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LordoftheMorons 07/28/17 12:27:33 AM #453:	Very well could be false hope but: https://twitter.com/ParkerMolloy/status/890788911324119046 --- Congrats to BKSheikah for winning the BYIG Guru Challenge! <cite>LordoftheMorons posted [p:883735357] in Politics C... [t:75607094]...</cite> <quote>Very well could be false hope but: https://twitter.com/ParkerMolloy/status/890788911324119046</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red sox 777 07/28/17 12:28:29 AM #454:	No, people will blame Obamacare for the premium increase. Because it's been steadily rising under Obamacare for the last 7 years. And just a few months ago, our president promised that premiums would rise 50-100% this year if we keep Obamacare. --- September 1, 2003; November 4, 2007; September 2, 2013 Congratulations to DP Oblivion in the Guru Contest! <cite>red sox 777 posted [p:883735397] in Politics C... [t:75607094]...</cite> <quote>No, people will blame Obamacare for the premium increase. Because it's been steadily rising under Obamacare for the last 7 years. And just a few months ago, our president promised that premiums would rise 50-100% this year if we keep Obamacare.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRock1525 07/28/17 12:28:56 AM #455:	LordoftheMorons posted... Very well could be false hope but: https://twitter.com/ParkerMolloy/status/890788911324119046 Like I said, rumor is McCain is voting no but Murkowski is flipped to a yes. Schumer might simply be thinking that the bill is dead only because he assumed Murkowski stayed. Or maybe he's just thanking McCain for doing what he thinks is right regardless of the vote. --- TheRock ~ I had a name, my father called me Blues. <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:883735418] in Politics C... [t:75607094]...</cite> <quote><cite>LordoftheMorons posted...</cite> <quote>Very well could be false hope but: https://twitter.com/ParkerMolloy/status/890788911324119046</quote> Like I said, rumor is McCain is voting no but Murkowski is flipped to a yes. Schumer might simply be thinking that the bill is dead only because he assumed Murkowski stayed. Or maybe he's just thanking McCain for doing what he thinks is right regardless of the vote.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRock1525 07/28/17 12:30:01 AM #456:	red sox 777 posted... No, people will blame Obamacare for the premium increase. Why? They literally hate everything the Republicans have proposed and they will actually get something through now. As far as they're concerned, the second the bill becomes law the state of health care is owned by the Republicans. These are how waves happen. --- TheRock ~ I had a name, my father called me Blues. <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:883735463] in Politics C... [t:75607094]...</cite> <quote><cite>red sox 777 posted...</cite> <quote>No, people will blame Obamacare for the premium increase.</quote> Why? They literally hate everything the Republicans have proposed and they will actually get something through now. As far as they're concerned, the second the bill becomes law the state of health care is owned by the Republicans. These are how waves happen.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordoftheMorons 07/28/17 12:30:26 AM #457:	TheRock1525 posted... Like I said, rumor is McCain is voting no but Murkowski is flipped to a yes. Schumer might simply be thinking that the bill is dead only because he assumed Murkowski stayed. Or maybe he's just thanking McCain for doing what he thinks is right regardless of the vote. Ugh, I certainly hope that isn't the case I had assumed that including the PP defunding implicitly gave up on Murkowski/Collins. --- Congrats to BKSheikah for winning the BYIG Guru Challenge! <cite>LordoftheMorons posted [p:883735480] in Politics C... [t:75607094]...</cite> <quote><cite>TheRock1525 posted...</cite> <quote>Like I said, rumor is McCain is voting no but Murkowski is flipped to a yes. Schumer might simply be thinking that the bill is dead only because he assumed Murkowski stayed. Or maybe he's just thanking McCain for doing what he thinks is right regardless of the vote.</quote> Ugh, I certainly hope that isn't the case I had assumed that including the PP defunding implicitly gave up on Murkowski/Collins.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Paratroopa1 07/28/17 12:30:53 AM #458:	Oh dang I actually had hopes for Murkowski. nevermind <cite>Paratroopa1 posted [p:883735502] in Politics C... [t:75607094]...</cite> <quote>Oh dang I actually had hopes for Murkowski. nevermind</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
xp1337 07/28/17 12:31:10 AM #459:	red sox 777 posted... No, people will blame Obamacare for the premium increase. Because it's been steadily rising under Obamacare for the last 7 years. And just a few months ago, our president promised that premiums would rise 50-100% this year if we keep Obamacare. they'll blame it even if it's repealed? man maybe you can rival me in cynicism --- xp1337: Don't you wish there was a spell-checker that told you when you a word out? <cite>xp1337 posted [p:883735513] in Politics C... [t:75607094]...</cite> <quote><cite>red sox 777 posted...</cite> <quote>No, people will blame Obamacare for the premium increase. Because it's been steadily rising under Obamacare for the last 7 years. And just a few months ago, our president promised that premiums would rise 50-100% this year if we keep Obamacare.</quote> they'll blame it even if it's repealed? man maybe you can rival me in cynicism</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red sox 777 07/28/17 12:34:17 AM #460:	Aren't Democrats blaming the pre-Obamacare system for the premium increases, even now? As if it were uncontestable fact? It's not really surprising if a new system causes premium increases in the short term. --- September 1, 2003; November 4, 2007; September 2, 2013 Congratulations to DP Oblivion in the Guru Contest! <cite>red sox 777 posted [p:883735665] in Politics C... [t:75607094]...</cite> <quote>Aren't Democrats blaming the pre-Obamacare system for the premium increases, even now? As if it were uncontestable fact? It's not really surprising if a new system causes premium increases in the short term.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRock1525 07/28/17 12:34:36 AM #461:	This idea that Republicans are Teflon who never get voted out of office is really weird. --- TheRock ~ I had a name, my father called me Blues. <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:883735680] in Politics C... [t:75607094]...</cite> <quote>This idea that Republicans are Teflon who never get voted out of office is really weird.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red sox 777 07/28/17 12:36:29 AM #462:	They're not teflon. If they fail to repeal Obamacare, they will probably be voted out of power. --- September 1, 2003; November 4, 2007; September 2, 2013 Congratulations to DP Oblivion in the Guru Contest! <cite>red sox 777 posted [p:883735744] in Politics C... [t:75607094]...</cite> <quote>They're not teflon. If they fail to repeal Obamacare, they will probably be voted out of power.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
