Board 8 > All-Purpose Wrestling Topic 411: Topic 425 is gonna suck

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Come on guys, Enzo is clearly gonna tag with the Big Show now! Lol
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voltch posted...

Ibushi in the g1...oh man ibushi and omega

Americans get the good stuff confirmed.
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Enzo should manage Brock after Heyman moves to Reigns
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We're halfway through the year, what is your current leading contender for MOTY that you have seen?

Bonus: Should the winner come the first half of the year, what wins APWT MOTY and WON MOTY?

Feels like there's a lot of LFF in play that could lead to surprising results.
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Johnny Mundo vs The Mack All Night Long
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I wonder who will be #1 in the PWI 500

I don't see a case for anyone (like, NO ONE ELSE has ANY case) besides Okada, but they've never done a Japanese #1 before.

When this happened with Misawa in 1997 they changed the rules up and gave it to Malenko for some reason like he's more marketable
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voltch posted...

We're halfway through the year, what is your current leading contender for MOTY that you have seen?

Bonus: Should the winner come the first half of the year, what wins APWT MOTY and WON MOTY?

Feels like there's a lot of LFF in play that could lead to surprising results.

My personal match of the year is Ishii vs. Omega. My American match of the year is Mundo vs. Mack. My WWE match of the year is Cena vs. Styles.
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PrivateBiscuit1 posted...

Johnny Mundo vs The Mack All Night Long

Oh god this is going to trigger Dave. It was taped before the grading period!
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scarletspeed7 posted...

My WWE match of the year is Cena vs. Styles.

Is there even a #2? The Chamber? Reigns vs Balor?

Lesnar vs Goldberg!!
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Yeah, but who has Okada beaten that could be considered a PWI top level opponent?

As good as the Naito, Marufuji, Shibata, Suzuki, Fale and Omega matches have been, those guys aren't exactly high ranked. It would be like if a UFC champ had 4 title defenses in one year, but all 4 opponents were ranked outside the top 10-15.

I love the guy, just putting up an argument that will likely be used against him. I could see them going with AJ Styles.
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Jakyl25 posted...

scarletspeed7 posted...

My WWE match of the year is Cena vs. Styles.

Is there even a #2? The Chamber? Reigns vs Balor?

Lesnar vs Goldberg!!

Don't be silly, WWE includes NXT, which increases the selection by a huge margin. Only problem is the number of viewers for NXT isn't particularly high.
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How many singles matches has Okada lost since 7/1/16?

3 losses in G1, and?
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In singles? That's it.

The Naito loss was in April 2016. (Going by Cagematch)
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Jakyl25 posted...

scarletspeed7 posted...

My WWE match of the year is Cena vs. Styles.

Is there even a #2? The Chamber? Reigns vs Balor?

Lesnar vs Goldberg!!

I really liked the Roode/Itami match too.
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voltch posted...

In singles? That's it.

The Naito loss was in April 2016. (Going by Cagematch)

Meanwhile AJ Styles has three singles losses to James Ellsworth <_<
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hm... Okada was #2 last year too. since then Reigns has been a lot more vulnerable. Styles i don't think could be it simply due to his loss to Orton pre-WM. at the same time it can't be Orton because LOL JINDER.

lesnar? goldberg? or do they not count?
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Jakyl25 posted...

Meanwhile AJ Styles has three singles losses to James Ellsworth <_<

Who also has a MITB win!
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Jakyl25 posted...

voltch posted...

In singles? That's it.

The Naito loss was in April 2016. (Going by Cagematch)

Meanwhile AJ Styles has three singles losses to James Ellsworth <_<

Hey man, James also won Money in the Bank. AJ Styles couldn't do that!
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Jakyl25 posted...

voltch posted...

In singles? That's it.

The Naito loss was in April 2016. (Going by Cagematch)

Meanwhile AJ Styles has three singles losses to James Ellsworth <_<

He still got the biggest pop of the night at Money in the Bank at least!
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Wanglicious posted...

hm... Okada was #2 last year too. since then Reigns has been a lot more vulnerable. Styles i don't think could be it simply due to his loss to Orton pre-WM. at the same time it can't be Orton because LOL JINDER.

lesnar? goldberg? or do they not count?

There's a 20 match minimum
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Looks like we're all on the same page.
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James Ellsworth for #1 in the PWI 500 is what I'm gathering here.

