Board 8 > A Feast For Crows Mafia: Topic 10 - Fire Consumes, But Cold Preserves

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I have admitted that I got Shad and Stan's votes confused.

I have also admitted that I thought Nana got more pressure on Day 1.

I literally don't know what else you all want from me.

My Immortal posted...

Did red seriously refused me to ask why people shouldn't suspect him but then ask VI the same question

Seriously

Basically, what I'm saying is, there were a lot of circumstances, especially earlier on, that should have pointed to me being town.

Today, hell no. This morning is the first time I've really been here. But beyond that, especially since I've been town all these games in a row, people should have a better read on me when I'm being genuine.
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It's three hours of reading and notes. The comment was only meant to pertain to the timing of Han's vote which I thought was odd and might say something about Nana. This is FAR from my #1 reason I think Nana is scum, there are three whole damn posts about it back at the beginning of the day.

If we're going to keep focusing on an accidentally misleading comment I made, I'm seriously not going to last the day without screaming at everybody.

Vengeful_KBM posted...

I have admitted that I got Shad and Stan's votes confused.

I have also admitted that I thought Nana got more pressure on Day 1.

I literally don't know what else you all want from me.

So, let's checklist:

1) You admit that in your detailed reread that you confused votes.

2) You admit that in your detailed reread that I didn't have the pressure that you thought I had

3) Day 4 You said "Nana is obviously town to me."

So, at this point, you've admitted that things involving me were not the same as you thought they were during your detailed reread, but you're still using that argument to try to get me lynched?
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Beyond that, were I scum, I had every opportunity to push the last couple of days in a way that would absolutely fuck town. Did I? Not in the slightest. And I know its been awhile, but have you guys ever seen me throw my scummates to the wolves? To hell with that. If town is being dumb I will help carry them along and fuck them. Scum me runs the MI/Death narrative to the ground today, drags a vanilla down to end the day and then wins the damn game.
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Vengeful_KBM posted...

It's three hours of reading and notes. The comment was only meant to pertain to the timing of Han's vote which I thought was odd and might say something about Nana. This is FAR from my #1 reason I think Nana is scum, there are three whole damn posts about it back at the beginning of the day.

If we're going to keep focusing on an accidentally misleading comment I made, I'm seriously not going to last the day without screaming at everybody.

ITS NOT ACCIDENTALLY MISLEADING WHEN YOU WERE CALLED OUT ON IT AND (in MI's words) DOUBLED DOWN ON CONTINUING THE FARCE
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Nanahara715 posted...

1) You admit that in your detailed reread that you confused votes.

Yes.

Nanahara715 posted...

2) You admit that in your detailed reread that I didn't have the pressure that you thought I had

Yes. Although these two points are literally the same thing, i.e. a single comment that I made. Tangible proof here that you are purposely blowing this out of all proportion.

Nanahara715 posted...

3) Day 4 You said "Nana is obviously town to me."

This is a lie. Please lynch the scum.

Basically, what that last post is saying, I am 1000x more confident playing this game as scum than I am as town. If you see less confidence in myself, I'm probably town(For the record, this is confidence in being able to lynch scum, don't misconstrue it as self-confidence. I have plenty of that). Not that I can't fake it, especially if someone annoys the hell out of me day 1 like FFD(I did think there was an even shot day 1 of him being scum.).
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Jeez this Nana/KBM thing is a mess

Might have to get rid of one of them now
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If you want any further explanation feel free to ask MI and i'll humor you.
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*in fairness, MI only said "doubled down", not "doubled down on this farce"
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Nanahara715 posted...

Nana - Town. I've seen nothing to change my mind back to my original read here - likely town Puns saying one of the two of us has to be scum doesn't really change that either, as I have to go with how I feel. He seems to genuine and too earnest in his cluelessness to be anything else (and if you are scum, well, you've played a surprisingly good game so good on you, but you're certainly not my target for today even though you probably expect to be).
t

It's not exactly a lie.
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Nanahara715 posted...

ITS NOT ACCIDENTALLY MISLEADING WHEN YOU WERE CALLED OUT ON IT AND (in MI's words) DOUBLED DOWN ON CONTINUING THE FARCE

Jesus %$&@ing Christ.

ALL I have done on this subject is try to contextualize what I meant by that comment. I was reading the game focusing on the things that confirmed scum had done. The timing of Han's vote was weird and suspicious. That's LITERALLY ALL I was trying to communicate.

VeryInsane posted...

Jeez this Nana/KBM thing is a mess

Might have to get rid of one of them now

Do it. Just deal with this first. If you have to go through me so be it, just lynch Nana next for all the lies he's spun the whole goddamn game to try and get me lynched.

red13n posted...

My Immortal posted...

Did red seriously refused me to ask why people shouldn't suspect him but then ask VI the same question

Seriously

If you want the answer to why people should think I'm town its my general reaction to things. And you should know my scumplay better, I can't resist picking someone thats town thats unconfirmed and latching myself on to them to hell and back. Not to mention I'm much more calculating than that and wouldn't let two scum go down to totally uncomfirmed stuff. The reason I told you I would ask the opposite question("What makes you think I'm scum?") is that this doesn't match where my scumplay would be.

you say you cant resist, but you can
and scum knowing their own tells makes them nultells in the end
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Leo3L posted...