velocycloraptor 07/28/17 12:36:38 AM #463:	red sox 777 posted... No, people will blame Obamacare for the premium increase. Because it's been steadily rising under Obamacare for the last 7 years. And just a few months ago, our president promised that premiums would rise 50-100% this year if we keep Obamacare. A big thing many libs don't understand is that no matter how shitty the gop is, regular folks will trust their lies because the democratic establishment seems to them like a bunch of wealthy, haughty, out of touch elitists from the big city. And since they are both lying crooks, might as well support the guys who speak your language, so to speak. Dems just kowtow to many GOP ideas and rhetoric, and they just come across as being fake. Democrats actively despise regular people, and while the GOP does in their policies, they are very good at manipulating them. Big reason why Bernie did better than Hillary among independents wasn't that he had yet to be attacked, like so many centrist pundits said, (he is currently the most popular politician in the us, after all), it was that he was far far better at coming across like a guy who understands and cares about regular folks. <cite>velocycloraptor posted [p:883735749] in Politics C... [t:75607094]...</cite> <quote><cite>red sox 777 posted...</cite> <quote>No, people will blame Obamacare for the premium increase. Because it's been steadily rising under Obamacare for the last 7 years. And just a few months ago, our president promised that premiums would rise 50-100% this year if we keep Obamacare.</quote> A big thing many libs don't understand is that no matter how shitty the gop is, regular folks will trust their lies because the democratic establishment seems to them like a bunch of wealthy, haughty, out of touch elitists from the big city. And since they are both lying crooks, might as well support the guys who speak your language, so to speak. Dems just kowtow to many GOP ideas and rhetoric, and they just come across as being fake. Democrats actively despise regular people, and while the GOP does in their policies, they are very good at manipulating them. Big reason why Bernie did better than Hillary among independents wasn't that he had yet to be attacked, like so many centrist pundits said, (he is currently the most popular politician in the us, after all), it was that he was far far better at coming across like a guy who understands and cares about regular folks.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dancedreamer 07/28/17 12:37:56 AM #464:	TheRock1525 posted... This idea that Republicans are Teflon who never get voted out of office is really weird. Not really. Republicans don't think Republicans can do any wrong because they don't really care about most of the issues they talk about. As long as you're a Christian, For Gun Rights, Against Abortion, and pro-discrimination against gay and transgenders, you're A-OK. --- This isn't funny Dean, the voice says I'm almost out of minutes! ~Alexandra <cite>Dancedreamer posted [p:883735796] in Politics C... [t:75607094]...</cite> <quote><cite>TheRock1525 posted...</cite> <quote>This idea that Republicans are Teflon who never get voted out of office is really weird. </quote> Not really. Republicans don't think Republicans can do any wrong because they don't really care about most of the issues they talk about. As long as you're a Christian, For Gun Rights, Against Abortion, and pro-discrimination against gay and transgenders, you're A-OK.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
xp1337 07/28/17 12:38:49 AM #465:	red sox 777 posted... Aren't Democrats blaming the pre-Obamacare system for the premium increases, even now? As if it were uncontestable fact? No, I think they're saying that while premiums are still rising, under the ACA the rate of increase has slowed. Which might be an unsatisfying answer but again, if premiums start spiking after a repeal... the repeal doesn't get blamed? I mean, if you pre-suppose that opposition to the ACA exists in a vacuum you can certainly twist things that way. But if you suppose instead that dissatisfaction over the ACA is rooted in things that actually affect people like coverage and cost... --- xp1337: Don't you wish there was a spell-checker that told you when you a word out? <cite>xp1337 posted [p:883735839] in Politics C... [t:75607094]...</cite> <quote><cite>red sox 777 posted...</cite> <quote>Aren't Democrats blaming the pre-Obamacare system for the premium increases, even now? As if it were uncontestable fact?</quote> No, I think they're saying that while premiums are still rising, under the ACA the rate of increase has slowed. Which might be an unsatisfying answer but again, if premiums start spiking after a repeal... the repeal doesn't get blamed? I mean, if you pre-suppose that opposition to the ACA exists in a vacuum you can certainly twist things that way. But if you suppose instead that dissatisfaction over the ACA is rooted in things that actually affect people like coverage and cost...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BowserCuffs 07/28/17 12:38:49 AM #466:	velocycloraptor posted... If you voted for Hillary Clinton over Bernie you don't get to pull the "care about uninsured" card. I voted for Bernie in the primaries, but when he lost and Hillary won, I voted for Hillary. And I'm pulling the "care about uninsured" card on you. --- Disagreeing with your criticism doesn't make me a fanboy; disagreeing with your praise doesn't make me a hater. Fighting over this is self-destructive. <cite>BowserCuffs posted [p:883735840] in Politics C... [t:75607094]...</cite> <quote><cite>velocycloraptor posted...</cite> <quote> If you voted for Hillary Clinton over Bernie you don't get to pull the "care about uninsured" card.