Board 8 > MWC ranks the 50 hardest bosses in Kingdom Hearts Series (spoilers, duh...)

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SSJBKK20Vegito
10/07/17 11:38:01 AM
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So, there are 30 Super Bosses in this series. All 30 are making this list. There is really only 1 I would even debate top 50.

That leaves 20 spots for storyline or normal extra bosses.

A couple things.

1: f*** ROXAS!!!!!!!!
2: f*** RIKU'S FINAL FIVE FIGHT GAUNTLET AT THE END OF DREAM DROP DISTANCE!!!!!

That out of the way...

There won't be any swerve here at the top. The 2 you all think are the top 2 are the top 2... You may guess the order if you'd like, but those 2 are by far the hardest, to the point that while #3 is no doubt hard. It is an absolute cake walk comparatively, and could probably be beaten about 278 times before the top 2 are beaten once....

This is critical (or proud if only that exists). I'm not making fun of you if you play other difficulties. I in fact mostly play proud or standard once I've done everything on critical. Because critical is so hard and such a pain.

Speaking of.... Critical on Kingdom Hearts is so much harder than Monster Hunter, Dark Souls, Bayonetta, or Devil May Cry. Dark Souls especially is overrated for difficulty. Do you understand pattern recognition. Great. You beat Dark souls. DMC on DMD is a different story. Bosses still kill me a lot cause even afrrr you find a rhythm, they still hit fast with many times minimum tells, but (with the exception of the Shadow Cat on 1, since he is harder than most bosses anyway.) I have not died to a standard enemy on DMC for well over 4 years now....

God that is not so in KH. Mobs live to murder you in KH critical. I have literally died at level 99 with a Gold Crown, 9 drive gauges, Winner's Proof, a grand ribbon, 3 ribbons, 4 Full Bloom pluses to Nobodies in the Cavern of Remembrance.

That would be like dying to a Grand Behemoth inside Sin with a max sphere grid and everyone having Celestial Weapons.

The long and short of it being...

This s*** is difficult.

Now, for purpose of my rating, eveything will be allowed bo matter how "cheap" it is with the exception of 2. Simply because other cheap methods you can still have some difficulty, it just might make it tons easier. Those are of course.

Fenrir Negative Combo: I don't judge you if you used it. I really don't. Win how you can, if the game has it in there, exploit it. It's a valid fair strategy. And while it does make it cake, it does still take some execution to pull off both for the setup, as well as not letting someone escape once you have them trapped. But I can't count it for difficulty.

Stand Behind the rock and strike raid Vanitas Lingering Sentiment: Honestly, beating this guy unlocks something far more hellish anyway. I don't know how this happened though. Almost every attack he has he more or less teleports to you. I can't figure out why his AI just stops coming after you to the side and just blindly charges ahead behind that rock.

Everything else is fair game.

Like all of my KH topics. Feel free to ask any series questions at all. And I'll answer. As well as guess the 20 non Super Bosses or the orders or how the top 2 stack up. Etc.
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SSJBKK20Vegito
10/07/17 11:41:29 AM
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Here we go!!!

We have a TON of honorable mentions. ( I won't do them all at once, I'll do them periodically so as not to totally spoil what made it and what didn't)

So, let's get to it.

First of all. One which deserves it's own special write up.

Riku (Destiny Islands)
Tidus, Wakka AND Selphie. (1 on 3).

Stop me if you've heard this one before.

You all big and bad. You took Tidus and Selphie to the wood shed. And while Wakka was a little touch and go, in the end you triumphed over him too.

And now you figure they're after all cake. I'll take em all on.

And while you are trying to deflect Seplhie's jump rope and dodge Tidus's sword. Wakka throws a damn blind side shot at your head knocking you unconscious.

Or you go and fight Riku. You got him beat. You beat him so badly he lands on his back, and you keep peppering him with sword hits... and then Kingdom Hearts introduces you to Revenge Values... get used to em... DEAD! Well. At least that's the most broken thing Riku will have in this game. No worries.... ooh boy.
Tom Bombadil: "you are probably the king of b8 dragonball fans at least!"

