Board 8 > MWC ranks the 50 hardest bosses in Kingdom Hearts Series (spoilers, duh...)

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#28 Rinzler (Tron repurposed DDD)

"I'll try. Let's go Tron"

The fight at The Grid that makes Commantis (who mind you, I hated like the Black Death) look fun and fair by comparison.

This is Sora's hardest fight in the game (standard) Not the final boss, not a late game fight, not even a midway point. Before you get to the quarter point of the game you meet hell incarnate.

This fight FUCKING HATES YOU!!!

Rinzler is faster than God Damn Xemnas (who can teleport mind you) (this fight fucking hates you)
Rinzler can put you on the ceiling making you upside down (this fight fucking hates you)
When you are upside down your controls are reversed (this fight fucking hates you)
And your camera is fucked up so you can't see him well anymore (this fight fucking hates you)
When he does switch to the ceiling or floor you have a moment of non movement where in he can traverse the entire arena to put pressure on you (this fight fucking hates you)
He hits way to damn hard for this early in the game (this fight fucking hates you)
You probably won't have any ballonras yet (this fight fucking hates you)
And even if you did farm dream eaters to have it, he can just dodge them by going really far away really fast (this fight fucking hates you)
Or just not caring about them period and for some reason even though it seems like 7 hit him only one will do damage (this fight fucking hates you)
His stupid disk is the cheapest shit ever while running around with controls reversed (this fight fucking hates you)
And they are fast enough and minor track so they are annoying even on the ground. (This fight fucking hates you)
You will be low level and limited to no good abilities (this fight fucking hates you)
His AI seems designed to attack you from anywhere on the map anytime you use a potion type move (this fight fucking hates you)
You will drop, making it so you have to start all over again... (this figh.... this GAME fucking hates you)

THIS
FIGHT
FUCKING
HATES
YOU
!!!!!!!

And I hate it. Don't even try and come to me for advice here. Farm ballonra and pray it hits.... don't want to do that, just pray. This battle is sadistic. The guy in charge of the boss battles for The Grid has to be a Sadist. There really is no other possible way to explain how Rinzler and Commantis were before the quarter point of this game while being among the hardest bosses in the series.

SSJBKK20Vegito posted...

If you've never heard l'oscurita dell'ignoto stop looking at this topic and go listen to this absolute masterpiece of a Final Boss song.

Yuss. L'Impeto Oscuro is also super good. Yoko is bae.
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Waluigi1 posted...

SSJBKK20Vegito posted...

If you've never heard l'oscurita dell'ignoto stop looking at this topic and go listen to this absolute masterpiece of a Final Boss song.

Yuss. L'Impeto Oscuro is also super good. Yoko is bae.

I'm gonna talk about that too.

As well as the other Latin titled one at that point of that game (don't want to spoil it, as well as some others. [Disappeared is amazing for instance])

#27 Ansem Seeker of Darkness 2 (Riku's Darkness that manifests as Xehanort's Heartless [DDD]

"Ever the fool boy!
And ever... A PAWN OF THE DARKNESS!!!!"

L'Eminenza Oscura (1 and 2) are also unreal incredible songs, they don't get as much credit as a lot of the other late game boss themes in DDD because they aren't all motifs (sp?) like the rest of them, but it still utilizing Ansem's theme and Dismiss, (minus Terra and Aquas theme of course for obviously reasons) and Destasi.

To start off I know it has nothing to do with the fight, but it confuses like 70% of the fandom...

This is NOT the same Ansem who shows up throughout the game with Young Xehanort. This is in fact Riku's Darkness. And the way he finally truly overcomes it is by using it all, but on his intentions. It's supposed to be a parallel to Terra. Like Riku previously Terra could only access his own Darkness when he let it over run his heart. Riku has now become what Terra would have been had his Master not been insane. And that is why Riku is a Master when Terra didn't achieve it. It's also why at the end of the game it's pointed out that Riku couldn't be used as a pawn for True Org XIII, because he has now unleashed his unfathomable Darkness powers, his heart can't drown in Darkness anymore. (Which I think means he couldn't be turned into a Heartless anymore as well, only logical)

On to the fight. Remember how I said you should have Balloonra in Ansem 1... Ansem 2 is why.

Ballonra is the only way to consistently damage him. Why is that? Cause you are in a hallway. And like every hall way boss ever, that means one of two things. Either you will get knocked/teleported to the other end and have to change at the boss while dodging projectiles, or he will teleport/run away to the other end and you'll have to charge at him while dodging projectiles. This is #1 And you are knocked back by the Guardians darkness.

