Poll of the Day > Do you think the yulin dog meat festival should be canceled this year?

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UT1999
05/27/17 6:49:41 PM
#1:


Some protesters are protesting it and in this news story it looks like it may be canceled.....


....this year


time.com/4783802/china-yulin-dog-meat-festival/
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aHappySacka
05/27/17 6:57:04 PM
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Only if an equivalent hamburger festival can be cancelled in the U.S.

But seriously it should be cancelled anyway due to ethical reasons because the way animals in general are treated over there.
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Zeus
05/27/17 7:08:12 PM
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aHappySacka posted...
Only if an equivalent hamburger festival can be cancelled in the U.S.


Pretty much.

aHappySacka posted...
But seriously it should be cancelled anyway due to ethical reasons because the way animals in general are treated over there.


That's true of all animals over there, though. And, let's be honest, true of most animals in the US as well.
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ThaGuyFromGTA3
05/27/17 7:10:16 PM
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i was gonna say that too, like cows and pigs are treated incredibly well in the us?
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Syntheticon
05/27/17 10:02:31 PM
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UT1999 posted...
....this year


time.com/4783802/china-yulin-dog-meat-festival/

Would you cancel Oktoberfest or the suberbowl because of protesters? Let ppl have their traditions etc. If you don't like it, don't attend.
When someone who doesn't like what you like starts poking their nose into stuff, you can bet there will be plenty of bitching-leave ppl with what they like and mind your own business.
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Sarcasthma
05/27/17 10:15:33 PM
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I wish they'd treat the dogs more humanely before eating them, but no, I don't think that the festival should be canceled.
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ParanoidObsessive
05/27/17 10:55:57 PM
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Zeus posted...
aHappySacka posted...
But seriously it should be cancelled anyway due to ethical reasons because the way animals in general are treated over there.

That's true of all animals over there, though. And, let's be honest, true of most animals in the US as well.

Was going to point this out. We're incredibly cruel to food animals in general - if we started banning meats because of inhumane treatment before the slaughter, we'd all wind up being forced to be vegans.

And the point where someone tries me to be vegan is also the point where I stab stabbing people and eating them.


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Revelation34
05/27/17 10:59:24 PM
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ParanoidObsessive posted...
Was going to point this out. We're incredibly cruel to food animals in general - if we started banning meats because of inhumane treatment before the slaughter, we'd all wind up being forced to be vegans.


Vegetarians*
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wolfy42
05/27/17 11:56:03 PM
#9:


Who doesn't like hot dogs?
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PKMNsony
05/28/17 12:08:14 AM
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Let the people eat whatever the fuck they want.
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SusanGreenEyes
05/28/17 12:13:06 AM
#11:


Why would people in China care whether or not we oppose their festival?
I see people posting online for signatures, but I don't see how that would help.
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ParanoidObsessive
05/28/17 2:16:25 PM
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Revelation34 posted...
ParanoidObsessive posted...
Was going to point this out. We're incredibly cruel to food animals in general - if we started banning meats because of inhumane treatment before the slaughter, we'd all wind up being forced to be vegans.

Vegetarians*

No, vegans.

Because most of the animals providing you milk, cheese, eggs, leather, etc are still treated relatively "inhumanely", so laws banning any animal product created through inhumane means would still ban those products.

Basically, if something comes from an animal, you can't have it. Period.

The real fun part is when this starts removing some types of medication from the equation.


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TheSlinja
05/28/17 2:20:36 PM
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SusanGreenEyes posted...
Why would people in China care whether or not we oppose their festival?

they dont and wont lol
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Revelation34
05/28/17 2:32:31 PM
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ParanoidObsessive posted...
No, vegans.

Because most of the animals providing you milk, cheese, eggs, leather, etc are still treated relatively "inhumanely", so laws banning any animal product created through inhumane means would still ban those products.

Basically, if something comes from an animal, you can't have it. Period.

The real fun part is when this starts removing some types of medication from the equation.


No, vegetarians. " treatment before the slaughter" You don't slaughter animals you want to get their non meat products from.
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ParanoidObsessive
05/28/17 4:26:57 PM
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Revelation34 posted...
No, vegetarians. "treatment before the slaughter" You don't slaughter animals you want to get their non meat products from.

