Board 8 > A Feast For Crows Mafia: Topic 10 - Fire Consumes, But Cold Preserves

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Leo3L posted...

Just for the record, Scare was trying to tie the lynch D1 but screwed up. He was just a regular unrestricted double voter.

'oh'
wouldnt have made a difference either way I imagine
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Leo3L posted...

Just for the record, Scare was trying to tie the lynch D1 but screwed up. He was just a regular unrestricted double voter.

Tbqh, Scare screwing up might be the best thing to happen to town this game.
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My Immortal posted...

htaeD posted...

Leo protecting scum power there switches.

It's weird scare didn't move his first vote to turbo and tie it, I wonder if scum leo thought he did or was going to and that's what scared him into moving

*Switches = makes sense. I don't even know how I typed that wrong

I FORGOT I DID THIS.

That wasn't a typo. That was me stating that the bus drive claim made sense in an innocuous way.

wish I could say you werent clever enough to not prepare this as scum
still I understand why you'd not talk about the vigshot at all

meanwhile I see Red supporting a Han b8 special on day2 when Chris and Shad were all out attacking Leo for even suggesting it
guess thats a point for townred
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Topic one, KBM is called an easy mislynch by at least four different people (notably Chris and Han among them) but never gets voted until like day four >_>
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Red didn't vote or push for Han at all though did he?
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"And I'm liking Immy as town as well, for now. The fact that he's insinuated that I'm scum puts him as town- he's historically liked to call me town and buddy up when he's scum. I don't know how that changes with a plethora of other players whom he has much more history with. Given that though, I'm unwilling to lynch either today."

Kind of interesting Nana post. I'm just rereading the entire game for whatever pings me
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Leo, does Mason Crew have any specific Town reads?
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well no he voted VI
at Chris' prodding as I mentioned

if it wasnt for Chris' insistence on getting VI dead, I'd worry about Hans last second vote on Dowolf more
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Leo3L posted...

Topic one, KBM is called an easy mislynch by at least four different people (notably Chris and Han among them) but never gets voted until like day four >_>

As Town I think so still.

As scum, not so much.
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htaeD posted...

wish I could say you werent clever enough to not prepare this as scum
still I understand why you'd not talk about the vigshot at all

meanwhile I see Red supporting a Han b8 special on day2 when Chris and Shad were all out attacking Leo for even suggesting it
guess thats a point for townred

oh believe me I've been kicking myself a good bit for not trusting myself day 1/2 towards end of day. If I just moved over to shad and han its a totally different game.

Also damn it MI i had something else on my mind and lost my train of thought.
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VeryInsane posted...

Leo, does Mason Crew have any specific Town reads?

You and Puns for sure. I think we're fairly agreed on Htaed. Kinda like Red.

Scare thinks Nana is town, of most interest. For the most part we have a "burn them all" mentality towards KBM/MI/Nana today.
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I will say I still like Nana a bit more than KBM (scumwise, nothing to do with personality)
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Does that mean you think he's summer or townier than kbm?
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whoops
to be clearer, townier
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in the sense that Nana feels more active
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KBM humoring Hans Leo arguments is weird to the point of making KBM look too guilty tho
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My Immortal posted...

I thought it would be better to use my track first then claim and then use psychic.

Scare thinks it's weird you would plan out your actions so early in advance like that
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well day 4
time to compare Nana and KBM I think
one thing I dont like is that KBM seems rather quiet for large parts, starting out strong but falling to the side until Han gains the lions share of our attention
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btw do we think scum would get a 'Persistent' role if town didnt have anything it could 'persist' through?
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htaeD posted...

btw do we think scum would get a 'Persistent' role if town didnt have anything it could 'persist' through?

This is the only thing keeping MI alive right now.

Leo3L posted...

My Immortal posted...

I thought it would be better to use my track first then claim and then use psychic.

Scare thinks it's weird you would plan out your actions so early in advance like that

So to be clear, you're criticizing me for not planning my abilities properly and Scare is criticizing me for planning? Cool.

I stand by I made the right decision. Tracking a town RB claim when we couldn't verify both blockers would've confirmed he visited who he said and didn't block death, or I would've seen him visit death and lie about it.
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That's why I originally unvoted MI, because VI pointed that out from Suprak's 2016 mafia.

But then he kept posting meta red herrings from those games, like a scum role that fucks with a non-existant prosty scan.

So I was just confused at the end
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The short answer is no, the long answer is the host could be fucking with us.

htaeD posted...

well day 4
time to compare Nana and KBM I think
one thing I dont like is that KBM seems rather quiet for large parts, starting out strong but falling to the side until Han gains the lions share of our attention

In my defense, as I said at the time, the day started on Sunday and I work at a church. Sundays are a black hole as far as my activity goes.

My Immortal posted...

Leo3L posted...

My Immortal posted...

I thought it would be better to use my track first then claim and then use psychic.

Scare thinks it's weird you would plan out your actions so early in advance like that

So to be clear, you're criticizing me for not planning my abilities properly and Scare is criticizing me for planning? Cool.

I stand by I made the right decision. Tracking a town RB claim when we couldn't verify both blockers would've confirmed he visited who he said and didn't block death, or I would've seen him visit death and lie about it.

I mean, it's not like I'm being a hypocrite, I'm just legitimately five different people!
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Scum role that fucks with a non-existent prosty scan but also fucks with scans that do exist in the game.

If Suprak said that role only effects cop & tracker then scum would know that there was a cop & tracker. By giving them extra things there it muddied the water and made them unsure of exactly what scans exists.