During the charge he creates 2 huge spheres of darkness which fire light beams at you that take up the entire hallway. For the first half of the fight you can Flow Motion over them. Do that. Get to him and hit him with everything you have. At some point the two spheres will converge, when they do they suck you in. If you are sucked in you either die or have 1 HP left if you have OM/SC.... HEAL!!! Then prepare to do it all over again. He starts with just dark blades when you aren't charging, and as the fight goes on he'll add small dark ball attacks and dark columns. The columns of course track you... yay. As the hall way difficultly increases he'll add human sizes Dark magnetic balls (I can't explain it, if you've fought him you know what it is) and finally the worst... his light beams now start shooting up too... And this is what will cause the majority of your deaths. They impede you from coming at him, are impossibly hard to dodge even in flow motion and will leave you vulnerable to a instant follow up which will spell your death. If you have Ballonra the best advice I can give is anytime you can, if you are right next to him use it. His hit box is weird and all of them will insta explode at once doing about 3/4 of a bar of damage.
A true lifesaver.

This battle isn't fair. But it is fun. And like Ventus Armored Nightmare I can't remeotely be fair about it. Maybe THIS is actually the second hardest story fight in the series. A lot of people think that. But I just can't remotely fairly compare it to the fight afterward. He skews everything.

Speaking of story. We are gonna be doing storyline bosses for a while coming up now. So we are a means away from the next Secret Boss.

#26 Riku Replica II (CoM Reverse Rebirth)

"I'm me he says. Must be nice being real. A fake like me could never get away with saying something like that. That's right. I'm a phony, a fake! The way I look, the way I feel, everything I remember. And even this newfound power.
I thought by finding some new strength I could finally be someone-- someone who is not at all you!
But... nothing changes... I'm still just empty. Everything about me is borrowed.
As long as you're around, I'll never be more than a Shadow!!!"

This is gonna be short and to the point.

Take my review of Riku IV, and get rid of consistent healing abilities. Make your dodge much worse (seriously, Riku's Sommersault flip is friggin stupid) make your attack cards much much worse. Disable all sleights unless you are in Darkmode, and then only have 3, of which only one is any good in this fight. (Break sucks, Aura is impossible because of lack of 9'a) and have a premade deck with 4 0's and 1 9... Yeah. Fuck this shit.

Get to Dark mode as soon as possible and try to duel him. Also, insta when you get to Dark Mode create a few Dark Firaga if you can. Hopefully he won't break them cause they actually do awesome damage. Other than that try to match cards and Duel. Eventually you'll get lucky and win. But man this one was poorly designed. He should have been nerfed from Sora to Riku because Riku is so so so much worse than Sora.

Top 25 BITCHES!!!!!!!!

Are all of the bosses you've mentioned from Re:CoM or GBA, you haven't specofied and I figure they'd be different.
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#25 Ansem 2 (CoM Reverse Rebirth)

"Yeah I know. Or did you forget? I used all the powers you had to give-- and Sora still beat me.
I'm not at all impressed with your powers!"

Here it is. Unquestionably the hardest Final Boss in this series. I have tried to win before, and lost at level 99. Literally max perfect stats, it's impossible for a better Riku to exist. And I lost. HOLY FUCK.

There are two ways to heal this fight. Oogie Boogies regan which only heals 10 ticks (which is about a quarter of a health bar over 20 seconds that's ONE ATTACK. And that can only be used once. And Mickey Cards. I have triple stacked Mickey Cards as a sleight before and waited for him to reload his deck and he STILL 0'd me the instant before Mickey could heal me. So, the same problems as Riku Replica II, except he attacks faster, has his sleights hidden (this fucking SUCKS....it makes it so you have to try to block any of them, which wastes 0 Cards) hits even harder and and has much wider attack range. Also, while you are dodging on the outside perimeter there are random rocks which will stop your roll, and then let him hit you.... great. The only reason this fight is even possible for a normal person is because when he does standard attacks he mostly uses 9, 7, or 0s, and because of that you can have one of those selected, wait for his number to pop and then use the card to initiate a duel, during which time you are invincible. I would actually retconned having 9's always selected. Then
If
He throws a 7 dodge, a 0 break so
You can add 9 to your dark meter (you really wanna go dark, you do so much more damage) or a 9 attack to start the duel.
If you go Dark. Do 2 straight Dark Auras (you can only do 2 the whole match, do them now) and just pray to everything ever he doesn't break them. If you somehow get both of those off it just murders his health bar.
Crazy powerful move. If you have any Dark firagas readily available by all means use that too. Just try to retain Dark and Duel him as much as you can. Eventually you'll win and finally thank god be done with this mediocre game and TERRIBLE BATTLE SYSTEM!!!!

