Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 108: Trump 3:16 says I just trolled your ass

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Corrik
07/03/17 10:17:08 AM
#102:


DoomTheGyarados posted...
I have heard "We're in talks with Italy" btw.

So that's fine.

It is normal talk. But, you know Trump said it so gotta find a way to criticize. Just lol
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DoomTheGyarados
07/03/17 10:17:54 AM
#103:


Shorthand for "I am going to talk with the government officials that represent Italy"

Or

"Italy"
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Mr Lasastryke
07/03/17 10:18:14 AM
#104:


Corrik posted...
It is normal talk. But, you know Trump said it so gotta find a way to criticize. Just lol


try reading my posts.
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SupremeZero
07/03/17 10:18:49 AM
#105:


How about "I'm talking with Gentiloni"
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DoomTheGyarados
07/03/17 10:20:35 AM
#106:


Sure, that works too. But people talk about the country's themselves in this a lot, even if it is less formal.
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Corrik
07/03/17 10:24:17 AM
#107:


Mr Lasastryke posted...
Corrik posted...
It is normal talk. But, you know Trump said it so gotta find a way to criticize. Just lol


try reading my posts.

I have read your posts for almost a year now. And I have seen how you have acted one way with Hillary and Obama and another way with Trump that clearly contradicts your actual stances in regards to both when compared to both. It would be almost shameful to go back to the earliest topics with clinton as your foregone winner and now.
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kevwaffles
07/03/17 10:26:45 AM
#108:


It's something you hear in fiction like House of Cards quite often, but usually when there isn't a major character associated with the country. With China they're in talks with China, whereas with Russia they're in talks with Petrov.
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Mr Lasastryke
07/03/17 10:27:22 AM
#109:


Corrik posted...
I have read your posts for almost a year now. And I have seen how you have acted one way with Hillary and Obama and another way with Trump that clearly contradicts your actual stances in regards to both when compared to both. It would be almost shameful to go back to the earliest topics with clinton as your foregone winner and now.


i dislike both obama and hillary.

nice try but no.
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Regaro
07/03/17 10:37:17 AM
#110:


https://www.forbes.com/sites/eriksherman/2017/06/26/how-much-is-a-dead-poor-person-worth-to-the-wealthy-3-million/#642c7b742a4e

So, assume the population won't go up and that the estimated number who will die is on the low end of the spectrum. The repeal or delay of taxes is expected to be $541 billion over ten years, or an average $54.1 billion a year. Divide that by 18,000 and you get about $3 million a person. Each person will be allowed to die so that taxes can decrease and that the wealthiest can collectively retain that much money.

That may seem harsh or inflammatory, but it isn't. This is an expression of what the United States historically has been and continues to be. As a country, we're at a point of defining in a life-and-death way our ultimate preferences. The GOP, pushing an agenda, looks to reduce coverage for the poor as a way to lower taxes on the rich. A foreseeable byproduct of reducing coverage is the death of many who otherwise wouldn't have died. What other conclusion is there but that each of those deaths is deemed acceptable because it enables $3 million more to be distributed among the wealthiest?

We as a country have made choices like this throughout our history. Slavery continued for centuries because there was a bottom-line benefit to a relatively small group of people. Initially, immigrants to what we now call the United States were considered disposable in the drive to make more money for those who had it. The potential for more money, and the lack of perceived worth of those sent over, made the many deaths acceptable.

We have been willing to intervene in politics of the Arab world and support tyrants for decades, helping set the stage for what we see overall today, because we wanted oil, which is liquid wealth.

Native Americans were pushed into ever smaller areas as our hot lust for land and resources outweighed our concern for human life and destiny. Many are willing to take even more today, potentially endangering water supplies for tribes, in the desire to set up oil and gas pipelines, often not for domestic needs, but to ship and sell overseas. To line the pockets of the wealthy with more money.

Outside of the unusual example of World War II, where there was a moral argument for fighting, wars for the U.S. are about trading young lives for the chance to control economic resources and to channel payments to those who make and sell arms.

Why pretend any longer? Our history and current practices prove that on a regular basis we sacrifice those without voices and without the resources to fight back — people considered dispensable by those with power who make decisions — so a few can make a buck. Why claim that healthcare policy has become anything different?


God fucking bless, a mainstream media outlet has actually said it. And it's even more disgusting to read coming from a place like Forbes (especially with how pro-business/money that magazine is in particular) than to hear it from random people or even think about it myself
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GuessMyUserName
07/03/17 10:39:17 AM
#111:


Yeahhh trying to pin down Lasa as a shill for dems is pretty off base if you've actually been reading his posts "for almost a year". He's the guy that views American politics from a non-American frame of reference.

