Poll of the Day > It's OFFICIAL!!. 15,000 Transgender Soldiers will be KICKED OUT in SIX MONTHS!!!

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It's Official, a month after Trump announced the ban on transgender people serving in the military, he has now given a memo to Jim Mattis 6 MONTHS to BOOT 15,000 service members out!!

The 2 and a half page says he must consider a service members "deployability" when deciding whether to eject them from the military.

That means if they are unable to serve in a war zone or take part in a training or serve on a ship for months, then they must go.

It doesn't spell out exactly how the criteria is assessed but it seems likely that the implication in the memo that transgender people are non-deployable and deemed cut from the military.

This ban has been met by resistance from transgender representatives as Sue Fulton, president of Sparta said "Transgender people are just as deployable as other servie members. Other service members may undergo procedures when they are at home base, just as other service members shoulder surgery or gall bladder surgery"

A study shows there are between 1300-600 trans soldiers openly serving ith another 7000 on active duty and 11,000 across all areas of military.

Not all of them seek treatment but those that have had treatment would render them non-deployable.

This new memo is the first attempt by the government to provide guidance on how to handle current transgender soldiers as Trump said their military should focus on decisive and overwhelming victory and can't be burdended by transgender people with their "tremendous" medical costs and disruption.

The cost of treatment for them would be 2.4-8.4 mmillion, or 0.04-0.13% of the total military budget

The ban has been met with overwhelming opposition as 58% of the american public oppose this and a slap in the face to the LGBTQ who said Trump would be on their side on this issue.

This also proves that one transgender soldier was told to CHANGE BACK to their born gender if they want to keep their job as well..

Do you think kicking out these 15,000 people will be good for the US military?.

Trump - Anti-Gay

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/08/24/03/43819FAE00000578-0-image-a-75_1503542565309.jpg

Mattis - Anti-Gay

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/08/24/03/4381E69700000578-0-image-a-56_1503542219589.jpg

Transgender Activists -

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/08/24/03/4381E6A400000578-0-image-a-65_1503542320608.jpg

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/08/24/03/4381E69C00000578-0-image-m-66_1503542386851.jpg

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/08/24/03/4381E6BA00000578-0-image-a-76_1503543067123.jpg

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/08/24/03/4381E6B200000578-0-image-a-79_1503543382731.jpg
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Full Throttle posted...

That means if they are unable to serve in a war zone or take part in a training or serve on a ship for months, then they must go.

Seems fair.
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Zeus posted...

Full Throttle posted...

That means if they are unable to serve in a war zone or take part in a training or serve on a ship for months, then they must go.

Seems fair.

Oh shit bro you just disagreed with a topic about transgenders, better say goodbye to that whopping 0-3 karma you're about to lose. The poor children in countries that don't have karma will weep for the loss.
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Zeus posted...

Full Throttle posted...

That means if they are unable to serve in a war zone or take part in a training or serve on a ship for months, then they must go.

Seems fair.

Right.
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Harsh reality time: the military is not the place for social experiments. Trans soldiers do not offer an advantage in combat. Another harsh reality, women do not offer an advantage in combat, and are held to a lower standard than male soldiers, hence why so many are opposed to women in combat roles.

The US military fights to win, and if there are groups of people that can't keep up or will hurt the combat effectiveness of a group, then they get gone.
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If Trump is soooo concerned about costs and burdens, maybe he should stop vacationing to his clubs to play golf.

Zeus posted...

Full Throttle posted...

That means if they are unable to serve in a war zone or take part in a training or serve on a ship for months, then they must go.

Seems fair.

XlaxJynx007 posted...

Harsh reality time: the military is not the place for social experiments. Trans soldiers do not offer an advantage in combat. Another harsh reality, women do not offer an advantage in combat, and are held to a lower standard than male soldiers, hence why so many are opposed to women in combat roles.

The US military fights to win, and if there are groups of people that can't keep up or will hurt the combat effectiveness of a group, then they get gone.

These posts win.
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Metro2 posted...

If Trump is soooo concerned about costs and burdens, maybe he should stop vacationing to his clubs to play golf.

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PK_Spam posted...

Metro2 posted...

