Board 8 > A Feast For Crows Mafia: Topic 10 - Fire Consumes, But Cold Preserves

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Leo3L
06/23/17 1:51:54 PM
#251:


People will say that's ironic coming from you, but I can dig it
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Nanahara715
06/23/17 1:55:48 PM
#252:


Leo3L posted...
People will say that's ironic coming from you, but I can dig it


Hence, #I'mAPot.

(because the pot calls the kettle black)
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My Immortal
06/23/17 1:55:48 PM
#253:


You're not the first to quote that post today nana
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Leo3L
06/23/17 1:56:19 PM
#254:


Ahhh

I had no idea what that meant
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Nanahara715
06/23/17 1:56:34 PM
#255:


My Immortal posted...
You're not the first to quote that post today nana


What are your thoughts there then?
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Vengeful_KBM
06/23/17 1:59:34 PM
#256:


Nanahara715 posted...
Furthermore would argue that KBM indicating she's made a mistake after claiming to be detailed would be further evidence she didn't even write her own post, something I postulated earlier. I've never played with KBM before but she's certainly never given me the impression she's capable of doing this.


At this point if you are actually town I don't think I ever want to sign up for a game with you again. Fuck you for saying this, you little shit.
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Vengeful_KBM
06/23/17 2:00:11 PM
#257:


(Of course if you're scum - which you are - that doesn't apply and I understand why you're manipulating my words so much!)
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My Immortal
06/23/17 2:00:23 PM
#258:


I noticed & questioned KBM's shift on me the day that it happened.

Her answer was meh. It boiled down to "I re-read and changed my opinions" and I pressed her on exactly what changed her opinion and she never really answered.
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Vengeful_KBM
06/23/17 2:02:46 PM
#259:


Here. Here are the exact notes I took for the end of Day 1, Nana.

TOPIC 3

Death going after dowolf very early
Also going after Jeff to try and make him "slip" over knowing about the term "backpedaling" of all things
Han pops in briefly to interact with Death and MI
Death does an ISO of Han and says he looks better for it - a little friendly back and forth between them
Death then ISOs VI and says he looks good too, feeling is not mutual
Boko has said I'm obvtown like five times!

HanOfTheNekos posted...
htaeD posted...
My Immortal posted...
Sorry for missing the joke.


thats okay, I am average at telling jokes

KBM, you did willingly engage with FFD in a lot of that nostalgia talk yes?


This is something I noticed early on and I'm still surprised that a lot of people think KBM is Town.


Vengeful_KBM posted...
I reread Han's analysis of Stan's first topic posts and though it didn't totally convince me Stan is scum,


Like this, come on, total Scumbuddies.


Scum Han trying to push suspicion on me earlier than I even remembered, wow.

Meanwhile Chris threatens to hurt anyone who votes Nana
Han led the lynch on Stan while MI sort of de facto spearheaded the lynch on Nana - in a way that wouldn't happen if they were scummates, at least (**MI/Nana mutually exclusive?**)
Han is also trying to throw a lot of suspicion on Red which makes Red look a little better
Meanwhile Shad leading the lynch on Puns makes Puns look golden and he will probably die tonight won't he, especially with the fact that Han also jumped on Puns to make him a viable candidate. This also diverted attention from the Nana lynch option at the end of the day - **Nana is looking bad on a reread of the end of D1. Puns seems QUITE clean now that Shad and Han have both flipped scum.**
Also MI is putting in a lot of town-looking legwork at the end of the day, compiling posts of easily-accessible information and whatnot.



TOPIC 4

Worth noting that the people who waited to vote until the end are all town. Scum was leading the D1 lynches, outside of the Nana lynch which was being led by MI (probable town) and myself.
Meanwhile Nana goes after me hard for "believing the exchanges between [Nana] and FFD were faked" which still strikes me as a weird and useless line of questioning, after this VERY clear answer:

Vengeful_KBM posted...
Nanahara715 posted...
True/false I'm your number 1 scum read


False. I've been vacillating back and forth. An actually true statement would be "you have remained on my list and I would be willing to lynch you based on current information".