</quote> I voted for Bernie in the primaries, but when he lost and Hillary won, I voted for Hillary. And I'm pulling the "care about uninsured" card on you.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red sox 777 07/28/17 12:40:47 AM #467:	Oh, it's really really easy to argue that things have gotten worse, but aren't as bad as they could have been. If it only goes up 20%, it's really easy to point to Trump saying it would have gone up 100% under Obamacare and say that they just saved people 80%. --- September 1, 2003; November 4, 2007; September 2, 2013 Congratulations to DP Oblivion in the Guru Contest! <cite>red sox 777 posted [p:883735931] in Politics C... [t:75607094]...</cite> <quote>Oh, it's really really easy to argue that things have gotten worse, but aren't as bad as they could have been. If it only goes up 20%, it's really easy to point to Trump saying it would have gone up 100% under Obamacare and say that they just saved people 80%.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dancedreamer 07/28/17 12:41:21 AM #468:	Also Bernie wasn't attacked hard, but Republicans were getting ready to hit him with stuff like "He owns three houses, and then talks about free college!" --- This isn't funny Dean, the voice says I'm almost out of minutes! ~Alexandra <cite>Dancedreamer posted [p:883735952] in Politics C... [t:75607094]...</cite> <quote>Also Bernie wasn't attacked hard, but Republicans were getting ready to hit him with stuff like "He owns three houses, and then talks about free college!"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRock1525 07/28/17 12:42:54 AM #469:	We have literally seen massive swings in the political climate multiple times over our lifetimes. Including going from a dominant GOP presidential wins to them Dems taking 6 of the last 7 popular votes. In a largely stagnating economy that is at risk for more bubbles bursting while the GOP is in charge that they'll face zero repercussions. Yes, conservatives will love the GOP always and forever. They're also the smallest of the three major voting blocs. Catering exclusively to them isn't going to cut it. --- TheRock ~ I had a name, my father called me Blues. <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:883735999] in Politics C... [t:75607094]...</cite> <quote>We have literally seen massive swings in the political climate multiple times over our lifetimes. Including going from a dominant GOP presidential wins to them Dems taking 6 of the last 7 popular votes. In a largely stagnating economy that is at risk for more bubbles bursting while the GOP is in charge that they'll face zero repercussions. Yes, conservatives will love the GOP always and forever. They're also the smallest of the three major voting blocs. Catering exclusively to them isn't going to cut it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
velocycloraptor 07/28/17 12:44:43 AM #470:	BowserCuffs posted... velocycloraptor posted... If you voted for Hillary Clinton over Bernie you don't get to pull the "care about uninsured" card. I voted for Bernie in the primaries, but when he lost and Hillary won, I voted for Hillary. And I'm pulling the "care about uninsured" card on you. find me which state me voting for hillary would have impacted the election plz or which state you voting for a candidate who supported uni health care would have given us universal healthcare if you wanna blame voters for our problems you are a dumbass the problem is the wealthy powerful folks who control the puppet idiots in congress don't want us all to have healthcare. <cite>velocycloraptor posted [p:883736066] in Politics C... [t:75607094]...</cite> <quote><cite>BowserCuffs posted...</cite> <quote><cite>velocycloraptor posted...</cite> <quote> If you voted for Hillary Clinton over Bernie you don't get to pull the "care about uninsured" card.</quote> I voted for Bernie in the primaries, but when he lost and Hillary won, I voted for Hillary. And I'm pulling the "care about uninsured" card on you.</quote> find me which state me voting for hillary would have impacted the election plz or which state you voting for a candidate who supported uni health care would have given us universal healthcare if you wanna blame voters for our problems you are a dumbass the problem is the wealthy powerful folks who control the puppet idiots in congress don't want us all to have healthcare.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
xp1337 07/28/17 12:44:57 AM #471:	red sox 777 posted... Oh, it's really really easy to argue that things have gotten worse, but aren't as bad as they could have been. If it only goes up 20%, it's really easy to point to Trump saying it would have gone up 100% under Obamacare and say that they just saved people 80%. yes you could do that meta question here: Are you applying the whole "can do no wrong" fiction to this line of argument? Like: "Republicans campaign on repeal and replace -> Republicans are elected -> Therefore voters absolutely must support repeal and any hoops that must be jumped through to arrive at this conclusion must be assumed?" because that's the only way i can read your posts and not go totally insane still partially insane though because that's such a simplified point of view to take as to be worthless in any discussion without even beginning to touch on the fact that application is just entirely unhelpful here --- xp1337: Don't you wish there was a spell-checker that told you when you a word out? <cite>xp1337 posted [p:883736079] in Politics C... [t:75607094]...</cite> <quote><cite>red sox 777 posted...</cite> <quote>Oh, it's really really easy to argue that things have gotten worse, but aren't as bad as they could have been. If it only goes up 20%, it's really easy to point to Trump saying it would have gone up 100% under Obamacare and say that they just saved people 80%.