If Trump is soooo concerned about costs and burdens, maybe he should stop vacationing to his clubs to play golf.

right b/c obama didn't fuck off for months at a time on taxpayer money, yeah no you liberals aren't going to win this argument so don't even bother setting yourselves up
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How can you guys even argue against this? If they can't do the very thing they are paid to do, why the fuck would we allow them to keep getting paid?

You're trying to deflect with the "trump goes golfing!!!" but like really? He has the most stressful job in the country. Let the man have some private time to take his mind off of the many problems this country is faced with.
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Speaking of transgender soldiers, I'd like to remind you fine folks of this:


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Krow_Incarnate posted...

Zeus posted...

Full Throttle posted...

That means if they are unable to serve in a war zone or take part in a training or serve on a ship for months, then they must go.

Seems fair.

XlaxJynx007 posted...

Harsh reality time: the military is not the place for social experiments. Trans soldiers do not offer an advantage in combat. Another harsh reality, women do not offer an advantage in combat, and are held to a lower standard than male soldiers, hence why so many are opposed to women in combat roles.

The US military fights to win, and if there are groups of people that can't keep up or will hurt the combat effectiveness of a group, then they get gone.

These posts win.

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Full Throttle posted...

That means if they are unable to serve in a war zone or take part in a training or serve on a ship for months, then they must go.

That's cool as long as it applies to nontransgender people as well

green dragon posted...

Full Throttle posted...

That means if they are unable to serve in a war zone or take part in a training or serve on a ship for months, then they must go.

That's cool as long as it applies to nontransgender people as well

That has applied forever
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SmokeMassTree posted...

How can you guys even argue against this? If they can't do the very thing they are paid to do, why the fuck would we allow them to keep getting paid?

Because it's the military and I literally watched them do it for years when I was in.

XlaxJynx007 posted...

green dragon posted...

Full Throttle posted...

That means if they are unable to serve in a war zone or take part in a training or serve on a ship for months, then they must go.

That's cool as long as it applies to nontransgender people as well

That has applied forever

Then what is the point of this stupid ban
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I don't think it's good policy, but it's not bad for America either. We're making a war machine, not a rainbow coalition.
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I love that gender reassignment is being compared to gallbladder and shoulder surgery... Give me a fucking break. I'm gonna need eye surgery from rolling mine so hard at that...
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SmokeMassTree posted...

He has the most stressful job in the country. Let the man have some private time to take his mind off of the many problems this country is faced with.

And now let's all take a moment to acknowledge how conservatives would be frothing at the mouth if this were said about Obama.
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You and i both know that there's ONE important difference between Trump and Obama that keeps the right from constantly criticizing him.
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PK_Spam posted...

You and i both know that there's ONE important difference between Trump and Obama that keeps the right from constantly criticizing him.

Race has nothing to do with it, and the right already criticize him plenty. Establishment republicans hate him.
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What makes transgender people's medical expensive more than normal people?
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wyansas posted...

PK_Spam posted...

You and i both know that there's ONE important difference between Trump and Obama that keeps the right from constantly criticizing him.

Race has nothing to do with it, and the right already criticize him plenty. Establishment republicans hate him.

Remember that time they called Obama and his family monkies?

Yeah. Race has NOTHING to do with it
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PK_Spam posted...

wyansas posted...

PK_Spam posted...

You and i both know that there's ONE important difference between Trump and Obama that keeps the right from constantly criticizing him.

Race has nothing to do with it, and the right already criticize him plenty. Establishment republicans hate him.

Remember that time they called Obama and his family monkies?

Yeah. Race has NOTHING to do with it

Not to mention some of them putting the emphasis on his middle name when it was said.
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Zeus posted...

Full Throttle posted...

That means if they are unable to serve in a war zone or take part in a training or serve on a ship for months, then they must go.

Seems fair.

It would, if that actually applied here. There are already tests in place for those things that don't directly have anything to do with whether or not somebody's trans. The trans people in question had to pass such tests to get in in the first place, so if being trans means they're unfit to serve (which it certainly could, given how disruptive the treatment is), that's already taken care of. This is nothing more than a half-baked idea for earning brownie points among the gay-hating redneck part of Trump's fanbase (and it's working beautifully for that).

TheCyborgNinja posted...

I love that gender reassignment is being compared to gallbladder and shoulder surgery... Give me a f***ing break. I'm gonna need eye surgery from rolling mine so hard at that...