Nanahara715 posted...

Nana - Town. I've seen nothing to change my mind back to my original read here - likely town Puns saying one of the two of us has to be scum doesn't really change that either, as I have to go with how I feel. He seems to genuine and too earnest in his cluelessness to be anything else (and if you are scum, well, you've played a surprisingly good game so good on you, but you're certainly not my target for today even though you probably expect to be).
t

It's not exactly a lie.

Where in that does the word "obvious" show up

Vengeful_KBM posted...

Nanahara715 posted...

1) You admit that in your detailed reread that you confused votes.

Yes.

Nanahara715 posted...

2) You admit that in your detailed reread that I didn't have the pressure that you thought I had

Yes. Although these two points are literally the same thing, i.e. a single comment that I made. Tangible proof here that you are purposely blowing this out of all proportion.

Nanahara715 posted...

3) Day 4 You said "Nana is obviously town to me."

This is a lie. Please lynch the scum.

LITERALLY POST 300 OF TOPIC 8 THAT HAS BEEN WUOTED TEICE TODAY.

"I've seen nothing to convince me that Nana isn't town."

Like, it's even quoted in this fucking topic.
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That seems like a semantic argument if your gripe is the worst obvious. The important bit is a not insizeable town read on Nana last day
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Vengeful_KBM posted...

Nanahara715 posted...

ITS NOT ACCIDENTALLY MISLEADING WHEN YOU WERE CALLED OUT ON IT AND (in MI's words) DOUBLED DOWN ON CONTINUING THE FARCE

Jesus %$&@ing Christ.

ALL I have done on this subject is try to contextualize what I meant by that comment. I was reading the game focusing on the things that confirmed scum had done. The timing of Han's vote was weird and suspicious. That's LITERALLY ALL I was trying to communicate.

But you don't even get the timing and the events and surrounding Han's votes right. How does that happen?
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"I've seen nothing to change my mind back to my original read"

does not fucking mean

"I've seen nothing to convince me that Nana isn't town."

Stop misquoting me, I swear to God.

htaeD posted...

red13n posted...

My Immortal posted...

Did red seriously refused me to ask why people shouldn't suspect him but then ask VI the same question

Seriously

If you want the answer to why people should think I'm town its my general reaction to things. And you should know my scumplay better, I can't resist picking someone thats town thats unconfirmed and latching myself on to them to hell and back. Not to mention I'm much more calculating than that and wouldn't let two scum go down to totally uncomfirmed stuff. The reason I told you I would ask the opposite question("What makes you think I'm scum?") is that this doesn't match where my scumplay would be.

you say you cant resist, but you can
and scum knowing their own tells makes them nultells in the end

No, it doesn't. I know my tells and I am confident enough to pass them off as town.

You don't understand the value in this game in just being able to push people around. Its why I always find it strange when scum doesn't fight when they aren't completely fucked(When completely fucked, do what shad did and stfu. Don't do what Han did and roll over).
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I reread the game and saw things to go back to my original read. This is not hard.

Vengeful_KBM posted...

Leo3L posted...

Nanahara715 posted...

Nana - Town. I've seen nothing to change my mind back to my original read here - likely town Puns saying one of the two of us has to be scum doesn't really change that either, as I have to go with how I feel. He seems to genuine and too earnest in his cluelessness to be anything else (and if you are scum, well, you've played a surprisingly good game so good on you, but you're certainly not my target for today even though you probably expect to be).
t

It's not exactly a lie.

Where in that does the word "obvious" show up

let me try and parse this post
what was your 'original read' on Nana?
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Vengeful_KBM posted...

"I've seen nothing to change my mind back to my original read"

does not fucking mean

"I've seen nothing to convince me that Nana isn't town."

Stop misquoting me, I swear to God.

Don't you call him "Likely town" after that line
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btw if we're being dumb and its just the obvious answer of kbm/nana scumteam fuck everything.
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Seriously this is like the fifth time Nana has purposely misquoted me. How are you and supposedly all of your other mason buddies too lazy to think this is an issue, Leo?

red13n posted...

If you want any further explanation feel free to ask MI and i'll humor you.

It does help me get more insight in you, but at the same time I don't really feel like I can trust what you say about your own play in this game.
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LIKELY

IS

NOT

OBVIOUS.

I reread the game once I had new information.

I reread the game once I had new information.

I reread the game once I had new information.

My Immortal posted...

red13n posted...

If you want any further explanation feel free to ask MI and i'll humor you.

It does help me get more insight in you, but at the same time I don't really feel like I can trust what you say about your own play in this game.

Damn it MI. We go through this like every damn game. At some point you are going to have to be able to read me.
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Besides holy shit the "likely town" part of that sentence is talking about Puns.

Nanahara715 posted...

Vengeful_KBM posted...

Nanahara715 posted...

ITS NOT ACCIDENTALLY MISLEADING WHEN YOU WERE CALLED OUT ON IT AND (in MI's words) DOUBLED DOWN ON CONTINUING THE FARCE

Jesus %$&@ing Christ.