</quote> yes you could do that meta question here: Are you applying the whole "can do no wrong" fiction to this line of argument? Like: "Republicans campaign on repeal and replace -> Republicans are elected -> Therefore voters absolutely must support repeal and any hoops that must be jumped through to arrive at this conclusion must be assumed?" because that's the only way i can read your posts and not go totally insane still partially insane though because that's such a simplified point of view to take as to be worthless in any discussion without even beginning to touch on the fact that application is just entirely unhelpful here</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red sox 777 07/28/17 12:45:34 AM #472:	Nobody cares that he owns 3 houses, especially if they're in good, virtuous, places like Vermont (as opposed to bad places like big cities). Are there people who would get angry about free college? Yes, but not enough to cost him the election. I maintain that the people who are the most responsible for Trump being president are the people who voted for Hillary in the primary. Perhaps it's not really fair to assign them more agency than other voters, but then, most of them said that Bernie was way better than Trump in their eyes, so I don't think it's that unfair. --- September 1, 2003; November 4, 2007; September 2, 2013 Congratulations to DP Oblivion in the Guru Contest! <cite>red sox 777 posted [p:883736097] in Politics C... [t:75607094]...</cite> <quote>Nobody cares that he owns 3 houses, especially if they're in good, virtuous, places like Vermont (as opposed to bad places like big cities). Are there people who would get angry about free college? Yes, but not enough to cost him the election. I maintain that the people who are the most responsible for Trump being president are the people who voted for Hillary in the primary. Perhaps it's not really fair to assign them more agency than other voters, but then, most of them said that Bernie was way better than Trump in their eyes, so I don't think it's that unfair.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
xp1337 07/28/17 12:46:46 AM #473:	okay that post i can't unpack in any nice way --- xp1337: Don't you wish there was a spell-checker that told you when you a word out? <cite>xp1337 posted [p:883736150] in Politics C... [t:75607094]...</cite> <quote>okay that post i can't unpack in any nice way</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRock1525 07/28/17 12:46:55 AM #474:	We have Trump because three states and less than 100,000 votes, and he's underwater in polling on 11 states he's won. --- TheRock ~ I had a name, my father called me Blues. <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:883736159] in Politics C... [t:75607094]...</cite> <quote>We have Trump because three states and less than 100,000 votes, and he's underwater in polling on 11 states he's won.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red sox 777 07/28/17 12:47:58 AM #475:	xp1337 posted... red sox 777 posted... Oh, it's really really easy to argue that things have gotten worse, but aren't as bad as they could have been. If it only goes up 20%, it's really easy to point to Trump saying it would have gone up 100% under Obamacare and say that they just saved people 80%. yes you could do that meta question here: Are you applying the whole "can do no wrong" fiction to this line of argument? Like: "Republicans campaign on repeal and replace -> Republicans are elected -> Therefore voters absolutely must support repeal and any hoops that must be jumped through to arrive at this conclusion must be assumed?" because that's the only way i can read your posts and no go totally insane still partially insane though because that's such a simplified point of view to take as to be worthless in any discussion without even beginning to touch on the fact that application is just entirely unhelpful here Voters do support repeal. Did you not see the 2010, 2014 and 2016 elections? If repeal happens and then voters don't like it, they should (and probably will) blame themselves before blaming the GOP. The GOP is just doing what they promised their constituents. --- September 1, 2003; November 4, 2007; September 2, 2013 Congratulations to DP Oblivion in the Guru Contest! <cite>red sox 777 posted [p:883736193] in Politics C... [t:75607094]...</cite> <quote><cite>xp1337 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>red sox 777 posted...</cite> <quote>Oh, it's really really easy to argue that things have gotten worse, but aren't as bad as they could have been. If it only goes up 20%, it's really easy to point to Trump saying it would have gone up 100% under Obamacare and say that they just saved people 80%.</quote> yes you could do that meta question here: Are you applying the whole "can do no wrong" fiction to this line of argument? Like: "Republicans campaign on repeal and replace -> Republicans are elected -> Therefore voters absolutely must support repeal and any hoops that must be jumped through to arrive at this conclusion must be assumed?" because that's the only way i can read your posts and no go totally insane still partially insane though because that's such a simplified point of view to take as to be worthless in any discussion without even beginning to touch on the fact that application is just entirely unhelpful here</quote> Voters do support repeal. Did you not see the 2010, 2014 and 2016 elections? If repeal happens and then voters don't like it, they should (and probably will) blame themselves before blaming the GOP. The GOP is just doing what they promised their constituents.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NFUN 07/28/17 12:49:03 AM #476:	red sox 777 posted... Nobody cares that he owns 3 houses, especially if they're in good, virtuous, places like Vermont (as opposed to bad places like big cities). Are there people who would get angry about free college? Yes, but not enough to cost him the election. I maintain that the people who are the most responsible for Trump being president are the people who voted for Hillary in the primary. Perhaps it's not really fair to assign them more agency than other voters, but then, most of them said that Bernie was way better than Trump in their eyes, so I don't think it's that unfair. No. The people most responsible for Trump being president are the people who fucking voted for Trump. --- Thus is our treaty written, thus is our agreement made. Thought is the arrow of time; memory never fades. What was asked is given; the price is paid. ARF <cite>NFUN posted [p:883736256] in Politics C... [t:75607094]...</cite> <quote><cite>red sox 777 posted...</cite> <quote>Nobody cares that he owns 3 houses, especially if they're in good, virtuous, places like Vermont (as opposed to bad places like big cities). Are there people who would get angry about free college? Yes, but not enough to cost him the election. I maintain that the people who are the most responsible for Trump being president are the people who voted for Hillary in the primary. Perhaps it's not really fair to assign them more agency than other voters, but then, most of them said that Bernie was way better than Trump in their eyes, so I don't think it's that unfair.</quote> No. The people most responsible for Trump being president are the people who fucking voted for Trump.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
