Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 116: Procedural Drama

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https://www.cafe.com/scaramucci-trumps-not-elite-because-he-eats-burgers-and-pizza/
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GuessMyUserName posted...

https://judiciary.house.gov/press-release/goodlatte-judiciary-republicans-call-second-special-counsel-address-issues-outside-scope-special-counsel-muellers-investigation/

really now

GOP calling for a second special counsel to investigate Lynch, Obama, Comey, and Clinton

Fuck these people
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What do they even expect to find?

Skyridge87 posted...

What do they even expect to find?

half life 3
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The same thing they expected to find with Benghazi
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Skyridge87 posted...

What do they even expect to find?

I'd imagine butter and emails.
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more chanting supporters
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https://www.budget.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/HealthCareFreedomAct.pdf

this is it
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Why is "tell it like it is" even remotely considered something to brag about? Most children "tell it like it is", and it's not that difficult to turn off one's filter.

And ironic as it is, it seems like a lot of these people are insincere about.... everything. I mean Trump himself goes back on his word, and a lot of his supporters don't actually stand for anything. Their actions prove that.
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But seriously, it's nothing more than an attempt to distract/confuse people with another investigation. Or downplay Mueller's investigation by going "yeah but look everyone's got an investigation"
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Dark Young Link posted...

Why is "tell it like it is" even remotely considered something to brag about?

should have just posted the election results for NY/NYC/Philadelphia and went

"yeah they told us like it was"
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Just remember that these clowns are going to be in charge if, God forbid, we get hit with a major natural disaster or a major terrorist attack.
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Dark Young Link posted...

Why is "tell it like it is" even remotely considered something to brag about? Most children "tell it like it is", and it's not that difficult to turn off one's filter.

And ironic as it is, it seems like a lot of these people are insincere about.... everything. I mean Trump himself goes back on his word, and a lot of his supporters don't actually stand for anything. Their actions prove that.

Not to mention how much offense they took from the deplorable comment. They fundamentally don't care about "telling it like it is", they want "tell em what they wanna hear".
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TheRock1525 posted...

Just remember that these clowns are going to be in charge if, God forbid, we get hit with a major natural disaster or a major terrorist attack.

This is going to sound absolutely awful but...

part of me hopes that situation occurs.

No I don't wish for anyone to die, I don't wish for anyone to suffer.

But if these assholes want to be in charge, throw them into the hot seat. See how they do when actual adversity strikes them, and not this petty bullshit we're dealing with.

You've got a plan? Go ahead, show us. See how far butwhataboutism gets us all when the shit hits the fan.
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Dark Young Link posted...

I mean Trump himself goes back on his word, and a lot of his supporters don't actually stand for anything. Their actions prove that.

Trump literally gave an interview with the quote -- "I don't stand by anything."
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FFDragon posted...

Dark Young Link posted...

I mean Trump himself goes back on his word, and a lot of his supporters don't actually stand for anything. Their actions prove that.

Trump literally gave an interview with the quote -- "I don't stand by anything."

Didn't he also literally say "I will lie to you" at one of his rallies, aka speaking directly to his base?
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Dark Young Link posted...

See how they do when actual adversity strikes them

I think I'd be pretty scared in that event, tbqh.
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You can do anything as long as you "tell it like it is"!

Even LIE about what "it" is!
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xp1337 posted...

Dark Young Link posted...

See how they do when actual adversity strikes them

I think I'd be pretty scared in that event, tbqh.

As would anyone sane.
Hell even someone that's mildly crazy like me would be terrified.
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So it's been pointed out that Mitch putting PP defunding and waivers in the skinny bill is likely to make it more palatable to the Freedom Caucus, since he doesn't appear to have any Senators demanding their inclusion. If true this would, of course, indicate that he's lying about his endgame and is likely totally fine with skinny repeal passing as-is (if it wasn't obvious enough already).
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Dark Young Link posted...

Why is "tell it like it is" even remotely considered something to brag about? Most children "tell it like it is", and it's not that difficult to turn off one's filter.

And ironic as it is, it seems like a lot of these people are insincere about.... everything. I mean Trump himself goes back on his word, and a lot of his supporters don't actually stand for anything. Their actions prove that.

Because Politicians are known for lying.

Thing is, so's Trump. He just doesn't sound like a Politician, so his base doesn't think he's lying. Because I guess only politicians lie.

He tells them he'll lie? What a great guy, he must actually tell the truth all the time!
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LordoftheMorons posted...

So it's been pointed out that Mitch putting PP defunding and waivers in the skinny bill is likely to make it more palatable to the Freedom Caucus, since he doesn't appear to have any Senators demanding their inclusion. If true this would, of course, indicate that he's lying about his endgame and is likely totally fine with skinny repeal passing as-is (if it wasn't obvious enough already).

Yeah.

Or this is some weird play where he's setting it up to get knocked down by the Byrd Rule and go "welp we tried"

I don't think so, though.

I think they're really going to pass this.
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LordoftheMorons posted...