Nana looking worse and worse. Then he accuses me of "refusing" to take a stance directly after I said the above (which was literally taking a stance). This is still pissing me off on a reread.
Then dowolf almost gets lynched D1 by MI/VI/puns/Leo. Interesting how all of them are still alive. Don't know what that means though.
People threatening to B8 Special Shad (which would have been a much better outcome than any of the other main choices at the time): Red, VI
Other than bitching at me, Nana does nothing of substance towards the end of the day, probably because he knows the main lynch candidates by that point (FFD/Puns/Dowolf) are all town and there's no reason for him to intervene outside of a couple token posts
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Vengeful_KBM
06/23/17 2:03:08 PM
#260:


You can say you think I'm scum if you want but don't you DARE say I'm not putting in the effort.
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htaeD
06/23/17 2:03:28 PM
#261:


so far this Han ISOing is not that interesting
best thing to happen was Puns and MI showing some interest in wanting him dead at the end of day1
and maybe Leo too
but noone else went for it and I cant even blame them since FFD was being FFD
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red13n
06/23/17 2:06:30 PM
#262:


Leo what is the rabbles thoughts on the current role meta for MI?

I want affirmation that the idea he has to be in the game isn't crazy(I don't like him coming after me, but MI coming after me as town/town wouldn't be the first, second, or hundredth time hes talked himself into that).

Also I value Scare's opinion over the other people on your mason board and he knows it. So if you have anything specific from him that hasn't really been mentioned I'd be curious to hear it.
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Nanahara715
06/23/17 2:08:00 PM
#263:


Vengeful_KBM posted...
Here. Here are the exact notes I took for the end of Day 1, Nana.

TOPIC 3

Death going after dowolf very early
Also going after Jeff to try and make him "slip" over knowing about the term "backpedaling" of all things
Han pops in briefly to interact with Death and MI
Death does an ISO of Han and says he looks better for it - a little friendly back and forth between them
Death then ISOs VI and says he looks good too, feeling is not mutual
Boko has said I'm obvtown like five times!

HanOfTheNekos posted...
htaeD posted...
My Immortal posted...
Sorry for missing the joke.


thats okay, I am average at telling jokes

KBM, you did willingly engage with FFD in a lot of that nostalgia talk yes?


This is something I noticed early on and I'm still surprised that a lot of people think KBM is Town.


Vengeful_KBM posted...
I reread Han's analysis of Stan's first topic posts and though it didn't totally convince me Stan is scum,


Like this, come on, total Scumbuddies.


Scum Han trying to push suspicion on me earlier than I even remembered, wow.

Meanwhile Chris threatens to hurt anyone who votes Nana
Han led the lynch on Stan while MI sort of de facto spearheaded the lynch on Nana - in a way that wouldn't happen if they were scummates, at least (**MI/Nana mutually exclusive?**)
Han is also trying to throw a lot of suspicion on Red which makes Red look a little better
Meanwhile Shad leading the lynch on Puns makes Puns look golden and he will probably die tonight won't he, especially with the fact that Han also jumped on Puns to make him a viable candidate. This also diverted attention from the Nana lynch option at the end of the day - **Nana is looking bad on a reread of the end of D1. Puns seems QUITE clean now that Shad and Han have both flipped scum.**
Also MI is putting in a lot of town-looking legwork at the end of the day, compiling posts of easily-accessible information and whatnot.



TOPIC 4

Worth noting that the people who waited to vote until the end are all town. Scum was leading the D1 lynches, outside of the Nana lynch which was being led by MI (probable town) and myself.
Meanwhile Nana goes after me hard for "believing the exchanges between [Nana] and FFD were faked" which still strikes me as a weird and useless line of questioning, after this VERY clear answer:

Vengeful_KBM posted...
Nanahara715 posted...
True/false I'm your number 1 scum read


False. I've been vacillating back and forth. An actually true statement would be "you have remained on my list and I would be willing to lynch you based on current information".