Like that time he thought climate change was a bipartisan policy that Dems don't deserve any "points" for supporting!
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SupremeZero
07/03/17 10:40:30 AM
#112:


Regaro posted...
https://www.forbes.com/sites/eriksherman/2017/06/26/how-much-is-a-dead-poor-person-worth-to-the-wealthy-3-million/#642c7b742a4e

So, assume the population won't go up and that the estimated number who will die is on the low end of the spectrum. The repeal or delay of taxes is expected to be $541 billion over ten years, or an average $54.1 billion a year. Divide that by 18,000 and you get about $3 million a person. Each person will be allowed to die so that taxes can decrease and that the wealthiest can collectively retain that much money.

That may seem harsh or inflammatory, but it isn't. This is an expression of what the United States historically has been and continues to be. As a country, we're at a point of defining in a life-and-death way our ultimate preferences. The GOP, pushing an agenda, looks to reduce coverage for the poor as a way to lower taxes on the rich. A foreseeable byproduct of reducing coverage is the death of many who otherwise wouldn't have died. What other conclusion is there but that each of those deaths is deemed acceptable because it enables $3 million more to be distributed among the wealthiest?

We as a country have made choices like this throughout our history. Slavery continued for centuries because there was a bottom-line benefit to a relatively small group of people. Initially, immigrants to what we now call the United States were considered disposable in the drive to make more money for those who had it. The potential for more money, and the lack of perceived worth of those sent over, made the many deaths acceptable.

We have been willing to intervene in politics of the Arab world and support tyrants for decades, helping set the stage for what we see overall today, because we wanted oil, which is liquid wealth.

Native Americans were pushed into ever smaller areas as our hot lust for land and resources outweighed our concern for human life and destiny. Many are willing to take even more today, potentially endangering water supplies for tribes, in the desire to set up oil and gas pipelines, often not for domestic needs, but to ship and sell overseas. To line the pockets of the wealthy with more money.

Outside of the unusual example of World War II, where there was a moral argument for fighting, wars for the U.S. are about trading young lives for the chance to control economic resources and to channel payments to those who make and sell arms.

Why pretend any longer? Our history and current practices prove that on a regular basis we sacrifice those without voices and without the resources to fight back — people considered dispensable by those with power who make decisions — so a few can make a buck. Why claim that healthcare policy has become anything different?


God fucking bless, a mainstream media outlet has actually said it. And it's even more disgusting to read coming from a place like Forbes (especially with how pro-business/money that magazine is in particular) than to hear it from random people or even think about it myself

Actually, it coming from Forbes first might be good? Like, it being said starting from left Mainstream would get it shit on.
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Regaro
07/03/17 10:41:28 AM
#113:


GuessMyUserName posted...
Like that time he thought climate change was a bipartisan policy that Dems don't deserve any "points" for supporting!

tbf it should be. But some people would rather disregard scientific consensus and a legitimate threat to the future of the planet because it gets in the way of making a few extra bucks <_<
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Regaro
07/03/17 10:42:24 AM
#114:


SupremeZero posted...
Actually, it coming from Forbes first might be good? Like, it being said starting from left Mainstream would get it shit on.

I agree with what you're saying.

My point is that it coming from Forbes specifically really highlights how disgusting it is. It's so bad that even Forbes is saying this.
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GuessMyUserName
07/03/17 10:42:53 AM
#115:


SupremeZero posted...
Actually, it coming from Forbes first might be good? Like, it being said starting from left Mainstream would get it shit on.

I think that's what he means by more disgusting. Not them writing it being disgusting, but the situation / comments being worse as a whole coming from them.

*dammit ninjad*

Regaro posted...
GuessMyUserName posted...
Like that time he thought climate change was a bipartisan policy that Dems don't deserve any "points" for supporting!

tbf it should be. But some people would rather disregard scientific consensus and a legitimate threat to the future of the planet because it gets in the way of making a few extra bucks <_<

well of course it should be but unfortunately there is very much a "left" and "right" position on it in terms of American politics.

Can't speak for other parts of the world but it's the same in Canada really. Harper did whatever he could to silence climate scientists.
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Regaro
07/03/17 10:44:53 AM
#116:


To put it in board 8 terms, I view that article in the same way I would view us invading some African dictatorship and Seph condemning it.
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GuessMyUserName
07/03/17 10:50:42 AM
#117:


god damn the topic just made me check on the latest updates on CPC's climate positions

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2016/11/14/conservative-leadership-climate-change-debate-brad-trost-chong_n_12951160.html

Guy A: *I believe that climate change is a real threat and that we have to have a credible market-base conservative solution to reduce emissions"
*crowd boos*
Guy B: "I don't believe climate change is a real threat"
*crowd cheers*

*sigh*
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Nelson_Mandela
07/03/17 11:08:26 AM
#118:


Anyone from the UK able to comment on the Charlie Gard situation? Seems kind of nuts and basically is everything the right has been warning about socialized medicine.
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ChaosTonyV4
07/03/17 11:12:35 AM
#119:


Nelson_Mandela posted...
Anyone from the UK able to comment on the Charlie Gard situation? Seems kind of nuts and basically is everything the right has been warning about socialized medicine.


