Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 106: Miner Threat

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metroid composite 06/25/17 7:16:28 PM #101:	BowserCuffs posted... Jakyl25 posted... woodman posted... Despite the name, Nazism is a far right movement, you know, being fascist and all. Only by today's American standards The logical extreme of leftist philosophy is authoritarianism. The logical extreme of rightist(?) philosophy is anarchy. Actually, the logical extreme of rightist philosophy is fascism. The logical extreme of leftist philosophy is... um... now this one I'm not sure about. Communism? Well, theoretically. And there were some ways in which this is true; (the USSR had women in the military long before other countries, had women in space long before the US). But for the USSR specifically, they did kill people for being gay, and it wasn't exactly a nice place to be Jewish. And they were very militaristic. So like...not really a place whose government lines up with my views on all social issues, just ahead of its time on some social issues. --- Cats land on their feet. Toast lands peanut butter side down. A cat with toast strapped to its back will hover above the ground in a state of quantum indecision <cite>metroid composite posted [p:881800122] in Politics C... [t:75498517]...</cite> <quote><cite>BowserCuffs posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>woodman posted...</cite> <quote>Despite the name, Nazism is a far right movement, you know, being fascist and all.</quote> Only by today's American standards The logical extreme of leftist philosophy is authoritarianism. The logical extreme of rightist(?) philosophy is anarchy.</quote> Actually, the logical extreme of rightist philosophy is fascism. The logical extreme of leftist philosophy is... um... now this one I'm not sure about. Communism?</quote> Well, theoretically. And there were some ways in which this is true; (the USSR had women in the military long before other countries, had women in space long before the US). But for the USSR specifically, they did kill people for being gay, and it wasn't exactly a nice place to be Jewish. And they were very militaristic. So like...not really a place whose government lines up with my views on all social issues, just ahead of its time on some social issues.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 06/25/17 7:41:03 PM #102:	John Kasich: "Neither Party cares about the poor." At least someone gets it! EDIT: https://twitter.com/chrismurphyct/status/878977909297426432 Shitting on the bill is truly unifying. --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvGKDK2WIAAmKTf?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:881801379] in Politics C... [t:75498517]...</cite> <quote>John Kasich: "Neither Party cares about the poor." At least someone gets it! EDIT: https://twitter.com/chrismurphyct/status/878977909297426432 Shitting on the bill is truly unifying.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 06/25/17 7:45:20 PM #103:	http://www.cnn.com/2017/06/21/asia/philippines-isis-marawi-duterte/index.html The Duterte vs ISIS war is not going well for the people of the Philippines. The fighting has also led to Duterte reversing the country's position on international military cooperation. Less than a year after the president unambiguously declared that he did not want to "see any military man of any nation" in the Philippines "except the Filipino soldier", his spokesman announced that the country is open to assistance from other countries, if they offer it. I wonder what Trump thinks about getting involved here. I mean that seriously; I have no idea what his opinion on US involvement would be. --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvGKDK2WIAAmKTf?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:881801580] in Politics C... [t:75498517]...</cite> <quote>http://www.cnn.com/2017/06/21/asia/philippines-isis-marawi-duterte/index.html The Duterte vs ISIS war is not going well for the people of the Philippines. <quote>The fighting has also led to Duterte reversing the country's position on international military cooperation. Less than a year after the president unambiguously declared that he did not want to "see any military man of any nation" in the Philippines "except the Filipino soldier", his spokesman announced that the country is open to assistance from other countries, if they offer it.</quote> I wonder what Trump thinks about getting involved here. I mean that seriously; I have no idea what his opinion on US involvement would be.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KamikazePotato 06/25/17 8:44:05 PM #104:	Andrew Sullivan I was mulling, as one does, over this presidency, and something crystallized in my head that I had not quite grasped before. Its policies are best described as simply perverse. The new Senate health-care bill is just the latest shining example. As Peter Suderman explains, it certainly isn’t based on any serious conservative ideas about reforming health care; it has no vision of how it wants health care to be organized; the loss of health care for the working poor will be most intense in Republican districts; and, just as important, a huge amount of it is simply kicked into the future — and could easily be forestalled or nullified by future Congresses and presidents. For good measure, by ending many of the taxes in the bill that make it work, and by removing the individual mandate, it risks sending the insurance markets into a deeper crisis. So what on earth is the point? For Trump, it seems to me, the whole point is to have a “win.” He doesn’t give a shit about what the bill actually contains. He’ll just lie about it afterward and assume his cult followers will believe him. For Ryan, it’s just a way to make a future tax cut for the superrich more budget-friendly, while pushing the political costs of shredding Medicaid onto some future sucker. And then you think about those tax cuts Ryan wants so badly. We are told that these cuts will spark so much growth they will pay for themselves — and more. And yet if there is one thing we really do know by now, it is that this strategy has spectacularly failed and failed again to work. Reagan’s tax cuts left the U.S. with an unprecedented peacetime deficit; George W. Bush inherited a small surplus and, after his tax cuts didn’t spur higher growth, handed Obama a Treasury close to bankrupt. In Kansas, the exact same strategy has incurred so much debt that a supermajority of the legislature, led by Republicans, have junked it. To pursue it a third time on a national scale is the definition of madness. We are also living in an era of extreme inequality. Any responsible politician would be trying to find a way to ameliorate this, if for no other reason than it is deeply dangerous for the stability of our society and the health of our democracy. And yet the policy of the Republicans is to further increase such inequality to levels beyond even the robber-baron era. Again, the only word for this is … perverse. Ditto, for that matter, the idea that coal is the future of energy, and that climate change is a hoax. There was absolutely no point in withdrawing from the nonbinding Paris Accord — which is why Trump is now lying by claiming, as he did last Wednesday night, that it was binding. It was an utterly pointless way to isolate the U.S. from the rest of the world, and cede leadership to China. Elsewhere in foreign policy, we have just begun a deepening of the war in Afghanistan, the longest in American history, with no strategy in place. We’ve also junked the very careful limits that Obama put on the war against ISIS, leading to increasingly dangerous conflict with the Russians. And we now have a broader Middle East policy that has needlessly junked the core gain of the Obama years. The opening to Iran gave the U.S. far more leverage in the region, balancing out our previous Sunni commitments with a Shiite counterweight. Now Trump has fully committed the United States to one side of an intra-Muslim divide, while trashing Qatar, which houses the most important military base in the entire region. Again: perverse. The only theme I can infer is this: Whatever Obama did, Trump will try to undo. The perversity is the flip side of spite. http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/06/andrew-sullivan-the-perverse-presidency-of-donald-trump.html btw everyone should read this. Best summary of the current state of affairs I've seen. --- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. <cite>KamikazePotato posted [p:881804444] in Politics C... [t:75498517]...