Nana looking worse and worse. Then he accuses me of "refusing" to take a stance directly after I said the above (which was literally taking a stance). This is still pissing me off on a reread.
Then dowolf almost gets lynched D1 by MI/VI/puns/Leo. Interesting how all of them are still alive. Don't know what that means though.
People threatening to B8 Special Shad (which would have been a much better outcome than any of the other main choices at the time): Red, VI
Other than bitching at me, Nana does nothing of substance towards the end of the day, probably because he knows the main lynch candidates by that point (FFD/Puns/Dowolf) are all town and there's no reason for him to intervene outside of a couple token posts


This is literally word for word what you posted at Day start. We've already been over how your juxtaposition of events doesn't match reality.
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Vengeful_KBM
06/23/17 2:09:16 PM
#264:


THAT IS NOT "literally word for word" what I posted you fucking liar. Are you paying attention to literally anything around you? Or are you just going to bullheadedly ram forward with these obvious fucking lies?

Lynch this fucking scum right now. Seriously how is this purposeful stupidity not obvious to everybody.
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htaeD
06/23/17 2:10:11 PM
#265:


Lynch han and Shad and possibly dowolf


Puns way too on the ball on day1, heh
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Vengeful_KBM
06/23/17 2:12:08 PM
#266:


Like, I'm showing you my raw notes you asshole. As I said before, I edited them into more readable paragraphs.

NOT THAT YOU WOULD KNOW THAT BECAUSE YOU ARE CLEARLY GOING TO CHERRY-PICK EVERY FUCKING THING I SAY.
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Vengeful_KBM
06/23/17 2:12:25 PM
#267:


Anyway. Sorry. Anybody else want to have a conversation?
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red13n
06/23/17 2:12:40 PM
#268:


calm, KBM.
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Vengeful_KBM
06/23/17 2:13:10 PM
#269:


And before someone calls this "fake anger" this is frustration with Nana that I have been feeling since Day Fucking One.
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My Immortal
06/23/17 2:14:00 PM
#270:


red13n posted...
I want affirmation that the idea he has to be in the game isn't crazy(I don't like him coming after me, but MI coming after me as town/town wouldn't be the first, second, or hundredth time hes talked himself into that).

Do you think people shouldn't suspect you at this point of the game?
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red13n
06/23/17 2:14:42 PM
#271:


My Immortal posted...
red13n posted...
I want affirmation that the idea he has to be in the game isn't crazy(I don't like him coming after me, but MI coming after me as town/town wouldn't be the first, second, or hundredth time hes talked himself into that).

Do you think people shouldn't suspect you at this point of the game?

yes.
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Leo3L
06/23/17 2:15:20 PM
#272:


red13n posted...
Leo what is the rabbles thoughts on the current role meta for MI?

I want affirmation that the idea he has to be in the game isn't crazy(I don't like him coming after me, but MI coming after me as town/town wouldn't be the first, second, or hundredth time hes talked himself into that).

Also I value Scare's opinion over the other people on your mason board and he knows it. So if you have anything specific from him that hasn't really been mentioned I'd be curious to hear it.


Nobody has chimed in today about VI's potential definition of Persistent and what it means for MI's claim.

FFD would still go MI today, but admits it's mostly gut. He's most interested in the information we get from any of the main 4 scumspects being lynched today.

Scare hasn't posted today, but last night whenever MI would post something upset, Scare called it fake emotion.
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My Immortal
06/23/17 2:16:00 PM
#273:


red13n posted...
My Immortal posted...
red13n posted...
I want affirmation that the idea he has to be in the game isn't crazy(I don't like him coming after me, but MI coming after me as town/town wouldn't be the first, second, or hundredth time hes talked himself into that).

Do you think people shouldn't suspect you at this point of the game?

yes.

