Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 109: CNN is now TWMGNN

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Mega Mana
07/05/17 9:28:08 PM
#352:


The only way to win is to not play the game.
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LordoftheMorons
07/05/17 9:32:27 PM
#353:


Mega Mana posted...
So, again, anything going on worth talking about? Hobby Lobby is super scummy. Trump's preparing for Putin with tweet-sized memos since his staff are desperate to get Trump to act like a ****ing adult and they have to resort to this bull****. North Korea has an ICBM that can attack us. There's France and Germany and Italy talks today/soon/I don't know because the last two topics are about a wrestling gif and not even a good one.

I brought up half of those things, but they didn't get any response!
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Wanglicious
07/05/17 9:32:48 PM
#354:


xp1337 posted...
Tangential question (because anything would be better than... this): What is the legal precedent, if any, with regards to expectation of privacy in regards to internet forums?

In general, I think most people expect it, but I'm not sure where courts have ruled.


to further what FFD said, just bear in mind that what he pointed out was towards chat rooms and open forums. current system where PMs, DMs, etc are a thing do allow for some expectation of privacy in them. though most of this discussion goes around law enforcement, what it takes for a warrant, etc, and i'm not sure if that's where you're going with this.
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xp1337
07/05/17 9:35:07 PM
#355:


Wanglicious posted...
and i'm not sure if that's where you're going with this.

I was actually just genuinely curious.
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TheRock1525
07/05/17 9:35:52 PM
#356:


When you Google blackmail, both definitions involve a demand for money.

It's entirely possible that CNN literally didn't commit blackmail if for no other reason than they didn't demand any money.

Boom. Roasted.
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FFDragon
07/05/17 9:38:12 PM
#357:


That would be where coercion comes in.

But they didn't do that either.
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kevwaffles
07/05/17 9:38:18 PM
#358:


TheRock1525 posted...
When you Google blackmail, both definitions involve a demand for money.

It's entirely possible that CNN literally didn't commit blackmail if for no other reason than they didn't demand any money.

Boom. Roasted.

Extortion is for money. Blackmail is for a demand of some sort. Could be money, could not be.

https://criminal-law.freeadvice.com/criminal-law/white_collar_crimes/extortion_blackmail.htm

Edit: Nevermind my interpretation, but it's not necessarily specifically money, though it'd make it much more cut and dry when you can quantify it, probably.
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Wanglicious
07/05/17 9:41:26 PM
#359:


xp1337 posted...
Another tangential question: If not the media, who decides what rises to the level of public interest? And how do they do so? Is there an empirical test?


that is indeed something that media decides, though at this point "media" can be used loosely since we're in a weird transition where defining "media" isn't just CNN and Fox, it's also a couple thousand youtubers, comedy shows, and people on twitter. as for how the answer is pretty much "they just cover it."

if something is covered, gets good attention, and can be parsed in a couple minutes tops, others will cover it too. if it's a convoluted mess, coverage will become more limited. that second question is basically "the way you deal with people in sales" for an answer.


as for the third... not really? i mean if a story is ripe then sure you cover it but it'll be you and many others. you can also carve out your niche for certain news, if there's a hole needing to be filled, one guy can come in and monopolize it. but a sort of "if we do things THIS way we'll always break out the best story!" is... not really there. you can run a certain schedule of content, analyze what's gained the most hits, and work from that but it's basically a lot of throwing shit at a wall and working with what you got, provided not too many sponsors pull if you're edging that corner.
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TheRock1525
07/05/17 9:41:38 PM
#360:


kevwaffles posted...
TheRock1525 posted...
When you Google blackmail, both definitions involve a demand for money.

It's entirely possible that CNN literally didn't commit blackmail if for no other reason than they didn't demand any money.

Boom. Roasted.