xp1337 07/28/17 12:49:29 AM #477:	red sox 777 posted... Voters do support repeal. Did you not see the 2010, 2014 and 2016 elections? That's a rather presumptuous statement. You can think of no other reasons one could vote for the Republicans for? none at all? they are literally a single issue party? --- xp1337: Don't you wish there was a spell-checker that told you when you a word out? <cite>xp1337 posted [p:883736276] in Politics C... [t:75607094]...</cite> <quote><cite>red sox 777 posted...</cite> <quote>Voters do support repeal. Did you not see the 2010, 2014 and 2016 elections?</quote> That's a rather presumptuous statement. You can think of no other reasons one could vote for the Republicans for? none at all? they are literally a single issue party?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordoftheMorons 07/28/17 12:50:43 AM #478:	red sox 777 posted... Voters do support repeal. Did you not see the 2010, 2014 and 2016 elections? They support(ed) repeal in the abstract, when they were free to imagine that the GOP had a magical better plan All specific GOP repeal plans poll significantly worse than the ACA --- Congrats to BKSheikah for winning the BYIG Guru Challenge! <cite>LordoftheMorons posted [p:883736328] in Politics C... [t:75607094]...</cite> <quote><cite>red sox 777 posted...</cite> <quote>Voters do support repeal. Did you not see the 2010, 2014 and 2016 elections?</quote> They support(ed) repeal in the abstract, when they were free to imagine that the GOP had a magical better plan All specific GOP repeal plans poll significantly worse than the ACA</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dancedreamer 07/28/17 12:50:43 AM #479:	red sox 777 posted... If repeal happens and then voters don't like it, they should (and probably will) blame themselves before blaming the GOP. The GOP is just doing what they promised their constituents. Voters put Obama and the Democrats in the position to put Obamacare in place in the first place. --- This isn't funny Dean, the voice says I'm almost out of minutes! ~Alexandra <cite>Dancedreamer posted [p:883736329] in Politics C... [t:75607094]...</cite> <quote><cite>red sox 777 posted...</cite> <quote>If repeal happens and then voters don't like it, they should (and probably will) blame themselves before blaming the GOP. The GOP is just doing what they promised their constituents. </quote> Voters put Obama and the Democrats in the position to put Obamacare in place in the first place.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red sox 777 07/28/17 12:50:48 AM #480:	This is the one issue tying together the 2010, 2014 and 2016 elections. Each of them had other issues, but Obamacare is the one issue that has consistently energized the right for the last 7 years. --- September 1, 2003; November 4, 2007; September 2, 2013 Congratulations to DP Oblivion in the Guru Contest! <cite>red sox 777 posted [p:883736332] in Politics C... [t:75607094]...</cite> <quote>This is the one issue tying together the 2010, 2014 and 2016 elections. Each of them had other issues, but Obamacare is the one issue that has consistently energized the right for the last 7 years.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRock1525 07/28/17 12:50:59 AM #481:	Republicans lost seats in 2016. --- TheRock ~ I had a name, my father called me Blues. <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:883736345] in Politics C... [t:75607094]...</cite> <quote>Republicans lost seats in 2016.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NFUN 07/28/17 12:51:17 AM #482:	xp1337 posted... red sox 777 posted... Voters do support repeal. Did you not see the 2010, 2014 and 2016 elections? That's a rather presumptuous statement. You can think of no other reasons one could vote for the Republicans for? none at all? they are literally a single issue party? clearly that they only voted for republicans because they hate obamacare. thats why the person whose name is attached to the colloquialism got reelected --- Thus is our treaty written, thus is our agreement made. Thought is the arrow of time; memory never fades. What was asked is given; the price is paid. ARF <cite>NFUN posted [p:883736354] in Politics C... [t:75607094]...</cite> <quote><cite>xp1337 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>red sox 777 posted...</cite> <quote>Voters do support repeal. Did you not see the 2010, 2014 and 2016 elections?</quote> That's a rather presumptuous statement. You can think of no other reasons one could vote for the Republicans for? none at all? they are literally a single issue party?</quote> clearly that they only voted for republicans because they hate obamacare. thats why the person whose name is attached to the colloquialism got reelected</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
velocycloraptor 07/28/17 12:51:31 AM #483:	the GOP voter believes that people should be free to own as much as they want and would not hold having three houses against him (one was bought literally within the past couple years and one is a tiny fucking cabin - and he is one of the poorest members of congress) and the Dem voter sure isn't gonna think Bernie is more opulent than Donald fucking Trump (or Hillary for that matter). That line of attack is total horseshit. <cite>velocycloraptor posted [p:883736363] in Politics C... [t:75607094]...</cite> <quote>the GOP voter believes that people should be free to own as much as they want and would not hold having three houses against him (one was bought literally within the past couple years and one is a tiny fucking cabin - and he is one of the poorest members of congress) and the Dem voter sure isn't gonna think Bernie is more opulent than Donald fucking Trump (or Hillary for that matter). That line of attack is total horseshit.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