</cite> <quote><cite>Andrew Sullivan</cite> <quote>I was mulling, as one does, over this presidency, and something crystallized in my head that I had not quite grasped before. Its policies are best described as simply perverse. The new Senate health-care bill is just the latest shining example. As Peter Suderman explains, it certainly isn’t based on any serious conservative ideas about reforming health care; it has no vision of how it wants health care to be organized; the loss of health care for the working poor will be most intense in Republican districts; and, just as important, a huge amount of it is simply kicked into the future — and could easily be forestalled or nullified by future Congresses and presidents. For good measure, by ending many of the taxes in the bill that make it work, and by removing the individual mandate, it risks sending the insurance markets into a deeper crisis. So what on earth is the point? For Trump, it seems to me, the whole point is to have a “win.” He doesn’t give a shit about what the bill actually contains. He’ll just lie about it afterward and assume his cult followers will believe him. For Ryan, it’s just a way to make a future tax cut for the superrich more budget-friendly, while pushing the political costs of shredding Medicaid onto some future sucker. And then you think about those tax cuts Ryan wants so badly. We are told that these cuts will spark so much growth they will pay for themselves — and more. And yet if there is one thing we really do know by now, it is that this strategy has spectacularly failed and failed again to work. Reagan’s tax cuts left the U.S. with an unprecedented peacetime deficit; George W. Bush inherited a small surplus and, after his tax cuts didn’t spur higher growth, handed Obama a Treasury close to bankrupt. In Kansas, the exact same strategy has incurred so much debt that a supermajority of the legislature, led by Republicans, have junked it. To pursue it a third time on a national scale is the definition of madness. We are also living in an era of extreme inequality. Any responsible politician would be trying to find a way to ameliorate this, if for no other reason than it is deeply dangerous for the stability of our society and the health of our democracy. And yet the policy of the Republicans is to further increase such inequality to levels beyond even the robber-baron era. Again, the only word for this is … perverse. Ditto, for that matter, the idea that coal is the future of energy, and that climate change is a hoax. There was absolutely no point in withdrawing from the nonbinding Paris Accord — which is why Trump is now lying by claiming, as he did last Wednesday night, that it was binding. It was an utterly pointless way to isolate the U.S. from the rest of the world, and cede leadership to China. Elsewhere in foreign policy, we have just begun a deepening of the war in Afghanistan, the longest in American history, with no strategy in place. We’ve also junked the very careful limits that Obama put on the war against ISIS, leading to increasingly dangerous conflict with the Russians. And we now have a broader Middle East policy that has needlessly junked the core gain of the Obama years. The opening to Iran gave the U.S. far more leverage in the region, balancing out our previous Sunni commitments with a Shiite counterweight. Now Trump has fully committed the United States to one side of an intra-Muslim divide, while trashing Qatar, which houses the most important military base in the entire region. Again: perverse. The only theme I can infer is this: Whatever Obama did, Trump will try to undo. The perversity is the flip side of spite. http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/06/andrew-sullivan-the-perverse-presidency-of-donald-trump.html</quote> btw everyone should read this. Best summary of the current state of affairs I've seen.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 06/25/17 8:47:45 PM #105:	I agree it's a good article, but who is the audience? Everyone either already understands this, or refuses to. --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvGKDK2WIAAmKTf?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:881804644] in Politics C... [t:75498517]...</cite> <quote>I agree it's a good article, but who is the audience? Everyone either already understands this, or refuses to.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KamikazePotato 06/25/17 9:01:00 PM #106:	Jakyl25 posted... I agree it's a good article, but who is the audience? Everyone either already understands this, or refuses to. This applies to all articles and all news, currently. There is no article or news story that is going to make anyone change their mind about anything unless an observable direct effect will occur on their life, and even then... Using the Leopard Eating Faces Party as an example - they currently voted in the leopard. Now it's pounced on them, is looking down at them hungrily, and is licking its lips. The fact that this is apparent means nothing to most people. They will continue to support the leopard until after it eats their face off. Not during, after. And then the leopard will turn around and blame it all on the lion, and they'll buy it anyway. Logic and reasonable discourse mean absolutely nothing. In that vein, the article is pointless. In that same vein, this entire topic series is pointless and always has been. I come here for the same reason I read those articles - because it's an easy way to keep up on the news and helps me put my thoughts together more easily. At this point I genuinely believe that, no matter who wins the 2018 elections, violence is fast approaching. America is a fucked up country right now. --- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. <cite>KamikazePotato posted [p:881805300] in Politics C... [t:75498517]...</cite> <quote><cite>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote>I agree it's a good article, but who is the audience? Everyone either already understands this, or refuses to.</quote> This applies to all articles and all news, currently. There is no article or news story that is going to make anyone change their mind about anything unless an observable direct effect will occur on their life, and even then... Using the Leopard Eating Faces Party as an example - they currently voted in the leopard. Now it's pounced on them, is looking down at them hungrily, and is licking its lips. The fact that this is apparent means nothing to most people. They will continue to support the leopard until after it eats their face off. Not during, after. And then the leopard will turn around and blame it all on the lion, and they'll buy it anyway. Logic and reasonable discourse mean absolutely nothing. In that vein, the article is pointless. In that same vein, this entire topic series is pointless and always has been. I come here for the same reason I read those articles - because it's an easy way to keep up on the news and helps me put my thoughts together more easily. At this point I genuinely believe that, no matter who wins the 2018 elections, violence is fast approaching. America is a fucked up country right now.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRock1525 06/25/17 10:10:24 PM #107:	http://time.com/4832206/kellyanne-conway-health-care-bill-medicaid-cuts/ "Obamacare took Medicaid, which was designed to help the poor, the needy, the elderly, the sick, the disabled also children, and pregnant women, it took it and it went way above the poverty line and opened it up to many able-bodied Americans who should probably find other should at least see if there are other options for them," she said. "If they're able-bodied and they want to work, then they'll have employer-sponsored benefits like you and I do"” But... Obamacare is WHY a lot of companies have to offer healthcare to it's employees... Why are these people so dumb? --- TheRock ~ I had a name, my father called me Blues. <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:881808710] in Politics C... [t:75498517]...</cite> <quote>http://time.com/4832206/kellyanne-conway-health-care-bill-medicaid-cuts/ <quote>"Obamacare took Medicaid, which was designed to help the poor, the needy, the elderly, the sick, the disabled also children, and pregnant women, it took it and it went way above the poverty line and opened it up to many able-bodied Americans who should probably find other should at least see if there are other options for them," she said. "If they're able-bodied and they want to work, then they'll have employer-sponsored benefits like you and I do"”</quote> But... Obamacare is WHY a lot of companies have to offer healthcare to it's employees... Why are these people so dumb?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dark Young Link 06/25/17 10:17:40 PM #108:	And if you try to suggest voting for neither the Leopard OR the Lion... you get no press attention and no money. --- http://i.imgur.com/gOGzcN4.gif DYL <cite>Dark Young Link posted [p:881809073] in Politics C... [t:75498517]...</cite> <quote>And if you try to suggest voting for neither the Leopard OR the Lion... you get no press attention and no money.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SupremeZero 06/25/17 10:27:17 PM #109:	Dark Young Link posted... And if you try to suggest voting for neither the Leopard OR the Lion... you get no press attention and no money. You realize that in his analogy the Lion did fuck all and is actually 100% innocent? Maybe not the best analogy to base yours on. --- There's always hope for better things in life. But you can't let anything, friend, lover,God himself,be your hope. You have to be your own hope <cite>SupremeZero posted [p:881809500] in Politics C... [t:75498517]...