Poll of the Day > Woman gets fired from job after pic of her flipping off Trump motorcade...

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https://www.yahoo.com/news/woman-fired-flipping-off-donald-092121275.html

Won't post pic, but it's in the article.

Less scary than being called racist for doing to Obamas motorcade. You know..... just because hes black...
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Regardless of the companys political dealings or the ownership's political affiliations, no business wants to deal with the social media horde on either side of the aisle. Its a colossal headache and bad for business. This might appear as if theyre taking sides, but I think this is just the way things are in the current political and social media climate.
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Shit sucks, but the photo is awesome. I hope she can find employment in the immediate.
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Far-Queue posted...

no business wants to deal with the social media horde on either side of the aisle. Its a colossal headache and bad for business. This might appear as if theyre taking sides, but I think this is just the way things are in the current political and social media climate.

Overall I can agree with this.
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I am surprised she got that close to it without being tackled
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Briskman, a Democrat, said she plans to look for a new job with an advocacy group that she believes in, like Planned Parenthood or PETA.

so, she really is as dumb as she looks
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Ogurisama posted...

I am surprised she got that close to it without being tackled

The President and some other high-ranking officials typically get a police detail to close the road theyre traveling to traffic, but I dont think they can do much for bicycles and pedestrians. Would take considerably more manpower, depending on the area.
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I really wish people wouldn't get butthurt about this kinda stuff, but she also apparently works for a government contractor. So that's a bit of a no-no.
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Although the lady looks to be an idiot - she shouldn't have been fired from her job JUST for that. That's pretty ridiculous of the business and will she sue them? I didn't read the article. lol.
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Not surprising. If you do something that brings your company disrepute, they can and will shitcan you. It's kind of annoying to see that one of her directors got a very different treatment when talking on the other side of the political spectrum, but in terms of what happened to her I don't see anything particularly noteworthy here.

I'll be interested to see if the usual people on this board who usually speak out against right-wingers being fired for politically incorrect comments are as vocal in their defence of Ms. Briskman here.
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darkknight109 posted...

Not surprising. If you do something that brings your company disrepute, they can and will shitcan you. It's kind of annoying to see that one of her directors got a very different treatment when talking on the other side of the political spectrum, but in terms of what happened to her I don't see anything particularly noteworthy here.

I'll be interested to see if the usual people on this board who usually speak out against right-wingers being fired for politically incorrect comments are as vocal in their defence of Ms. Briskman here.

As far as I remember, most of the right leaning guys here have always supported the policy of companies being allowed to fire you for whatever they please barring discrimination

stupid but it's at will employment so know your audience
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Thirty3_1Third posted...

That's pretty ridiculous of the business and will she sue them?

It's at will employment and she wasn't fired for discriminatory reasons, so she wouldn't have a case anyways.
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trump is a d*** head
he'd bomb a city of civilians
and give his supporters cancer with pesticidees and death fog
but flip him off and you lose your job
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GrimCyclone posted...

Less scary than being called racist for doing to Obamas motorcade. You know..... just because hes black...

Fact.

But still, people need to cool it. Theyre too brazen with their hatred now. Freedom on expression doesnt mean freedom from reprisal. Hence, her getting fired.
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OhhhJa posted...

As far as I remember, most of the right leaning guys here have always supported the policy of companies being allowed to fire you for whatever they please barring discrimination

You remember wrong, because I've had this argument with several of the board's conservatives, usually because someone got fired for saying/doing something politically incorrect.
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RCtheWSBC posted...

Shit sucks, but the photo is awesome. I hope she can find employment in the immediate.

She will. Probably will need to move to a less backward state for it, doe.
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darkknight109 posted...

OhhhJa posted...

As far as I remember, most of the right leaning guys here have always supported the policy of companies being allowed to fire you for whatever they please barring discrimination

You remember wrong, because I've had this argument with several of the board's conservatives, usually because someone got fired for saying/doing something politically incorrect.

Politically correct isn't some gold standard as it constantly changes as well but I've seen leftists on this board get mad about people getting fired for doing things similar to the lady in this article so what's your point?

Ogurisama posted...

I am surprised she got that close to it without being tackled

d00d, these Pres. Motorcades pass by TONS of people in the cities even closer than that...

I was at one in Miami for Obama (a bit futher away cause it was on a Highway) and here in NYC for Trump ( I was literally at the curb when the Motorcade passed by and saw him in the Limo).

OhhhJa posted...

Politically correct isn't some gold standard as it constantly changes as well but I've seen leftists on this board get mad about people getting fired for doing things similar to the lady in this article so what's your point?

My point is:

darkknight109 posted...

