Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 106: Miner Threat

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If we can make the Wall solar-powered, maybe we can do that for the coal mines to make them more energy-efficient.
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Jakyl25 posted...

Seph probably would like them to go back to their boxes and be quiet though.

Nah, I don't hate the poor... Actually grew up in poverty and was on food stamps for a time! Obamacare hurts the poor more than it helps.
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Tag.
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Jakyl25 posted...

https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/878711517537083392

Now he's giving himself nicknames

*sigh*
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Trump at the end of his administration:

"Really, you only have Obama to blame for the bad years of Trump Presidency. If your life is worse of now, it's cause Obama led to me getting elected. I would have never let that happen. Sad!"
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sdocmu6CyFs
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Jakyl25 posted...

If we can make the Wall solar-powered, maybe we can do that for the coal mines to make them more energy-efficient.

I think we're looking at this all wrong. Instead of scraping by on already used up light from the sun, we should set up mining rigs directly on the surface and mine solar coal. The sun is so big that this would create infinity coal jobs and solve energy problems forever.
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Nelson_Mandela posted...

Jakyl25 posted...

Seph probably would like them to go back to their boxes and be quiet though.

Nah, I don't hate the poor... Actually grew up in poverty and was on food stamps for a time! Obamacare hurts the poor more than it helps.

Your concern is disingenuous since you love the bhca. Everything about you is disingenuous. You saying that you don't hate poor Americans is like homophobes saying "I don't hate the gays or their agenda, I just wish they'd disappear."
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... did we go back in time?! plz say yes

also lmao "Crazy Bernie Sanders", that's the best he got?... and why does he even put a negative name on someone he's trying to "support" in this tweet lmao
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Maybe he thinks Bernie Sanders is a fireworks salesman and is trying to drum up business for him.
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GuessMyUserName posted...

... did we go back in time?! plz say yes

also lmao "Crazy Bernie Sanders", that's the best he got?... and why does he even put a negative name on someone he's trying to "support" in this tweet lmao

... so has he just given up or what. Because he's basically saying he colluded here.
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Yeah, the tone of his defensiveness has backed into a corner of "yeah there was collusion but you need to punish Russia and Hillary for it, not me!"
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Jakyl25 posted...

Yeah, the tone of his defensiveness has backed into a corner of "yeah there was collusion but you need to punish Russia and Hillary for it, not me!"

*Obama and Hillary
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https://twitter.com/brianstelter/status/878927023913271296

Trump bashing the AHCA, on television, while simultaneously bashing Obama
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Jakyl25 posted...

Yeah, the tone of his defensiveness has backed into a corner of "yeah there was collusion but you need to punish Russia and Hillary for it, not me!"

>.> I guess the investigation's not going well for him.

... well, that, or he's just being stupid.

Normally it'd be just the first, but I guess for him either's just as valid.
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http://www.cnn.com/2017/06/25/us/california-islamic-centers/index.html

So much for the tolerant alt-right


EDIT: Also in addition to the hate crimes, this is a felony waste of bacon
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Nelson_Mandela posted...

Jakyl25 posted...

Seph probably would like them to go back to their boxes and be quiet though.

Nah, I don't hate the poor... Actually grew up in poverty and was on food stamps for a time! Obamacare hurts the poor more than it helps.

I mean, if you're poor enough to be on food stamps, you're on Medicaid, not Obamacare, so........your coverage is completely unchanged under the ACA.

HOWEVER, you will probably be screwed under Trumpcare, which has massive cuts to Medicaid....
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metroid composite posted...

Nelson_Mandela posted...

Jakyl25 posted...

Seph probably would like them to go back to their boxes and be quiet though.

Nah, I don't hate the poor... Actually grew up in poverty and was on food stamps for a time! Obamacare hurts the poor more than it helps.

I mean, if you're poor enough to be on food stamps, you're on Medicaid, not Obamacare, so........your coverage is completely unchanged under the ACA.

HOWEVER, you will probably be screwed under Trumpcare, which has massive cuts to Medicaid....

Medicaid increases in funding every year under "TrumpCare". Just not as much each year.

Nelson_Mandela is wrong by the way...

Nelson_Mandela posted...

Jakyl25 posted...