Oh, one more fun thing on this fight. If you break him with a 0, it will make you attack, since he floats, that means you will do a leaping attack.... YOU WILL LITERALLY JUMP DIRECTLY IN TO THE FIRST WAVE OF HIS ATTACK!!!! And that is the better choice between the two....

Waluigi1 posted...

Are all of the bosses you've mentioned from Re:CoM or GBA, you haven't specofied and I figure they'd be different.

Riku II and Riku IV are a combination of the 2. Not that much really changes except 3D and the battle ground is bigger. Marluxia 1, and Ansem 2 are mainly Re CoM. Where they are harder by miles.

In original CoM Marluxia 1 was actually really really easy. (So was Axel 2). Riku IV was easily the hardest fight in that game. Only Marluxia 2 was in that ball park, and only if you couldn't come to terms with the floating Spector gimmick.

In original Reverse Rebirth Hook was the second hardest fight and Riku II was king by a lot. Most of the Disney bosses were harder than Ansem 2.

Here is how different Ansem 2 is between CoM RR and Re CoM RR.

Before I played Days I would have said Ansem 2 was the easiest final fight in the series (and realistically the "final" fight in Days isn't really the final fight.....)

But once you play Re CoM RR Ansem 2 is easily the hardest final boss in the series.

SSJBKK20Vegito posted...

Waluigi1 posted...

Are all of the bosses you've mentioned from Re:CoM or GBA, you haven't specofied and I figure they'd be different.

Riku II and Riku IV are a combination of the 2. Not that much really changes except 3D and the battle ground is bigger. Marluxia 1, and Ansem 2 are mainly Re CoM. Where they are harder by miles.

In original CoM Marluxia 1 was actually really really easy. (So was Axel 2). Riku IV was easily the hardest fight in that game. Only Marluxia 2 was in that ball park, and only if you couldn't come to terms with the floating Spector gimmick.

In original Reverse Rebirth Hook was the second hardest fight and Riku II was king by a lot. Most of the Disney bosses were harder than Ansem 2.

Here is how different Ansem 2 is between CoM RR and Re CoM RR.

Before I played Days I would have said Ansem 2 was the easiest final fight in the series (and realistically the "final" fight in Days isn't really the final fight.....)

But once you play Re CoM RR Ansem 2 is easily the hardest final boss in the series.

Ah ok that explains some things.I never finished Reverse/Rebirth on Re:CoM.
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Bump

If you wanna bump your topic, why not just, you know, post the next boss?
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Hmm, I didn't actually have much trouble with any of Riku's bosses, I actually liked playing as him more than Sora. Since your decks are pre-made, it just means there's a specific way to beat every boss. Unlike Sora, who can build his deck any way he wants, Riku is limited to what he's got, and figuring out the way to use each deck against each enemy was fun.

Some bosses were made easy with sleights, then with others you'd be better off not using sleights at all. Ansem for example, you shouldn't use sleights against his first floating form (with the sythes) but you should definitely use sleights against him the second time.
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Bump for purge. 24 coming up.

Sorry on that one.

#24 Riku II (like you don't know..... Ansem possessing Riku's body and wielding the Keyblade of People's Hearts. [Kingdom Hearts]

"Forget it!
There's no way you're taking KAIRI'S HEART!!!"

I can't do this fight justice. Believe me. I tried. I had this one written a long time ago, and then I scrapped it as I read it through and I was about to post it. So I spent the last 2 days on 6 different drafts of this thing trying to make it perfect... and at the end of the day I just can't. So now I'm just gonna go off the cuff.

I know this post is what a lot of you were waiting for, and I'm sorry if it doesn't live up....

The third hardest storyline battle in the series.
The hardest Riku fight in the series.
The hardest Ansem Seeker of Darkness/Xehanort's Heartless fight in the series.

This battle is featured prominently on TV Tropes under
"That one boss"
"Wake up call boss"
Cutscenes (cause these ones weren't originally stoppable)

The fact that it goes under Wake Up Call Boss while directly following what is universally considered the other hardest standard fight in this game perhaps speaks more to this boss than I could in 20 posts...

So let's go....