What have you done that you think makes it apparent that you are not scum?
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My Immortal
06/23/17 2:17:14 PM
#274:


I was so pissed at Scare yesterday. Nothing about that was fake.
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red13n
06/23/17 2:17:55 PM
#275:


My Immortal posted...
red13n posted...
My Immortal posted...
red13n posted...
I want affirmation that the idea he has to be in the game isn't crazy(I don't like him coming after me, but MI coming after me as town/town wouldn't be the first, second, or hundredth time hes talked himself into that).

Do you think people shouldn't suspect you at this point of the game?

yes.

What have you done that you think makes it apparent that you are not scum?


I would ask the opposite question.
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htaeD
06/23/17 2:18:12 PM
#276:


there's been a lot of anger thrown around this game
it says nothing to me anymore
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htaeD
06/23/17 2:18:38 PM
#277:


red13n posted...
My Immortal posted...
red13n posted...
My Immortal posted...
red13n posted...
I want affirmation that the idea he has to be in the game isn't crazy(I don't like him coming after me, but MI coming after me as town/town wouldn't be the first, second, or hundredth time hes talked himself into that).

Do you think people shouldn't suspect you at this point of the game?

yes.

What have you done that you think makes it apparent that you are not scum?


I would ask the opposite question.


any scum can look good by doing nothing tho!
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red13n
06/23/17 2:20:30 PM
#278:


htaeD posted...
red13n posted...
My Immortal posted...
red13n posted...
My Immortal posted...
red13n posted...
I want affirmation that the idea he has to be in the game isn't crazy(I don't like him coming after me, but MI coming after me as town/town wouldn't be the first, second, or hundredth time hes talked himself into that).

Do you think people shouldn't suspect you at this point of the game?

yes.

What have you done that you think makes it apparent that you are not scum?


I would ask the opposite question.


any scum can look good by doing nothing tho!


time has been limited, have not done nothing. Especially earlier on.
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My Immortal
06/23/17 2:20:33 PM
#279:


My thought that I kept typing and deleting because I was being crueler than I'm going to type it today when I'm calm was along the lines of 'the guy who couldn't be bothered to make more than 10 posts day 1 is going to tell me I'm not putting any effort in the game?'
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VeryInsane
06/23/17 2:24:13 PM
#280:


To me, safest play is KBM, most info is MI
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red13n
06/23/17 2:26:31 PM
#281:


we dont gain info from a town MI lynch. Nothing we don't already have. Thats dumb reasoning.
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Leo3L
06/23/17 2:29:11 PM
#282:


I guess I should just ISO Chris for mentions of KBM and Nana to decide who to lynch today. And MI I guess.

It worked well for decisively lynching Han, not that that was necessary, but I'm so lazy.
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My Immortal
06/23/17 2:29:54 PM
#283:


I've seen Chris coaching KBM and defending Nana on my re-reads.

So I'm torn between using his interactions.
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Leo3L
06/23/17 2:31:30 PM
#284:


I kind of like Scare's point about nobody ever voting or going after KBM for most of the game the best
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htaeD
06/23/17 2:32:20 PM
#285:


Leo3L posted...
I guess I should just ISO Chris for mentions of KBM and Nana to decide who to lynch today. And MI I guess.

It worked well for decisively lynching Han, not that that was necessary, but I'm so lazy.


conveniently it did
but I prefer the in general ISO methods that also includes whenever someone mentioned the scummy player
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VeryInsane
06/23/17 2:32:32 PM
#286:


I feel like Chris heavily downplayed KBM's scumplay

I dunno I remember KBM being really good as scum
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htaeD
06/23/17 2:33:06 PM
#287:


Leo3L posted...
I kind of like Scare's point about nobody ever voting or going after KBM for most of the game the best


I tried!
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VeryInsane
06/23/17 2:33:22 PM
#288:


Leo3L posted...
I kind of like Scare's point about nobody ever voting or going after KBM for most of the game the best


Or MI!
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red13n
06/23/17 2:34:08 PM
#289:


VI I need you to explain to me why I should trust you.
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VeryInsane
06/23/17 2:36:10 PM
#290:


I have no reason other than I know I am town
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red13n
06/23/17 2:36:59 PM
#291:


Damn it VI.
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My Immortal
06/23/17 2:37:53 PM
#292:


Did red seriously refused me to ask why people shouldn't suspect him but then ask VI the same question

Seriously
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Leo3L
06/23/17 2:38:33 PM
#293:


I continue to vouch for VI. He's the towniest player in the game to me.
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red13n
06/23/17 2:38:45 PM
#294:


Leo3L posted...
I guess I should just ISO Chris for mentions of KBM and Nana to decide who to lynch today. And MI I guess.

