding and training.

It's also worth noting that many people that are dismissed as being false accusers (some even being charged with crimes as a false accuser) are vindicated when their assailant is later charged for similar crimes against other people.
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There's also this one, found with a pretty quick google search (literally the first page, readily available for anyone who's actually looking to learn about the issue and not just hoping that the assumptions they're basing their position on are right)::

https://qz.com/1139699/the-languages-that-take-the-most-and-least-time-to-learn-per-the-us-foreign-service/

(Ignore the URL, it's a weird article that's several articles in one. The first one's the only relevant one)
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adjl posted...

(Ignore the URL, it's a weird article that's several articles in one. The first one's the only relevant one)

I only see an article about the difficulty of languages
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I would rather see 100 guilty people go free, than see one innocent persons life ruined.

MirMiros posted...

I would rather see 100 guilty people go free, than see one innocent persons life ruined.

I actually agree with this.
If this shit were flipped she'd be losing it right now.
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Doctor Foxx posted...

It's also worth noting that many people that are dismissed as being false accusers (some even being charged with crimes as a false accuser) are vindicated when their assailant is later charged for similar crimes against other people.

Just because that person has harassed someone, doesn't mean everybody has been harassed by that person.

analogy: Mike Tyson has punched many people. But I can't make up claims that I was once hit by Tyson, even if he has done so many times to other people.
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Amuseum posted...

analogy: Mike Tyson has punched many people. But I can't make up claims that I was once hit by Tyson, even if he has done so many times to other people.

I hope you can understand why this is a terrible analogy on your own.
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Doctor Foxx posted...

EvilMegas posted...

It's really not rare at all.

ssj4supervegeta posted...

how could you possibly know that tho? if you dont know if they're telling the truth you can't just assume they are. you can't know if they're lying either, that's not the same as it being true tho.

It is rare and only about 40% of sexual assaults are reported in any way (and if you wonder how that can be known if the crimes aren't reported, thankfully there are people educated and trained to figure the numbers out)

http://metro.co.uk/2017/09/27/the-myth-that-false-rape-accusations-are-common-is-dangerous-and-damaging-6956067/

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/false-sexual-violence-assault-rape-allegations-truth-rare-international-day-for-the-elimination-of-a8077876.html

According to a major study by the British Home Office, around 8% of rape allegations are false, which would mean that 92% are real.

That's a hell of a fucking lot of false accusations for something that can completely destroy your life just by an accusation.
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also real in this case is used for both "proven true" and "not proven false" as in people who had proof it happened to them and people who didn't are both in the same category.

the only numbers you could ever verify are the true beyond a reasonable doubt, and proven false. every other accusation is in limbo and can't be proven, it is neither a false accusation nor a legitimate case of assault. to lump them in with proven victims is the problem here that i have. you can't say "it's very rare for women to falsey accuse someone."
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Smarkil posted...

According to a major study by the British Home Office, around 8% of rape allegations are false, which would mean that 92% are real.

That's a hell of a fucking lot of false accusations for something that can completely destroy your life just by an accusation.

Most false accusations don't actually name a person. Like, very rarely is there an identified person. Those few that do name a person very rarely get to the point where even the person named is told they are accused. Very few of those tiny number of the small percentage of falsely accused actually formally name an assailant. Of that also incredibly small number, few will ever see a charge, let alone a court room.

You're looking at percentages of a percent at that point. Read the articles.

Falsely accused is so very rarely ever person A naming person B and having that claim in any way public or official.
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https://www.innocenceproject.org/dna-exonerations-in-the-united-states/
272 of the 351 cases were sex crimes.

Until a lie can't cost a person their livelyhood, their freedom, and their future, I am in the boat that I care a hell of a lot about false accusations.
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slacker03150 posted...

https://www.innocenceproject.org/dna-exonerations-in-the-united-states/
272 of the 351 cases were sex crimes.

Until a lie can't cost a person their livelyhood, their freedom, and their future, I am in the boat that I care a hell of a lot about false accusations.