So it's been pointed out that Mitch putting PP defunding and waivers in the skinny bill is likely to make it more palatable to the Freedom Caucus, since he doesn't appear to have any Senators demanding their inclusion. If true this would, of course, indicate that he's lying about his endgame and is likely totally fine with skinny repeal passing as-is (if it wasn't obvious enough already).

Of course he is lying. He doesnt care what the bill actually does to the country so long as he can convince enough people to vote for it no matter what he has to promise them. He only wants to win.
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https://twitter.com/TPM/status/889998772117401604

House Science Committee Chair says melting arctic ice is good because it creates more water for ships to sail over bit.ly/2uyx07o
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lordloki12 posted...

LordoftheMorons posted...

So it's been pointed out that Mitch putting PP defunding and waivers in the skinny bill is likely to make it more palatable to the Freedom Caucus, since he doesn't appear to have any Senators demanding their inclusion. If true this would, of course, indicate that he's lying about his endgame and is likely totally fine with skinny repeal passing as-is (if it wasn't obvious enough already).

Of course he is lying. He doesnt care what the bill actually does to the country so long as he can convince enough people to vote for it no matter what he has to promise them. He only wants to win.

Yeah,lordloki12 posted...

LordoftheMorons posted...

So it's been pointed out that Mitch putting PP defunding and waivers in the skinny bill is likely to make it more palatable to the Freedom Caucus, since he doesn't appear to have any Senators demanding their inclusion. If true this would, of course, indicate that he's lying about his endgame and is likely totally fine with skinny repeal passing as-is (if it wasn't obvious enough already).

Of course he is lying. He doesnt care what the bill actually does to the country so long as he can convince enough people to vote for it no matter what he has to promise them. He only wants to win.

What I don't get is how the other Republican Senators can't see it

Like, do they think "I didn't really mean for it to pass" is gonna cut it?
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LordoftheMorons posted...

Like, do they think "I didn't really mean for it to pass" is gonna cut it?

"If I had known it was going to pass I'd have voted against it!"
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LordoftheMorons posted...

Like, do they think "I didn't really mean for it to pass" is gonna cut it?

Why wouldn't it cut it? It's not like the people will do anything to them.
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Dark Young Link posted...

LordoftheMorons posted...

Like, do they think "I didn't really mean for it to pass" is gonna cut it?

Why wouldn't it cut it? It's not like the people will do anything to them.

And/or they're already fucked, I suppose.
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I'm seeing some CBO numbers floated but I'm not totally clear if they're on the bill that was written apparently a few hours ago or an older version.

the numbers are atrocious though
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If Mitch pulls this off, he is officially the best in the game since Daniel Webster

You gotta respect the technique
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Well they pretty much made Ryan promise it would be amended when this sends it back to the house so yeah "I didn't really mean for it to pass" is the actual strategy they are using tonight. It allows them to tell the public it wasn't really their fault and it keeps their loyalty to the party so they can get whatever they might want added on the next bill if their favor didnt make it into this one.
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Nelson_Mandela posted...

If Mitch pulls this off, he is officially the best in the game since Daniel Webster

You gotta respect the technique

His technique at markedly decreasing the quality of life for millions of his countrymen?
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CBO is estimating the new law would lead to 16 million more people uninsured through 2026. There's also this gem:

"CBO and JCT estimate that premiums for policies in the nongroup market would increase by roughly 20 percent relative to current law in all years between 2018 and 2026."

But yeah, McConnell's a genius. Shitty health care at higher prices for everybody! (Except the ultra rich, but they can pay for it already so who gives a fuck.)

https://www.cbo.gov/system/files/115th-congress-2017-2018/costestimate/s.a.667.pdf
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"I'm sorry officer, Paul Ryan promised me the gun wasn't loaded!"
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Not_an_Owl posted...

Nelson_Mandela posted...

If Mitch pulls this off, he is officially the best in the game since Daniel Webster

You gotta respect the technique

His technique at markedly decreasing the quality of life for millions of his countrymen?

Hate the game, not the player.

If he gets this done, he is the Tom Brady of the Senate. The Dems are of course there Atlanta Falcons (should have won by any measure, but somehow continue to choke).
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Nelson_Mandela posted...

You gotta respect the technique

can't really do that when you're in control of a caucus that will apparently vote on things they've never seen before

or things they don't support and are only voting for under the assumption it'll be fixed in conference

because if you have that it's actually more stunning he failed multiple times already
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Not_an_Owl posted...

CBO is estimating the new law would lead to 16 million more people uninsured through 2026. There's also this gem:

"CBO and JCT estimate that premiums for policies in the nongroup market would increase by roughly 20 percent relative to current law in all years between 2018 and 2026."

But yeah, McConnell's a genius. Shitty health care at higher prices for everybody! (Except the ultra rich, but they can pay for it already so who gives a fuck.)

https://www.cbo.gov/system/files/115th-congress-2017-2018/costestimate/s.a.667.pdf

It's almost as if the Democrats will have to work with the GOP to draft legislation to fix it!
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Nelson_Mandela posted...