Seph probably would like them to go back to their boxes and be quiet though.

Nah, I don't hate the poor... Actually grew up in poverty and was on food stamps for a time! Obamacare hurts the poor more than it helps.

It hurts the middle class and makes them poor.


I wish they would just repeal Obamacare and not replace it with anything.
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Jakyl25 posted...

http://www.cnn.com/2017/06/25/us/california-islamic-centers/index.html

So much for the tolerant alt-right


EDIT: Also in addition to the hate crimes, this is a felony waste of bacon

To be fair, there are a number of people besides the alt-right that I could see doing this.

"Enlightened" atheists, xenophobic liberals, gullible and scared members of the LGBT+ community (that might also fit into one of the former categories)

But it was most likely a member of the alt-right, yeah.
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BowserCuffs posted...

Jakyl25 posted...

http://www.cnn.com/2017/06/25/us/california-islamic-centers/index.html

So much for the tolerant alt-right


EDIT: Also in addition to the hate crimes, this is a felony waste of bacon

To be fair, there are a number of people besides the alt-right that I could see doing this.

"Enlightened" atheists, xenophobic liberals, gullible and scared members of the LGBT+ community (that might also fit into one of the former categories)

But it was most likely a member of the alt-right, yeah.

To my understanding, Lauren Kirk-Coehlo is a liberal.

And if so this is the second time a liberal on the west coast had committed a crime and this topic have stated it was a conservative.
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Jakyl25 posted...

https://twitter.com/brianstelter/status/878927023913271296

Trump bashing the AHCA, on television, while simultaneously bashing Obama

I really hope Heller, Collins, Murkowski, etc see this and correctly interpret it to mean that Trump will throw them under the bus as soon as it's convenient if they back BHCA.
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If a person is xenophobic or commits hate crimes, that person is not a liberal, regardless of any other beliefs they may have.
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Not_an_Owl posted...

If a person is xenophobic or commits hate crimes, that person is not a liberal, regardless of any other beliefs they may have.

Lol ok
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Not_an_Owl posted...

If a person is xenophobic or commits hate crimes, that person is not a liberal, regardless of any other beliefs they may have.

Is that serious or facetious?
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Corrik posted...

Not_an_Owl posted...

If a person is xenophobic or commits hate crimes, that person is not a liberal, regardless of any other beliefs they may have.

Lol ok

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/liberal

free from prejudice or bigotry; tolerant

???
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That's great and all but talking about the Left Voter bloc that is referred to as Liberals. Not the dictionary term.
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Actually your dictionary has the correct usage listed also. Lol so wtf.

2.
(often initial capital letter)noting or pertaining to a political party advocating measures of progressive political reform.
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Corrik posted...

That's great and all but talking about the Left Voter bloc that is referred to as Liberals. Not the dictionary term.

One can be left-wing without being a liberal. Communism is as extreme a left-wing policy as is possible, but no one would call Karl Marx a liberal.
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Not_an_Owl posted...

Corrik posted...

That's great and all but talking about the Left Voter bloc that is referred to as Liberals. Not the dictionary term.

One can be left-wing without being a liberal. Communism is as extreme a left-wing policy as is possible, but no one would call Karl Marx a liberal.

One can be xenophobic and a Liberal also. Crazy the things you learn.

She was referred to as a Davis Liberal in at least one article i saw.
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so, uh, is there any reason to even care about any of the stuff you guys always talk about in these topics? Will I ever be able to have any kind of meaningful conversation with somebody who holds beliefs different than my own, just to find out why they think the way they do? Will I ever be able to have a meaningful impact on anything beyond the direct-local level of politics in my own world?
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Corrik posted...

One can be xenophobic and a Liberal also. Crazy the things you learn.

Yeah, no shit. Liberals are just as racist as conservatives, sometimes even more so
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^That's the thing I worry about all the time with internet politics. It was bad enough in the Bush area, but now I feel like it's more of a demented competition rather than people actually trying to improve the country.

Maybe that's just the future of politics. Or maybe it was always this vile and I just didn't noticed before because I was 18 and generally uninterested in politics before.



When someone commits an act of terrorism, too many people care more about the murderer's so called political affliction rather than the actual victims of the crime.
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Dark Young Link posted...