xp1337 07/28/17 12:52:26 AM #484:	welp i'm out i've hit my limit here --- xp1337: Don't you wish there was a spell-checker that told you when you a word out? <cite>xp1337 posted [p:883736410] in Politics C... [t:75607094]...</cite> <quote>welp i'm out i've hit my limit here</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordoftheMorons 07/28/17 12:53:04 AM #485:	velocycloraptor posted... the GOP voter believes that people should be free to own as much as they want and would not hold having three houses against him (one was bought literally within the past couple years and one is a tiny fucking cabin - and he is one of the poorest members of congress) and the Dem voter sure isn't gonna think Bernie is more opulent than Donald fucking Trump. That line of attack is total horseshit. Well apparently a lot of voters though Hillary Clinton was more corrupt than Donald fucking Trump, which was also total horseshit. --- Congrats to BKSheikah for winning the BYIG Guru Challenge! <cite>LordoftheMorons posted [p:883736438] in Politics C... [t:75607094]...</cite> <quote><cite>velocycloraptor posted...</cite> <quote>the GOP voter believes that people should be free to own as much as they want and would not hold having three houses against him (one was bought literally within the past couple years and one is a tiny fucking cabin - and he is one of the poorest members of congress) and the Dem voter sure isn't gonna think Bernie is more opulent than Donald fucking Trump. That line of attack is total horseshit.</quote> Well apparently a lot of voters though Hillary Clinton was more corrupt than Donald fucking Trump, which was also total horseshit.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dancedreamer 07/28/17 12:54:14 AM #486:	Also Donald Trump shouted that he had a tremendous plan. A great plan. A plan that would lower healthcare costs and cover everyone. (Apparently with dirt.) ...And then he didn't have a plan. Republicans came up with a worse plan. I bet if Americans had seen their plan before the election, Republicans wouldn't have done as well. Which is probably why they've wanted to keep this all secret. And it's why Donald kept all his plans secret. He just told everyone they were great. They believed him because the average person isn't smart enough to understand that being a political outsider doesn't mean you aren't as much of a lying scuzbag as normal politicians. (Which is probably why we'll have more celebrity presidents in our future. Katy Perry 2020) --- This isn't funny Dean, the voice says I'm almost out of minutes! ~Alexandra <cite>Dancedreamer posted [p:883736492] in Politics C... [t:75607094]...</cite> <quote>Also Donald Trump shouted that he had a tremendous plan. A great plan. A plan that would lower healthcare costs and cover everyone. (Apparently with dirt.) ...And then he didn't have a plan. Republicans came up with a worse plan. I bet if Americans had seen their plan before the election, Republicans wouldn't have done as well. Which is probably why they've wanted to keep this all secret. And it's why Donald kept all his plans secret. He just told everyone they were great. They believed him because the average person isn't smart enough to understand that being a political outsider doesn't mean you aren't as much of a lying scuzbag as normal politicians. (Which is probably why we'll have more celebrity presidents in our future. Katy Perry 2020)</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red sox 777 07/28/17 12:55:35 AM #487:	Dancedreamer posted... red sox 777 posted... If repeal happens and then voters don't like it, they should (and probably will) blame themselves before blaming the GOP. The GOP is just doing what they promised their constituents. Voters put Obama and the Democrats in the position to put Obamacare in place in the first place. 2008 was genuinely an election where healthcare was not the top issue, or even close. This was right in the middle of the worst financial crash since 1929. Democrats misread their mandate and got punished right away in 2010. They support(ed) repeal in the abstract, when they were free to imagine that the GOP had a magical better plan I would hold them to a higher standard than that. If you didn't think straight repeal without replacement was an improvement on the ACA, then you shouldn't have voted for the GOP when they absolutely refused to give any information regarding what their replacement plan was, before the election. I don't think the voters are that stupid (yeah, this is the "voters can do no wrong" presumption), so presume that they favor(ed) straight repeal, no strings attached. --- September 1, 2003; November 4, 2007; September 2, 2013 Congratulations to DP Oblivion in the Guru Contest! <cite>red sox 777 posted [p:883736543] in Politics C... [t:75607094]...</cite> <quote><cite>Dancedreamer posted...</cite> <quote><cite>red sox 777 posted...</cite> <quote>If repeal happens and then voters don't like it, they should (and probably will) blame themselves before blaming the GOP. The GOP is just doing what they promised their constituents. </quote> Voters put Obama and the Democrats in the position to put Obamacare in place in the first place.</quote> 2008 was genuinely an election where healthcare was not the top issue, or even close. This was right in the middle of the worst financial crash since 1929. Democrats misread their mandate and got punished right away in 2010. <quote>They support(ed) repeal in the abstract, when they were free to imagine that the GOP had a magical better plan</quote> I would hold them to a higher standard than that. If you didn't think straight repeal without replacement was an improvement on the ACA, then you shouldn't have voted for the GOP when they absolutely refused to give any information regarding what their replacement plan was, before the election. I don't think the voters are that stupid (yeah, this is the "voters can do no wrong" presumption), so presume that they favor(ed) straight repeal, no strings attached.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