In late 2002 I was feeling damn good about myself as a gamer. I had beaten Omega Weapon. Ozma, Nemesis, Culex, Shinryu, Black Omen, Emerald and Ruby Weapon. So clearly Square was beneath me for battles. I had 100%ed CT, OoT, SMW, Yoshi's Island, Paper Mario, SF 64 Gran Turismo 3 a spec, Jak, the Twisted Medal Games, Golden Eye Perfect Dark, all the Sonics and of course once again, all the Square games. And the only genre I had any difficulty in at all (fighting) I was now able to beat on the high difficulties. I was god dude. And of my god ship, I flat ruled over Square, with a fucking iron fist. I had also beaten the 2 magnum opus Disney games, that of course being Aladdin and Lion King. So I was playing this game for cutscenes baby. I had straight torched this little Square-Disney joint venture. Cause of course I did... mother fucker I bear Ozma... Square you have nothing you can do to me.

And this was only furthered by people online and people at school all crying about the Dark Dragon... oh... you mean the Dark Dragon I just turned into paste first time through. Little bitches whatever, guess you just don't have the godly powers over Squaresoft that I do...

Alright. Time to end this game. (Cause this was obviously the final fight, the whole game had built to this enemy which I just killed and my best friend turned enemy Riku. And of course I knew from Beast the princesses were here cause Belle was. So yeah, this is it. Let's beat the hell out of these final fights and call it a day.

Not even any enemies as a lead up. I
Just walk and the cutscenes starts... I guess it makes sense. Malificent is dead. No one to control heartless anymore. It'll save me some time anyway... I guess I don't get Goofy for the final fight, eh he sucks anyway. Donald can at least heal me. There it is. That's Kairi... see I was right. This is the end. Oh. Kairi's heart has been inside me all along, that actually makes a lot of sense. Guess Donald is gone for this fight too... it's fine. I can heal myself. Hey. That was a really cool block he did when Kairi yelled my name. Wish he had done more cool things like that with the blade this game. Oh well, too late now.

I really like this arena the final fight is on. It's pretty much exactly the same size as our island we fought on at the very beginning of the game. I like the parallels.

continued next post.

This music is awesome. Unique, not the same as all the others, definitely a clear sign this is a final battle. (Back to the present real quick... Forze Del Male is indeed FUCKING AMAZING. There is a reason I thought it was the final battle. Cause that is a final battle track. In main game in this series this was the first time I would be blown away by a Yoko track, it would not be the last time even this game. Reminder that Hikari/Simple and Clean was not by her, so even though that was amazing it wasn't her thing)

Dodge.. huh... I died. How did I die? I mean the music was really good, I was probably just paying too much attention to that and didn't keep enough eye on health. You just have to remember you don't have Donald. Besides, that cutscene was pretty cool, but a lot was going on, I'll probably be able to understand more on another view.

I died again. I have to quit looking at that rainbow portal behind us. Besides Clayton and Ursula beat you once. This is a final fight, it's supposed to be harder than everything else.

Ok, so he's really good at blocking just like Cloud was. You need to make sure when you attack he's vulnerable. It's ok. This is only the third loss. Cerberus beat you twice. You got this.

Ok. So when I attack him when he is open he dodges backward and instant counters me. That doesn't seem fair. Just need to dodge more than. Just treat him like a more powerful hook, you'll be fine. It's only 4 times.

HOW DID HE KILL ME WHILE I WAS GLIDING? (5) Calm down. You're letting this fight get in your head. Go outside and practice FTs.

(Did that for around an hour))

Well obviously you weren't gonna win first time back. It'll take a few to get back in rhythm.

(6) (7) (8) (9) (10) (11)

You need to stop counting losses. That is what is screwing you up here.

(Probably 4 more)

Just go to bed. Wake up in the morning before school and you should easily be able to do this

(Wakes up early, loses 3 times)

I don't know why you thought that would work. You are tired, you need to be wide awake to win. And you can't skip the cutscene so it takes a long time every time.

(Goes to school, asks at lunch, no one any help... finishes school SKIPS SOCCER PRACTICE!!!)

(Loses a bunch more)

You need to do something, just go to the field behind the alley and just practice corner kicks and throwing the ball in.

(Does that)

(Loses more)

This is crazy. I'm sure there is something simple I'm missing. I'm going up to Toys R Us to buy the guide. Then we'll be done.

(Does that, looks at guide, finds Riku II and....)

WHAT? IT'S NOT THE FINAL DAMN FIGHT? THERE ARE HARDER FIGHTS AFTER THIS?!!! (There aren't... but how would I know that). This is a kids game, Disney. Who came up with this?

