Poll of the Day > If we are judging historical figures by 2017 standards, Trump is....

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One of the least bigoted President's ever. Like top 5 by far. Anyone before Carter is disqualified just from being from that era, and Trump is the first President to ever be open to gay marriage rights upon election (Obama was not, changed his mind mid term).

Obama would probably be judged as less bigoted, same with dubya in the overall scheme, but before that? Every President had their prejudices and they expresses them very freely.

So if you want to say Jefferson or Washington were horrible people for owning slaves, I hope would firmly stand by Trump as being one of the least bigoted Presidents ever, certainly top 1 or 2 Republican Presidents.
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Liar

Trump is a bigoted KKK White Supremacist!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_K1-nzxzzug

The message boards and the internet in general suggests more than 2/3 of the US's population are bigots. At least Trump perfectly reflects a good chunk of the country's people.
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spooky96 posted...

The message boards and the internet in general suggests more than 2/3 of the US's population are bigots. At least Trump perfectly reflects a good chunk of the country's people.

The young social internet suggests even more than tha are bigots. Basically anyone who is 1) Young and not hyper-progressive or 2) Anyone who is old and takes more than 1 minute to fully accept and embrace the newest progressive trend.

Y'all are bound to be dissapointed if you expect society to change as fast as you are demanding.
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Y'all are bound to be dissapointed if you expect society to change as fast as you are demanding.

How funny, this is the exact same thing I told my brother when we were having an argument yesterday night.
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"History is offensive and should be banned now."
-Fucking dumbasses
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Wait, are you Breasticle's alt?

I remember him

TheCyborgNinja posted...

"History is offensive and should be banned now."
-Fucking dumbasses

No one has suggested banning history.

Lots of people have suggested to stop glorifying the darker parts of it, but that's not the same thing. I'm pretty sure we're not teaching our kids history by having them stare at statues all day.
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darkknight109 posted...

TheCyborgNinja posted...

"History is offensive and should be banned now."
-Fucking dumbasses

No one has suggested banning history.

Lots of people have suggested to stop glorifying the darker parts of it, but that's not the same thing. I'm pretty sure we're not teaching our kids history by having them stare at statues all day.

The problem is that the rational people are being washed away by the morons that can't tell the difference between "glorifying darker parts of history" and "I don't like this, and don't want to see it." Do CSA statues need to remain standing? Not necessarily (though I don't mind), but at the very least they should be presented in a museum for the purposes of education. Put a little biography up detailing the good and the bad. Done. That's simply not enough for those fringe "triggered crybabies" though.

To ignore the fact that ignoramuses like Antifa wouldn't approve of a book burning is simply foolish. They represent part of the left, not all of it, but that's who is controlling the narrative now. Anybody peaceful just blends into the crowd while the terrorists create chaos. The leftists should be standing up to Antifa for appropriating and destroying their reasonable arguments and replacing them with fascist ones.
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TheCyborgNinja posted...

"History is offensive and should be banned now."
-Fucking dumbasses

Confederate statues were put up overwhelmingly during two time periods, the civil rights movement and during jim crow laws with the sole intent of intimidating black people and letting them know who was in charge. For all intents and purposes, they are literally still on display proudly with the sole intent to intimidate black people and let them know who is in charge.

You can tell because the governer dared try and take one down and racists popped out of the walls.

And if you really want to know how I feel, statues are one of the least important things to worry about right now. I'm sorry, most. Wait, we're not still at war, were we?

I'm sorry history is "offensive". Seriously though you're wrong as a sore thumb and you just keep hammering it.

Yellow posted...

TheCyborgNinja posted...

"History is offensive and should be banned now."
-Fucking dumbasses

Confederate statues were put up overwhelmingly during two time periods, the civil rights movement and during jim crow laws with the sole intent of intimidating black people and letting them know who was in charge. For all intents and purposes, they are literally still on display proudly with the sole intent to intimidate black people and let them know who is in charge.

You can tell because the governer dared try and take one down and racists popped out of the walls.

And if you really want to know how I feel, statues are one of the least important things to worry about right now. I'm sorry, most. Wait, we're not still at war, were we?

I'm sorry history is "offensive". Seriously though you're wrong as a sore thumb and you just keep hammering it.

