Board 8 > A Feast For Crows Mafia: Topic 10 - Fire Consumes, But Cold Preserves

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Leo3L posted...

Before today ends, everyone should make their opinion known on every other player.

MI: Scum. Too much protection.

KBM: Probably also scum based on how she's misconstruing and making stuff up. She claims that "Nana has suspected me all game and done nothing", when she's done the same thing. Claims that Puns/Shad were covering for me day 1, but that's not true when you go back and read both the games and the votals, even if I were scum.

Red: don't like how he misconstrued my statements on Leo. If KBM isn't scum, it's Red.

VI: I feel reasonably fine on VI, considering I feel he hasnt done anything. Honestly, he's a lot like MI minus the protection claim - they ended day 1 together on Dowolf, they both MLd Dowolf day 2, they both gunned for me yesterday. Meh.

Leo: I think he's probably an Indy, but that doesn't really matter because there's no reason to lynch him anyways. Having even numbers means scum can't benefit from a quick hammer and they can't shoot him.

Death and Puns im putting together - could really go either way. I liked Puns yesterday, got paranoid, like him more now. I'll buy Death 100% if we see a roleblocker flip.
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gonna be heading home later than usual tonight. I went into work a couple hours late today because I was up too late, oops. so I've been trying to keep myself from reading the game at work today. I'll catch up once I'm home and probably vote someone. currently I think one of MI, KBM, or Nana should be our target
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Its going to be very interesting if we were playing a game of protect the fuck out of the lone scanner cop. But scum having an unblockable makes that make considerably less sense.

I don't think odds are high of MI and Nana being the same alignment so today should work out one way or the other, eventually
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Arti posted...

Tag

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Leo3L posted...

Before today ends, everyone should make their opinion known on every other player.

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I think my opinions have been made super clear

Town:
VI
Death
Leo
Puns

Scum in here:
Nana
KBM
Red
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##Vote: Nana
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Leo have you said anything about red today

Think he's town
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My Immortal posted...

I think my opinions have been made super clear

Town:
VI
Death
Leo
Puns

Scum in here:
Nana
KBM
Red

So we are both saying [the other person], KBM, then Red?
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Guess so!

Are you suggesting we attempt to lynch one of them rather than each other? Which would you pick?
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You can drag a horse to water but you can't make them vote.

MI[2]: Leo, Nana
Nana[2]: KBM, (Leo), MI


With 8 alive it takes 5 to lynch (early)! Day ends on Friday at 9 PM (CT)!
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home now, and sober!

had a stray thought bouncing around today:

DoomTheGyarados - Victarion Greyjoy, GREYJOY Persistant Strongman Vigilante

I've only ever seen strongman or assassin or vigilante, never strongman vigilante on the same role. I'm thinking any shot from Chris might have been a strongman shot, and the vigilante part indicated he had one extra shot?
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I'll write up my thoughts on everyone once I've read in a bit
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Scum
KBM
MI
Nana*
red
Leo
Death
T-Puns
Lord VI
Town

*If MI is scum my thoughts on Nana being Town skyrocket
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Sure, I can do a list like that from my phone too.

Scum

Nana
Red
Death
MI
VI
Leo
Puns

Town
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bng_mmmk posted...

home now, and sober!

had a stray thought bouncing around today:

DoomTheGyarados - Victarion Greyjoy, GREYJOY Persistant Strongman Vigilante

I've only ever seen strongman or assassin or vigilante, never strongman vigilante on the same role. I'm thinking any shot from Chris might have been a strongman shot, and the vigilante part indicated he had one extra shot?

I considered that this is a rolecop equivalent Godfather... right? Rolecop hits Chris, he scans as a Vig, and why would Mafia have a Vig?

There's no rolecop though.
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Ok, first I want to talk about how last day ended for a minute.

The crux of it is Nana's mindset. Even when he did acknowledge my posts to him, he still didn't address the actual question about Han's content. Instead of respond to questioning, his first instinct for the final 15 minutes was to go all out defensive instead of just sharing his mind on Han. Doesn't feel at all like town.