In what way?

Without socialized medicine the kid would have been dead long ago.
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Nelson_Mandela
07/03/17 11:19:44 AM
#120:


ChaosTonyV4 posted...
Nelson_Mandela posted...
Anyone from the UK able to comment on the Charlie Gard situation? Seems kind of nuts and basically is everything the right has been warning about socialized medicine.


In what way?

Without socialized medicine the kid would have been dead long ago.

In the way that is forbidding his parents from using private funds to seek clinical trials
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TheRock1525
07/03/17 11:29:20 AM
#121:


This seems like the UK equivalent of Terri Schiavo.
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Dancedreamer
07/03/17 11:35:54 AM
#122:


Wasn't it determined--even by the doctor offering the experimental treatment--that the experimental treatment would not improve Charlie Gard's quality of life?
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TheRock1525
07/03/17 11:44:19 AM
#123:


Also courts rule all the time "in the interest of the child" like during custody battles, so I'm not sure how this is any different.
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ImTheMacheteGuy
07/03/17 12:20:33 PM
#125:


TheRock1525 posted...
Also courts rule all the time "in the interest of the child" like during custody battles, so I'm not sure how this is any different.


It isn't. Nelson_Mandela is just being Nelson_Mandela for the sake of being Nelson_Mandela again.
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scarletspeed7
07/03/17 12:24:39 PM
#126:


Freaking Nelson Mandela.
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woodman
07/03/17 12:46:56 PM
#127:


yeah what's the deal I though Nelson_Mandela died in account prison years ago
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HaRRicH
07/03/17 1:10:18 PM
#128:


Morgan Freeman did a pretty good Nelson_Mandela in Invictus.
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scarletspeed7
07/03/17 1:24:23 PM
#129:


It's the Nelson_Mandela Effect.
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Nelson_Mandela
07/03/17 1:35:19 PM
#130:


TheRock1525 posted...
Also courts rule all the time "in the interest of the child" like during custody battles, so I'm not sure how this is any different.

The courts have imprisoned the baby in the hospital. The parents want to take him home to die if they can't get the treatment.
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Nelson_Mandela
07/03/17 1:36:06 PM
#131:


Dancedreamer posted...
Wasn't it determined--even by the doctor offering the experimental treatment--that the experimental treatment would not improve Charlie Gard's quality of life?

Yet physicians in the US do not agree. It has worked before.
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Nelson_Mandela
07/03/17 1:38:10 PM
#132:


http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/340513-trump-offers-help-for-critically-ill-british-child

This is dystopian. I honestly cannot fathom how anyone here is defending it.
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ImTheMacheteGuy
07/03/17 1:40:01 PM
#133:


Nelson_Mandela posted...
TheRock1525 posted...
Also courts rule all the time "in the interest of the child" like during custody battles, so I'm not sure how this is any different.

The courts have imprisoned the baby in the hospital. The parents want to take him home to die if they can't get the treatment.


Well at least they didn't imprison him in South Africa for decades though right?
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LapisLazuli
07/03/17 1:41:29 PM
#134:


Sad of Trump pretending to care to try and garner favor. He doesn't give a shit about that baby, just looking for political points. Shameful.
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-FFDragon-
07/03/17 1:43:35 PM
#135:


I'm all for right to die, all the way to the point of physician-assisted suicide.
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Nelson_Mandela
07/03/17 1:45:04 PM
#136:


LapisLazuli posted...
Sad of Trump pretending to care to try and garner favor. He doesn't give a shit about that baby, just looking for political points. Shameful.

Tolerant Left!
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Nelson_Mandela
07/03/17 1:45:56 PM
#137:


-FFDragon- posted...
I'm all for right to die, all the way to the point of physician-assisted suicide.

The courts won't even let him at home! Apparently you risk losing custody by taking your baby to the hospital in the UK.
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ImTheMacheteGuy
07/03/17 1:51:51 PM
#138:


Nelson_Mandela posted...
LapisLazuli posted...
Sad of Trump pretending to care to try and garner favor. He doesn't give a shit about that baby, just looking for political points. Shameful.

Tolerant Left!