</cite> <quote><cite>Dark Young Link posted...</cite> <quote>And if you try to suggest voting for neither the Leopard OR the Lion... you get no press attention and no money.</quote> You realize that in his analogy the Lion did fuck all and is actually 100% innocent? Maybe not the best analogy to base yours on.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik 06/25/17 10:28:12 PM #110:	SupremeZero posted... Dark Young Link posted... And if you try to suggest voting for neither the Leopard OR the Lion... you get no press attention and no money. You realize that in his analogy the Lion did fuck all and is actually 100% innocent? Maybe not the best analogy to base yours on. 100% innocent. Politics discussion topic. Can't make this shit up. Lol --- LoL ID = imajericho XBL GT = Corrik <cite>Corrik posted [p:881809544] in Politics C... [t:75498517]...</cite> <quote><cite>SupremeZero posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dark Young Link posted...</cite> <quote>And if you try to suggest voting for neither the Leopard OR the Lion... you get no press attention and no money.</quote> You realize that in his analogy the Lion did fuck all and is actually 100% innocent? Maybe not the best analogy to base yours on.</quote> 100% innocent. Politics discussion topic. Can't make this shit up. Lol</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red sox 777 06/25/17 10:28:14 PM #111:	If people voted for the leopard to eat their faces, and it did, then they won. It might be an expensive victory, but victory all the same. --- September 1, 2003; November 4, 2007; September 2, 2013 Congratulations to DP Oblivion in the Guru Contest! <cite>red sox 777 posted [p:881809550] in Politics C... [t:75498517]...</cite> <quote>If people voted for the leopard to eat their faces, and it did, then they won. It might be an expensive victory, but victory all the same.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
woodman 06/25/17 10:29:25 PM #112:	Corrik posted... SupremeZero posted... Dark Young Link posted... And if you try to suggest voting for neither the Leopard OR the Lion... you get no press attention and no money. You realize that in his analogy the Lion did fuck all and is actually 100% innocent? Maybe not the best analogy to base yours on. 100% innocent. Politics discussion topic. Can't make this shit up. Lol --- NFUN nice <cite>woodman posted [p:881809601] in Politics C... [t:75498517]...</cite> <quote><cite>Corrik posted...</cite> <quote><cite>SupremeZero posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dark Young Link posted...</cite> <quote>And if you try to suggest voting for neither the Leopard OR the Lion... you get no press attention and no money.</quote> You realize that in his analogy the Lion did fuck all and is actually 100% innocent? Maybe not the best analogy to base yours on.</quote> 100% innocent. Politics discussion topic. Can't make this shit up. Lol</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kenri 06/25/17 10:31:09 PM #113:	red sox 777 posted... If people voted for the leopard to eat their faces ...they didn't. they voted for the leopard to eat someone else's face. that's the whole point of the leopard party analogy?? --- Congrats to BKSheikah, who knows more about years than anyone else. <cite>Kenri posted [p:881809697] in Politics C... [t:75498517]...</cite> <quote><cite>red sox 777 posted...</cite> <quote>If people voted for the leopard to eat their faces</quote> ...they didn't. they voted for the leopard to eat someone else's face. that's the whole point of the leopard party analogy??</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red sox 777 06/25/17 10:34:55 PM #114:	Kenri posted... red sox 777 posted... If people voted for the leopard to eat their faces ...they didn't. they voted for the leopard to eat someone else's face. that's the whole point of the leopard party analogy?? That presumes that people are stupid and can't be taken at their word. --- September 1, 2003; November 4, 2007; September 2, 2013 Congratulations to DP Oblivion in the Guru Contest! <cite>red sox 777 posted [p:881809911] in Politics C... [t:75498517]...</cite> <quote><cite>Kenri posted...</cite> <quote><cite>red sox 777 posted...</cite> <quote>If people voted for the leopard to eat their faces</quote> ...they didn't. they voted for the leopard to eat someone else's face. that's the whole point of the leopard party analogy??</quote> That presumes that people are stupid and can't be taken at their word.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SupremeZero 06/25/17 10:35:30 PM #115:	woodman posted... Corrik posted... SupremeZero posted... Dark Young Link posted... And if you try to suggest voting for neither the Leopard OR the Lion... you get no press attention and no money. You realize that in his analogy the Lion did fuck all and is actually 100% innocent? Maybe not the best analogy to base yours on. 100% innocent. Politics discussion topic. Can't make this shit up. Lol Wherein we continue to question if people actually read the things they post. I DO like how he leapt to it being a valid representation of modern politics, however. I guess he really does believe that Republicans are eating Republican's faces. --- There's always hope for better things in life. But you can't let anything, friend, lover,God himself,be your hope. You have to be your own hope <cite>SupremeZero posted [p:881809935] in Politics C... [t:75498517]...</cite> <quote><cite>woodman posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Corrik posted...</cite> <quote><cite>SupremeZero posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dark Young Link posted...</cite> <quote>And if you try to suggest voting for neither the Leopard OR the Lion... you get no press attention and no money.</quote> You realize that in his analogy the Lion did fuck all and is actually 100% innocent? Maybe not the best analogy to base yours on.</quote> 100% innocent. Politics discussion topic. Can't make this shit up. Lol</quote></quote> Wherein we continue to question if people actually read the things they post. I DO like how he leapt to it being a valid representation of modern politics, however. I guess he really does believe that Republicans are eating Republican's faces.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kenri 06/25/17 10:35:34 PM #116:	red sox 777 posted... That presumes that people are stupid and can't be taken at their word. Explain how? --- Congrats to BKSheikah, who knows more about years than anyone else. <cite>Kenri posted [p:881809940] in Politics C... [t:75498517]...</cite> <quote><cite>red sox 777 posted...</cite> <quote>That presumes that people are stupid and can't be taken at their word.</quote> Explain how?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik 06/25/17 10:38:56 PM #117:	SupremeZero posted... woodman posted... Corrik posted... SupremeZero posted... Dark Young Link posted... And if you try to suggest voting for neither the Leopard OR the Lion... you get no press attention and no money. You realize that in his analogy the Lion did fuck all and is actually 100% innocent? Maybe not the best analogy to base yours on. 100% innocent. Politics discussion topic. Can't make this shit up. Lol Wherein we continue to question if people actually read the things they post. I DO like how he leapt to it being a valid representation of modern politics, however. I guess he really does believe that Republicans are eating Republican's faces. My post is accurate. Spin fails yet again. Edit: Since you guys seem to not understand. Literally made an analogy in which it is possible to be 100% innocent in politics. Lol. It is hilarious. --- LoL ID = imajericho XBL GT = Corrik <cite>Corrik posted [p:881810090] in Politics C... [t:75498517]...</cite> <quote><cite>SupremeZero posted...</cite> <quote><cite>woodman posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Corrik posted...</cite> <quote><cite>SupremeZero posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dark Young Link posted...</cite> <quote>And if you try to suggest voting for neither the Leopard OR the Lion... you get no press attention and no money.</quote> You realize that in his analogy the Lion did fuck all and is actually 100% innocent? Maybe not the best analogy to base yours on.</quote> 100% innocent. Politics discussion topic. Can't make this shit up. Lol</quote></quote> Wherein we continue to question if people actually read the things they post. I DO like how he leapt to it being a valid representation of modern politics, however. I guess he really does believe that Republicans are eating Republican's faces.</quote> My post is accurate. Spin fails yet again. Edit: Since you guys seem to not understand. Literally made an analogy in which it is possible to be 100% innocent in politics. Lol. It is hilarious.