Axel 2 (CoM)

No joke. If this guy wasn't just obliterated by ice this would be top 20.... ahead of many Super Bosses. I belive this fight was so SO MUCH HARDER than Marluxia 2 or Larxene 2, again, with the exception of ice spam. He is the single best card breaker in the game. I died so many times when he would break a heal or a killing sleight. Hate him!

Speaking of...

Larxene 2. (CoM)

God I hate this b****. Fast as f***, absolutely destructive, will turn you into electrically charged Swiss cheese. God I love whathibg her die afterward.

Trick Master. (KH). Only even on here cause of the whole probably not having cure yet. Can hit hard. His furniture gimmick SUCKS,
But can also be completely 1,000% shut down.

Iron Imprisoner III (BBS).

This guy is So much harder than IV. Fight me!

You do not have a moment to do moves or lock on to III. IV has the room clearing attack and the vacuum attack both of which give you a chance to live and plan. III spins his ax into you with his tornado over and over and over again.
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Peace___Frog
10/07/17 11:42:14 AM
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Wtf kind of username is that
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SSJBKK20Vegito
10/07/17 11:44:35 AM
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Peace___Frog posted...
Wtf kind of username is that


The most powerful entity in the history of fiction (if they ever... uh, do it..., I hope they do.

Anyway, it's.

Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan/Super Saiyan Blue Kaio Ken times 20 Vegito. That is how it would be said instead of written out.
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SSJBKK20Vegito
10/07/17 11:46:52 AM
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#50 Xaldin!!!

Remember how Axel would be so much higher if not for ice weakness....

I have no idea how high this guy would be without Mickey? Maybe literal third hardest storyline boss in the series.

Holy s*** is this f***er broken.

As a kid there were MULTIPLE times I would get him down to 1 hp with Mickey. And this f***er would kill me before I could hit him with a combo finish. Like holy s***.

He can hit you all the way from across the bridge with six spears befor you have a chance to blink. He traverses 200 feet instantly. While you are attacking him he can instantly without warning (or going over revenge values) bring up his wind shield which hurts you, and then AoE all 6 spears to the side ending you. In addition, his Desperation move goes on forever, is virtually impossible to escape that early in game, and makes it so he can't be hit by anything.

Thank Christ for Mickey. I can't believe this fight exists.
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SSJBKK20Vegito
10/07/17 11:49:04 AM
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#49 Leech Grave. (Days)

Speaking of s*** that should not exist...

Ok. I'm not gonna get to talk about Days much on this. So it needs to be said now...

EVERY
SINGLE
f***ING
BOSS
IN
THIS
GAME
IS
OVERTUNED
ON
DEFENSE
AND/OR
HP!!!!

Know how I said earlier that Super Boss in this game takes like 20 minutes to fight.

It doesn't make them harder. It just makes them go on longer. It's just bad game design.

I remember fighting some heartless by the forest entrance in Twilight town. The guy had like 8 bars of health. A story standard enemy had like a trillion health. I'm just hitting him
Over and over and over again and he won't die, but he really can't do anything to me either.

Not including the super boss.. there is ONE exception to that rule.

LeechGrave still has unreal defenses and health. But he can't also straight up murder your face too. He hits like a truck, and thanks to his tentacle type stuff he can hit you from anywhere at anytime. I've gone from full health to one health in half a second before for a storyline Boss. The fight is too early, and the death he serves up too relentless.

We have not reached an actual fun fight yet.

Let that sink in. In an Action RPG a single phase fight takes 1/3 of an hour of your life to beat...

Why is that? Because no matter what type of equipment or abilities etc you have, you don't damage him for what you should.
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SSJBKK20Vegito
10/07/17 11:50:34 AM
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#48: Terranort (Aqua)

"My name is Master Aqua, now return my friends heart, of pay the price!"