Extortion is for money. Blackmail is for a demand of some sort. Could be money, could not be.

https://criminal-law.freeadvice.com/criminal-law/white_collar_crimes/extortion_blackmail.htm


The offense of blackmail is created by 18 U.S.C. § 873 which provides:

"Whoever, under a threat of informing, or as a consideration for not informing, against any violation of any law of the United States, demands or receives any money or other valuable thing, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than one year, or both"
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Wanglicious
07/05/17 9:43:34 PM
#361:


"or other valuable thing," pebbles.
i mean coercion probably is the correct term to use but blackmail's got a stronger punch to it.
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TheRock1525
07/05/17 9:44:24 PM
#362:


Should have been #CoercioNN
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xp1337
07/05/17 9:48:09 PM
#363:


Eh, nevermind, I don't feel like setting up a bunch of questions to define the parameters of this. I'll skip to where I was going with this (and undercut myself by doing this)

My take on this situation (admittedly I have not followed it much at all because why is this a story)

1. CNN determines that Trump tweeting that gif is a story <- If you want to fault CNN it is probably here
1a. In their defense, it is actually an official statement by the President
1b. On the other hand oh my god why.

2. Someone claims to be the one who creates said gif

3. CNN, because they have determined this is a story, learns of this and follows-up.
3a. God this feels like such a waste of time and resources
3b. But I mean, if they actually believe this is a story, this is standard journalism I guess.

4. ???

5. No seriously, what the hell are we talking about.

If Step 2 did not exist, I'd be a lot more receptive to the idea that CNN was "out of line" or something because that would be a weird amount of interest on their part. But even then I'm not sure they'd actually be doing anything wrong it'd just be kind of creepy how thorough they were investigating a gif.

It sounds like they've bungled their own PR afterwards but at that point we're talking about OPTICS and not substance so like... why do we care?
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Mega Mana
07/05/17 9:53:19 PM
#364:


This entire ****ty thing is about optics.
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xp1337
07/05/17 9:57:31 PM
#365:


Mega Mana posted...
This entire ****ty thing is about optics.

xp1337 posted...
so like... why do we care?

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GuessMyUserName
07/05/17 9:57:53 PM
#366:


5. CNN goes on TV to tell the world of their blackmail arrangement!!!!!
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Mega Mana
07/05/17 9:58:46 PM
#367:


xp1337 posted...
Mega Mana posted...
This entire ****ty thing is about optics.

xp1337 posted...
so like... why do we care?


*shrug*
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Jakyl25
07/05/17 10:11:52 PM
#368:


http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/05/politics/trump-salary-antietam/index.html

Hey, props to Trump for following through on this promise. I'm legitimately impressed.
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SgtSphynx
07/05/17 10:15:00 PM
#369:


I am legit surprised he followed through with that. Good on him.
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TheRock1525
07/05/17 10:15:50 PM
#370:


Jakyl25 posted...
http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/05/politics/trump-salary-antietam/index.html

Hey, props to Trump for following through on this promise. I'm legitimately impressed.


But it's on CNN so it didn't actually happen since it's fake news.
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FFDragon
07/05/17 10:16:35 PM
#371:


See, this is a good Trump thing!
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Seginustemple
07/05/17 10:16:44 PM
#372:


Seems like a pittance considering he's planning on cutting the DoI budget by 1.5 billion
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Eddv
07/05/17 10:30:35 PM
#373:


Seginustemple posted...
Seems like a pittance considering he's planning on cutting the DoI budget by 1.5 billion


It is. Hes cutting the budget - but at least the good national parks like antietam will. Still get funding
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GuessMyUserName
07/05/17 10:40:57 PM
#374:


typical b8 librulls trump could cure cancer and y'all would be painting him as the devil
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scarletspeed7
07/05/17 10:41:42 PM
#375:


A full topic's worth of this.
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TheRock1525
07/05/17 10:44:10 PM
#376:


Meanwhile on Fox News they're talking about how they should press criminal charges against Kathy Griffin.