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dark Young Link 06/25/17 10:40:03 PM #118:	SupremeZero posted... Dark Young Link posted... And if you try to suggest voting for neither the Leopard OR the Lion... you get no press attention and no money. You realize that in his analogy the Lion did fuck all and is actually 100% innocent? Maybe not the best analogy to base yours on. Oh? I thought it was voting for what ate your face. The Leopard or the Lion. They're both the same in the sense they kill you. If I misunderstood the analogy, well it doesn't change my message that many people refuse to try to find a better way of life. red sox 777 posted... That presumes that people are stupid and can't be taken at their word. cough --- http://i.imgur.com/gOGzcN4.gif DYL <cite>Dark Young Link posted [p:881810152] in Politics C... [t:75498517]...</cite> <quote><cite>SupremeZero posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dark Young Link posted...</cite> <quote>And if you try to suggest voting for neither the Leopard OR the Lion... you get no press attention and no money.</quote> You realize that in his analogy the Lion did fuck all and is actually 100% innocent? Maybe not the best analogy to base yours on.</quote> Oh? I thought it was voting for what ate your face. The Leopard or the Lion. They're both the same in the sense they kill you. If I misunderstood the analogy, well it doesn't change my message that many people refuse to try to find a better way of life. <cite>red sox 777 posted...</cite> <quote>That presumes that people are stupid and can't be taken at their word.</quote> cough</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SupremeZero 06/25/17 10:41:20 PM #119:	Dark Young Link posted... SupremeZero posted... Dark Young Link posted... And if you try to suggest voting for neither the Leopard OR the Lion... you get no press attention and no money. You realize that in his analogy the Lion did fuck all and is actually 100% innocent? Maybe not the best analogy to base yours on. Oh? I thought it was voting for what ate your face. The Leopard or the Lion. They're both the same in the sense they kill you. If I misunderstood the analogy, well it doesn't change my message that many people refuse to try to find a better way of life. red sox 777 posted... That presumes that people are stupid and can't be taken at their word. cough But the lion didn't eat any faces. That's the point of the analogy, the lion just got blamed for the leopard. Now, if you want to introduce the lion eating some other faces, go ahead. --- There's always hope for better things in life. But you can't let anything, friend, lover,God himself,be your hope. You have to be your own hope <cite>SupremeZero posted [p:881810225] in Politics C... [t:75498517]...</cite> <quote><cite>Dark Young Link posted...</cite> <quote><cite>SupremeZero posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dark Young Link posted...</cite> <quote>And if you try to suggest voting for neither the Leopard OR the Lion... you get no press attention and no money.</quote> You realize that in his analogy the Lion did fuck all and is actually 100% innocent? Maybe not the best analogy to base yours on.</quote> Oh? I thought it was voting for what ate your face. The Leopard or the Lion. They're both the same in the sense they kill you. If I misunderstood the analogy, well it doesn't change my message that many people refuse to try to find a better way of life. <cite>red sox 777 posted...</cite> <quote>That presumes that people are stupid and can't be taken at their word.</quote> cough</quote> But the lion didn't eat any faces. That's the point of the analogy, the lion just got blamed for the leopard. Now, if you want to introduce the lion eating some other faces, go ahead.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
woodman 06/25/17 10:42:42 PM #120:	Corrik. You're an idiot. --- NFUN nice <cite>woodman posted [p:881810291] in Politics C... [t:75498517]...</cite> <quote>Corrik. You're an idiot.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik 06/25/17 10:46:21 PM #121:	woodman posted... Corrik. You're an idiot. No. I just can have a conversation without resorting to namecalling. I am sure 90% of America would agree with my statement. Though, I am sure you would like to continue acting like you are better than me and that I can't read because you misread intent. --- LoL ID = imajericho XBL GT = Corrik <cite>Corrik posted [p:881810476] in Politics C... [t:75498517]...</cite> <quote><cite>woodman posted...</cite> <quote>Corrik. You're an idiot.</quote> No. I just can have a conversation without resorting to namecalling. I am sure 90% of America would agree with my statement. Though, I am sure you would like to continue acting like you are better than me and that I can't read because you misread intent.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dark Young Link 06/25/17 10:47:15 PM #122:	Alright fine, I misunderstood the analogy I suppose. But you DO understand the point I was making, yes? --- http://i.imgur.com/gOGzcN4.gif DYL <cite>Dark Young Link posted [p:881810524] in Politics C... [t:75498517]...</cite> <quote>Alright fine, I misunderstood the analogy I suppose. But you DO understand the point I was making, yes?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GuessMyUserName 06/25/17 10:48:30 PM #123:	Dark Young Link posted... Alright fine, I misunderstood the analogy I suppose. But you DO understand the point I was making, yes? it isn't a point based on any reality but I understand you trying to make it --- I request affiliated many pipes. Been a bad girl, I know I am. And I'm so hot, I need a fan. I don't want a boy, I need a man. <cite>GuessMyUserName posted [p:881810575] in Politics C... [t:75498517]...</cite> <quote><cite>Dark Young Link posted...</cite> <quote>Alright fine, I misunderstood the analogy I suppose. But you DO understand the point I was making, yes?</quote> it isn't a point based on any reality but I understand you trying to make it</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SupremeZero 06/25/17 10:48:50 PM #124:	Dark Young Link posted... Alright fine, I misunderstood the analogy I suppose. But you DO understand the point I was making, yes? Sure. I think it's dumb. You're not getting laughed at for taking a third option, but because you're taking a completely meaningless third option which is untenable in the current system. And it's one of the lines of thinking that forces us to be stuck with the current system, because "They'll never vote so they don't matter". But it's a perfectly understandable point. --- There's always hope for better things in life. But you can't let anything, friend, lover,God himself,be your hope. You have to be your own hope <cite>SupremeZero posted [p:881810600] in Politics C... [t:75498517]...</cite> <quote><cite>Dark Young Link posted...</cite> <quote>Alright fine, I misunderstood the analogy I suppose. But you DO understand the point I was making, yes?</quote> Sure. I think it's dumb. You're not getting laughed at for taking a third option, but because you're taking a completely meaningless third option which is untenable in the current system. And it's one of the lines of thinking that forces us to be stuck with the current system, because "They'll never vote so they don't matter". But it's a perfectly understandable point.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dark Young Link 06/25/17 10:52:40 PM #125:	GuessMyUserName posted... it isn't a point based on any reality How so? SupremeZero posted... I think it's dumb. You're not getting laughed at for taking a third option, but because you're taking a completely meaningless third option which is untenable in the current system. And it's one of the lines of thinking that forces us to be stuck with the current system, because "They'll never vote so they don't matter". So basically "It's hard so don't bother?" Because what we're currently doing about it(Fuck all) it's not going to change. We'll be dead and gone and our great great great grandchildren will be in the same shitpile we are(Though it'll probably be bigger). If we just sit on our thumbs and wait for something to change, nothing will. People have the power, they just need to stop willingly throwing it away. --- http://i.imgur.com/gOGzcN4.gif DYL <cite>Dark Young Link posted [p:881810778] in Politics C... [t:75498517]...</cite> <quote><cite>GuessMyUserName posted...</cite> <quote>it isn't a point based on any reality</quote> How so? <cite>SupremeZero posted...</cite> <quote>I think it's dumb. You're not getting laughed at for taking a third option, but because you're taking a completely meaningless third option which is untenable in the current system. And it's one of the lines of thinking that forces us to be stuck with the current system, because "They'll never vote so they don't matter".</quote> So basically "It's hard so don't bother?" Because what we're currently doing about it(Fuck all) it's not going to change. We'll be dead and gone and our great great great grandchildren will be in the same shitpile we are(Though it'll probably be bigger). If we just sit on our thumbs and wait for something to change, nothing will. People have the power, they just need to stop willingly throwing it away.