velocycloraptor 07/28/17 12:55:58 AM #488:	LordoftheMorons posted... velocycloraptor posted... the GOP voter believes that people should be free to own as much as they want and would not hold having three houses against him (one was bought literally within the past couple years and one is a tiny fucking cabin - and he is one of the poorest members of congress) and the Dem voter sure isn't gonna think Bernie is more opulent than Donald fucking Trump. That line of attack is total horseshit. Well apparently a lot of voters though Hillary Clinton was more corrupt than Donald fucking Trump, which was also total horseshit. I don't know what you are basing this off of. They both had tons of stories about possible corruption. Hillary got more votes than him. She primarily lost because she failed to turn out votes that Obama did turn out, not because she lost voters who thought she was corrupt. <cite>velocycloraptor posted [p:883736563] in Politics C... [t:75607094]...</cite> <quote><cite>LordoftheMorons posted...</cite> <quote><cite>velocycloraptor posted...</cite> <quote>the GOP voter believes that people should be free to own as much as they want and would not hold having three houses against him (one was bought literally within the past couple years and one is a tiny fucking cabin - and he is one of the poorest members of congress) and the Dem voter sure isn't gonna think Bernie is more opulent than Donald fucking Trump. That line of attack is total horseshit.</quote> Well apparently a lot of voters though Hillary Clinton was more corrupt than Donald fucking Trump, which was also total horseshit.</quote> I don't know what you are basing this off of. They both had tons of stories about possible corruption. Hillary got more votes than him. She primarily lost because she failed to turn out votes that Obama did turn out, not because she lost voters who thought she was corrupt.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Mana Sword 07/28/17 12:56:00 AM #489:	sounding like they might not actually have the votes? --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/Gylgamesh501.png <cite>The Mana Sword posted [p:883736564] in Politics C... [t:75607094]...</cite> <quote>sounding like they might not actually have the votes?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
xp1337 07/28/17 12:57:33 AM #490:	The Mana Sword posted... sounding like they might not actually have the votes? yeah i lied i'm back now because i saw this what the --- xp1337: Don't you wish there was a spell-checker that told you when you a word out? <cite>xp1337 posted [p:883736636] in Politics C... [t:75607094]...</cite> <quote><cite>The Mana Sword posted...</cite> <quote>sounding like they might not actually have the votes?</quote> yeah i lied i'm back now because i saw this what the</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRock1525 07/28/17 12:58:12 AM #491:	The Mana Sword posted... sounding like they might not actually have the votes? Rob_the_Ninja posted... Every senator has voted. They have not closed the vote because they don't have the votes for skinny repeal and are trying to wrangle them. https://twitter.com/brianbeutler/status/890796407535185921 --- TheRock ~ I had a name, my father called me Blues. <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:883736664] in Politics C... [t:75607094]...</cite> <quote><cite>The Mana Sword posted...</cite> <quote>sounding like they might not actually have the votes?</quote> <cite>Rob_the_Ninja posted...</cite> <quote><quote>Every senator has voted. They have not closed the vote because they don't have the votes for skinny repeal and are trying to wrangle them.</quote>https://twitter.com/brianbeutler/status/890796407535185921</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordoftheMorons 07/28/17 12:59:12 AM #492:	https://twitter.com/StevenTDennis/status/890797940528234498 If McCain really is the one to stop this thing then I'm looking pretty good for giving him the benefit of the doubt earlier in the week...! --- Congrats to BKSheikah for winning the BYIG Guru Challenge! <cite>LordoftheMorons posted [p:883736710] in Politics C... [t:75607094]...</cite> <quote>https://twitter.com/StevenTDennis/status/890797940528234498 If McCain really is the one to stop this thing then I'm looking pretty good for giving him the benefit of the doubt earlier in the week...!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red sox 777 07/28/17 12:59:12 AM #493:	Donald Trump never did anything that was seen as quite as bad as Hillary getting paid $225k to give speeches to Wall Street banks. Maybe $225k is not a lot of money to Donald Trump, but it is to the average voter, and just sounds absolutely obscene for something that looks as short and simple as giving one speech. It's incredibly tangible, in a way that Trump's business deals aren't. --- September 1, 2003; November 4, 2007; September 2, 2013 Congratulations to DP Oblivion in the Guru Contest! <cite>red sox 777 posted [p:883736711] in Politics C... [t:75607094]...</cite> <quote>Donald Trump never did anything that was seen as quite as bad as Hillary getting paid $225k to give speeches to Wall Street banks. Maybe $225k is not a lot of money to Donald Trump, but it is to the average voter, and just sounds absolutely obscene for something that looks as short and simple as giving one speech. It's incredibly tangible, in a way that Trump's business deals aren't.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Not_an_Owl 07/28/17 12:59:53 AM #494:	lol did they seriously bring pence out to the capital when they didn't even have the votes where's that one song from hamilton --- Besides, marijuana is far more harmful than steroids. - BlitzBomb I headbang to Bruckner. <cite>Not_an_Owl posted [p:883736733] in Politics C... [t:75607094]...</cite> <quote>lol did they seriously bring pence out to the capital when they didn't even have the votes where's that one song from hamilton</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dancedreamer 07/28/17 12:59:59 AM #495:	velocycloraptor posted... the GOP voter believes that people should be free to own as much as they want and would not hold having three houses against him (one was bought literally within the past couple years and one is a tiny fucking cabin - and he is one of the poorest members of congress) and the Dem voter sure isn't gonna think Bernie is more opulent than Donald fucking Trump (or Hillary for that matter). That line of attack is total horseshit. Sure they'd hold it against him. I saw many Republicans attacking him over it when it looked like he didn't stand a shot at getting the nomination. You act like they are principled about their beliefs when they are not. Just look at how they attacked Obama for golfing, and how they ignore Trump golfing way more than Obama ever did. It wasn't about Golf, it was about Obama. They'd attack him over paying just a 13% tax rate when he wants to raise taxes. They'd say to people "See, he's not really one of you! He just pretends to be!" They'd point out how he's a career politician, while Trump is not. Trump is a businessman. He knows how to get things done. --- This isn't funny Dean, the voice says I'm almost out of minutes! ~Alexandra <cite>Dancedreamer posted [p:883736736] in Politics C... [t:75607094]...