You still slaughter them for leather, gelatin, bone meal, certain types of insulin, etc, so you're still losing a ton of things from that alone.

In addition, people who are actually concerned about "treatment before the slaughter" are probably also going to be worried about "treatment before you harvest milk, eggs, etc" for exactly the same reasons. It's still inhumane regardless.

If anything, it might be more inhumane, if only because animals raised for slaughter are usually kept in somewhat acceptable condition (they need to be to keep the meat usable) and then killed in relatively short order, whereas animals being harvested are usually kept in far worse conditions (because it doesn't matter as long as they keep producing milk or eggs), effectively violated on a regular basis for their entire lives, and then, once past a useful age, get killed off and used for lesser products.


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MICHALECOLE
05/28/17 4:29:19 PM
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I care less about eating dogs than I do about lions and elephants and shit like that
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WarGreymon77
05/28/17 5:03:18 PM
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Who cares how they're treated? How bout this: eating cats and dogs is fucking weird and should stop.
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TheSlinja
05/28/17 5:29:54 PM
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WarGreymon77 posted...
Who cares how they're treated? How bout this: eating cats and dogs is fucking weird and should stop.

why is it weird?
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Cacciato
05/28/17 5:34:27 PM
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Revelation34 posted...
You don't slaughter animals you want to get their non meat products from.

I've got some bad news for you, big guy.
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Zareth
05/28/17 5:36:04 PM
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TheSlinja posted...
WarGreymon77 posted...
Who cares how they're treated? How bout this: eating cats and dogs is fucking weird and should stop.

why is it weird?

Because we've conditioned them for thousands of years to be companion animals, and we've spent just as long raising livestock specifically for slaughter.
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Revelation34
05/28/17 5:45:04 PM
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Cacciato posted...
I've got some bad news for you, big guy.


slaughter
verb
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1Kill (animals) for food.
‘at present the abattoir is slaughtering animals for the domestic market’
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MICHALECOLE
05/28/17 5:45:46 PM
#22:


Zareth posted...
TheSlinja posted...
WarGreymon77 posted...
Who cares how they're treated? How bout this: eating cats and dogs is fucking weird and should stop.

why is it weird?

Because we've conditioned them for thousands of years to be companion animals, and we've spent just as long raising livestock specifically for slaughter.

would you be against eating a donkey or a camel? What about a horse? A pig? A penguin? A seal? A snake? A rabbit? A rhino?
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Zareth
05/28/17 5:50:52 PM
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Donkeys, camels and horses were conditioned by man for transportation. Pigs were conditioned to be raised for food. Penguins, seals, snakes, rhinos, and rabbits weren't.
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MICHALECOLE
05/28/17 5:53:54 PM
#24:


Zareth posted...
Donkeys, camels and horses were conditioned by man for transportation. Pigs were conditioned to be raised for food. Penguins, seals, snakes, rhinos, and rabbits weren't.

So.. are you okay with eating all of them?
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Revelation34
05/28/17 5:55:45 PM
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Zareth posted...
Donkeys, camels and horses were conditioned by man for transportation. Pigs were conditioned to be raised for food. Penguins, seals, snakes, rhinos, and rabbits weren't.


Says who? People hunt rabbits all the time.
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EightySeven
05/28/17 6:05:31 PM
#26:


ParanoidObsessive posted...
Was going to point this out. We're incredibly cruel to food animals in general - if we started banning meats because of inhumane treatment before the slaughter, we'd all wind up being forced to be vegans.


I don't think we'd have to be vegans, but poor people would certainly have to eat a lot less meat than they currently do.
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Dikitain
05/28/17 6:06:13 PM
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I like dogs and all, but I can separate the kind of dogs used for meat and the kind of dogs we have in our home. These dogs aren't the English Terriers or Golden Retrievers that are probably sitting next to you right now, they are in essence vermin that destroy property and kill the other dogs and cats that people keep as pets. In essence killing and eating them is no worse then someone who goes deer hunting and eats the meat from that.
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Kungfu Kenobi
05/28/17 6:08:23 PM
#28:


ParanoidObsessive posted...
And the point where someone tries me to be vegan is also the point where I stab stabbing people and eating them.