The first of many times Xehanort or some part of him will be appearing.

Now HERE is a fun fight.

The guy is relentless. The guy is very difficult. But this fight is totally fair. If you lose (and you will lose), it's because you screwed up yourself, whether it be missing a dodge, or miss timing a block of his dark shots, or something to that equivalent. You won't lose cause of a cheap gimmick or anything. You'll lose cause you were straight up bested.
It's hard to get tonphase 2, and phase two with the guardian is somehow on another level. I enjoy this battle so much.

This right here. THIS is what a final boss should be. I don't need you to have 73 forms. I don't need you to have a 15 minute cut scene.

I land. You flip and try to choke me. I challenge you and tell you to return what you stole. Let's f***ing fight, both of us really powerful. Let's see who's better.
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SSJBKK20Vegito
10/07/17 11:51:49 AM
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#47.

Data Data Riku. (Avatar, Coded)

Our first Super Boss. And one that most KH fans don't even know exists.

He is fricking IMPOSSIBLE to get to. You need level 100 Avatar to be able too access him. And once you get there, he is utter cake. I really thought of leaning him off the list, I just
Couldn't find anything on the honorable mentions list to put him higher.

Yeah. Did I mention Riku was fricken weird. Easily the easiest Super Boss, quite possibly the easiest Final boss... but oh good god his normal fights hate you and eveything ever involved with you...

He is one of the hardest (normal) fights in the game, but it's Coded, and even with minimum upgraded stats from game end you can beat this guy in seriously about a minute. Your Keyblade just slashes life from him.
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SSJBKK20Vegito
10/07/17 11:54:21 AM
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#46: Armored Ventus Nightmare (Dream Drop DISTANCE)

"This abyss?
Am I in Sora's dream?"

The first boss both from Dream Drop Distance, and also the first ranked in the absurd hell that is Riku's final boss gauntlet from that game.

This is the hardest end to any game I've ever played. Bar none.

There have been harder final levels, there have been much much harder games, there have been harder individual bosses. But nothing like this combined.

This would be like fighting Yunalesca, Seymour Natus, Barthandalus (1) for some absurd reason Omega Weapon as the fourth, and then ending with Material Keeper.... in a normal game. Not post game.

Why is this so hard? A couple reasons really. They are final bosses and they all have really powerful hard to dodge attacks and tricks, but the real reason has to do with DDD itself.

Days everyone had a ton of HP. DDD no one flinches and when you combo their revenge values seem to be RNG. I'll use data Laxaeus as an example. If he is ar 99,999 and I keep hitting him I have an idea when his RV is going to activate. And if I keep hitting him he'll take me to 1 HP. (Speed runners actually know exactly when it will activate, but I'm fine just having a general guess of an idea)

In DDD, (if you can even link them at all ever) they may respond on the third hit of the first chain, or the second hit of the fourth chain... you have no idea. That is especially hard in this gauntlet when they are already powerful as hell and you don't get many chances to attack.

And why did I say if you can chain them in the first place. Cause it's really not easy to cause someone to
Flinch in DDD. You wanna know why so many people think Balloonra is tier 0? (I mean, it's awesome anyway, but even stronger than it would be normally) Because it causes flinch to happen a lot of times, and works on many enemies. We'll talk more about balloon later obviously.

As for this Boss itself. It's harder than the weakest Super Boss. Ventus is so absurdly fast. Thankfully even though he is armor, he doesn't have that much HP. So just go all out at the start and see who is the better fighter.

This is the final fight for the Main Character....

Yes, Riku is so obviously the main character in this game, not Sora. Sora is a plot device. Riku gets all the biggest moments, the final boss chain, ALL of the character progression, and most of the best moves, saves the damsel in distress (Sora) and becomes only the Second Active "living" Master.