I'll be interested to see if the usual people on this board who usually speak out against right-wingers being fired for politically incorrect comments are as vocal in their defence of Ms. Briskman here.

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darkknight109 posted...

OhhhJa posted...

Politically correct isn't some gold standard as it constantly changes as well but I've seen leftists on this board get mad about people getting fired for doing things similar to the lady in this article so what's your point?

My point is:

darkknight109 posted...

I'll be interested to see if the usual people on this board who usually speak out against right-wingers being fired for politically incorrect comments are as vocal in their defence of Ms. Briskman here.

So basically your point is... Ha i bet those guys won't show their face here so I can give them a wall of text! But you wouldn't call out those on the left for doing the same if it was the other way around. People who have such partisan hive mind thought bore me

darkknight109 posted...

OhhhJa posted...

Politically correct isn't some gold standard as it constantly changes as well but I've seen leftists on this board get mad about people getting fired for doing things similar to the lady in this article so what's your point?

My point is:

darkknight109 posted...

I'll be interested to see if the usual people on this board who usually speak out against right-wingers being fired for politically incorrect comments are as vocal in their defence of Ms. Briskman here.

If you expect a right winger cuckservative to come in the defense of a woman flipping of Orange Hitler, you gonna wait a loooooooooooong ass time.
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RCtheWSBC posted...

Shit sucks, but the photo is awesome. I hope she can find employment in the immediate.

yeah, maybe she can go work for PETA since thats something she "believes in"
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darkknight109 posted...

OhhhJa posted...

Politically correct isn't some gold standard as it constantly changes as well but I've seen leftists on this board get mad about people getting fired for doing things similar to the lady in this article so what's your point?

My point is:

darkknight109 posted...

I'll be interested to see if the usual people on this board who usually speak out against right-wingers being fired for politically incorrect comments are as vocal in their defence of Ms. Briskman here.

As one of those people, I don't want her to be fired. If she weren't working for a government contractor, I would be vehemently against it. But she did literally flip off her customer which makes it a little less tenable.

That said, I still wish she wouldn't lose her job for it because it's such a dumb thing to lose your job over.
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OhhhJa posted...

But you wouldn't call out those on the left for doing the same if it was the other way around.

The other way around in what way? I'm not sure what you're trying to say here.
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I hadn't expected that she'd get fired over the incident but, if she was making it a major part of her social media, I can understand the move. Pretty much every major company has policies pertaining to social media conduct now.

darkknight109 posted...

Not surprising. If you do something that brings your company disrepute, they can and will shitcan you. It's kind of annoying to see that one of her directors got a very different treatment when talking on the other side of the political spectrum, but in terms of what happened to her I don't see anything particularly noteworthy here.

Her director didn't make national headlines over his alleged conduct.

darkknight109 posted...

I'll be interested to see if the usual people on this board who usually speak out against right-wingers being fired for politically incorrect comments are as vocal in their defence of Ms. Briskman here.

Do any rightwingers complain about it? The closest you get is complaints about third-parties trying to *police* social media by harassing companies into firing employees (which is an objectively awful thing to do), but that's about as apples and oranges as you can get.
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Jen0125 posted...

stupid but it's at will employment so know your audience

This, pretty much. At will means you can get fired over something arbitrary like looking at someone wrong. It's lame, but whatever.

I don't think people should be fired for something like that, but I'm not in a position to change anything lol

Dikitain posted...

Thirty3_1Third posted...

That's pretty ridiculous of the business and will she sue them?

It's at will employment and she wasn't fired for discriminatory reasons, so she wouldn't have a case anyways.

Thats not how at will employment works.

My state is at will, companies also end up paying people to stay home on a near constant basis due to improper terminations.

The only thing at will employment ensures is that the employer can terminate at will and not be blocked legally, it doesnt mean they dont face recourse for a breach of rules

Zeus posted...

Her director didn't make national headlines over his alleged conduct.

So him being a raging asshole while advertising the company he works for is fine if no one sees it?

Zeus posted...

Do any rightwingers complain about it?

Yes.
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OmegaTomHank posted...

Thats not how at will employment works.

yes it is. at will employment means an employer can terminate you for any reason they want without warning and without needing to establish "just cause" as long as it isn't breaking any discrimination laws.
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OmegaTomHank posted...

The only thing at will employment ensures is that the employer can terminate at will and not be blocked legally

Go ahead and explain how this works
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It's getting to the point in this country where you can't say anything but small talk focused exclusively on your work and not any other points of interest you might have as a human being. I don't even agree with flicking off the President or other such inflammatory gestures, but at the same time a world run by the people who do these firings would be so fucking boring and sad and is so much worse than an extended finger at an inopportune time.

OmegaTomHank posted...