(Loses more, there was no great advice in the guide..)

Goes to bed (day 2)

Wakes up in middle of night, thinks maybe if I take a shower that would help.

(Does that, loses more, it didn't..)

(Goes to school, Goes to practice goes home, loses more and ....)

BREAKS
DUALSHOCK
TWO!!!!!

[I have posted about that on here before, obviously not as in depth as this, but anytime there is ever a topic if you've ever broken a controller I just say either Riku II or Kingdom Hearts, threw it into a wall, I don't think I ever threw a baseball as hard as threw that controller]

(Uses player 2 controller, its generic and sucks, asks Tyler if I can borrow one of his controllers. I can, walk to his house, get new controller)

(Dies more)

Next post.
The conclusion and light at the end of a very hell like tunnel.

(Dies more)

(God finally takes pity on me and I win)

Wow, this is an awesome cutscene.

Did I just die?

That's amazing music (and it is, Emily is going to walk down the aisle too it)

Why am I a shadow? WHY AM I CONTROLLING A SHADOW? Why isn't there a save point. I swear to god if I die before I can save....

Ok. I'm me again. That was cool how Kairi saved me. Now let me save.

SHUT UP YOU GUYS, LET ME SAVE!!! If there is a power outage or something now I don't even know what I'll do.

Let me save. Oh thank god. I have control again. Save save save....

ITS SAVED. I never have to do that fight ever ever ever again.

In the insane stream of deaths over 3 days I would.

1 Learn the entire cutscene by heart, still know it.
2 Come to dispise Dark Aura (disnt have a name back then) more than anything else I'd ever dealt with in that point in gaming.
3 Learn that even if you dodge through his pillars of lighting, he'll probably still hit you somehow.
4 Learn to love Donald's badly AId heals. He may suck, but his occasional bursts of genius would have been a god send this fight.
5 don't even try magic...
6 Ars Arcanum rips him apart, but when he goes invincible and does the attack that kills you you need to heal, and then you won't have MP for it.
7 he can block you seemingly at random and counter on you anytime.
8 just dodging and looking for opportunities doesn't work cause he can kill your HP bar so fast.
9: by the same token pure aggression is pure suicide.
10: your slow start up on your attacks dear god sucks, he dodges out and hits you constantly.
And of course something I would find out then but only really Learn later.
11: The better the music in KH battles, the more likely you are to get reamed. Forze Del Male was amazing, and Riku made you pay for your enjoyment.

To wrap up. At the end of this battle I felt not only was this the hardest thing I ever accomplished in gaming in my life at the time, burn in fact in life overall. The next 3 months MgS2, DMC, and Metroid Prime would come out. And Dante Must Die would happily show me Difficulty.

One other thing. The difference between #25 and #24 is a chasm. Like the difference between Xaldin and Seph KH II (which I think is like 13 spots). So this was the jumping on spot for difficulty. The Wake Up Call boss if you will.

Which is appropriate. Cause never had there been one more than Riku II

#23: Roxas (KH II Final Mix)

"Huh, a Keyblade?"

Oh god, he we go.

The second hardest storyline battle. The hardest (non Super Boss) organization (original) battle in the series.

Ok. I knew this was coming when I fought him first time, all the secrets of FM were known long before it got to America. I knew
It was hard. I didn't know how hard. Couldn't remotely think he was harder than the Super Boss from Vanilla KH II... he was...

This guy is god damn death incarnate, I can't remotely believe this fight exists. Who came up with this on FM?

There are people who beat this game (Seph too) on Proud in Vanilla.... THAT COULDN'T BEAT THIS GAME ON STANDARD IN FM....

That's how much of a choke point this fight is. Holy shit dude.

First time I fought him he killed me 3 seconds in. So next time I dodge rollled, and he still killed me 3 seconds in cause the attack is so fast and wide. That's when I knew I was in for it. Then I had a new plan. I would dodge to the side in a circle forever till he was vulnerable. That never happened. But he did charge me which gave me a reaction command (which I died a lot too) and if you timed that right. You took his Keyblades. Great. Eat 3 of them jackass. And I pummeled him. And then a reaction command appeared, when he takes them back.... and I died over and over and over again to this. Both succeeding and failing this Reaction Command I died everytime. And it's a reaction command. So you can't dodge. Somehow one time randomly that attack didn't kill me, and that's when he got serious. His second half and his desperation move is litweally Super Boss level. Light pillars everywhere, he flings more light at you, he shoots you, he charges you even while dodging with both blades, he just annihilates you. Eventually you'll get enough muscle memory and win. Congrats. KHIIFM is now your bitch. The rest of the World that never was will fall quickly to you. Only Super Bosses hold any difficultly left for you.