Not_an_Owl posted...

Nelson_Mandela posted...

If Mitch pulls this off, he is officially the best in the game since Daniel Webster

You gotta respect the technique

His technique at markedly decreasing the quality of life for millions of his countrymen?

Hate the game, not the player.

If he gets this done, he is the Tom Brady of the Senate. The Dems are of course there Atlanta Falcons (should have won by any measure, but somehow continue to choke).

I prefer to praise politicians who actually improve the country they're elected to serve, thanks.
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Nelson_Mandela posted...

It's almost as if the Democrats will have to work with the GOP to draft legislation to fix it!

or watch 2018 and 2020 be wave elections for them

and since the senate norms are gone they can try and pass single-payer with 50+1
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Nelson_Mandela posted...

Not_an_Owl posted...

CBO is estimating the new law would lead to 16 million more people uninsured through 2026. There's also this gem:

"CBO and JCT estimate that premiums for policies in the nongroup market would increase by roughly 20 percent relative to current law in all years between 2018 and 2026."

But yeah, McConnell's a genius. Shitty health care at higher prices for everybody! (Except the ultra rich, but they can pay for it already so who gives a fuck.)

https://www.cbo.gov/system/files/115th-congress-2017-2018/costestimate/s.a.667.pdf

It's almost as if the Democrats will have to work with the GOP to draft legislation to fix it!

They wouldn't need to fix anything if the GOP wasn't pushing this bill through in the first place.
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People expecting Seph to show empathy.
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Not_an_Owl posted...

Nelson_Mandela posted...

Not_an_Owl posted...

Nelson_Mandela posted...

If Mitch pulls this off, he is officially the best in the game since Daniel Webster

You gotta respect the technique

His technique at markedly decreasing the quality of life for millions of his countrymen?

Hate the game, not the player.

If he gets this done, he is the Tom Brady of the Senate. The Dems are of course there Atlanta Falcons (should have won by any measure, but somehow continue to choke).

I prefer to praise politicians who actually improve the country they're elected to serve, thanks.

Not asking you to respect him as a civil servant. But a success here, especially after Gorsuch, makes him a stud politician.
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McConnell can't be a genius if it took him 5-6 tries and ended up with a severely watered down bill of what they wanted to do. if this passes, it's probably a 50-50 one.

https://twitter.com/FoxNews/status/890757738543931393
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No surprise Seph cares more about winning than human life.
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Not_an_Owl posted...

Nelson_Mandela posted...

Not_an_Owl posted...

CBO is estimating the new law would lead to 16 million more people uninsured through 2026. There's also this gem:

"CBO and JCT estimate that premiums for policies in the nongroup market would increase by roughly 20 percent relative to current law in all years between 2018 and 2026."

But yeah, McConnell's a genius. Shitty health care at higher prices for everybody! (Except the ultra rich, but they can pay for it already so who gives a fuck.)

https://www.cbo.gov/system/files/115th-congress-2017-2018/costestimate/s.a.667.pdf

It's almost as if the Democrats will have to work with the GOP to draft legislation to fix it!

They wouldn't need to fix anything if the GOP wasn't pushing this bill through in the first place.

So then you're saying they shouldn't bother trying to compromise later on?
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Also McConnell pulling this off speaks less about him and speaks much much more about the people who put him in.

No one's impressed if you pull a fast one on a toddler, a lot of voters have a similar ability to detect bullshit.
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transience posted...

McConnell can't be a genius if it took him 5-6 tries and ended up with a severely watered down bill of what they wanted to do. if this passes, it's probably a 50-50 one.

https://twitter.com/FoxNews/status/890757738543931393

Mitch doesn't care about the bill. We just want Obamacare dead to force the Democrats to work with the GOP to actually craft decent bipartisan legislation.
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Nelson_Mandela posted...

Not_an_Owl posted...

Nelson_Mandela posted...

Not_an_Owl posted...

CBO is estimating the new law would lead to 16 million more people uninsured through 2026. There's also this gem:

"CBO and JCT estimate that premiums for policies in the nongroup market would increase by roughly 20 percent relative to current law in all years between 2018 and 2026."

But yeah, McConnell's a genius. Shitty health care at higher prices for everybody! (Except the ultra rich, but they can pay for it already so who gives a fuck.)

https://www.cbo.gov/system/files/115th-congress-2017-2018/costestimate/s.a.667.pdf

It's almost as if the Democrats will have to work with the GOP to draft legislation to fix it!

They wouldn't need to fix anything if the GOP wasn't pushing this bill through in the first place.

So then you're saying they shouldn't bother trying to compromise later on?

I'm saying they shouldn't be passing this bill in the first place.
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Obamacare isn't even dead if this passes. they'll claim it is, though.
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Nelson_Mandela posted...

We just want Obamacare dead to force the Democrats to work with the GOP to actually craft decent bipartisan legislation.

why would they

after all isn't the "tom brady of the senate" play here to keep saying "no" until you have a majority?
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