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SupremeZero 06/25/17 10:55:33 PM #126:	Dark Young Link posted... GuessMyUserName posted... it isn't a point based on any reality How so? SupremeZero posted... I think it's dumb. You're not getting laughed at for taking a third option, but because you're taking a completely meaningless third option which is untenable in the current system. And it's one of the lines of thinking that forces us to be stuck with the current system, because "They'll never vote so they don't matter". So basically "It's hard so don't bother?" Because what we're currently doing about it(Fuck all) it's not going to change. We'll be dead and gone and our great great great grandchildren will be in the same shitpile we are(Though it'll probably be bigger). If we just sit on our thumbs and wait for something to change, nothing will. People have the power, they just need to stop willingly throw it away. And what is what you're doing going to do to change that? You're voting for someone who will never get office, saying it'd change things if they did, but knowing that they never will. Nagging your senators and representatives and whatnot isn't a particularly good option, but it still manages to be more than the nothing that you're doing while accusing the action of being the nothing. --- There's always hope for better things in life. But you can't let anything, friend, lover,God himself,be your hope. You have to be your own hope <cite>SupremeZero posted [p:881810908] in Politics C... [t:75498517]...</cite> <quote><cite>Dark Young Link posted...</cite> <quote><cite>GuessMyUserName posted...</cite> <quote>it isn't a point based on any reality</quote> How so? <cite>SupremeZero posted...</cite> <quote>I think it's dumb. You're not getting laughed at for taking a third option, but because you're taking a completely meaningless third option which is untenable in the current system. And it's one of the lines of thinking that forces us to be stuck with the current system, because "They'll never vote so they don't matter".</quote> So basically "It's hard so don't bother?" Because what we're currently doing about it(Fuck all) it's not going to change. We'll be dead and gone and our great great great grandchildren will be in the same shitpile we are(Though it'll probably be bigger). If we just sit on our thumbs and wait for something to change, nothing will. People have the power, they just need to stop willingly throw it away.</quote> And what is what you're doing going to do to change that? You're voting for someone who will never get office, saying it'd change things if they did, but knowing that they never will. Nagging your senators and representatives and whatnot isn't a particularly good option, but it still manages to be more than the nothing that you're doing while accusing the action of being the nothing.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dark Young Link 06/25/17 10:59:57 PM #127:	SupremeZero posted... Nagging your senators and representatives and whatnot isn't a particularly good option, but it still manages to be more than the nothing that you're doing while accusing the action of being the nothing. I never said nagging senators, representatives, etc was doing nothing. Though.... yes, admittedly I don't do as much as I could do to try to improve this particular situation. =/ --- http://i.imgur.com/gOGzcN4.gif DYL <cite>Dark Young Link posted [p:881811081] in Politics C... [t:75498517]...</cite> <quote><cite>SupremeZero posted...</cite> <quote>Nagging your senators and representatives and whatnot isn't a particularly good option, but it still manages to be more than the nothing that you're doing while accusing the action of being the nothing.</quote> I never said nagging senators, representatives, etc was doing nothing. Though.... yes, admittedly I don't do as much as I could do to try to improve this particular situation. =/</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GuessMyUserName 06/25/17 11:01:49 PM #128:	DYL isn't just fighting to accomplish nothing, but he's actively opposing progress. Just look at the major reversals brought by Trump and you're gonna talk about change? Get real. Conservatives fall in line, liberals fall apart. There's a reason Dems are to the right of where they should be: that's where voters are that are actually shaping the country. --- I request affiliated many pipes. Been a bad girl, I know I am. And I'm so hot, I need a fan. I don't want a boy, I need a man. <cite>GuessMyUserName posted [p:881811174] in Politics C... [t:75498517]...</cite> <quote>DYL isn't just fighting to accomplish nothing, but he's actively opposing progress. Just look at the major reversals brought by Trump and you're gonna talk about change? Get real. Conservatives fall in line, liberals fall apart. There's a reason Dems are to the right of where they should be: that's where voters are that are actually shaping the country.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
StealThisSheen 06/25/17 11:06:43 PM #129:	GuessMyUserName posted... DYL isn't just fighting to accomplish nothing, but he's actively opposing progress. ...How is he doing this? --- Seplito Nash, Smelling Like the Vault since 1996 Step FOUR! Get Paid! <cite>StealThisSheen posted [p:881811380] in Politics C... [t:75498517]...</cite> <quote><cite>GuessMyUserName posted...</cite> <quote>DYL isn't just fighting to accomplish nothing, but he's actively opposing progress.</quote> ...How is he doing this?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dark Young Link 06/25/17 11:07:38 PM #130:	Progress? You mean all the things Trump said he'd do... and did the exact opposite of? He hasn't "drained the swamp", he hasn't done a single thing to make the country "great", all he's doing so far is giving me nostalgia for Bush. What positive things has he done? Yes conservatives "fall in line", while ensuring the country drifts further and further apart. But hey, as long as they "win" I guess? Though after the utter embarrassment Democrats inflicted upon themselves, it's unsurprising. --- http://i.imgur.com/gOGzcN4.gif DYL <cite>Dark Young Link posted [p:881811423] in Politics C... [t:75498517]...</cite> <quote>Progress? You mean all the things Trump said he'd do... and did the exact opposite of? He hasn't "drained the swamp", he hasn't done a single thing to make the country "great", all he's doing so far is giving me nostalgia for Bush. What positive things has he done? Yes conservatives "fall in line", while ensuring the country drifts further and further apart. But hey, as long as they "win" I guess? Though after the utter embarrassment Democrats inflicted upon themselves, it's unsurprising.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GuessMyUserName 06/25/17 11:10:26 PM #131:	StealThisSheen posted... GuessMyUserName posted... DYL isn't just fighting to accomplish nothing, but he's actively opposing progress. ...How is he doing this? Arguing/fighting, technical synonyms >_> "both sides" rhetoric gets nothing done, honestly I respect Corrik more than that stuff. --- I request affiliated many pipes. Been a bad girl, I know I am. And I'm so hot, I need a fan. I don't want a boy, I need a man. <cite>GuessMyUserName posted [p:881811546] in Politics C... [t:75498517]...</cite> <quote><cite>StealThisSheen posted...</cite> <quote><cite>GuessMyUserName posted...</cite> <quote>DYL isn't just fighting to accomplish nothing, but he's actively opposing progress.</quote> ...How is he doing this?</quote> Arguing/fighting, technical synonyms >_> "both sides" rhetoric gets nothing done, honestly I respect Corrik more than that stuff.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SupremeZero 06/25/17 11:12:48 PM #132:	Dark Young Link posted... Progress? You mean all the things Trump said he'd do... and did the exact opposite of? He hasn't "drained the swamp", he hasn't done a single thing to make the country "great", all he's doing so far is giving me nostalgia for Bush. What positive things has he done? Yes conservatives "fall in line", while ensuring the country drifts further and further apart. But hey, as long as they "win" I guess? Though after the utter embarrassment Democrats inflicted upon themselves, it's unsurprising. ... I think you've missed the point of his accusation. --- There's always hope for better things in life. But you can't let anything, friend, lover,God himself,be your hope. You have to be your own hope <cite>SupremeZero posted [p:881811656] in Politics C... [t:75498517]...</cite> <quote><cite>Dark Young Link posted...</cite> <quote>Progress? You mean all the things Trump said he'd do... and did the exact opposite of? He hasn't "drained the swamp", he hasn't done a single thing to make the country "great", all he's doing so far is giving me nostalgia for Bush. What positive things has he done? Yes conservatives "fall in line", while ensuring the country drifts further and further apart. But hey, as long as they "win" I guess? Though after the utter embarrassment Democrats inflicted upon themselves, it's unsurprising.</quote> ... I think you've missed the point of his accusation.