</cite> <quote><cite>velocycloraptor posted...</cite> <quote>the GOP voter believes that people should be free to own as much as they want and would not hold having three houses against him (one was bought literally within the past couple years and one is a tiny fucking cabin - and he is one of the poorest members of congress) and the Dem voter sure isn't gonna think Bernie is more opulent than Donald fucking Trump (or Hillary for that matter). That line of attack is total horseshit. </quote> Sure they'd hold it against him. I saw many Republicans attacking him over it when it looked like he didn't stand a shot at getting the nomination. You act like they are principled about their beliefs when they are not. Just look at how they attacked Obama for golfing, and how they ignore Trump golfing way more than Obama ever did. It wasn't about Golf, it was about Obama. They'd attack him over paying just a 13% tax rate when he wants to raise taxes. They'd say to people "See, he's not really one of you! He just pretends to be!" They'd point out how he's a career politician, while Trump is not. Trump is a businessman. He knows how to get things done.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRock1525 07/28/17 1:00:13 AM #496:	LordoftheMorons posted... https://twitter.com/StevenTDennis/status/890797940528234498 If McCain really is the one to stop this thing then I'm looking pretty good for giving him the benefit of the doubt earlier in the week...! Pence is trying to flip McCain apparently. --- TheRock ~ I had a name, my father called me Blues. <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:883736750] in Politics C... [t:75607094]...</cite> <quote><cite>LordoftheMorons posted...</cite> <quote>https://twitter.com/StevenTDennis/status/890797940528234498 If McCain really is the one to stop this thing then I'm looking pretty good for giving him the benefit of the doubt earlier in the week...!</quote> Pence is trying to flip McCain apparently.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
xp1337 07/28/17 1:01:03 AM #497:	how long is the clock for this? is there a clock? --- xp1337: Don't you wish there was a spell-checker that told you when you a word out? <cite>xp1337 posted [p:883736778] in Politics C... [t:75607094]...</cite> <quote>how long is the clock for this? is there a clock?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Not_an_Owl 07/28/17 1:01:09 AM #498:	red sox 777 posted... Donald Trump never did anything that was seen as quite as bad as Hillary getting paid $225k to give speeches to Wall Street banks. Okay you aren't worth taking seriously. --- Besides, marijuana is far more harmful than steroids. - BlitzBomb I headbang to Bruckner. <cite>Not_an_Owl posted [p:883736787] in Politics C... [t:75607094]...</cite> <quote><cite>red sox 777 posted...</cite> <quote>Donald Trump never did anything that was seen as quite as bad as Hillary getting paid $225k to give speeches to Wall Street banks. </quote> Okay you aren't worth taking seriously.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordoftheMorons 07/28/17 1:01:14 AM #499:	No clock --- Congrats to BKSheikah for winning the BYIG Guru Challenge! <cite>LordoftheMorons posted [p:883736793] in Politics C... [t:75607094]...</cite> <quote>No clock</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
velocycloraptor 07/28/17 1:02:27 AM #500:	Dancedreamer posted... velocycloraptor posted... the GOP voter believes that people should be free to own as much as they want and would not hold having three houses against him (one was bought literally within the past couple years and one is a tiny fucking cabin - and he is one of the poorest members of congress) and the Dem voter sure isn't gonna think Bernie is more opulent than Donald fucking Trump (or Hillary for that matter). That line of attack is total horseshit. Sure they'd hold it against him. I saw many Republicans attacking him over it when it looked like he didn't stand a shot at getting the nomination. You act like they are principled about their beliefs when they are not. Just look at how they attacked Obama for golfing, and how they ignore Trump golfing way more than Obama ever did. It wasn't about Golf, it was about Obama. They'd attack him over paying just a 13% tax rate when he wants to raise taxes. They'd say to people "See, he's not really one of you! He just pretends to be!" They'd point out how he's a career politician, while Trump is not. Trump is a businessman. He knows how to get things done. those attacks are fox news filler bs, its throwing meat to the audience of drones... anyone who responds to that stuff isn't voting dem in the first place. you know that an overwhelming majority of voters do not even watch cable news at all, right? people fucking hate the media exactly for that kind of bullshit. <cite>velocycloraptor posted [p:883736843] in Politics C... [t:75607094]...</cite> <quote><cite>Dancedreamer posted...</cite> <quote><cite>velocycloraptor posted...</cite> <quote>the GOP voter believes that people should be free to own as much as they want and would not hold having three houses against him (one was bought literally within the past couple years and one is a tiny fucking cabin - and he is one of the poorest members of congress) and the Dem voter sure isn't gonna think Bernie is more opulent than Donald fucking Trump (or Hillary for that matter). That line of attack is total horseshit. </quote> Sure they'd hold it against him. I saw many Republicans attacking him over it when it looked like he didn't stand a shot at getting the nomination. You act like they are principled about their beliefs when they are not. Just look at how they attacked Obama for golfing, and how they ignore Trump golfing way more than Obama ever did. It wasn't about Golf, it was about Obama. They'd attack him over paying just a 13% tax rate when he wants to raise taxes. They'd say to people "See, he's not really one of you! He just pretends to be!" They'd point out how he's a career politician, while Trump is not. Trump is a businessman. He knows how to get things done.</quote> those attacks are fox news filler bs, its throwing meat to the audience of drones... anyone who responds to that stuff isn't voting dem in the first place. you know that an overwhelming majority of voters do not even watch cable news at all, right? people fucking hate the media exactly for that kind of bullshit.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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