In his first two sentences, he:

-says me reading his day 4 in ISO is "a crock of shit" and "lazy". Like, how do you come off making that claim? Should we just discuss for days 1 and 2 and then only show up to vote each day beyond that?

-says I take things out of context. I literally read every single post he made in the day and commented on his overall contribution (or lack thereof) to the discussion. I would argue that it was perfectly in context.

-extends my very clear point of "Nana didn't talk about Han today" to be "Nana didn't talk about Han EVER" which is pretty much just smearing mud on my face.

He got out of trivia and saw a post a few paragraphs long that was about him, and his immediate response was to tear it to shreds. Even went as far as preemptively defending himself from me for the next day ("If Han flips scum, I'm sure you will say tomorrow that it 'damns me' or something.") How ironic that he actually started out today saying Han flipping scum damned me.

And keep in mind that prior to that kneejerk from Nana I was more town in his mind than Jeff.

(Day 4 ending votals)
[5] Han: Puns, Leo, Jeff, red, Nana
[3] Nana: MI, VI, KBM
[2] KBM: (Leo), Han, Death

Everyone voted yesterday and we had 50% not voting Han, so by no means was the lynch a for sure thing. It's true Nana had called Han scum the previous day, but that doesn't mean jack shit if he does nothing to encourage Han's lynch and only tacks on a vote once the matter is settled. Then he started today describing it as the towny thing to do was to vote late. It's just flat out not true.

The way votes fell yesterday makes a lot of sense to me if exactly one scum is in Nana/KBM. Because the notion of scum kinda waiting around testing the waters on a Han lynch makes less sense if Nana and KBM are both scum. Because it was pretty clear nobody other than those three would have been lynched.

Based on day 4 and what I've read of day 5 I would lynch Nana before KBM. But there's more to consider too so now to get to that.
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bng_mmmk posted...

I've only ever seen strongman or assassin or vigilante, never strongman vigilante on the same role. I'm thinking any shot from Chris might have been a strongman shot, and the vigilante part indicated he had one extra shot?

That has been my theory for a couple days.

OH

So "Persistent Strongman" just means that all of Chris's shots are Strongman and none of this "his shot gets around the bus drive but also tells him that his shot was redirected to Pun's, but killed Stan anyway".

If that's true, killing Boko N2 cost scum the game on a couple of different levels.
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In retrospect this is all super obvious but I was thrown for the longest time by shooting Boko N2. Also I have yet to see a compelling hypothetical argument for how scum found out about the bus drive.
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Leo3L posted...

OH

So "Persistent Strongman" just means that all of Chris's shots are Strongman and none of this "his shot gets around the bus drive but also tells him that his shot was redirected to Pun's, but killed Stan anyway".

If that's true, killing Boko N2 cost scum the game on a couple of different levels.

I was thinking the Strongman as more of just a constant thing on its own

like

Persistent - can't be redirected/blocked
Strongman - targets you shoot can't be saved
Vigilante - you get one extra shot


I read up, thoughts inc
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alright I'm properly caught up. Things that stand out to me today:

I like KBM after today. She looks good for consistently sticking to her reads and not using role meta as a driving point for her vote/opinions. Also not letting other people push her around which reads to me as townie. This is somewhat invalidated if MI flips scum.

red feels like he's kinda slipping by and only chiming in to make sure people "toe the line" so to speak. Like he feels very reactive which I'm starting to get a little paranoid over. I can see him as a potential scum partner to Nana based on him shutting Nana up (or trying to) talking about Leo and independent hunting. Seemed like back-handing a teammate for being dumb/scummy. Also, Nana could have been being somewhat honest about scum's angle when mentioning the Han lynch was a planned thing in this scenario. Fits decently.