ALL I have done on this subject is try to contextualize what I meant by that comment. I was reading the game focusing on the things that confirmed scum had done. The timing of Han's vote was weird and suspicious. That's LITERALLY ALL I was trying to communicate.

But you don't even get the timing and the events and surrounding Han's votes right. How does that happen?

And this is even more abrasive given that YOU were posting about my lynch not being Viable at the same time / right before "Han's vote means he's covering for Nana." How do you miss your own post?
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Vengeful_KBM posted...

Besides holy shit the "likely town" part of that sentence is talking about Puns.

Quoting for extra emphasis

No, it doesn't. I know my tells and I am confident enough to pass them off as town.

You don't understand the value in this game in just being able to push people around. Its why I always find it strange when scum doesn't fight when they aren't completely f***ed(When completely f***ed, do what shad did and stfu. Don't do what Han did and roll over).

well thats what I meant
if one can fake towntells, towntells are worthless

I agree on the latter point tho
though at this point I can still expect scum to try and hide in the masses
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That last one is my bad
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I still have to admit though that Nana's play this game is either pretty brilliant or mind-numbingly stupid.

I HAVE to believe he is scum because I like giving people the benefit of the doubt and assuming they're not stupid. It didn't work with the FFD lynch but I guess I'm an optimist because I think it'll work here anyway.

My Immortal posted...

red13n posted...

If you want any further explanation feel free to ask MI and i'll humor you.

It does help me get more insight in you, but at the same time I don't really feel like I can trust what you say about your own play in this game.

Also it doesn't help but, I will never double quote you like I did this morning as scum. I am super super careful about what I post when scum. Literally everything is a part of the plan. I probably wouldn't even wake up this morning and post if I were scum. Because I know morning me. Morning me is me at like 30% capacity.
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Have I ever actually seen scum-red?

I feel like you've always been town but I might be blanking on something.
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Also Red telling me to calm down got me to step away for a half an hour but maybe I should do another half hour because this is getting me really upset. I might owe some apologies later.

But probably not because from where I'm sitting Nana is such goddamn obvious scum it's ridiculous.

My Immortal posted...

Have I ever actually seen scum-red?

I feel like you've always been town but I might be blanking on something.

We've played enough I figure you had to at some point. I was scum a lot in earlier b8 mafia days.

Been mostly town for a good while though.
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Nana, MI, and KBM have all gotten extremely upset this game and I doubt all three are town, so at least one person is capable of pressing the caps lock key while not actually being in a frothing rage
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Vengeful_KBM posted...

Also Red telling me to calm down got me to step away for a half an hour but maybe I should do another half hour because this is getting me really upset. I might owe some apologies later.

But probably not because from where I'm sitting Nana is such goddamn obvious scum it's ridiculous.

Yeah any time you start delving into personal attacks is a good time to step away and take a breath.
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I didn't play in earlier b8 mafia days though. I can't think of a game I've seen you as scum off hand.
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Vengeful_KBM posted...

LIKELY

IS

NOT

OBVIOUS.

I reread the game once I had new information.

I reread the game once I had new information.

I reread the game once I had new information.

I don't buy this.

I mean, you voted for me at the end of DAy 4 with less than 20 second left. Clearly it didn't take you a reread to decide "I was scum."
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red13n posted...

Vengeful_KBM posted...

Also Red telling me to calm down got me to step away for a half an hour but maybe I should do another half hour because this is getting me really upset. I might owe some apologies later.

But probably not because from where I'm sitting Nana is such goddamn obvious scum it's ridiculous.

Yeah any time you start delving into personal attacks is a good time to step away and take a breath.

In fairness I've gotten personally attacked a *lot* in mafia. I know it's not personal. Chris and I are still friends, after all.

Nanahara715 posted...

I don't buy this.

I mean, you voted for me at the end of DAy 4 with less than 20 second left. Clearly it didn't take you a reread to decide "I was scum."

You looked really bad at the end of Day 4 and I'm not the only person who thought so.

okay sidenquestion then

Shad and Han both threw themselves at me for increasingly weaker and weaker reasons, while Chris played good cop to keep his hands clean (but if anyone knew I was power, it would be him, so probably he just wanted me to say it)
do you think KBM would also push me if she was scum too? (she did vote me, and I didnt like that vote at the time.. still dont)
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Hey, I only got upset once this game. That's pretty good for me.
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My Immortal posted...

I didn't play in earlier b8 mafia days though. I can't think of a game I've seen you as scum off hand.

Its entirely possible you havent(To my own disappointment, I have been town a lot). I could have sworn you came after me once for something completely stupid I'd have done as town and that I was actually scum that game. But maybe I'm mixing you up with someone else.

You and KBM come after me literally every game(Which KBM has taken advantage of as scum once), usually on day 1. It annoys the hell out of me.
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Although MI/KBM implies extremely cohesive scumteam Day 2


Hm
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Btw chris since I know your probably following this I was clicking various mafia archives to check and to do so I had to scroll over Disney mafia.

Go die in a fire.

Apologies to everyone else for having to read this.
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