It's fine to care about them. It is a terrible thing when any innocent person faces imprisonment. To suggest they're common and frequently do harm to people is inaccurate. That mentality is part of what keeps people more hesitant to report real crimes for fear they won't be believed.

DNA is also much more commonly left and collected in sex crimes than many other crimes, meaning DNA will be there to exonerate old cases at a higher percentage for things like sex crimes.
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That's still a lot of fucking cases of innocent people being convicted of sex crimes they didn't commit.
And that's only among convictions, and I'm sure there's many more cases yet to be reversed by the Innocence Project. But it doesn't take a conviction to ruin someone's life, that's the issue we're talking about. "Actual convictions for alleged crimes that were tested by the Innocence Project" is a tiny percentage of allegations of sexual assault. And sexual harassment is easily enough to cost someone his career and is unlikely to leave behind DNA to prove guilt/innocence.

It really feels like this is the cusp of another moral panic.

streamofthesky posted...

That's still a lot of fucking cases of innocent people being convicted of sex crimes they didn't commit.

That's true of practically every single crime out there and a criminal record is going to negatively impact your life no matter the crime involved

You are hundreds if not thousands of times more likely to be a victim of sexual assault than an identified subject of a false sexual assault allegation. I've been told it's paranoid to worry that people may sexually assault you. It would be tinfoil hat level to worry about one day being falsely accused of rape.

You'll notice that people losing their jobs for sexual misconduct allegations all have multiple people coming forward about their ongoing improper conduct. It's not a lone allegation that exists in a vacuum.

people that are sexually assaulted are left dealing with that impact for the rest of their life
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Doctor Foxx posted...

streamofthesky posted...

That's still a lot of fucking cases of innocent people being convicted of sex crimes they didn't commit.

That's true of practically every single crime out there and a criminal record is going to negatively impact your life no matter the crime involved

You are hundreds if not thousands of times more likely to be a victim of sexual assault than an identified subject of a false sexual assault allegation. I've been told it's paranoid to worry that people may sexually assault you. It would be tinfoil hat level to worry about one day being falsely accused of rape.

You'll notice that people losing their jobs for sexual misconduct allegations all have multiple people coming forward about their ongoing improper conduct. It's not a lone allegation that exists in a vacuum.

people that are sexually assaulted are left dealing with that impact for the rest of their life

a friend of my mom's has to live the rest of his life dealing with the impact of being falsely accused and arrested. spent 25 years of his life in prison. finally got proven innocent and was just given a small sum of money that he could maybe live off of for 2 years. (not counting buying a house and car) he was arrested when he was young so guess what doesn't really didn't have a lot of work experience or people wanting to hire him, because despite being proven innocent he still had that stigma surrounding him.

also my father and a friend of mine nearly went to prison over false accusations. so that makes 3 people I personally know that its happened to. might not be the most common thing in the world, but I wouldn't say its rare. the case with my friend it probably never got recorded to get put down in statistics as he never actually got carted off to to the police station.
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mooreandrew58 posted...

a friend of my mom's has to live the rest of his life dealing with the impact of being falsely accused and arrested. spent 25 years of his life in prison. finally got proven innocent and was just given a small sum of money that he could maybe live off of for 2 years. (not counting buying a house and car) he was arrested when he was young so guess what doesn't really didn't have a lot of work experience or people wanting to hire him, because despite being proven innocent he still had that stigma surrounding him.

also my father and a friend of mine nearly went to prison over false accusations. so that makes 3 people I personally know that its happened to. might not be the most common thing in the world, but I wouldn't say its rare. the case with my friend it probably never got recorded to get put down in statistics as he never actually got carted off to to the police station.

if we're doing anecdotes i know a lot more than 3 people who have been raped, many more who have been sexually assaulted, and not one of them has seen their assailant convicted. if they "nearly went to prison" then there is certainly a paper trail and those numbers are part of the stats.

false convictions for any crimes are a real issue and i am not debating against that.
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