I don't feel great calling MI scum. He's felt truly deflated which makes sense if he's honest, and I never sense myself wanting to chime in and challenge his posts. The fact that I agree largely with his scum read of Nana plays into that. And when I entertain the idea of MI coming out with his claim as scum I get that feeling I've come to recognize as me trying too hard to make something fit. I give him points for attacking Leo's "slip" the way he did because it's taking a harder path than necessary for scum to try and omgus Leo in that situation. This also is similar to how I feel about his reaction to Leo again today when Leo claimed Scare's role.


in this moment I feel that

Scum

Nana
red
MI
VI
KBM
death
Leo
puns

Town

with the following caveats:

town nana flip moves MI (and by extension KBM) higher up the scale above red
scum MI flip moves KBM up to the scummier side

VI is just sort of there because he doesn't fit anywhere else. Occam's puts death above him and I get good vibes from KBM, but I don't have any particularly bad feelings from VI nor is there any role meta whispering in my ear like with MI. And Fuck You Chris did you try that hard to lynch a buddy? lol.

##Vote: Nana

Shooting in the vanillas still makes the most sense today. If we get a blocker or other power flip from scum, that can make previous events a lot clearer and let whatever setup meta we use later be more educated.

As for my setup thoughts. If scum had a permanent strongman, I care less about the jack. And the thought struck me that we saw a godfather and had no miller claims which makes me feel like part of the theme was to have us doubt claims in other ways. Lynch protector and backup support that idea.

I also want to mention again it's pretty possible if MI is town that scum tried to target me in some way and got redirected. Another scum power flip might shed light on that, like if they had a tracker and a watcher or something.
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...How often does scum strongman get listed as a permanent role/one use?

I just thought the persistent strongman vigilante was all just the one extra shot
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I will sleep on that Pun's post.

It's funny how much of a side meta has cropped up with B8's love of making up or renaming role names

Like just knowing what Scare's role meant changed a lot of perspectives. I doubt we'll know what persistant means until the game ends.
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VeryInsane posted...

...How often does scum strongman get listed as a permanent role/one use?

I just thought the persistent strongman vigilante was all just the one extra shot

I don't know, I just tend to think in terms of one word per aspect of the role. I feel like it's something hosts all have their own take on in terms of whether strongman is inherently an extra shot or is it equivalent to assassin, etc.
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mainly the "Strongman Vigilante" seems redundant which is why I think they mean different things and aren't just using two words to say you can shoot someone.
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Feel like Suprak's just using that to trick you

Also, KBM's readss are quite different from yesterday's, fwiw
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Vi, I trust you like one of my own masons. Guide my hand with wisdom this day
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VeryInsane posted...

Feel like Suprak's just using that to trick you

Also, KBM's readss are quite different from yesterday's, fwiw

Well that's not entirely surprising if she reread the majority of the game.

Which ones in particular though? I know she called Nana scum end of yesterday and stayed consistent on me too I think. And she mentioned liking MI more after reading past days.
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I found out what persistent means by looking at 2016!

Just means immune to redirects.
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##Unvote

That's why you're the best, VI
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bng_mmmk posted...

VeryInsane posted...

Feel like Suprak's just using that to trick you

Also, KBM's readss are quite different from yesterday's, fwiw

Well that's not entirely surprising if she reread the majority of the game.

Which ones in particular though? I know she called Nana scum end of yesterday and stayed consistent on me too I think. And she mentioned liking MI more after reading past days.

I know KBM thought I was scum... there was a wall of sorts, let me try to find it
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Moooooo.

Nana[3]: KBM, (Leo), MI, Puns
MI[1]: (Leo), Nana


With 8 alive it takes 5 to lynch (early)! Day ends on Friday at 9 PM (CT)!
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Anyway, thoughts on the current state of the game. In fact, let's go one by one:

Puns - Probably town. The optics of the game have just worked better the whole time when I've made that assumption.

Han - I... don't know. He's seemed pointlessly irritable the whole game but I can't tell if it's an act or just "Han feeling irritable". No read.

Death - My gut earlier said that he was scum. He's my probable "sixth man" if we're assuming a six-man scumteam, but I could just as easily see him being town.