If he had more heatlh or defense he would be #1 for storyline battles. But he has awful defense and when you do hit him (which isn't exactly easy...) it just incinerates him quickly. Because of that usuaally if you survive 1 maybe 2 rounds of his part 2 you'll win.

As an aside. I knew he'd be hard because the Other Promise is amazing. It's in the running for best song in the series. Let that sink in. Finally, he is frighteningly fast. Mind boggling fast. Riku II looks like a snail fast.

FUCK
ROXAS!!!!!!

And with that, 1 storyline battle. (Take a guess) and the 21 hardest Super Bosses remain.

Bump

The problem is vanilla KH2 barely teaches you to go beyond the X button. Just the occasional triangle. And why learn when you can beat the entire game and even Sephiroth just with that? Xaldin was the closest fight to demand more from the player, but they put Mickey in there, so people can still brute force it.

Final mix bosses are a completely different story.
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BK_Sheikah00 posted...

The problem is vanilla KH2 barely teaches you to go beyond the X button. Just the occasional triangle. And why learn when you can beat the entire game and even Sephiroth just with that? Xaldin was the closest fight to demand more from the player, but they put Mickey in there, so people can still brute force it.

Final mix bosses are a completely different story.

This is really on point.

Dude whaaa? Like, Riku II is definitely not an easy boss but, that post seems a taaaaaaad bit exaggerated... Have you fought him lately after all the shit they've thrown at us since then? I'm just confused because I've actually fought him on critical/proud and he's not really that hard IMO...
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God damn I love that Roxas fight. It fucking sucks until you get that one match where you're so on point and you demolish him. Then the next time you play through the game it takes you 20 tries again.
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Waluigi1 posted...

Dude whaaa? Like, Riku II is definitely not an easy boss but, that post seems a taaaaaaad bit exaggerated... Have you fought him lately after all the shit they've thrown at us since then? I'm just confused because I've actually fought him on critical/proud and he's not really that hard IMO...

As should be clear, that entire post was written from 15 years ago.

I can beat him without taking damage now. (Or close to it)
I'm much better at the game, as are all of us, I'm not gonna punish one of the hardest mandatory fights in gaming history (this millennia at least) because I've gotten much better.

AquaArcane posted...

God damn I love that Roxas fight. It fucking sucks until you get that one match where you're so on point and you demolish him. Then the next time you play through the game it takes you 20 tries again.

Yes. This

I know it's a personal list, but it kinda kills some of your credibility whem you're so biased about something from 15 years ago <_<
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The Riku fight seems like the sort of thing that only works because kid you didn't realize that block and glide were really overpowered and only mashed X and your Cure shortcut. That's how I felt about it on replay.
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Waluigi1 posted...

I know it's a personal list, but it kinda kills some if your credibility you're so biased about something from 15 years ago <_<

I'm not biased against it.

All the storyline except 2 are ranked by first time I played it on highest difficulty.

From a difficultly stand point first time through I view it third hardest storyline, and pretty equal to Roxas

Sceptilesolar posted...

The Riku fight seems like the sort of thing that only works because kid you didn't realize that block and glide were really overpowered and only mashed X and your Cure shortcut. That's how I felt about it on replay.

I did glide...

I did not block or Aero.

It's almost impossible for Dark Aura to actually hit while gliding, except for the very last part. I don't think that's changed even through the remakes.
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And Strike Raid (most Limits actually) can destroy the Riku fight.
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Sceptilesolar posted...

It's almost impossible for Dark Aura to actually hit while gliding, except for the very last part. I don't think that's changed even through the remakes.

Typically if died during a glide it was during the enemy lightning portion

SSJBKK20Vegito posted...

Waluigi1 posted...

I know it's a personal list, but it kinda kills some if your credibility you're so biased about something from 15 years ago <_<

I'm not biased against it.

All the storyline except 2 are ranked by first time I played it on highest difficulty.

From a difficultly stand point first time through I view it third hardest storyline, and pretty equal to Roxas

Ah ok, well carry on then.
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My KH2: Final Mix top 5 hardest bosses

Roxas
Demyx

No specific order
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AquaArcane posted...

My KH2: Final Mix top 5 hardest bosses

Roxas
Demyx

No specific order

I assume this is just standard?