This guy is a nuisance, and would probably be ranked about 10 spots higher if I could remotely be objective about him. But because of what he follows, I can't. This fight probably took me 4-5 times. Which seems like a bit low number. But the battle before I would have gotten up and danced and praised if it only took 4-5. And for that Ventus kinda gets punished by association. Sorry dude.
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SSJBKK20Vegito
10/07/17 11:59:02 AM
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# 45: Kurt Ziza

Easily the easiest standard Super Boss in the series.

(Coded was a cell phone game, and therefore cause of its limited gameplay type, I don't really consider them standard)

So, for starters if you summon Tinkerbell at the very start of this battle, you pretty much already won.

If you don't want to for whatever reason, all you have to do is survive during his magic block phase. Which guess what, all he has during that is incredibly telegraphed and easy to dodge physical moves. Break his hands, unlock magic, heal if needed, and unleash storms of thunder on him. Rinse repeat. Done.

I will make special note of one thing.

When he does his spinning air attack, roll directly at him, not away. Dodge roll mechanics are wonky in this game and if you try to dodge him by getting away or going left or right he may still hit you... even if he shouldn't cause of I frames...
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Waluigi1
10/07/17 12:12:30 PM
#11:


Fuck zodiac mirror Aqua.
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SSJBKK20Vegito
10/07/17 12:54:43 PM
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Waluigi1 posted...
Fuck zodiac mirror Aqua.


Yes... that.

Literally a fight where.....

NM. I'll get to it.
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WickIebee
10/07/17 2:21:57 PM
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Oh good, list is back. And you're back to where you were at last time. Maybe one off or something.
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BlackDra90n
10/07/17 2:31:41 PM
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Spellican is the worst boss in DDD imo. Hate that chase sequence.
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SSJBKK20Vegito
10/07/17 3:15:11 PM
#15:


BlackDra90n posted...
Spellican is the worst boss in DDD imo. Hate that chase sequence.


Spellican is horrible for the flow motion. He's not so bad for the fight itself. Just need to be aggressive instead of defensive in the fight.
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SSJBKK20Vegito
10/07/17 4:25:55 PM
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Honorable mention...

Riku I (CoM)

"Namine isn't the only one who is sick of looking at you Sora"!!!!

Ok. If I was actually putting this guy on a ranking, I doubt he makes top 100. So he's not your normal everyday honorable mention where it just means he was this close to the cut off and then missed it.

No. he's an honorable mention cause you fight him 4 times in this game, this is the first and by far the easiest and it still dwarfs anything you could have done yet unless you did Neverland as your first card on part 2.... which you didn't. You used Atlantica or Hundred Acre Wood

And the jump from Ursula and her 3 bars of health no 0 deck to Riku I and his sleights, loaded with 0 deck is mind boggling, There is a very solid chance you haven't died in this game yet. And here comes Riku I to laugh at you and kill you 10 times..
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Waluigi1
10/08/17 12:17:43 PM
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Next plz
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SSJBKK20Vegito
10/08/17 2:46:40 PM
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#44: Buggy Roxas (Re: Coded)

He's a bit harder than data data Riku (but about a trillion times easier to get to at least) as Roxas always has absurd speed, cause this series hates you. He's virtually identical to the final boss, just obviously hits harder, faster, and doesn't give you as many chances to dodge. There really isn't a lot to say here. He's a relatively easy Super Boss, the real challenge was getting to him, so thankfully they didn't fuck you over that hard once you got there. He was CLEARLY designed to be the hardest fight in the game. Unfortunately for them he simply wasn't. There is your little teaser.
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SSJBKK20Vegito
10/08/17 3:29:48 PM
#19:


#43: Anti Black-Coat Nightmare

"Are you what's trapping him in that nightmare?

Cause if you are, I'm what nightmares fear!!!"

Yay. More of Riku's God awful end game sweep...

Music is really cool. The cut scene leading up to it is fucking awesome and IMO when it became clear this was in fact Riku's game. The battle itself can best be described as dodge, atta...... HOLY SHIT, dodge dodge dodge dodge, please god don't let that big Red Cross hit me. DAMN IT! Dead.