Jeff - Almost certainly town, unless Jeff shooting Chris was some kind of insane scum gambit to vindicate Jeff through to the end of the game. That small possibility keeps nagging at me, but that's something to pursue later (if there even is a later; I'm dreading this being a lylo situation).

Red - Probably scum. This is a gut feeling.

Leo - I have been mostly taking his claim as read, which is a read that only becomes stronger when MI tries to take it apart (see below). Town.

MI - Trying to spin my interactions with Chris into largely nonsensical points against me. I have said several times that my and Chris' interactions make sense regardless of our alignment so trying to pigeon-hole me into an alignment based on those interactions just because we have a flip on him is foolish. As I have said, I was prodding Chris a whole bunch of different ways to see how he would react, and had some material ready to use it against him on D3 so I could provide something. This admittedly looks horrible for me since I never got to use it and wasn't free apart from that, but there you go. I'm not entirely accustomed to him dying on N2 (although, again, my memory, I'm sure it's happened.) The icing on top of all of this is that to have a Jack on top of everything just feels like the last straw on the camel's back in terms of "power overload". My strongest scum read.

Nana - Town. I've seen nothing to change my mind back to my original read here - likely town Puns saying one of the two of us has to be scum doesn't really change that either, as I have to go with how I feel. He seems to genuine and too earnest in his cluelessness to be anything else (and if you are scum, well, you've played a surprisingly good game so good on you, but you're certainly not my target for today even though you probably expect to be).

VI - Pushing me very hard all of a sudden. I'm starting to think Chris might have been trying to pull one of his patented "lynches on a scum mate to make himself look better" with his insistence on the VI lynch at the end of Day 2.

That was near the beginning of Day 4.
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It's kind of funny that something like that confirms MI town so cleanly but just..nobody ever looked
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Nanahara715 posted...

KBM: Probably also scum based on how she's misconstruing and making stuff up. She claims that "Nana has suspected me all game and done nothing", when she's done the same thing. Claims that Puns/Shad were covering for me day 1, but that's not true when you go back and read both the games and the votals, even if I were scum.

So let me just respond to this once and for all; I don't think I need to go wading through the archives again for this really.

- I'm not misconstruing anything or making anything up. If either one of us is doing this, it's you.
- When I say you've "done nothing" I specifically mean with your vote. Which you haven't. And you haven't addressed this any of the times I've brought it up, either.
- I never claimed Puns was doing anything, Puns is town. You're getting wrapped up in your own lies. Han is the one who in hindsight cast a vote that may have been partially to counter the pressure that was mounting on you at the time. The pressure was NOT all in votes - a lot of people were talking about how bad you looked at the very same time. This is what I have been trying to make clear. The votals are secondary to this.

I feel like Suprak has put in red herring roles in the past but I don't remember

Who has the setup for GOT3 or whatever
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I mean if Nana flips town I'll still want to lynch MI
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Tywin – Untargetable Scan Skull****er. SOUNDS SUPER SCARY OOOOO. But…actually not at all. I designed this so the name would sound way more scary than what he could actually do. It was meant to flip and cause you to think about each and every innocent/clearing scan you had. Didn’t really help he was the last to go, but hey that’s fine. He could reverse one cop scan, one tracker, one watch, and one prosty scan. The prosty scan was 100% useless. The watch was worse than useless, as he’d show up on the person he was targeting instead so you were really just swapping one scum for another. Both the track and cop flips could in fact be useful, but it would require them to target the person the cop/tracker was also targeting at the same time as the flip only lasted for the night. A ton of guesswork, and I anticipated them just missing with these (and they did). Even if they did hit I wouldn’t feel bad, as once this role flipped you should be questioning all scans so it basically required this person to 1) have some incredible guessing skills and 2) stay alive for the duration of the game for it to be really effective. And the untargetable bit was a way to prevent truly damning scans from the scanners, but still throw suspicion his way if he was targeted. I mean, yeah the cop scanned him day 1 and then spent the entire next day trying to get him lynched anyway. Plus, while the cop/tracker/flavor scanner couldn’t get a dead to rights scan on him, other roles could get “soft” sorts of scans (Menu or Scare would be told their actions failed for example) so while not as damning as a guilty scan it allowed a lot more people to get suspicious action results if he was targeted. That was my thinking, at least.