^That's the thing I worry about all the time with internet politics. It was bad enough in the Bush area, but now I feel like it's more of a demented competition rather than people actually trying to improve the country.

Maybe that's just the future of politics. Or maybe it was always this vile and I just didn't noticed before because I was 18 and generally uninterested in politics before.



When someone commits an act of terrorism, too many people care more about the murderer's so called political affliction rather than the actual victims of the crime.

In a way, I agree. It just seems weird to me that repeatedly it has been asserted that if you do something vile that you seemingly have to be right wing.
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Corrik posted...

BowserCuffs posted...

Jakyl25 posted...

http://www.cnn.com/2017/06/25/us/california-islamic-centers/index.html

So much for the tolerant alt-right


EDIT: Also in addition to the hate crimes, this is a felony waste of bacon

To be fair, there are a number of people besides the alt-right that I could see doing this.

"Enlightened" atheists, xenophobic liberals, gullible and scared members of the LGBT+ community (that might also fit into one of the former categories)

But it was most likely a member of the alt-right, yeah.

To my understanding, Lauren Kirk-Coehlo is a liberal.

And if so this is the second time a liberal on the west coast had committed a crime and this topic have stated it was a conservative.

Was she? I can't find any reporting on the subject, other than Lauren was in an environmental club in 2002, which suggest that she leaned left in high school (but a lot of people lean left in high school).
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And I see that as wrong. Just as I see rioters being blamed on "the left" as wrong.



When someone shoots up a school, they're not a liberal and they're not an alt righter. They're an asshole.
Rioters? Assholes.
People committing hate crimes? Assholes.

Unless directly involved with the incident, things like political background, race, etc are irrelevant.

But what can be expected from people who have time and time again opted to vote for "The lesser evil", pretending they weren't voting for evil?
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Dark Young Link posted...

And I see that as wrong. Just as I see rioters being blamed on "the left" as wrong.



When someone shoots up a school, they're not a liberal and they're not an alt righter. They're an asshole.
Rioters? Assholes.
People committing hate crimes? Assholes.

Unless directly involved with the incident, things like political background, race, etc are irrelevant.

But what can be expected from people who have time and time again opted to vote for "The lesser evil", pretending they weren't voting for evil?

Some of us actually like the people we vote for, you know
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Wait, is Corrik assuming this Lauren woman is the culprit behind the hate crimes I posted because she attacked the same mosque before, or do we know it was her?
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That's good. You should. I'm not referring to the people who are voting for the people they actually want.

I'm talking about the people who go "Well this guy is awful, but at least he's not [more awful] person! That makes it okay to settle for awful!"



Grated there will always be someone unsatisfied. But surely we can do better than... what we're doing now, right?
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Jakyl25 posted...

Wait, is Corrik assuming this Lauren woman is the culprit behind the hate crimes I posted because she attacked the same mosque before, or do we know it was her?

The article talks about her case in addition to 3 others.

Also why did the original poster attribute it to the "tolerant alt-right" when the culprit is not known?

There is a higher chance it was a left winger regardless just because of where the crimes took place tbqh.

Not that it matters, but the "right is evil" narrative is pretty obnoxious in these topics.
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Dark Young Link posted...

When someone shoots up a school, they're not a liberal and they're not an alt righter. They're an a******.
Rioters? a******s.
People committing hate crimes? a******s.

Unless directly involved with the incident, things like political background, race, etc are irrelevant.

I call out the alt-right specifically because the core tenet of that political philosophy is ethno-nationalism.
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Corrik posted...

Also why did the original poster attribute it to the "tolerant alt-right" when the culprit is not known?

I'm the original poster

Being a conservative is not evil. Being alt-right is evil.

Same goes for any rising alt-left groups.
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Dark Young Link posted...

Rioters? Assholes.

A very wise man once said, "a riot is the language of the unheard."
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Corrik posted...

Dark Young Link posted...

^That's the thing I worry about all the time with internet politics. It was bad enough in the Bush area, but now I feel like it's more of a demented competition rather than people actually trying to improve the country.

Maybe that's just the future of politics. Or maybe it was always this vile and I just didn't noticed before because I was 18 and generally uninterested in politics before.