His normal attacks aren't the worst in the world. His trap attack is the worst in the world. Because of the way the abilities work in this game, you probably won't have dark dodge. (Keep that in mind...) And if you don't have dark dodge you won't be able to dodge him. And you'll die. Eventually you'll get lucky, you won't die, and you'll think you beat the game because this was Sora's nightmare and holy shit was that hard. Then the game laughs at you and flips you the double bird cause you have no idea what's coming.
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SSJBKK20Vegito
10/08/17 10:25:00 PM
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Bump.
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Waluigi1
10/08/17 11:30:20 PM
#21:


I'm guessing you're writing these up as you go along?
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SSJBKK20Vegito
10/08/17 11:42:17 PM
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Waluigi1 posted...
I'm guessing you're writing these up as you go along?


What do you mean?
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Raka_Putra
10/09/17 2:25:39 AM
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Tag.
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SSJBKK20Vegito
10/09/17 9:32:18 PM
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Raka_Putra posted...
Tag.


Thx
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SSJBKK20Vegito
10/10/17 11:11:14 AM
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Coming
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AquaArcane
10/10/17 11:58:00 AM
#26:


I actually prefer playing Critical mode because it gives you extra abilities from the start, which makes it more fun overall. Getting two shot by regular enemies also means you have to be smart at all times in combat, which fixes the "just press X" complaint that people generally have about the game.
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pjbasis
10/10/17 12:16:04 PM
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SSJBKK20Vegito
10/10/17 12:40:53 PM
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AquaArcane posted...
I actually prefer playing Critical mode because it gives you extra abilities from the start, which makes it more fun overall. Getting two shot by regular enemies also means you have to be smart at all times in combat, which fixes the "just press X" complaint that people generally have about the game.


I know Proud in KH and Re COM doesn't getnyou extra abilities. But yes, Crit on KH 2 gets you extra AP (tons of it actually) and of course BBS gives you more ability slots at start of the game (which is a god send)

Speaking of Re COM. What you just said is of course not true for COM and ESPECIALLY COM Reverse Rebirth, since all you get in your deck are soul eater cards the whole game, (no magic summons or cure) it defines just press x. But it's hard as well
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SSJBKK20Vegito
10/10/17 9:15:16 PM
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#42: Captain Barbosa

"You're a fool Jack Sparrow!"

Oh boy. What can be said about this one?

So many gimmicks in one match.

Alright, so the fight starts with it dark, cause of course it does. And they repeatedly make it dark during the fight. And while that is annoying, let's be real. There are many many many fights in gaming (as well as KH) overall where you have take out a sub boss to be able to damage the main boss at all for a limited amount of time. So that alone is fine. How many of those fights howver also had it so the boss even when he was vulnerable, was also invincible in about 85% of the arena? That is this fight.... Oh, guess what, it's also an escort mission. If Jack dies you lose. So, have to take out his dark pet, then you have to get him in the light, while dodging his gun which will 2 hko you. To get up close and personal Where his sword will 2 hit Ko you, AND if you do hit him and do damage to him, you'll probably knock him back OUT of the light, where he is once again invincible. Of course you aren't. So you chase him to try goad him back into the light, but he dodges out because of course he doesn't want to die. Then he finally goes back in, it goes dark, AND YOU DIE!!!!! I hate this fight. Hate hate hate this fight. There are other hard fights, but a lot (not all) a lot of them are at least sorta fun. There is no fun whatsoever in this fight. You will lose in a myriad of ways over and over again.

And yes, there is a way to cheese him. Though it isn't fun either.

If you don't care about item management at all, you can bring 3 or 4 Elixers. Kill the darkness, get him in a light spot, cast blizzard which freezes him, and then just cast it over and over to lock him perpetually.