Cry me a river... I hate it when people put words in my mouth... I was making the point that SJWs basically think everything is offensive, history (see: the whole thing) included. I wasn't talking about the CSA statues specifically, nor do I care if they are removed (as long as they aren't destroyed). It's the route we're going down. As each "moral victory" occurs, the line moves further along. Now we've hit the point where the reasonable causes have mostly been accomplished, and now feelings and opinions are being policed because there's simply less to complain about.

Problems are relative. Most of the crazies are just miserable that their lives suck and need to blame others. Some of them are poor and blame minorities for their lack of wealth. Some are directionless due to an easy life and take up radical causes in search of meaning. Either way, they're doing it wrong and it is becoming toxic for society and needs to be stopped.
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spooky96 posted...

The message boards and the internet in general suggests more than 2/3 of the US's population are bigots. At least Trump perfectly reflects a good chunk of the country's people.

Well as long as we're using horribly biased samples to pull numbers out of our asses, European football stadiums suggest 99.9% of Europeans are bigots. They need to stop throwing bananas at black players.

Yeah, GameFAQs definitely doesn't have the best of users

But its true, at least when you're comparing to just about any country. The thing is any american I've ever met who was below like 25 years old definitely seemed like one, but the one's who were older 35+ definitely seemed wiser and actually interesting people to talk to.

Why're you getting so pissed, you gotta understand that the masses will usually be stupid
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZuktUfF0nE

I'm sure you're feeling real good posting that.
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TheCyborgNinja posted...

but at the very least they should be presented in a museum for the purposes of education. Put a little biography up detailing the good and the bad. Done. That's simply not enough for those fringe "triggered crybabies" though.

You are vastly underestimating the number of confederate monuments compared to museums, as well as overstating their historical significance. As an example, 35 confederate monuments have been installed in North Carolina alone since the year 2000. That is within the living memory of most people on this site.

Most of the confederate monuments were not installed as historical pieces in the immediate aftermath of the conflict; they were installed during periods of heightened racial tension as a not so subtle message to blacks that whites were still running the show and they should tow the line or get out. If there's a notable artistic or historical reason why a given particular statue should be saved, fine, make that argument. But giving them a blanket pass "because history" is ridiculous, especially considering a lot of them were mass-manufactured.
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People today would be outraged at 2000's Dubya, and rightfully so.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHor4o5w2IM

so is it your gimmick that you just make awful topics? or
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Yellow posted...

TheCyborgNinja posted...

"History is offensive and should be banned now."
-Fucking dumbasses

Confederate statues were put up overwhelmingly during two time periods, the civil rights movement and during jim crow laws with the sole intent of intimidating black people and letting them know who was in charge. For all intents and purposes, they are literally still on display proudly with the sole intent to intimidate black people and let them know who is in charge.

You can tell because the governer dared try and take one down and racists popped out of the walls.

And if you really want to know how I feel, statues are one of the least important things to worry about right now. I'm sorry, most. Wait, we're not still at war, were we?

I'm sorry history is "offensive". Seriously though you're wrong as a sore thumb and you just keep hammering it.

Which is a facetious, moronic argument which overlooks that at the SAME time that confederate statues were going up, the Lincoln memorial was going up. More importantly, Jim Crow accounts for a *large* period of time, going basically from the reconstruction until the 1960s.
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If Trump were president two hundred years ago he would have been burned at the stake for having orange skin

darkknight109 posted...

Most of the confederate monuments were not installed as historical pieces in the immediate aftermath of the conflict; they were installed during periods of heightened racial tension as a not so subtle message to blacks that whites were still running the show and they should tow the line or get out. If there's a notable artistic or historical reason why a given particular statue should be saved, fine, make that argument. But giving them a blanket pass "because history" is ridiculous, especially considering a lot of them were mass-manufactured.

Again, this post demonstrates the sheer ignorance of the anti-confederate statue argument. Very rarely do statues and memorials go up immediately following an event -- and, considering that the South was devastated by the Civil War, it would have been hard to do so -- which is literally seen by the fact that many confederate statues are older than the Lincoln Memorial. Does that mean that the Lincoln Memorial only went up as a final "Fuck you" to the South?

Likewise, many statues, etc, of other historical figures from the 1800s have gone up since the year 2000. Does that mean that all of them are somehow illegitimate?
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