Yeah, well I was just fighting Demyx last night and it took me quite a few tries. Except after I posted that, I beat him in the last way I ever would have expected. Turns out anti-form can stun lock him. And here I thought that form was completely useless.

Now it's just mostly useless.
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#22: Julius (Dream Drop Distance)

"What?" (Riku fight.)
"Who are you?" (Sora fight)

Hardest Disney fight in the series (ok, TECHNICALLY every boss except Yuffie, Leon, Tifa, Cloud, Seph, Setzer, Vivi, and Seifer are Disney bosses cause Disney owns everything in this series, but you know what I mean...)
Hardest fight that earns you Ultima Weapon.
Second hardest Dream Drop Distance fight... yes.

Julius had a couple interesting things here.

First off I think with few very obvious exceptions he is the most aggressive fight in the series, and I feel he probably has the longest attack range in the series, as you fight him in a huge arena, and he can pounce on you the entire way away from a roof....

Because of that he is also probably the dumbest fighter in the series. I think his AI is just set on constant slaughter. You can double stack balloon (not Balloonra, not balloonga, just balloon is enough) around you and he will elbow drop into them from
Howver far away causing himself massive massive damage. Repeat for 4 months minutes. Win.

I think he has the most HP in the series, as the way health bars work he should be right around 2,600 hp If I wrong on that feel free to correct me.

Finally, he's pretty much just physical. He punches you and elbow drops you, and pics up and squeezes you. That's mostly it. He only has 2 special moves, the aforementioned grab where he causes poison (not a huge deal) and confusion.... (that one sucks) and his only dangerous move. His lightning storm. A pure magic attack, that afterward coats his physical attacks in Thunder, powering them up to crazy extents. Feel free to just dodge during that if you want, it isn't permanent.

He hits hard, he hits fast, he hits from everywhere. So dodge like there is no tomorrow. This is a secret boss, you should certainly have Riku's Dark Dodge by now (if you don't, what are you even doing in post game?) and with Sora your normal dodge is plenty. When he hits you cure. You can bring a Drop-Me-Not if you feel like being safe.

As for how you damage him, I mean, balloon family just shatters him to pieces. If you don't want to use those, attacks and counters might be your best bet, (he hits you constantly so you can always counter). You can be special if you want and bring things like Meteor etc, but it honestly makes no sense. If you are gonna attack him with magic just bring balloon. So either man up to him straight up physical for physical, or make him taste water balloon after water balloon of death.

And to the obvious question that arose when you saw this was a Super Boss instead of the final storyline. I completely stand by this. Julius I'm sure is harder on level one crit (but honestly, maybe not, level don't determine your abilities this game, and once more, leaf bracer second chance cura, and a bunch of balloons you can still have at level one) but for when they are designed to be fought, the standard boss is harder. And there is no cheap way to beat him like balloon sadly. Though I wish there was...

AquaArcane posted...

Yeah, well I was just fighting Demyx last night and it took me quite a few tries. Except after I posted that, I beat him in the last way I ever would have expected. Turns out anti-form can stun lock him. And here I thought that form was completely useless.

Now it's just mostly useless.

You know in the PS3 and PS4 versions they gave Anti a finisher? So now he can beat bosses. Some guy beat every boss in the game that Anti is available for, including Super bosses.

I wasn't sure if anti-form had a finisher or not, it ran out before I got the chance to try it out. I also just about died in that moment (like my previous fight with him, which he only had 1hp left and he killed me grr), but as I was knocked high into the air I threw out a lightning to end him.

Do you have a link to that guy beating every boss with anti-form?
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AquaArcane posted...

I wasn't sure if anti-form had a finisher or not, it ran out before I got the chance to try it out. I also just about died in that moment (like my previous fight with him, which he only had 1hp left and he killed me grr), but as I was knocked high into the air I threw out a lightning to end him.

Do you have a link to that guy beating every boss with anti-form?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYd8E6Y40iQ

That's the big one of course.

If it's the same guy he has the others on his page. If it's a different guy, then try to look up Anti form only and see if that has the rest.

Cool thx

Doesn't seem like he's on critical (I could be wrong) since I imagine that would be next to impossible.
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AquaArcane posted...

Cool thx

Doesn't seem like he's on critical (I could be wrong) since I imagine that would be next to impossible.

I looked up a few of them.

Gamzee Makara certainly is because he has 213 AP, and the only way to have that is to be on crit.