Persistent can be stopped by a couple roles so Chris having it confirmed there was something out there, but not exactly what.
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Leo3L posted...

My Immortal posted...

Leo3L posted...

My Immortal posted...

I thought it would be better to use my track first then claim and then use psychic.

Scare thinks it's weird you would plan out your actions so early in advance like that

So to be clear, you're criticizing me for not planning my abilities properly and Scare is criticizing me for planning? Cool.

I stand by I made the right decision. Tracking a town RB claim when we couldn't verify both blockers would've confirmed he visited who he said and didn't block death, or I would've seen him visit death and lie about it.

I mean, it's not like I'm being a hypocrite, I'm just legitimately five different people!

I know. I just found it somewhat humorous.
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Wait, didn't scum have a bulletproof in GOT1 but Town had no kills? (Outside of a dayvig which was shabby)
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htaeD posted...

btw do we think scum would get a 'Persistent' role if town didnt have anything it could 'persist' through?

We also have a ninja on both sides, something we've kind of glossed over as well.

The one thing Suprak loves to give scum is confirmable roles, fwiw
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Vengeful_KBM posted...

htaeD posted...

well day 4
time to compare Nana and KBM I think
one thing I dont like is that KBM seems rather quiet for large parts, starting out strong but falling to the side until Han gains the lions share of our attention

In my defense, as I said at the time, the day started on Sunday and I work at a church. Sundays are a black hole as far as my activity goes.

and as I read along, Nana wasnt that much more active either
But
nana does at least list han as his favored lynch early (even if Leo did already vote han by this point)

wish I knew what to make of Han voting KBM instead of Nana
is he just spiting Leo who pointed out that Nana was Hans major suspect?
or was he trying to make Nana look worse?
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VeryInsane posted...

Wait, didn't scum have a bulletproof in GOT1 but Town had no kills? (Outside of a dayvig which was shabby)

yes
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allthough, wasnt there an SK?
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htaeD posted...

allthough, wasnt there an SK?

Not in GoT1. There was in GoT2. Me.
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I don't really care who scum votes this late in the game. Shad voted Han, I lynched Han. Han votes KBM, I'll lynch KBM if I feel like it.
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was thinking more what it meant in relation in Nana
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Scare thinks Nana's fight with Chris felt genuine. He says scum Nana isn't good at grandstanding like that. Also says his reaction to the hanmer felt genuine.

Furthermore, he says his KBM and MI reads have been play based since he died, though his role certainly doesn't help their case .

Doesn't think scum would not have a blocker, so likes Death
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htaeD posted...

btw do we think scum would get a 'Persistent' role if town didnt have anything it could 'persist' through?

To be fair, this would be a way for scum to definitively shoot a player without watcher fear.

Scum bus driver busses Cop/primary and reasonably scummy looking player (or even a scummate), persistent Strongman shoots through and doesn't need to worry about watcher seeing him AND if he gets tracked he has a built in excuse if someone else targeted the Cop/primary.
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Scare thinks how I think then
though more in the sense that Nana was on to how Chris was repeating himself from the last game and I dont see why he'd put attention on that as a scumpartner

though if there are 5 scum total, this brings me back to wondering who the 5th could be
but there's no point worrying about that today
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Nanahara715 posted...

htaeD posted...

btw do we think scum would get a 'Persistent' role if town didnt have anything it could 'persist' through?

To be fair, this would be a way for scum to definitively shoot a player without watcher fear.

Scum bus driver busses Cop/primary and reasonably scummy looking player (or even a scummate), persistent Strongman shoots through and doesn't need to worry about watcher seeing him AND if he gets tracked he has a built in excuse if someone else targeted the Cop/primary.

This doesn't really hold up I don't think. They did have a full time ninja if they were that worried about being seen.
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While i can see yhe case against either of kbm or Nana in my mind

Between my gut and Chris defense of Nana d1
##Vote: Nana

I think kbms misinterpreted voting habjts and her defensiveness after are the kind of things that get her mislynched.
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Scare says remember rule 1 to @red13n in regards to MI

One could say this is doubly so if he's been after a scum Nana all game.
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My Immortal posted...

While i can see yhe case against either of kbm or Nana in my mind

Between my gut and Chris defense of Nana d1
##Vote: Nana

I think kbms misinterpreted voting habjts and her defensiveness after are the kind of things that get her mislynched.

And you think scum has just not had to exploit this all game before now?
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I mean they had nice town/town wagons days 1 and 2.
They had a pretty set scum lynch days 3 and 4

Where would they have abused this prior to today?

Also acting like I deserve to be r1 and not red is dumb
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Like does scare think I'm scum basrd on play or just that I should be r1

Can't be both
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And again I don't really give a fuck about what he has to say about me
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Someone tell me what this "rule 1" is - clearly I've been out of the game for a bit too long?

Vengeful_KBM posted...

Someone tell me what this "rule 1" is - clearly I've been out of the game for a bit too long?

If a good player survives to endgame without being night killed they are scum and should be lynched

It disregards and play or nuisances of the game and is dumb
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Rule One: If Chris (or whoever good town player) is alive late into the game, they are probably scum. Chris got shot N1 an absurd amount of times, unless he rolled scum. MI is often shot because as town he's super active and skillful
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Yeah that's a pretty dumb rule. Especially in an all-star game like this, it means absolutely nothing.

Be back in full force in a couple hours, still need to cool off a bit before the end of the day (though I'll probably keep making posts here and there).