My state is at will, companies also end up paying people to stay home on a near constant basis due to improper terminations.

Then your state is not at will.

At will means they can fire you for any reason other then race, gender, sexual orientation, etc. Depending on the circumstances they might need to pay severance pay (usually based on years of service), but they can still get rid of you and there is nothing you can do about it.
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An employee got fired from being unprofessional, rude and giving the company that she works for a bad image? How dare their employer do that!

If you are actually defending her, then stop wondering why you work at some shit fast food job.
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i miss the good old days when people respected the president even if they disagreed polticially
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Philoktetes posted...

i miss the good old days when people respected the president even if they disagreed polticially

Me too. Sadly, Trump is not respectable in the least.
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Dikitain posted...

OmegaTomHank posted...

My state is at will, companies also end up paying people to stay home on a near constant basis due to improper terminations.

Then your state is not at will.

At will means they can fire you for any reason other then race, gender, sexual orientation, etc. Depending on the circumstances they might need to pay severance pay (usually based on years of service), but they can still get rid of you and there is nothing you can do about it.

Good job not knowing the law.

Most Pennsylvania employers think that at-will employment means they can terminate an unsatisfactory employee at any time, for any reason (or no reason at all!).

If only employment relationships were that simple.

While our state presumes all employment at will unless otherwise agreed upon by the business owner and employee, in reality, at-will employment has its caveats and limitations. For example:

It doesnt apply to terminations for illegal reasons such as retaliation.
It doesnt prevent former employees from filing wrongful termination claims.
You cant fire an employee for refusing to engage in an illegal activity, like stealing from customers or cooking the books.

http://www.berksandbeyond.com/2014/05/20/pottstown-employment-agencies-at-will-employment/

Point 1 and 2 are particularly relevant.

Hell, my first job out of high school lost just about every claim they had and had to pay people to sit on their ass at home or offer them their jobs back.

JUst cause essentially makes employers guilty before proven innocent in the advent of a firing.

At will is innocent until proven guilty.

Neither give an employer ther right to fire you because your face looks goofy and they dont like it and thats just the end of it

She's going to find a very nice job very soon.

darkknight109 posted...

Zeus posted...

Her director didn't make national headlines over his alleged conduct.

So him being a raging asshole while advertising the company he works for is fine if no one sees it?

Duh? It's like you learned nothing from Sherry Bobbins.

darkknight109 posted...

Zeus posted...

Do any rightwingers complain about it?

Yes.

Who?

wah_wah_wah posted...

It's getting to the point in this country where you can't say anything but small talk focused exclusively on your work and not any other points of interest you might have as a human being. I don't even agree with flicking off the President or other such inflammatory gestures, but at the same time a world run by the people who do these firings would be so fucking boring and sad and is so much worse than an extended finger at an inopportune time.

None of which is an actual issue. She didn't get fired for flicking off the president, she got fired for making it the centerpiece of her social media in flagrant violation of the papers she signed when she got hired.
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OmegaTomHank posted...

Dikitain posted...

OmegaTomHank posted...

My state is at will, companies also end up paying people to stay home on a near constant basis due to improper terminations.

Then your state is not at will.

At will means they can fire you for any reason other then race, gender, sexual orientation, etc. Depending on the circumstances they might need to pay severance pay (usually based on years of service), but they can still get rid of you and there is nothing you can do about it.

Good job not knowing the law.

Most Pennsylvania employers think that at-will employment means they can terminate an unsatisfactory employee at any time, for any reason (or no reason at all!).

If only employment relationships were that simple.

While our state presumes all employment at will unless otherwise agreed upon by the business owner and employee, in reality, at-will employment has its caveats and limitations. For example:

It doesnt apply to terminations for illegal reasons such as retaliation.
It doesnt prevent former employees from filing wrongful termination claims.
You cant fire an employee for refusing to engage in an illegal activity, like stealing from customers or cooking the books.

http://www.berksandbeyond.com/2014/05/20/pottstown-employment-agencies-at-will-employment/

Point 1 and 2 are particularly relevant.

Hell, my first job out of high school lost just about every claim they had and had to pay people to sit on their ass at home or offer them their jobs back.

So in other words because one state defines it one way (which is the wrong way BTW) and every other at will state defines it differently Pennsylvania is the only state that matters?

Also, she is in Virginia so you point is even more useless.
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darkknight109 posted...

OhhhJa posted...

As far as I remember, most of the right leaning guys here have always supported the policy of companies being allowed to fire you for whatever they please barring discrimination

You remember wrong, because I've had this argument with several of the board's conservatives, usually because someone got fired for saying/doing something politically incorrect.

See: Neo-Nazis getting fired after Charlottesville. "They were just exercising their free speech!"
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