*shrug*
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Reg
07/05/17 11:10:18 PM
#377:


GuessMyUserName posted...
typical b8 librulls trump could cure cancer and y'all would be painting him as the devil

I know you're just joking, but can you not imitate the "debate" techniques of somebody who only knows how to gaslight and project? Leaves a bad taste imo.
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ChaosTonyV4
07/05/17 11:10:22 PM
#378:


Jakyl25 posted...
http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/05/politics/trump-salary-antietam/index.html

Hey, props to Trump for following through on this promise. I'm legitimately impressed.


Honestly why?

He's made more money from the Secret Service being forced to use his properties than the entirety of his paycheck 4 times over.

It's a horrendously transparent PR stunt and people are just eating it up.
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ImTheMacheteGuy
07/05/17 11:29:49 PM
#379:


Tonight, I had a moderation overturned from this topic series.

This is significant.
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ImTheMacheteGuy
07/05/17 11:31:18 PM
#380:


TheRock1525 posted...
Meanwhile on Fox News they're talking about how they should press criminal charges against Kathy Griffin.

*shrug*


I think Hillary could use a new cellmate, so this is promising.
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SupremeZero
07/05/17 11:37:28 PM
#381:


Wang, if I wake up tomorrow morning, and find that this conversation has ended, I will be highly disappointed in you and consider you to not be Wang anymore.
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ChaosTonyV4
07/05/17 11:50:11 PM
#382:


ImTheMacheteGuy posted...
Tonight, I had a moderation overturned from this topic series.

This is significant.


I just got a totally BS 3KL moderation from this topic series denied by a Lead Moderator, so I don't believe you.
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scarletspeed7
07/06/17 12:07:25 AM
#383:


Ooo ooo tell us roughly what got modded.
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Wanglicious
07/06/17 12:12:33 AM
#384:


SupremeZero posted...
Wang, if I wake up tomorrow morning, and find that this conversation has ended, I will be highly disappointed in you and consider you to not be Wang anymore.


well hey if it gets brought up i'll have no prob going at it again. but i make no promises.
and i doubt the story is actually over come tomorrow anyway. CNN hasn't written an article crying their own victimhood yet, i think.
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ImTheMacheteGuy
07/06/17 12:16:23 AM
#385:


scarletspeed7 posted...
Ooo ooo tell us roughly what got modded.


made a joke about ulti not reading an article (there was no article posted around that time. I was just following the "ulti no read" meme)

I had to explain my intentions because people thought I legit asking ulti if he had read an article. Following the meme, I posted that I was just trolling ulti

nkl for trolling.

contested: "just posting a meme. please look into it more"

mod: "I looked into it more. You're right, I see the meme, but be careful in the future. Stuff like this is dangerous." (mad props to this mod for actually looking into it. That is rare, so I am impressed)

(original post was in the previous politics topic, and I did specifically use the word trolling, so that was probably ill advised on my part)
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HaRRicH
07/06/17 12:42:49 AM
#386:


TheRock1525 posted...
Meanwhile on Fox News they're talking about how they should press criminal charges against Kathy Griffin.

*shrug*


This is a good point:

Comedian accused of inciting violence against the President: fire her from CNN, threaten charges.

President accused of inciting violence against CNN: it's comedy, nobody's fired or charged.
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HaRRicH
07/06/17 12:46:19 AM
#387:


Jakyl25 posted...
http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/05/politics/trump-salary-antietam/index.html

Hey, props to Trump for following through on this promise. I'm legitimately impressed.


I didn't think he would do this either. How's the next year's budget look here in comparison to Donald's personal donation? That'll better inform my opinion.
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Skyridge87
07/06/17 1:06:32 AM
#388:


Remember when I said I wish we would talk about literally anything else?
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Wanglicious
07/06/17 1:27:05 AM
#389:


nobody ever stopped ya.
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scarletspeed7
07/06/17 1:30:32 AM
#390:


So I heard Ted Cruz was a British reptile.
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ChaosTonyV4
07/06/17 1:36:02 AM
#391:


scarletspeed7 posted...
Ooo ooo tell us roughly what got modded.


https://www.google.com/amp/thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/338391-georgia-gop-chairman-shooting-will-win-us-the-special-election%3Famp

I said congratulations after this happened.