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KamikazePotato 06/25/17 11:12:57 PM #133:	Bugging your constituents is worthless. Some of them have literally unplugged their phones. The only meager power people legitimately possess is their vote, which gets ruined by: 1. Gerrymandering 2. Other people on your side not freaking voting (this is the biggest one. The percent of people in the US that actually vote is embarassing) 3. Not living in a swing state 99.9% of people in the country are more or less helpless to oppose politics. This is why the number of violent occurrences are going to continue to rise. Violence is 100% guaranteed, in all cases, to get some sort of reaction. It may not be the smartest thing to do, but when you take away someone's health insurance that they need to live and give them no outs, people are going to get...stressed. --- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. <cite>KamikazePotato posted [p:881811664] in Politics C... [t:75498517]...</cite> <quote>Bugging your constituents is worthless. Some of them have literally unplugged their phones. The only meager power people legitimately possess is their vote, which gets ruined by: 1. Gerrymandering 2. Other people on your side not freaking voting (this is the biggest one. The percent of people in the US that actually vote is embarassing) 3. Not living in a swing state 99.9% of people in the country are more or less helpless to oppose politics. This is why the number of violent occurrences are going to continue to rise. Violence is 100% guaranteed, in all cases, to get some sort of reaction. It may not be the smartest thing to do, but when you take away someone's health insurance that they need to live and give them no outs, people are going to get...stressed.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SupremeZero 06/25/17 11:13:40 PM #134:	KamikazePotato posted... Bugging your constituents is worthless. Some of them have literally unplugged their phones. The only meager power people legitimately possess is their vote, which gets ruined by: 1. Gerrymandering 2. Other people on your side not freaking voting (this is the biggest one. The percent of people in the US that actually vote is embarassing) 3. Not living in a swing state 99.9% of people in the country are more or less helpless to oppose politics. This is why the number of violent occurrences are going to continue to rise. Violence is 100% guaranteed, in all cases, to get some sort of reaction. It may not be the smartest thing to do, but when you take away someone's health insurance that they need to live and give them no outs, people are going to get...stressed. Random question, why is the "biggest one" number 2. --- There's always hope for better things in life. But you can't let anything, friend, lover,God himself,be your hope. You have to be your own hope <cite>SupremeZero posted [p:881811699] in Politics C... [t:75498517]...</cite> <quote><cite>KamikazePotato posted...</cite> <quote>Bugging your constituents is worthless. Some of them have literally unplugged their phones. The only meager power people legitimately possess is their vote, which gets ruined by: 1. Gerrymandering 2. Other people on your side not freaking voting (this is the biggest one. The percent of people in the US that actually vote is embarassing) 3. Not living in a swing state 99.9% of people in the country are more or less helpless to oppose politics. This is why the number of violent occurrences are going to continue to rise. Violence is 100% guaranteed, in all cases, to get some sort of reaction. It may not be the smartest thing to do, but when you take away someone's health insurance that they need to live and give them no outs, people are going to get...stressed.</quote> Random question, why is the "biggest one" number 2.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GuessMyUserName 06/25/17 11:13:45 PM #135:	Yeah uh, I'm not pro-Trump. But yes, conservatives falling in line gets them a win. It lets them shape the country for decades. --- I request affiliated many pipes. Been a bad girl, I know I am. And I'm so hot, I need a fan. I don't want a boy, I need a man. <cite>GuessMyUserName posted [p:881811703] in Politics C... [t:75498517]...</cite> <quote>Yeah uh, I'm not pro-Trump. But yes, conservatives falling in line gets them a win. It lets them shape the country for decades.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
StealThisSheen 06/25/17 11:14:55 PM #136:	I'm not sure I see what rhetoric he's using? Unless I'm mistaken, he's merely trying to say that to him, if both sides are going to eat your face, anyway, it's better to try and get a different option instead of just hoping one side won't eat your face quite as badly. --- Seplito Nash, Smelling Like the Vault since 1996 Step FOUR! Get Paid! <cite>StealThisSheen posted [p:881811772] in Politics C... [t:75498517]...</cite> <quote>I'm not sure I see what rhetoric he's using? Unless I'm mistaken, he's merely trying to say that to him, if both sides are going to eat your face, anyway, it's better to try and get a different option instead of just hoping one side won't eat your face quite as badly.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SupremeZero 06/25/17 11:15:56 PM #137:	StealThisSheen posted... I'm not sure I see what rhetoric he's using? Unless I'm mistaken, he's merely trying to say that to him, if both sides are going to eat your face, anyway, it's better to try and get a different option instead of just hoping one side won't eat your face quite as badly. In a world where both sides eat an equal amount of face, I suppose. If he feels that both the Lion and the Leopard eat the same amount of face, I guess voting for a Rabbit is okay. Unless it's the Rabbit of Caerbannog, I suppose, that'd absolutely out-face-eat the Lion and Leopard combined. --- There's always hope for better things in life. But you can't let anything, friend, lover,God himself,be your hope. You have to be your own hope <cite>SupremeZero posted [p:881811814] in Politics C... [t:75498517]...</cite> <quote><cite>StealThisSheen posted...</cite> <quote>I'm not sure I see what rhetoric he's using? Unless I'm mistaken, he's merely trying to say that to him, if both sides are going to eat your face, anyway, it's better to try and get a different option instead of just hoping one side won't eat your face quite as badly.</quote> In a world where both sides eat an equal amount of face, I suppose. If he feels that both the Lion and the Leopard eat the same amount of face, I guess voting for a Rabbit is okay. Unless it's the Rabbit of Caerbannog, I suppose, that'd absolutely out-face-eat the Lion and Leopard combined.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BowserCuffs 06/25/17 11:16:41 PM #138:	StealThisSheen posted... I'm not sure I see what rhetoric he's using? Unless I'm mistaken, he's merely trying to say that to him, if both sides are going to eat your face, anyway, it's better to try and get a different option instead of just hoping one side won't eat your face quite as badly. I think the problem, in this case, is that one side promised to eat your face, and not only did the other side not promise to eat your face, but there was evidence supporting the fact that they wouldn't eat your face and were opposed to eating people's faces period. So equating the two of them is disingenuous, especially since voting for a third side helped the side that promised to eat your face eat your face. --- Everyone's best is different. You can't always be the best, but you can always do your best. <cite>BowserCuffs posted [p:881811849] in Politics C... [t:75498517]...</cite> <quote><cite>StealThisSheen posted...</cite> <quote>I'm not sure I see what rhetoric he's using? Unless I'm mistaken, he's merely trying to say that to him, if both sides are going to eat your face, anyway, it's better to try and get a different option instead of just hoping one side won't eat your face quite as badly.</quote> I think the problem, in this case, is that one side promised to eat your face, and not only did the other side not promise to eat your face, but there was evidence supporting the fact that they wouldn't eat your face and were opposed to eating people's faces period. So equating the two of them is disingenuous, especially since voting for a third side helped the side that promised to eat your face eat your face.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KamikazePotato 06/25/17 11:17:43 PM #139:	SupremeZero posted... KamikazePotato posted... Bugging your constituents is worthless. Some of them have literally unplugged their phones. The only meager power people legitimately possess is their vote, which gets ruined by: 1. Gerrymandering 2. Other people on your side not freaking voting (this is the biggest one. The percent of people in the US that actually vote is embarassing) 3. Not living in a swing state 99.9% of people in the country are more or less helpless to oppose politics. This is why the number of violent occurrences are going to continue to rise. Violence is 100% guaranteed, in all cases, to get some sort of reaction. It may not be the smartest thing to do, but when you take away someone's health insurance that they need to live and give them no outs, people are going to get...stressed. Random question, why is the "biggest one" number 2. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the number of Democratic registered people larger than the Republican numbers, but they vote in relatively lower numbers? --- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. <cite>KamikazePotato posted [p:881811887] in Politics C... [t:75498517]...</cite> <quote><cite>SupremeZero posted...</cite> <quote><cite>KamikazePotato posted...</cite> <quote>Bugging your constituents is worthless. Some of them have literally unplugged their phones. The only meager power people legitimately possess is their vote, which gets ruined by: 1. Gerrymandering 2. Other people on your side not freaking voting (this is the biggest one. The percent of people in the US that actually vote is embarassing) 3. Not living in a swing state 99.9% of people in the country are more or less helpless to oppose politics. This is why the number of violent occurrences are going to continue to rise. Violence is 100% guaranteed, in all cases, to get some sort of reaction. It may not be the smartest thing to do, but when you take away someone's health insurance that they need to live and give them no outs, people are going to get...stressed.</quote> Random question, why is the "biggest one" number 2.</quote> Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the number of Democratic registered people larger than the Republican numbers, but they vote in relatively lower numbers?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SupremeZero 06/25/17 11:18:35 PM #140:	KamikazePotato posted... SupremeZero posted... KamikazePotato posted... Bugging your constituents is worthless. Some of them have literally unplugged their phones. The only meager power people legitimately possess is their vote, which gets ruined by: 1. Gerrymandering 2. Other people on your side not freaking voting (this is the biggest one. The percent of people in the US that actually vote is embarassing) 3. Not living in a swing state 99.9% of people in the country are more or less helpless to oppose politics. This is why the number of violent occurrences are going to continue to rise. Violence is 100% guaranteed, in all cases, to get some sort of reaction. It may not be the smartest thing to do, but when you take away someone's health insurance that they need to live and give them no outs, people are going to get...stressed. Random question, why is the "biggest one" number 2. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the number of Democratic registered people larger than the Republican numbers, but they vote in relatively lower numbers? That's not my point, I understand what you're saying fine. But numerically speaking, why is "The biggest reason" cited on the list as bullet point number 2. Should it not be 1. Other people on your side not freaking voting, 2 Gerrymandering, 3 Not living in a swing state? --- There's always hope for better things in life. But you can't let anything, friend, lover,God himself,be your hope. You have to be your own hope <cite>SupremeZero posted [p:881811934] in Politics C... [t:75498517]...</cite> <quote><cite>KamikazePotato posted...</cite> <quote><cite>SupremeZero posted...</cite> <quote><cite>KamikazePotato posted...</cite> <quote>Bugging your constituents is worthless. Some of them have literally unplugged their phones. The only meager power people legitimately possess is their vote, which gets ruined by: 1. Gerrymandering 2. Other people on your side not freaking voting (this is the biggest one. The percent of people in the US that actually vote is embarassing) 3. Not living in a swing state 99.9% of people in the country are more or less helpless to oppose politics. This is why the number of violent occurrences are going to continue to rise. Violence is 100% guaranteed, in all cases, to get some sort of reaction. It may not be the smartest thing to do, but when you take away someone's health insurance that they need to live and give them no outs, people are going to get...stressed.</quote> Random question, why is the "biggest one" number 2.</quote> Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the number of Democratic registered people larger than the Republican numbers, but they vote in relatively lower numbers?</quote> That's not my point, I understand what you're saying fine. But numerically speaking, why is "The biggest reason" cited on the list as bullet point number 2. Should it not be 1. Other people on your side not freaking voting, 2 Gerrymandering, 3 Not living in a swing state?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dark Young Link 06/25/17 11:19:14 PM #141:	I don't see how me presenting an argument is "opposing progress" but okay I guess? And yes I can't magically change things by not approving of both sides, but I don't see much point in joining a side for the sake of convenience. One side proposes too many things I consider a waste of time/money or just completely awful(Like those Bathroom laws they tried to pull). And the other side is too scattered/refuses to show up. There's not much of an option for me there I see. Thus here I am on the fence. That's slowly burning down. >_> --- http://i.imgur.com/gOGzcN4.gif DYL <cite>Dark Young Link posted [p:881811962] in Politics C... [t:75498517]...</cite> <quote>I don't see how me presenting an argument is "opposing progress" but okay I guess? And yes I can't magically change things by not approving of both sides, but I don't see much point in joining a side for the sake of convenience. One side proposes too many things I consider a waste of time/money or just completely awful(Like those Bathroom laws they tried to pull). And the other side is too scattered/refuses to show up. There's not much of an option for me there I see. Thus here I am on the fence. That's slowly burning down. >_></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
StealThisSheen 06/25/17 11:19:15 PM #142:	BowserCuffs posted... So equating the two of them is disingenuous, especially since voting for a third side helped the side that promised to eat your face eat your face. I don't really think it was a case of voting for a third side that did one in It was more "This lion says they're not going to eat my face but they seem incredibly disingenuous and I have a strong feeling they're lying about a lot of the non-face eating they pledge to do. This is not going to make me get out of my chair and vote for them" --- Seplito Nash, Smelling Like the Vault since 1996 Step FOUR! Get Paid! <cite>StealThisSheen posted [p:881811963] in Politics C... [t:75498517]...</cite> <quote><cite>BowserCuffs posted...</cite> <quote>So equating the two of them is disingenuous, especially since voting for a third side helped the side that promised to eat your face eat your face.</quote> I don't really think it was a case of voting for a third side that did one in It was more "This lion says they're not going to eat my face but they seem incredibly disingenuous and I have a strong feeling they're lying about a lot of the non-face eating they pledge to do. This is not going to make me get out of my chair and vote for them"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GuessMyUserName 06/25/17 11:20:04 PM #143:	StealThisSheen posted... I'm not sure I see what rhetoric he's using? Unless I'm mistaken, he's merely trying to say that to him, if both sides are going to eat your face, anyway, it's better to try and get a different option instead of just hoping one side won't eat your face quite as badly. In this metaphor being attempted, Leopards: Republicans Lions: Democrats It's a false equivalency argument that only opposes progressive policies you want from being achieved. --- I request affiliated many pipes. Been a bad girl, I know I am. And I'm so hot, I need a fan. I don't want a boy, I need a man. <cite>GuessMyUserName posted [p:881812005] in Politics C... [t:75498517]...</cite> <quote><cite>StealThisSheen posted...</cite> <quote>I'm not sure I see what rhetoric he's using? Unless I'm mistaken, he's merely trying to say that to him, if both sides are going to eat your face, anyway, it's better to try and get a different option instead of just hoping one side won't eat your face quite as badly.</quote> In this metaphor being attempted, Leopards: Republicans Lions: Democrats It's a false equivalency argument that only opposes progressive policies you want from being achieved.