He died and the won.
He says he died 4 times off screen as well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5Fg4N68FoY

Yeah he's definitely on critical. I knew there'd be someone who could defy the (next to) impossible.
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AquaArcane posted...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5Fg4N68FoY

Yeah he's definitely on critical. I knew there'd be someone who could defy the (next to) impossible.

It's really impressive to watch.

#21: Vanitas Remnant (Birth By Sleep Vanitas's Lingering Spirit)

The Crest pulses with a dark power
"That's a danger I'm willing to face"

3rd hardest Birth by Sleep boss.

One of the last fights on this list that has an "easy mode" again, not counting Fenrir negative combo, or ironically.... strike raid lock

If you just want to beat him and don't really give a fuck how... at the start, find the huge rock in the south, get to the back of it, lock on, and just use strike raid over and over and over again. You may get unlucky and he'll escape the lock and kill you, but it won't take many battles and you'll win. And you can do it with all 3 characters. So if you are just having the hardest time ever beating him as Terra... hey, no one is gonna judge you, it unlocks something about 3 trillion times harder that you can't cheese anyway... so go nuts.

Now, assuming you didn't go ultra cheap, you can still go pretty cheap on him, and that is why he just barely misses the top 20.

This boss has a very much agreed upon hierarchy for difficulty.

Aqua easiest
Ventus easy
Terra hard.

Why is Aqua easier than Ven? Cause Seeker Mines... both have invincible dodge rolls, but Aqua has a much better mine attack. Since they slowly track at Vanitas Remnant more will typically hit and then do more damage. Still, mine shield and mine square are enough, just takes a bit longer. So Ventus is golden too.

Enter the Void is a great song, hence the battle is hard.

He has no health at all (just one bar) but he has crazy defense (thinks Shuckle) so even Terra with Chaos Ripper won't do much too him. His other gimmick is far more known. You CAN'T HEAL WITH CURE THIS BATTLE... ok. That's not totally true. I mean, you can. But so will he. If you heal he casts what I'm assuming is Renew on himself since he instantly heals all health. So bring Mega Potions. You aren't invincible like cure however. So you need to make sure the potion hits you before he does.

His attacks are normal Keyblade hits, the freeze and plummet attacks that normal Vanitas has we all hate so much. An X Swipe on the ground that has quite a sweep, and an x blast in the air that sucks in this battle but will make you thank god when you see it another battle that is either 19 or 20 spots from now..... some advice for both that battle and this one. DODGE TOWARD IT!!! If you try to run away it tracks you and becomes much harder to dodge. He also has a shot lock, its identical to Vanitas shotlock he uses to mirror Ven in their mini game like final battle. A lot of people say to use your shot lock then... i disagree. For one it doesn't last long, for two, it's much more prudent to save it for His Desperation Move. He goes into a dark sphere in the middle of the field and unleashes tons of dark clones which come charging at you. This move is a killer. When he goes to the dark sphere, start your shot lock, make sure you get all locks, and then let it go. You'll shot lock him during his entire attack. It's awesome. (Don't mess up timing) Final thing to worry about, he causes confusion and blind. I would encourage you to just dodge on both.

Lay mines around you, dodge him, have him hit the mines, rinse repeat. So on and so forth.

They kinda gave you a break cause of the impossible hell that follows this.

Speaking of following this.

The top 20

Breakdown time.

Kingdom Hearts: 2
KH II: 14
BBS: 2
DDD: 1
0.2: 1

Chain of Memories, Days, Coded: 0

Can't you use Tornado against him with Ventus to destroy him? I remember doing that back on the PSP, all those years ago.
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AquaArcane posted...

Can't you use Tornado against him with Ventus to destroy him? I remember doing that back on the PSP, all those years ago.

Yes. Tornado does decent damage. (It's like the only attack that does, maybe Time Splicer and Meteor. Quake and stuff do, but those would seem to be suicidal) I kinda wonder about Rhythm Mixer. It's pretty powerful after all.

SSJBGenkiDama posted...

Days: 0

Seeing this reminded me I missed Dustflier's thing.

SSJBKK20Vegito posted...

He only uses 2 attacks, both insanely telegraphed. Anytime he flies when he lands he'll do the energy quake, just jump and glide and make sure you stay airborne the entire time the floor is white. And puts his head up to sky and shoots moderate speed tracking fireballs at you. Glide to left or right, or dodge on ground with timing. That's the entire fight.

Yup, I do remember eventually beating him now. Once his attack patterns were understood I eventually got through it. Slowly... but eventually.
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