When someone commits an act of terrorism, too many people care more about the murderer's so called political affliction rather than the actual victims of the crime.

In a way, I agree. It just seems weird to me that repeatedly it has been asserted that if you do something vile that you seemingly have to be right wing.

On this board at least, there's a topic pointing out every non-right wing attackers political affinity, so...

Corrik posted...

It hurts the middle class and makes them poor.


I wish they would just repeal Obamacare and not replace it with anything.

The pre-existing conditions and kids on their parent's insurance clause is saving lives.

It literally allowed my dad, who owns his own business and has a heart condition, to get coverage and not lose the house.
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Dark Young Link posted...

Grated there will always be someone unsatisfied. But surely we can do better than... what we're doing now, right?

The system as it is incentivizes tribalism.

It would require a massive uprising against the two party system to change it, and neither ideological side wants to make the move because it would empower the other side completely

The closest I've seen is, ironically, the alt-right's Operation Purge Cucks, to eliminate establishment conservatives from the GOP in 2018 in a hostile party takeover, but that's a wash now because they won 2016 and there's no need.
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Jakyl25 posted...

Corrik posted...

Also why did the original poster attribute it to the "tolerant alt-right" when the culprit is not known?

I'm the original poster

Being a conservative is not evil. Being alt-right is evil.

Same goes for any rising alt-left groups.

Except it is not known to have even been done by the alt right anyways. So why was it said? Because it was a bad act it must be alt-right in your mind.
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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

Corrik posted...

Dark Young Link posted...

^That's the thing I worry about all the time with internet politics. It was bad enough in the Bush area, but now I feel like it's more of a demented competition rather than people actually trying to improve the country.

Maybe that's just the future of politics. Or maybe it was always this vile and I just didn't noticed before because I was 18 and generally uninterested in politics before.



When someone commits an act of terrorism, too many people care more about the murderer's so called political affliction rather than the actual victims of the crime.

In a way, I agree. It just seems weird to me that repeatedly it has been asserted that if you do something vile that you seemingly have to be right wing.

On this board at least, there's a topic pointing out every non-right wing attackers political affinity, so...

Corrik posted...

It hurts the middle class and makes them poor.


I wish they would just repeal Obamacare and not replace it with anything.

The pre-existing conditions and kids on their parent's insurance clause is saving lives.

It literally allowed my dad, who owns his own business and has a heart condition, to get coverage and not lose the house.

I support the kid thing but not entirely the way it is set up now. I support a kid can stay on parents insurance til 26 only as long as continually enrolled in a higher education system. Otherwise it should be 21 - as long as unemployed.

As for pre-existing conditions. Should be able to purchase at rates of normal plans as long as you keep up continuous coverage. If you drop coverage, should be able to be charged higher plans.


Literally just make those two things laws and scrap the entire system.
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Corrik posted...

I support the kid thing but not entirely the way it is set up now. I support a kid can stay on parents insurance til 26 only as long as continually enrolled in a higher education system. Otherwise it should be 21 - as long as unemployed.

Why necessitate that criteria? Especially with the continuing diminishment of higher education as viable.
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https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/879059303033970689

This is fucking disgusting. The GOP strategy on BHCA is just to straight up lie about what it will do. This is the core of Trump's legacy: showing other politicians that you can be as brazen as you want with your lies and half of the country will still believe you.
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Corrik posted...

Except it is not known to have even been done by the alt right anyways. So why was it said? Because it was a bad act it must be alt-right in your mind.

For an Islamophobic hate crime I am going to the alt-right as my first suspects, yes.

Same reason people say "so much for the tolerant left" when the controversial college speaker protests break out. You don't KNOW that every person getting violent is a leftist just because they're protesting Milo or Ann Coulter, but it's a fair guess!
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Jakyl25 posted...

Corrik posted...

I support the kid thing but not entirely the way it is set up now. I support a kid can stay on parents insurance til 26 only as long as continually enrolled in a higher education system. Otherwise it should be 21 - as long as unemployed.

Why necessitate that criteria? Especially with the continuing diminishment of higher education as viable.

Because you should be able to get a job and get your own health care if you are not in higher education.
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