This is the hardest storyline fight in Vanilla KH II. And it's before the half way point. Originally if you beat this fight you beat the game. There was nothing (except Xaldin, which you get Mickey for) with in a football field of this fight for difficulty.
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BlackDra90n
10/11/17 10:56:42 AM
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Xigbar was pretty tough too.
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Lich_Sandro
10/11/17 11:21:35 AM
#31:


Huh, I never heard anything about the Barbossa fight being difficult back in the day.

All I remember is XALDIN this and DEMYX that
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AquaArcane
10/11/17 11:52:09 AM
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BlackDra90n posted...
Xigbar was pretty tough too.


Nah, you can brute force him pretty easily with Final Form. On my recent Critical playthrough, I beat the main story before getting to level 49 to get Second Chance, which means I would still get two shot by everything. Roxas was a fucking headache, that took me soooo many tries, but once I finally beat him it was so satisfying. Compared to that, all of the following bosses were cake.
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BlackDra90n
10/11/17 12:04:05 PM
#33:


I don't think I ever fought him with Final Form, but I guess that makes sense.

Still never really considered Barbosa to be that difficult though.
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SSJBKK20Vegito
10/11/17 12:07:34 PM
#34:


BlackDra90n posted...
I don't think I ever fought him with Final Form, but I guess that makes sense.

Still never really considered Barbosa to be that difficult though.


Did you freeze him?

Or play him on crit?

Anyway, I've never fight Xigbar without Final Form (since you just got it and it's uber powerful and fun) and I've never actually died to Xigbar. Ever. Which therefore was a real shock when Braig kicked my ass in BBS a decade ago cause I never even sweated his Nobody for an instant.
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AquaArcane
10/11/17 12:13:22 PM
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I don't find Barbossa difficult either, only took me one try to beat him in my recent Crit run. It's pretty easy to stunlock him.
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SSJBKK20Vegito
10/11/17 12:18:15 PM
#36:


AquaArcane posted...
I don't find Barbossa difficult either, only took me one try to beat him in my recent Crit run. It's pretty easy to stunlock him.


With ice?
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AquaArcane
10/11/17 12:21:41 PM
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Yeah, and/or limits.
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SSJBKK20Vegito
10/11/17 12:23:11 PM
#38:


AquaArcane posted...
Yeah, and/or limits.


I said in my write up you can cheese him with 3 or 4 elixirs. He's not as easy if you don't stun lock him however.
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AquaArcane
10/11/17 12:23:54 PM
#39:


I actually don't remember my fight with him all that much, so I can't completely recall if I really stunlocked him. I know he was easy though. I know I didn't use elixirs either because I never use those on regular story bosses.
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Waluigi1
10/11/17 1:18:11 PM
#40:


I've never played on Critical but I do remember Barbosa being kind of a pain on my last proud run. I think a lot of that fight is up to luck.
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BlackDra90n
10/11/17 5:32:09 PM
#41:


SSJBKK20Vegito posted...
Did you freeze him?

Or play him on crit?


Played it on critical and I don't think I froze him. But like AquaArcane I don't remember too much, wasn't ever really a fight that stood out for me.
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AquaArcane
10/12/17 3:06:55 AM
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Finally got into Re:Chain of Memories. Been playing it tonight and the combat quickly grew on me once I finally understood the workings of it. Just beat Trickmaster, haven't had any trouble with the bosses so far, I've died like twice so far and both because of stupid mistakes that I didn't repeat.

Looking forward to finally seeing this story. I already know it, pretty much, but I've never really watched the cutscenes in this game. At least not all of them.
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BK_Sheikah00
10/12/17 9:17:51 AM
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Barbosa is easy. No need for elixirs.
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SSJBKK20Vegito
10/13/17 1:12:12 AM
#44:


Bump
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Waluigi1
10/13/17 4:06:40 AM
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Instead of bump, post the next one imo
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redrocket_pub
10/13/17 7:46:47 PM
#46:


Waluigi1 posted...
Instead of bump, post the next one imo


This. Also, your other ranking topic purged
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SSJBKK20Vegito
10/13/17 8:57:23 PM
#47:


redrocket_pub posted...
Waluigi1 posted...
Instead of bump, post the next one imo


This. Also, your other ranking topic purged

I know...