Untreated, gender dysphoria has a 37% suicide rate. That's a much higher mortality rate than a torn rotator cuff. Mental health treatment is no less legitimate than physical health treatment, despite what many would like to believe, and that includes treating gender dysphoria.

spooky96 posted...

What makes transgender people's medical expensive more than normal people?

All other things being equal, $30 worth of hormones a month for the rest of their lives, plus the potential costs of actually transitioning (though I would expect them to be taken off of active duty during that process, because it's pretty debilitating). Estimates put the annual costs associated specifically with transgender service members at 2.4-4.4 million, which isn't nothing, but it's hard to be seriously concerned about that when the military spent $80 million treating erectile dysfunction in 2014, and their total health budget that year was 45,000 million.
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I'm also curious on what would make a Transgender without the physical transition not suitable for combat.
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KStateKing17 posted...

I'm also curious on what would make a Transgender without the physical transition not suitable for combat.

Potentially their mental state, though as with any mental health issue, that would have to be evaluated on a person-by-person basis (and already is because mental health is a big deal for service members, and will continue to be regardless of whatever random thing Trump feels like tweeting).
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XlaxJynx007 posted...

Harsh reality time: the military is not the place for social experiments. Trans soldiers do not offer an advantage in combat. Another harsh reality, women do not offer an advantage in combat, and are held to a lower standard than male soldiers, hence why so many are opposed to women in combat roles.

The US military fights to win, and if there are groups of people that can't keep up or will hurt the combat effectiveness of a group, then they get gone.

This post would be relevant if there weren't actually more positions in the military that aren't front line infantry than otherwise at this point

Transgender soldiers already had to pass all the same requirements as regular soldiers, it's not like they got a pass right? So what's the difference here?

Thanks adjl
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KevinceKostner posted...

So what's the difference here?

Muh religious freedom!
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From what I've seen, the military doesn't support this change in policy. So why is it happening?
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OmegaTomHank posted...

XlaxJynx007 posted...

Harsh reality time: the military is not the place for social experiments. Trans soldiers do not offer an advantage in combat. Another harsh reality, women do not offer an advantage in combat, and are held to a lower standard than male soldiers, hence why so many are opposed to women in combat roles.

The US military fights to win, and if there are groups of people that can't keep up or will hurt the combat effectiveness of a group, then they get gone.

This post would be relevant if there weren't actually more positions in the military that aren't front line infantry than otherwise at this point

And your post would be relevant if this was WWII and asymmetrical warfare wasn't a current issue.

Full Throttle posted...

That means if they are unable to serve in a war zone or take part in a training or serve on a ship for months, then they must go.

What a bullshit post hoc rationalization from transphobes. How were there 15,000 transgender soldiers already if they couldn't serve in any capacity?

XlaxJynx007 posted...

Harsh reality time: the military is not the place for social experiments. Trans soldiers do not offer an advantage in combat. Another harsh reality, women do not offer an advantage in combat, and are held to a lower standard than male soldiers, hence why so many are opposed to women in combat roles.

The US military fights to win, and if there are groups of people that can't keep up or will hurt the combat effectiveness of a group, then they get gone.

Don't be stupid, if there were 15,000 transgendered soldiers already, then removing them is the social experiment, and an expensive one.
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Welcher_P posted...

Full Throttle posted...

That means if they are unable to serve in a war zone or take part in a training or serve on a ship for months, then they must go.

What a bullshit post hoc rationalization from transphobes. How were there 15,000 transgender soldiers already if they couldn't serve in any capacity?

XlaxJynx007 posted...

Harsh reality time: the military is not the place for social experiments. Trans soldiers do not offer an advantage in combat. Another harsh reality, women do not offer an advantage in combat, and are held to a lower standard than male soldiers, hence why so many are opposed to women in combat roles.

The US military fights to win, and if there are groups of people that can't keep up or will hurt the combat effectiveness of a group, then they get gone.

Don't be stupid, if there were 15,000 transgendered soldiers already, then removing them is the social experiment, and an expensive one.

If you're Erik, you can fuck right off and leave
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Full Throttle posted...

Not all of them seek treatment but those that have had treatment would render them non-deployable.

Those that have already had treatment would be undeployable? Are there significant associated costs with "has had surgery at some point in the past" or is this just nakedly a hate thing?
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XlaxJynx007 posted...