A Scan reverser with one of the scans not even being in the game
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huh

WELL I GUESS THIS ISN'T SO SIMPLE NOW IS IT
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Wait what the hell am I doing I can just copypasta old Suprak setups in their FULL GLORY

Robert Baratheon (Modified Princess)
Arya Stark (Vig in training)
Catelyn Stark (Jailkeeper)
Eddard Stark (Gladiator cop)
Benjen Stark (Commuter)
Varys (Jack of all Scans)
Bronn (Day Gambler)
Barristan Selmy (Bodyguard)
Yoren (Neighborizer)
Jon Snow (Vanilla)
Hodor (Vanilla)
Khal Drogo (Vanilla)
Rickon Stark (Vanilla)

vs Scummos, which you already saw.

Scum team sounded scary, but really wasn’t as scary as you all thought. Going through each one:

Cersei – Bulletproof Godfather Flavor Scanner. BP meant absolutely nothing. Bronn had a sword and Cersei was only bp during the night anyway. She also lost BP/Godfather status if Robert Baratheon was killed or lynched at any point. Flavor Scanner wasn’t meant to be terribly useful, but as a way to force Cersei to get up so she could be caught on a track or a scan. Basically vulnerable to all the scans Varys had. As you saw, while after someone told you a role you’d go “oh that makes sense” the book is so huge I could’ve made any character any number of roles. Two of the best town roles (Eddard at Catelyn) claimed their flavor day 1 and scum didn’t shoot them, so while flavor scans might help, it was never going to be terribly useful. And 1 of the 2 scanners was completely immune to godfather anyway.

Jaime – Jack of all trades (extra kill, unblockable kill upgrade, parry). The strongman shot would only really help them with the commuter so it would be fairly useless in any other situation other than Chris rolling commuter because I am pretty sure he draws the unblockable day 1 if Paint doesn’t idle out. The parry is nice, but if he ended up drawing a scan and being lucky enough to parry it the day he was scanned, the end result is the scanner is going to know something was up anyway when they see they scanned themselves. The extra kill was pretty good though. Scum sure could’ve used that.

Joffrey – Ninja. Only immune to tracks/watches, meaning both scanners had a tool to use against him. There was only one track and one watch in the entire game, and without at least one real dedicated role using those the ninja thing is sort of nerfed.

Lancel – Vanillaizer. I forgot who was the first to say this, but this was just really a renamed roleblocked that also affects passive roles. You received a generic fail message if targeted instead of roleblocked, but it was a one night effect. It was meant to get the scum thinking there might be some passive roles they would have to combat, but I don’t think that actually worked at all since there was no discussion about it on the scum boards really.

Tywin – Untargetable Scan Skull****er.

Notes on some town roles:
Arya – Vig-in-training. I actually forgot a similar role was in FFD’s retirement game >_> Must be trying to block that game from my memory for some reason. Anyway, I got this idea from Azure’s game. He had a wandering townie that was meant to act as a miller for tracker scans, and I thought it was a pretty good idea…except for the fact it was obvious it was a miller for tracker scans and it got claimed immediately. I wanted to do a similar thing but give the person pause to actually claim what they are. I figured if maybe they thought they were a possible strong power role they would be fine moving every night but not telling anyone about it. I saw some people calling this a jerk role, but I really don’t think it is. Of course, now I can’t use the same trick in my next game. Maybe I’ll put in a real “in-training” role to be extra tricky. Or maybe I WON’T. HMM HMM HMMM.
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SCUM
1) Stannis Baratheon - Jack-of-All Upgrades (gain abilities as kings are lynched/killed: 1) BP 2) Godfather 3) Ninja 4) 1-time revive) (note: stannis is the fourth king - gets a one time revive with ??? for initial flip) (second note: godfater does not protect against banner scan)
2) Mellisandre - Jack-of-All Kills (Janitor/Strongman/Shadows) (note: strongman, not unblockable can be RB and cant hit untargetable) (note: shadows allows Mellisandre to summon a shadow to kill for the team. Select a player of your choosing. That player will be shown as getting up to make the kill instead of you on all scans that might show that. Mellisandre will be shown as not getting up that night.)
3) Davos Seaworth - Bus Driver (note: bus driver 3 use)
4) Patchface - Day 1 Double-Voting Psychic
5) Maester Cressen - Poisoner (note: 1 time use)
6) Selyse Florent - Paranoid Roleblocker Mason Recruiter (note: only works on night actions) (note: not paranoid when sending in kills)