It was so sad. It was less than a day... :(

I'll do that one after this one

And more.
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SSJBKK20Vegito
10/13/17 10:52:12 PM
#48:


#41 Final Fabtasy Brigade. (Cloud, Leon [Squall] Yuffie, Tifa, seed #2 Hades Paradox Cup)

This continues the tradition of the Hades Cups of being a murderous second to last boss (Hades and FF Brigade) and an absolutely laughable one. (Rock Titan and Hades).

Look, obviously Hades isn't as easy as Rock Titan was, but still, absolute joke compared to this. And as mueserous as Hades was the first time around, oh good lord he has nothing on this.

Let's get it out of the way right now. Yes in Final Mix you can absolutely go Limit, spam Sonic Blade and trivialize this fight as you kill and heal simultaneously... fine. Fair enough.

We didn't have that in vanilla. In fact, I believe this was the second hardest fight in vanilla. (I'd have to check, I have the list of 50 obviously).

So let's talk Vanilla.

Tifa is fast as hell, relentless and hits like a truck. Cloud will Omni Slash which is really hard to dodge them all, and Squall goes Lionhart pretty much from word go. Now. Cloud and Squall can come at you quick (especially Cloud with Sonic Blade) but they don't do it constantly. Tifa does. You barely get a chance to cast Thunder before Tifa is in top of you. And realistically you have to to do just that, because fighting all 4 of them 1 on 4 in straight melee combat is probably harder than Sephiroth even. They obliterate your health bar. It will take forever, and she only needs to get two combos on you before you heal to kill you.... but once you do clear her out with Thunder this fight becomes easier (not easy mind you, but easier) Find way to keep rolling at Yuffie and keep peppering her with short combos (hope to God you don't have combo pluses on) to get rid of her mage.

Then you just have to go 1 on 2 with the two most famous FF heroes and their ultra iconic weapons and Limit Breaks. If you get between them you are almost assuredly dead. Slide and strike, slide and strike, maybe glide if you have full Final Form, High Jump and double jump are god sends here as while Cloud can hit you high, Squall pretty much can't, (normal situations) so you can leap him and hit him with short air combos coming down. Take out whoever first, (usually Squall) and then it's one on one time. And while they might be god like at a Blade in their games, this is KH, and Sora is just better than them one on one. Just don't get stupid or cocky. Heal if you need, and run away if it comes to that. Once it's down to 1 or 2 left you should honestly melt their HP bar.

Go Crush Hades and congrats, you won the Paradox Hades cup. Probably only Seph remains. Good luck.
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SSJBKK20Vegito
10/13/17 11:37:31 PM
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#40: Chamantis.

"You! You promised we would change the world together. You broke your promise! I took the system to its maximum potential."

He's not kidding either...

God he took the system to its max alright

Yes. I know a lot of people find this fight cake. Well, a lot of people find it hell too. I am in that category and it's my list. Chamantis is
So early in the game man, probably the quarter point, meaning you probably aren't very strong ability wise or anything yet. And he makes you pay for that fact. First things first. This is a melee fight. Again you are early game. Probably won't be rocking awesome abilities yet. There are a couple problems with this being a melee fight.

1: he two hit KOs you.
2: his swipes are long and as I've mentioned before, Riku's dodge sucks for I frames unless you have dark dodge. He reminds me of Kurt Ziza if dodge roll sucked in KH 1

Hark.
A third problem arises. He is the first boss that really hammers your drop gauge faster than normal ( a gimmick that for the life of me I can't figure out how it was greenlit) So unless you have a lot of drop me nots, and have them equipped, (this early you probably don't) you are also on a timer before you auto lose switch to Sora and have to start at the beginning of the fight again next time. Truly maddening.