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KamikazePotato 06/25/17 11:20:34 PM #144:	BowserCuffs posted... StealThisSheen posted... I'm not sure I see what rhetoric he's using? Unless I'm mistaken, he's merely trying to say that to him, if both sides are going to eat your face, anyway, it's better to try and get a different option instead of just hoping one side won't eat your face quite as badly. I think the problem, in this case, is that one side promised to eat your face, and not only did the other side not promise to eat your face, but there was evidence supporting the fact that they wouldn't eat your face and were opposed to eating people's faces period. So equating the two of them is disingenuous, especially since voting for a third side helped the side that promised to eat your face eat your face. This is important - I'm not a fan of the Democratic party but the false equivalence of 'both sides are bad' is incredibly dangerous to propogate. It's that kind of rhetoric that made people think that abstaining in the election was the 'smart' thing to do. --- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. <cite>KamikazePotato posted [p:881812030] in Politics C... [t:75498517]...</cite> <quote><cite>BowserCuffs posted...</cite> <quote><cite>StealThisSheen posted...</cite> <quote>I'm not sure I see what rhetoric he's using? Unless I'm mistaken, he's merely trying to say that to him, if both sides are going to eat your face, anyway, it's better to try and get a different option instead of just hoping one side won't eat your face quite as badly.</quote> I think the problem, in this case, is that one side promised to eat your face, and not only did the other side not promise to eat your face, but there was evidence supporting the fact that they wouldn't eat your face and were opposed to eating people's faces period. So equating the two of them is disingenuous, especially since voting for a third side helped the side that promised to eat your face eat your face.</quote> This is important - I'm not a fan of the Democratic party but the false equivalence of 'both sides are bad' is incredibly dangerous to propogate. It's that kind of rhetoric that made people think that abstaining in the election was the 'smart' thing to do.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SupremeZero 06/25/17 11:21:25 PM #145:	StealThisSheen posted... BowserCuffs posted... So equating the two of them is disingenuous, especially since voting for a third side helped the side that promised to eat your face eat your face. I don't really think it was a case of voting for a third side that did one in It was more "This lion says they're not going to eat my face but they seem incredibly disingenuous and I have a strong feeling they're lying about a lot of the non-face eating they pledge to do. This is not going to make me get out of my chair and vote for them" Except that unless you believe they're going to eat the same amount of face, they still aren't equal. --- There's always hope for better things in life. But you can't let anything, friend, lover,God himself,be your hope. You have to be your own hope <cite>SupremeZero posted [p:881812067] in Politics C... [t:75498517]...</cite> <quote><cite>StealThisSheen posted...</cite> <quote><cite>BowserCuffs posted...</cite> <quote>So equating the two of them is disingenuous, especially since voting for a third side helped the side that promised to eat your face eat your face.</quote> I don't really think it was a case of voting for a third side that did one in It was more "This lion says they're not going to eat my face but they seem incredibly disingenuous and I have a strong feeling they're lying about a lot of the non-face eating they pledge to do. This is not going to make me get out of my chair and vote for them"</quote> Except that unless you believe they're going to eat the same amount of face, they still aren't equal.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
woodman 06/25/17 11:21:37 PM #146:	Every one of the last 20 posts has missed the point of the one that they were responding to. --- NFUN nice <cite>woodman posted [p:881812078] in Politics C... [t:75498517]...</cite> <quote>Every one of the last 20 posts has missed the point of the one that they were responding to.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dark Young Link 06/25/17 11:21:51 PM #147:	BowserCuffs posted... I think the problem, in this case, is that one side promised to eat your face, and not only did the other side not promise to eat your face, but there was evidence supporting the fact that they wouldn't eat your face and were opposed to eating people's faces period. So equating the two of them is disingenuous, especially since voting for a third side helped the side that promised to eat your face eat your face. Well the issue is that I strongly don't believe the bolded to be true. Unless we're going back to the analogy and not reflecting on real life events in which case >_> (The last sentence is dangerously close to "You should have voted for the less bad person!") --- http://i.imgur.com/gOGzcN4.gif DYL <cite>Dark Young Link posted [p:881812090] in Politics C... [t:75498517]...</cite> <quote><cite>BowserCuffs posted...</cite> <quote>I think the problem, in this case, is that one side promised to eat your face, and not only did the other side not promise to eat your face, but there was evidence supporting the fact that they wouldn't eat your face and were opposed to eating people's faces period. So equating the two of them is disingenuous, especially since voting for a third side helped the side that promised to eat your face eat your face.</quote> Well the issue is that I strongly don't believe the bolded to be true. Unless we're going back to the analogy and not reflecting on real life events in which case >_> (The last sentence is dangerously close to "You should have voted for the less bad person!")</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KamikazePotato 06/25/17 11:22:13 PM #148:	SupremeZero posted... Should it not be 1. Other people on your side not freaking voting, 2 Gerrymandering, 3 Not living in a swing state? I wasn't really thinking of it like that when I wrote it at, the parenthesis portion was an afterthought after writing the list up. I'm pretty stream-of-consciousness when writing stuff up! --- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. <cite>KamikazePotato posted [p:881812108] in Politics C... [t:75498517]...</cite> <quote><cite>SupremeZero posted...</cite> <quote>Should it not be 1. Other people on your side not freaking voting, 2 Gerrymandering, 3 Not living in a swing state?</quote> I wasn't really thinking of it like that when I wrote it at, the parenthesis portion was an afterthought after writing the list up. I'm pretty stream-of-consciousness when writing stuff up!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SupremeZero 06/25/17 11:22:56 PM #149:	Dark Young Link posted... BowserCuffs posted... I think the problem, in this case, is that one side promised to eat your face, and not only did the other side not promise to eat your face, but there was evidence supporting the fact that they wouldn't eat your face and were opposed to eating people's faces period. So equating the two of them is disingenuous, especially since voting for a third side helped the side that promised to eat your face eat your face. Well the issue is that I strongly don't believe the bolded to be true. Unless we're going back to the analogy and not reflecting on real life events in which case >_> (The last sentence is dangerously close to "You should have voted for the less bad person!") That is what he's accusing you and other leftists who do not vote of, yes. --- There's always hope for better things in life. But you can't let anything, friend, lover,God himself,be your hope. You have to be your own hope <cite>SupremeZero posted [p:881812152] in Politics C... [t:75498517]...</cite> <quote><cite>Dark Young Link posted...</cite> <quote><cite>BowserCuffs posted...</cite> <quote>I think the problem, in this case, is that one side promised to eat your face, and not only did the other side not promise to eat your face, but there was evidence supporting the fact that they wouldn't eat your face and were opposed to eating people's faces period. So equating the two of them is disingenuous, especially since voting for a third side helped the side that promised to eat your face eat your face.</quote> Well the issue is that I strongly don't believe the bolded to be true. Unless we're going back to the analogy and not reflecting on real life events in which case >_> (The last sentence is dangerously close to "You should have voted for the less bad person!")</quote> That is what he's accusing you and other leftists who do not vote of, yes.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
StealThisSheen 06/25/17 11:23:16 PM #150:	I mean, I got completely torn apart in these topics for saying it was dumb to keep supporting Bernie and people needed to unite under Hillary when it was clear he wasn't going to win This is an interesting 180 from then. Probably different people, I assume, but still. --- Seplito Nash, Smelling Like the Vault since 1996 Step FOUR! Get Paid! <cite>StealThisSheen posted [p:881812162] in Politics C... [t:75498517]...</cite> <quote>I mean, I got completely torn apart in these topics for saying it was dumb to keep supporting Bernie and people needed to unite under Hillary when it was clear he wasn't going to win This is an interesting 180 from then. Probably different people, I assume, but still.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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