It worked well for decisively lynching Han, not that that was necessary, but I'm so lazy.


The biggest thing with chris and nana is if you think the anger from nana to him was fake or not. There isnt a whole lot else of importance if I recall correctly.
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Nanahara715
06/23/17 2:38:53 PM
#295:


Vengeful_KBM posted...
Like, I'm showing you my raw notes you asshole. As I said before, I edited them into more readable paragraphs.

NOT THAT YOU WOULD KNOW THAT BECAUSE YOU ARE CLEARLY GOING TO CHERRY-PICK EVERY FUCKING THING I SAY.


Went back and compared line by line, minus grammar that doesn't impact the meaning of the sentences and adding the word "meanwhile", 95% of the words and 100% of the order of thoughts are the same, AND THE EVENTS AT THE END OF DAY 1 ARE STILL NOT WHAT HAPPENED.
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htaeD
06/23/17 2:39:33 PM
#296:


Hans day2 start

Anyway, as much as puns is 100% our lynch for today and Chris, you should feel REALLY bad about missing deadline because he should've been lynched yesterday...

... We're not getting more out of him for the moment. Unless you want to poke him and see if his claim changes, I don't see any point in wasting more time with him until day end.

KBM is a good choice. Was on my radar yesterday and I feel like she fell off because a bunch of people were saying "KBM is obvtown guys" and then she disappeared.

The argument was that she couldn't fake her anger, but her first post this day felt like I was watching an Anakin scene in episode 2.

Jeff has also flown completely under the game which annoys me because I chose not to pursue him yesterday and then I started to think he was looking more Town, but his first post today was awful.

I don't have any specifics on Death but gut. I can look at him further to find if anything sticks out.

Dowolf I actually felt seemed Townish yesterday, not the biggest fan of going for him.

Boko, you didn't vote yesterday. Were you saving your vote for something, or just didn't want to use it?


maybe you guys see something more
but I wonder if the 1 scum rule applies here
or if thats reserved for him admonishing Chris?
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htaeD
06/23/17 2:41:13 PM
#297:


and yeah KBM, you should at least see that Nana's lynch was pretty dead by the time Puns lynch started
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VeryInsane
06/23/17 2:41:17 PM
#298:


red13n posted...
Damn it VI.


Like honestly I don't know what to say that would satisfy you. There's no proof that I am Town, and you should consider me as a possibility, that's what any rational Town player would do.

But I dunno. I feel like it's just an extremely simple game of MI/KBM at this point just by interactions. Maybe town is OP and the odds that a Nana is scum isn't completely off the table. But I think my head just points to those two
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red13n
06/23/17 2:42:33 PM
#299:


My Immortal posted...
Did red seriously refused me to ask why people shouldn't suspect him but then ask VI the same question

Seriously


If you want the answer to why people should think I'm town its my general reaction to things. And you should know my scumplay better, I can't resist picking someone thats town thats unconfirmed and latching myself on to them to hell and back. Not to mention I'm much more calculating than that and wouldn't let two scum go down to totally uncomfirmed stuff. The reason I told you I would ask the opposite question("What makes you think I'm scum?") is that this doesn't match where my scumplay would be.
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red13n
06/23/17 2:44:58 PM
#300:


And MI you know damn I don't let chris do what he did and then blatantly beg for a damn counterclaim(I would have been pissed off at him but I wouldn't get him killed). And you know Jeff fucked me day 2 because theres no way in hell I get off of Shad if I don't have that inherent trust for Chris because of the lack of CC.
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