If you're Erik, you can fuck right off and leave

Great retort. Next time, just admit I'm right and save yourself the trouble.
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Holy heck, I figured trump issued that tweet to distract from his own problems because at that moment trans people were "convenient." which is to say, you and I could be convenient next. When the heat gets too hot he tweets random shit to take the media pressure off of the russia business...I mean theres like a clear pattern. Heat too hot, pick on somebody who in that moment is convenient. Joe and Mika, trans people, CNN, etc etc.

I never thought he'd actually try to go through with it.

I'm just waiting for the day he tweets about me because the heat has gotten too hot and he needs a distraction. It could be me, or you, and anybody. nobody is safe.

waterdeepchu posted...

From what I've seen, the military doesn't support this change in policy. So why is it happening?

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Welcher_P posted...

XlaxJynx007 posted...

If you're Erik, you can fuck right off and leave

Great retort. Next time, just admit I'm right and save yourself the trouble.

How do you get a new account suspended that quick
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They should join the Californian army after it secedes.
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Side-note of interest, NPR mentioned something about this ban actually being a long-standing thing which was undone by Obama.
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green dragon posted...

Full Throttle posted...

That means if they are unable to serve in a war zone or take part in a training or serve on a ship for months, then they must go.

That's cool as long as it applies to nontransgender people as well

Yep, should apply to cis service people as well.

IronBornCorps posted...

green dragon posted...

Full Throttle posted...

That means if they are unable to serve in a war zone or take part in a training or serve on a ship for months, then they must go.

That's cool as long as it applies to nontransgender people as well

Yep, should apply to cis service people as well.

Actually, we just call them normal or normies. Sometimes muggles.
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Mead posted...

XlaxJynx007 posted...

green dragon posted...

Full Throttle posted...

That means if they are unable to serve in a war zone or take part in a training or serve on a ship for months, then they must go.

That's cool as long as it applies to nontransgender people as well

That has applied forever

Then what is the point of this stupid ban

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adjl posted...

Zeus posted...

Full Throttle posted...

That means if they are unable to serve in a war zone or take part in a training or serve on a ship for months, then they must go.

Seems fair.

It would, if that actually applied here. There are already tests in place for those things that don't directly have anything to do with whether or not somebody's trans. The trans people in question had to pass such tests to get in in the first place, so if being trans means they're unfit to serve (which it certainly could, given how disruptive the treatment is), that's already taken care of. This is nothing more than a half-baked idea for earning brownie points among the gay-hating redneck part of Trump's fanbase (and it's working beautifully for that).

TheCyborgNinja posted...

I love that gender reassignment is being compared to gallbladder and shoulder surgery... Give me a f***ing break. I'm gonna need eye surgery from rolling mine so hard at that...

Untreated, gender dysphoria has a 37% suicide rate. That's a much higher mortality rate than a torn rotator cuff. Mental health treatment is no less legitimate than physical health treatment, despite what many would like to believe, and that includes treating gender dysphoria.

spooky96 posted...

What makes transgender people's medical expensive more than normal people?

All other things being equal, $30 worth of hormones a month for the rest of their lives, plus the potential costs of actually transitioning (though I would expect them to be taken off of active duty during that process, because it's pretty debilitating). Estimates put the annual costs associated specifically with transgender service members at 2.4-4.4 million, which isn't nothing, but it's hard to be seriously concerned about that when the military spent $80 million treating erectile dysfunction in 2014, and their total health budget that year was 45,000 million.

Except studies show that post-op trans people are even more prone to suicide, so that's obviously not the real problem. Google it.
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Mead posted...

Mead posted...

XlaxJynx007 posted...

green dragon posted...

Full Throttle posted...

That means if they are unable to serve in a war zone or take part in a training or serve on a ship for months, then they must go.

That's cool as long as it applies to nontransgender people as well

That has applied forever

Then what is the point of this stupid ban

Because Obama passed a provision exempting them from the same standards as other soldiers due to anti-discrimination statutes?
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/the-real-cost-of-trumps-trans-military-ban_us_59925e1ce4b063e2ae05828a
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slacker03150 posted...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/the-real-cost-of-trumps-trans-military-ban_us_59925e1ce4b063e2ae05828a

When your source's first sentence is, "The forces of evil unleashed in the Trump Era seem overwhelming," you should know that it's complete garbage because it'll be unbelievably biased propaganda.
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Well, that ban was short-lived.