Why wait? :V
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Cacciato
05/28/17 7:47:09 PM
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Revelation34 posted...
Cacciato posted...
I've got some bad news for you, big guy.


slaughter
verb
[WITH OBJECT]

1Kill (animals) for food.
‘at present the abattoir is slaughtering animals for the domestic market’

Lmao, dont even try that shit. I can go find somewhere that defines the word for my purpose too.
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Mead
05/28/17 7:48:27 PM
#30:


In my opinion dogs are the closest animals to humans psychologically and emotionally

I think that they should not be eaten
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VeeVees
05/28/17 7:51:51 PM
#31:


Zareth posted...
Donkeys, camels and horses were conditioned by man for transportation. Pigs were conditioned to be raised for food. Penguins, seals, snakes, rhinos, and rabbits weren't.


LMFAO
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The_Doge
05/28/17 8:24:08 PM
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Very cancel
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Revelation34
05/29/17 3:42:46 AM
#33:


Cacciato posted...
Lmao, dont even try that shit. I can go find somewhere that defines the word for my purpose too.


Good luck. That's from the Oxford dictionary. Anything else you would use would be shit. Not to mention that's what the word slaughter has always meant anyway.
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Zeus
05/29/17 3:53:20 AM
#34:


WarGreymon77 posted...
Who cares how they're treated? How bout this: eating cats and dogs is fucking weird and should stop.


A large number of cultures eat insects, etc, and we don't. Doesn't that make us weird?

Zareth posted...
TheSlinja posted...
WarGreymon77 posted...
Who cares how they're treated? How bout this: eating cats and dogs is fucking weird and should stop.

why is it weird?

Because we've conditioned them for thousands of years to be companion animals, and we've spent just as long raising livestock specifically for slaughter.


You're thinking of our cultural values, not theirs. Also, you're underestimating the emotional connection to livestock animals since some did serve in companion roles. It wasn't uncommon for farmers to name the animals they later slaughtered for meat.

Zareth posted...
Donkeys, camels and horses were conditioned by man for transportation. Pigs were conditioned to be raised for food. Penguins, seals, snakes, rhinos, and rabbits weren't.


Snakes and rabbits are both used for pets and for food within many of the same cultures. You might even recall that scene in Roger & Me where Michael Moore interviewed a woman who selling rabbits "for pets or for meat."
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TheCyborgNinja
05/29/17 3:57:26 AM
#35:


If they took my neighbours' dogs, I'd be all for it.
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Kungfu Kenobi
05/29/17 4:18:25 AM
#36:


Zeus posted...
A large number of cultures eat insects, etc, and we don't. Doesn't that make us weird?


Honestly, the western diet really should start including cultivated insects. Pork, Beef, and Chicken production are ecological nightmares: polluting soil and ground water, mutating viruses, breeding drug resistant bacteria, and contributing to climate change on multiple fronts.
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kingdrake2
05/29/17 4:20:33 AM
#37:


Mead posted...
In my opinion dogs are the closest animals to humans psychologically and emotionally

I think that they should not be eaten


true, dog's are mans best friend they don't deserve to be eaten.
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Revelation34
05/29/17 4:35:18 AM
#38:


kingdrake2 posted...
true, dog's are mans best friend they don't deserve to be eaten.


What about cats if they act like a dog?
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OneTimeBen
05/29/17 4:39:57 AM
#39:


A few months ago I posted a link to a petition to stop this and hopefully some signed it. Rather then making jokes or comparisons to pigs and cows.
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Revelation34
05/29/17 4:40:47 AM
#40:


OneTimeBen posted...
A few months ago I posted a link to a petition to stop this and hopefully some signed it. Rather then making jokes or comparisons to pigs and cows.


Petitions don't work. Especially not for something happening in China.
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Zeus
05/29/17 4:42:16 AM
#41:


OneTimeBen posted...
A few months ago I posted a link to a petition to stop this and hopefully some signed it. Rather then making jokes or comparisons to pigs and cows.


"Yeah! Let's make an online petition! That'll show them!"

While we're at it, we can petition Kim Jong not to be such a jerk.
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OneTimeBen
05/29/17 4:45:04 AM
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Zeus posted...
OneTimeBen posted...
A few months ago I posted a link to a petition to stop this and hopefully some signed it. Rather then making jokes or comparisons to pigs and cows.