To Riku's dodge, yes it sucks, but
You still have to use it to have a chance. This fight decided to make the entire outer boundary (and be aware, this is probably the single smallest battle field in any part of the KH series... it's damn tiny) a flow motion rail. That's right, if you dodge, and hit the wall, you will auto flow motion. This accomplishes two things. It wastes time you don't have, and perhaps more importantly this is the first boss that really really punishes you while in Flow Motion.... because of course it is. This fight is hard. Damn hard. It's a joy to finally overcome this shit and win. (Also might as well mention, if you reality shift and fail after you beat him, you would have to do the last phase again....)

This SHOULD have easily been the hardest fight in the first quarter of a game in the series. But fuck DDD, it's not even the hardest fight in its own damn world!!!
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SSJBKK20Vegito
10/14/17 12:28:44 AM
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#39 ElimiFUCKINGnator (The Eliminator, Re:Coded)

"Caution! A powerful enemy is near!"

Yeah, fuck you too game, thanks for the heads up seconds before I died...

Ok. I'm gonna be salty here. I don't think I've ever even used that word non ironically before (or talking about actual food...) but I will here.....

Holy god this was bad design.

Ok, look. You certainly could accidentally go to Land of Departure in BBS and run into MF. Or as has been pointed out, lose track of where the RTC point is in Days and accidentally meet Dust Flier, or end up facing Phantom in KH because Tink asked if you wanted to go to the clock tower... and helol yeah you do, there are prizes everyhour there, or just talk to Sephiroth cause he looks all cool over by that cliff and maybe it will lead to a cool scene... And meet your quick end to a Secret Boss. It happens, whatever, didn't really lose anything out of it, and its easy enough to avoid now. But this.... THIS FUCKING MONSTROSITY OF BAD GAME DESIGN!!!!!! If you face him, and die (and you will die) you have to start all over again. This is a 99 floor dungeon mind you.

Oh, one more thing. I bet you none of you ever accidentally ran into those bosses at LEVEL FUCKING TWENTY SIX!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I honest to God can't fathom the throught process at this. The fight is random. Not like
You need good RNG to win random, but like the literal guy showing up is random.

So yes. There are horror stories of people facing him in like 3 out of 4 rooms on the way up this gauntlet.

You would think the fight would at least be avoidable if he's in the room, since he's a Super Boss that just happens to be a random enemy and no way they would make you fight this thing and waste all this time.. hahahah. Fuck you Squeenix and Disney said. His AI number one program is to chase you down, so it won't be easy to escape. Oh yeah, and he teleports while chasing as well, to make sure you can't escape. CAUSE FUCK YOU THAT'S WHY!!!! He's a reskin of a Defender, so he's friggin huge and can extend his shield to hit you. Oh, and like the normal Defender he shoots fireballs. Unlike the normal defender they go faster than a Super Glide does, track you, have 3 shot at you at a time, more or less instant KO you, and hit you the second your I frames run off on your dodge.

Imagine walking through the Pharos, and Yiazmut randomly appears, but he's also incredibly fast, can hit you from anywhere, track you, teleport in front of you to block your exit to leave.... This guy is Warmech from 1987 in 2008... I don't think Square had done this since Iron Giant in Final Fantasy III in 1990. The last time they did this Nintendo Hard was still a thing.

Legit. No exaggeration. People die to this fight in 3 seconds. People die to this fight before the warning is finished scrolling up on the screen. People die to this fight before they even see the enemy. People die to this fight when he is on the other side of the stage and he insta teleports to you and kills you. People die this fight trying to escape, trying to go head on... doesn't matter. People die to this fight.

When you do finally decide you are strong enough to fight him and you aren't below level 30 and ambush fodder anymore, it's all about kill him quick. He's immune from all damage from the front (he is a Defender after all) but the AoE Thunder charge (or whatever it's call) ability can do him in fast. Like Buggy Roxas and Data Data Riku he can easily be beat in under a minute (in fact this guy can go down in 30'secinds) once you are actually equipped to face him. But even then one wrong move and you are boned.

And with that we cleared out our first game.
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