Edit: Darn. 20 match minimum
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Cagematch has him at 18 in the timeframe

Still 10 days to get two more!
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What about The Miz?

If Malenko can win it all, surely Miz can as well.
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Brock Lesnar had 20 matches in the last timeframe?
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Okada/Shibata is my MOTY. WON's will be one of the Okada/Omega matches in all likelihood. APWT's I imagine will be Styles/Cena.
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Styles/Cena will place 2nd if not higher on WON I feel.

Okada's got something like 5 matches to choose from, Omega's got 4 matches and then you have Naito, Tanahashi and Hiromu all stealing votes away.

I feel like there's going to be a combination of LFF AND backlash votes from people who perceive them to be overhyped that will give Cena a boost in the voting.

Cena/Styles being such a heavy frontrunner means it, so far has less competition to deal with. If that wasn't bad enough, the G1 will further fragment Okada's MOTY choices for APWT's.
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scarletspeed7 posted...

Brock Lesnar had 20 matches in the last timeframe?

He had 13, which is so many for him I guess they gave him an exemption!

EDIT: Okay looks like I forgot a rule

It's 20 match minimum OR at least one match in 7 different months.

Which Brock achieved last year for the first time since his return
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Roses are red,
Violets are blue,
Here comes Braun Strowman,
HE’S NOT FINISHED WITH YOU!
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Ellsworth appears to cover 8 different months

Hell yeah I believe in Ellsworth for #1
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I wonder if this will be the last year on the 500 for Jushin Liger, the only man to have been on every year of its existence

Give him #1
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The Chamber was pretty fun at the time, I'll always remember Styles' "Oh shit" face after Wyatt eliminates Cena and then just tries his best to stop him
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That Chamber match sparked a Miz/Ambrose issue that still burns to this day

Meanwhile in that same timeframe, Bray Wyatt has seemingly moved on from his sister's corpse immolation
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People got on the women's MitB for being "fake" with the way the spots were setup

The Chamber was much much worse in that regard imo. Never got the love for that match.
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I think the difference is that AJ Styles was in the Chamber and he wasn't in the Women's MITB.
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I think that's the difference too, but not for the same reasons you do.
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I'm saying AJ Styles is a sexy man with glorious hair and none of the Women have real hair like AJ. It's all weaves and shit. AJ has true 5-star quality Meltzer approved hair.
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He wishes he could have 6 1/4* hair like Kenny Omega
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Five star hair in WWE has been lacking for 5 or so years.
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https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DCyVRlAU0AA7R2p?format=jpg&name=large

Sexy new merch
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I feel like even people who would wear wrestling shirts won't wear that though.
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This conversation reminds me that bully ray got top 5 one year because he got credit for the big winning streak he had against Aces and Eights and THEN got credit for masterminding that all of those matches were shams and then going on to have several successful via cheating.

Like I dunno i just really enjoy that he still got credit for what turned oit to be a sham
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Eh. Honestly I put that as above average for a wrestling shirt. It's on that "close but not quite working" tier which most wrestling shirts don't even get up to.
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I know it's the most stereotypical smark thing ever to like the heels more than the faces, but holy crap does WWE even want their faces to be entertaining or likable? They're mostly just generic, boring jerks. Meanwhile team heel has Braun being a jackass in amusing ways, Cass being 100% right about Enzo being a douchebag that holds him back, the Mizbear army...
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wwe faces have always been generic assholes -- see: hogan, austin, eddie, etc

it's just how they roll

you are supposed to cheer for the asshole they want you to cheer for, and often the lines are nonexistent
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I know the asshole face is a standard WWE thing but it feels like in the past they made the effort to make them likable assholes. Like I never liked The Rock much but they at least tried to make him seem like a cool, funny guy you could support. I don't even know why I'm supposed to like Reigns or Enzo.
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WWE Faces have always been assholes

Generic assholes not so much. That's a recent development.
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So in any other sport, you cheer for the guy you like the most. Sometimes that guy is an asshole. Like Tom Brady. Or that team run by the Cryptkeeper with the star on their helmets. I take that mindset into wrestling with me. I just cheer for the guys I like. I don't feel like a smark or a mark or anything. I like who I like.
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Braun is going to be a face by this time next year the crowd is already turning him
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