"Yeah! Let's make an online petition! That'll show them!"

While we're at it, we can petition Kim Jong not to be such a jerk.

Said I posted a link. I didn't start it. I heard about it on Bill Burrs' podcast.
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OneTimeBen
05/29/17 5:39:02 AM
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SusanGreenEyes posted...
Why would people in China care whether or not we oppose their festival?
I see people posting online for signatures, but I don't see how that would help.

You part of the problem.
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Sarcasthma
05/29/17 6:28:14 AM
#46:


OneTimeBen posted...
SusanGreenEyes posted...
Why would people in China care whether or not we oppose their festival?
I see people posting online for signatures, but I don't see how that would help.

You part of the problem.

Okay, Mr. Slacktivist.
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OneTimeBen
05/29/17 6:34:17 AM
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Sarcasthma posted...
OneTimeBen posted...
SusanGreenEyes posted...
Why would people in China care whether or not we oppose their festival?
I see people posting online for signatures, but I don't see how that would help.

You part of the problem.

Okay, Mr. Slacktivist.

Take that as badge. We all learn about shit happening. Sometimes we can do something about it. I'm not out to change the world but when certain things are brought to your attention why not.
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Sarcasthma
05/29/17 6:42:20 AM
#48:


OneTimeBen posted...
I'm not out to change the world but when certain things are brought to your attention why not.

Because it won't change anything and you have better ways to spend your time?
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OneTimeBen
05/29/17 6:45:25 AM
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Sarcasthma posted...
OneTimeBen posted...
I'm not out to change the world but when certain things are brought to your attention why not.

Because it won't change anything and you have better ways to spend your time?

Uh it did change already. Supposedly. Dog meat was not to be for sale. I'm sure it was eaten.
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Sarcasthma
05/29/17 6:51:41 AM
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OneTimeBen posted...
Uh it did change already. Supposedly. Dog meat was not to be for sale. I'm sure it was eaten.

Source? Concerning the first two sentences, I mean.

I have no idea what the hell you're trying to say with those last two sentences.
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OneTimeBen
05/29/17 7:00:49 AM
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Sarcasthma posted...
OneTimeBen posted...
Uh it did change already. Supposedly. Dog meat was not to be for sale. I'm sure it was eaten.

Source? Concerning the first two sentences, I mean.

I have no idea what the hell you're trying to say with those last two sentences.

Meaning even though it was illegal to sell it was no doubt consumed
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Tropic_Sunset
05/29/17 7:01:33 AM
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Revelation34 posted...
Cacciato posted...
Lmao, dont even try that shit. I can go find somewhere that defines the word for my purpose too.


Good luck. That's from the Oxford dictionary. Anything else you would use would be shit. Not to mention that's what the word slaughter has always meant anyway.


Shit, I'll take a crack at it. Let's just post the rest of that definition:

slaughter
VERB

[WITH OBJECT]
1Kill (animals) for food.
‘at present the abattoir is slaughtering animals for the domestic market’

1.1 Kill (people or animals) in a cruel or violent way, typically in large numbers.
‘innocent civilians are being slaughtered’

1.2informal Defeat (an opponent) thoroughly.
‘the first team were slaughtered’


So, if the animals being harvested for products other than meat are:
-Killed in a cruel or violent way, especially in large numbers

It still fits the definition of slaughter.

https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/slaughter

But what are the definitions of cruel and violent? If either of them can be used to describe killing animals for products other than meat, I guess it counts.

https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/cruel

cruel
ADJECTIVE

1Wilfully causing pain or suffering to others, or feeling no concern about it.
‘people who are cruel to animals’
‘a cruel remark’

1.1 Causing pain or suffering.
‘the winters are long, hard, and cruel’


https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/violent

violent
ADJECTIVE

1Using or involving physical force intended to hurt, damage, or kill someone or something.
‘a violent confrontation with riot police’

1.1Law Involving an unlawful exercise or exhibition of force.


Cruel arguably fits, but violent definitely does. No matter how you slice it, using physical force to kill something (animals) for the purposes of gathering animal products is a violent act according to the Oxford Dictionary, and thus constitutes slaughtering them according to the internal logic of your own qualified authority.
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