TOWN
7) Tyrion Lannister - Learned Man (note: can tell which banner each player fights under)
8) Robb Stark Tracker
9) Alayaya Prostitute (target not informed they were slept with)
10) Ygritte - Roleblocker (hidden note: loses RB status if block town twice)
11) Preston Greenfield - Bodyguard
12) Brienne of Tarth - Elite Bodyguard
13) Sansa Stark - Untargetable Target Bomb
14) Arya Stark - Hider
15) Jaqen Hghar - Dayvig-in-waiting (note: the first time a nightkill is stopped, player will earn a one time use unblockable dayvig shot to be used any following day)
16) Theon Greyjoy - Lawyer (note: can switch the lynch to a person of their choosing. Lawyer dies with target if switched to town)
17) Renly Baratheon - Vanilla
18) Shireen Baratheon - Vanilla
19) Joffrey Baratheon - Vanilla
20) Jamie Lannister - Vanilla
21) Dontos Hollard - Vanilla
22) Aggo - Vanilla
23) Asha Greyjoy - Vanilla

24) GRRM - Indy BP Ninja SK
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No GOT3 but

1) Donald Trump, 2016 Presidential Elect (Doctor Inhibitor – Target not only is unable to be doc saved that night, if the doctor targets the same person he/she will lose their doctor status and become vanilla) (Becomes [Doctor Inhibitor (and Vote Suppressor)] if he outlives Hillary Clinton’s Political Career.)
2) Chicago Cubs, 2016 World Series Champions (Godfather Commuter) (Becomes [Godfather Commuter (Neighborizer)] if he outlives Scalia (Legal GIANT), Ali (Punch and draft DODGER), and Dakota Access Pipeline Protests (Protests over INDIAN land). Can becomes neighbors with a player of his choosing and send each other PMs outside of game.)
3) Leonardo DiCaprio, 2016 Oscar Winner (Ninja Roleblocker) (Becomes [(Persistent) Ninja Roleblocker] after second mislynch is achieved. Immune to redirects at that point and redirector will instead get a message saying their action failed.)
4) The Hamilton Musical, 2016 Cultural Icon (Gladiator Vigilante – One shot gladiator and one extra vig shot in addition to normal night kill) (Becomes [(One or two shot) Gladiator (One or two shot) Vigilante after either action is successful. Essentially gains a second vig shot if his first vig shot hits and a second gladiator if he wins his first)
5) The City of Cleveland, 2016 Not America’s Worst City Any More (Prostitute) (Can become [Prostitute (Powerstripper)] after sleeping with person who gets up. At start of day they are given the option of stripping the player of their power but will lose prosty power if they do so. Must decide by end of day cycle, and if powerstrip is not used, they hold on to that power until a later time of their choosing. Its use will only be triggered again through sleeping with someone who gets up, and decision to powerstrip or not is to be made during the following day cycle. Powerstrip will not work if the powerstripper is lynched in that same day cycle.)
6) Queen Elizabeth II, 2016 Longest Serving Monarch (Bulletproof Bombproof Poisonproof Vengefulproof) (Becomes [(Reflective) Bulletproof Bombproof Poisonproof] if they survive any of aforementioned kill attempts. Any actions taken on Queen Elizabeth will instead be used on the person who took them)

Note: “Powered-up” scum roles are secrets and scum are only told of their new powers once they achieve whatever their condition is.