And we're back to using generic buzzwords as responses again
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Regaro
07/03/17 1:52:25 PM
#139:


Nelson_Mandela posted...
LapisLazuli posted...
Sad of Trump pretending to care to try and garner favor. He doesn't give a shit about that baby, just looking for political points. Shameful.

Tolerant Left!

Again. LtM is an ass.

Anyways. I very strongly agree that they should be allowed to take the kid home. Like, wtf.

However, given that as far as I can tell, no doctor actually thinks the experimental treatment will cure him and give him a chance to survive off life support, I'm ok with the government not paying for that. The family not being allowed to use private funds is a different matter that goes further into the child's quality of life (what little there is left) than I'm willing to play philosopher on at work.

Trying to phrase this particularly extreme example as "horrors of socialized medicine" is hugely disingenious though.
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Jeff Zero
07/03/17 1:55:26 PM
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Mr Lasastryke
07/03/17 1:59:01 PM
#141:


uh, why is LTM an ass for saying "trump doesn't give a shit about that baby"? not sure if he gives a shit about anyone except donald trump.

not sure why sephy "i hate trump more than anyone else on this board" g has a problem with the statement either.
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LapisLazuli
07/03/17 1:59:10 PM
#142:


Regaro posted...

Again. LtM is an ass.


Just being realistic.
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ImTheMacheteGuy
07/03/17 2:00:14 PM
#143:


Jeff Zero posted...
QLvcOKc


What is retweet exactly? Is that just twitter's word for replying or responding or is it a thing like when you quote a post on gamefaqs without adding anything of your own after?
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LapisLazuli
07/03/17 2:00:35 PM
#144:


Mr Lasastryke posted...
uh, why is LTM an ass for saying "trump doesn't give a shit about that baby"? not sure if he gives a shit about anyone except donald trump.

not sure why sephy "i hate trump more than anyone else on this board" g has a problem with the statement either.


People don't like to admit that someone could be that shitty about something like this, even Trump.

And Seph is just Seph.
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Regaro
07/03/17 2:01:38 PM
#145:


LapisLazuli posted...
Mr Lasastryke posted...
uh, why is LTM an ass for saying "trump doesn't give a shit about that baby"? not sure if he gives a shit about anyone except donald trump.

not sure why sephy "i hate trump more than anyone else on this board" g has a problem with the statement either.


People don't like to admit that someone could be that shitty about something like this, even Trump.

There's also the fact that every time something happens, you're incredibly quick to assume+say the worst about people with opposite views to you.
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LapisLazuli
07/03/17 2:02:06 PM
#146:


Regaro posted...
LapisLazuli posted...
Mr Lasastryke posted...
uh, why is LTM an ass for saying "trump doesn't give a shit about that baby"? not sure if he gives a shit about anyone except donald trump.

not sure why sephy "i hate trump more than anyone else on this board" g has a problem with the statement either.


People don't like to admit that someone could be that shitty about something like this, even Trump.

There's also the fact that every time something happens, you're incredibly quick to assume+say the worst about people with opposite views to you.


It's Trump...

It would take an absurd level of naivety to think that tweet was emotionally genuine.
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LapisLazuli
07/03/17 2:04:40 PM
#147:


Also, "people with the opposite worldview" is a little broad. "The same 3 losers on B8" is more accurate.
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Jakyl25
07/03/17 2:33:03 PM
#148:


Nelson_Mandela posted...
Anyone from the UK able to comment on the Charlie Gard situation? Seems kind of nuts and basically is everything the right has been warning about socialized medicine.


I know nothing about this situation, but even giving you the full 100% benefit of the doubt, there are hundreds more warning stories about our health care system
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Ashethan
07/03/17 3:06:35 PM
#149:


Regaro posted...
There's also the fact that every time something happens, you're incredibly quick to assume+say the worst about people with opposite views to you.


In all fairness, Trump cut off health care for his nephew's sick infant son.
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ImTheMacheteGuy
07/03/17 3:12:07 PM
#150:


Jakyl25 posted...
Nelson_Mandela posted...
Anyone from the UK able to comment on the Charlie Gard situation? Seems kind of nuts and basically is everything the right has been warning about socialized medicine.


I know nothing about this situation, but even giving you the full 100% benefit of the doubt, there are hundreds more warning stories about our health care system


Not even just in the US. In Ireland, a woman died because she had a miscarriage but didn't physically lose the fetus. Doctors refused to remove it because they considered that to be abortion even though it was dead. She got septic shock. Probably fairly common in religious countries.
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LordoftheMorons
07/03/17 5:11:21 PM
#151:


https://apnews.com/1b716f88dab7490cb6c8a1cbc76f1cd2/DC-appeals-court-orders-EPA-to-move-ahead-with-methane-rule

O ya go my DC Court of Appeals
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