In my contest form I even linked this article and a quote from it in case they were too lazy.

But apparently facetiously congratulating a dead attacker is offensive.

Edit: Actually coincidentally you told me it was too far, IIRC? lol
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scarletspeed7
07/06/17 1:41:27 AM
#392:


I think I did actually say that was in poor taste actually. Random.
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Corrik
07/06/17 4:47:57 AM
#393:


HaRRicH posted...
TheRock1525 posted...
Meanwhile on Fox News they're talking about how they should press criminal charges against Kathy Griffin.

*shrug*


This is a good point:

Comedian accused of inciting violence against the President: fire her from CNN, threaten charges.

President accused of inciting violence against CNN: it's comedy, nobody's fired or charged.

When did he incite violence against CNN?
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UItimaterializer
07/06/17 5:53:52 AM
#394:


Is it really true CNN attacked the wrong user? What kind of research department do they have?

Criminal charges against someone holding up a decpitated effigy of the president is fair game. They should have done this with the people lynching effigies of Obama, because the first amendment does not cover fighting words or calls to violence.
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Peace___Frog
07/06/17 6:07:21 AM
#395:


Your lack of thinking skills continues to astound. Alas, poor snorick.
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Wanglicious
07/06/17 11:15:21 AM
#396:


UItimaterializer posted...
Is it really true CNN attacked the wrong user? What kind of research department do they have?


literally buzzfeed's old one.
and it was buzzfeed's newer one that revealed that.

said it earlier in topic but that's a half truth. this guy made the GIF but that's all he did. somebody else took it, cropped it, edited other aspects of it, and added audio to it.

i mean it's that or somebody else in trump's meme team thought "hey that's a good one" and proceeded to recreate it. which is equally possible since if you're going into that much effort already it's easy to just torrent the episode of raw and do the shit edit yourself.
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HaRRicH
07/06/17 11:36:15 AM
#397:


Corrik posted...
HaRRicH posted...
Comedian accused of inciting violence against the President: fire her from CNN, threaten charges.

President accused of inciting violence against CNN: it's comedy, nobody's fired or charged.

When did he incite violence against CNN?


Somewhere between the clothesline-to-pummel combo of Donald punching CNN and the slow-motion replay for the clothesline-to-pummel combo of Donald punching CNN.

To me, neither Kathy nor Donald were inciting violence quite as much as irresponsibly joking...but I don't see why Kathy catches all hell as a comedian while Donald comes away okay and probably breaks Twitter records. What's so different between their jokes here?
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charmander6000
07/06/17 11:40:38 AM
#398:


The biggest difference is that CNN isn't a person and wasn't "killed" in that gif.

There are different degrees of violence and it isn't hard to understand that Kathy "crossed the line" for more people than Donald.
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FFDragon
07/06/17 11:41:03 AM
#399:


http://www.courant.com/breaking-news/hc-west-hartford-trump-morely-school-steven-marks-20170705-story.html

why are people so dumb
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Mr Lasastryke
07/06/17 11:41:35 AM
#400:


hey, at least donald didn't kill the CNN guy in the gif. he just did some pro wrestling move on him.

IRL it's already seen as MANLY MANLINESS when a politician attacks a journalist, so...
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SmartMuffin
07/06/17 11:42:22 AM
#401:


To me, neither Kathy nor Donald were inciting violence quite as much as irresponsibly joking...but I don't see why Kathy catches all hell as a comedian while Donald comes away okay and probably breaks Twitter records. What's so different between their jokes here?

If there's no difference, then I propose the following:

You agree to let me do to you what Kathy pretended to do to Trump, and I agree to let you do to me what Trump pretended to do a corporate logo. Deal?
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