7) “Courageously seizing a bird habitat to stop the federal government from stealing your freedom”, The Oregon Militia, TOWN Unlawful Occupier (Can target an opponent and all actions against them will fail)
8) “All the comedy you can cram into six seconds (which turns out to be none)”, Vine, TOWN Looper (Forces person to take their last action again)
9) Carrie Fisher, TOWN Tracker
10) Nancy Reagan, TOWN Cop
11) Prince, Town Rockstar (Lightning Rod)
12) “Campaigning for president and forgetting the Midwest exists”, Hillary Clinton’s Political Career, TOWN Popular Vote Winner (Multi-voter with limitations – Has twenty votes they can use throughout the entire game. Once a vote is cast, it can be unvote but cannot be cast again. Cannot hammer.) (Secret condition: they are lynched if they ever finish second in the votes without a hammer.)
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13) Antonin Scalia, TOWN Supreme Court Justice (Renamed Lawyer – Can switch the lynch; if person they switch the lynch to is town, they die instead but the townie is left alive)
14) Samsung Note 7, TOWN Exploding Cell Phone (Bomb – only kills last person on lynch)
15) The Zika Virus, TOWN Poisoner (One shot – victim is notified of being poisoned)
16) “Peeing on the side of a building and causing an international incident”, Ryan Lochte’s Reputation TOWN Drunken Idiot (Universal Backup) (They are actually “Idiot Backup” and will get a slight variation of the role they target depending if they do it at day or night. List is:
Untargetable-izer: Day (Doctor), Night (Jailkeeper)
Looper: Day (Roleblocker), Night (Thief)
Tracker: Day (Watcher), Night (Prostitute)
Cop: Day (1-use detective scan), Night (Parity Cop)
Bus Driver: Day (Action Director – can force target to target different player), Night (Lightning Rod)
Lawyer: Day (Day Gambler), Night (Mayor)
Poisoner: Day (Vig), Night (Delayed Poisoner – takes extra day)
Multi-voter: Day (Repeat Double Voter that can hammer), Night (Single double voter no hammer)
Bomb: Day (Target Bomb), Night (Vengeful)
17) “Your tiny, crooked penis ruining democracy for now and for ever”, Anthony Weiner’s pathetic dick, TOWN Vanilla
18) “’Helping’ the freezing Dakota Access Pipeline protestors by sending a really, really well worded tweet”, The Dakota Access Pipeline Protests, TOWN Vanilla
19) Abe Vigoda, TOWN Vanilla
20) Muhammad Ali, TOWN Greatest Ever (Vanilla)
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So Suprak is no stranger to power heavy setups

I'm just trying to think what scum powers are around to fight this setup
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bng_mmmk posted...

mainly the "Strongman Vigilante" seems redundant which is why I think they mean different things and aren't just using two words to say you can shoot someone.

Eh, flavor wise Victarion isn't an Assassin. He's a Vigilante of sorts who has a specific goal of getting vengeance on his brother
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Now I'm back to square one tbh
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bng_mmmk posted...

red feels like he's kinda slipping by and only chiming in to make sure people "toe the line" so to speak. Like he feels very reactive which I'm starting to get a little paranoid over. I can see him as a potential scum partner to Nana based on him shutting Nana up (or trying to) talking about Leo and independent hunting. Seemed like back-handing a teammate for being dumb/scummy. Also, Nana could have been being somewhat honest about scum's angle when mentioning the Han lynch was a planned thing in this scenario. Fits decently.

Sorry I just haven't really been able to be here today. I've only been able to loosely post and read a small part of the game. Not nearly the level of dedication I'd like to be able to put into the game.

If this were day 1 I'd have asked to be replaced but this deep any replacement would just be detrimental.
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Leo3L posted...

In retrospect this is all super obvious but I was thrown for the longest time by shooting Boko N2. Also I have yet to see a compelling hypothetical argument for how scum found out about the bus drive.

Two theories -

They have a rolecop and targeted puns thinking he was lying about Moon Boy

Han tracked me and saw me visit 2 targets
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