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EndOfDiscOne
05/22/17 1:49:49 PM
#1:


Was the gym right to ban him?



http://www.nbc29.com/story/35487264/alt-right-leader-loses-gym-membership-after-confrontation

A leading figure in the "alt-right" movement had his gym membership revoked after a Georgetown University professor confronted him during a workout and called him a neo-Nazi.

Professor C. Christine Fair told The Associated Press on Monday that the Old Town Sport&Health club in Alexandria, Virginia, informed her that it terminated the membership of white nationalist Richard Spencer following last Wednesday's confrontation in the gym.

The gym's general manager didn't immediately respond to a call for comment. Fair said she believes the gym made a "business decision" in pulling Spencer's membership.

Spencer told BuzzFeed that he didn't think the gym's decision was fair. The website published a copy of the gym's termination letter to Spencer, and it didn't cite a reason.

"I'm really a model gymgoer. I don't bother anyone. I don't talk to anyone. I really just go and lift weights," Spencer said.

Fair, who teaches at Georgetown's School of Foreign Service, published photos of her confrontation with Spencer in a blog post. She said he denied being Richard Spencer when she asked him if that's his name.

"I said, 'Oh, not only are you a Nazi, you're a cowardly Nazi," she recalled.

Fair said another gym member, a white woman, yelled at her "for making a scene" and threatened to call police.

Spencer said he was "peacefully working out" when Fair confronted him.

"I don't come to the gym to do politics. But she started screeching and yelling all this stuff," said Spencer, who popularized the term "alt-right" to describe a fringe movement that's a loose mix of racist, anti-Semitic and anti-immigration views.

Fair said she would do it again - and urged others to confront haters wherever they can.

"I really do think we're in this 'Germany-1932' moment," she said. "The worst thing we can do is be silent and pretend that just because he didn't bring his torch to the gym, he's only a Nazi from 9 to 5."

Spencer, who runs the nonprofit National Policy Institute, has advocated for an "ethno-state" that would be a "safe space" for white people. After President Donald Trump's election, he hosted a conference in Washington where he shouted "Hail Trump, hail our people, hail victory!" and the audience responded with Nazi salutes.

The mayor of Charlottesville, Virginia, became the target of Twitter trolls this month after he lashed out at torch-toting white nationalists who protested in his city, a gathering that included Spencer.

Fair said anonymous internet trolls also sent her a slew of hateful emails and social media messages after publishing her home address and telephone number.

But she argues the gym had a right to revoke Spencer's membership because his presence could create a hostile work environment for employees, some of whom are black.

"There is no First Amendment issue here," she said. "This is a private club that can regulate speech as it sees fit."


While I don't agree with his views, and I support the right of a private business to refuse service to whomever they want, I think it's poor form to ban someone for personal beliefs that they are not bringing with them to the gym.
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Jakyl25
05/22/17 1:55:46 PM
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Even when those beliefs are openly embracing racism and hatred?

It's not like there's controversy where people call him a white supremacist and he says "no that's not right." Dude self-brands as such.

Like it says, you can't just be a 9-5 Nazi then turn your beliefs off after work. He is out there publicly fighting for a world where whites kill and enslave non-whites.

That cannot be normalized as a "different belief."
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EndOfDiscOne
05/22/17 1:57:28 PM
#3:


Sure his views are abhorrent, but I would not ban him if he were keeping to himself and not breaking any rules of the gym.
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Jakyl25
05/22/17 2:00:15 PM
#4:


He's not keeping his views to himself. He's very publicly advocating them and getting media coverage for them.

Just because he's not doing it AT THE GYM makes no difference.
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GuessMyUserName
05/22/17 2:02:25 PM
#5:


Gym doesn't wanna welcome scum. Fair, next.
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WickIebee
05/22/17 2:04:14 PM
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GuessMyUserName posted...
Gym doesn't wanna welcome scum. Fair, next.


Except they did. The gym let him in in the first place.
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SupremeZero
05/22/17 2:05:12 PM
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WickIebee posted...
GuessMyUserName posted...
Gym doesn't wanna welcome scum. Fair, next.


Except they did. The gym let him in in the first place.

Presumably they did not know he was scum at the time.
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EndOfDiscOne
05/22/17 2:09:56 PM
#9:


I assume you guys are okay with the other end of the spectrum too, where a photographer could refuse service to a gay couple on the grounds of being against gay marriage, just to be clear.

Or do you support more of the policing of certain views? Would you say this guy should be arrested for speaking out as he does?
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ImTheMacheteGuy
05/22/17 2:13:16 PM
#10:


Awww, nazis need a safe space? Adorable.
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Kenri
05/22/17 2:14:32 PM
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EndOfDiscOne posted...
Would you say this guy should be arrested for speaking out as he does?

Nah, he should be given a platform.

Preferably an easily removable one, with a noose above it.
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WickIebee
05/22/17 2:18:36 PM
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ImTheMacheteGuy posted...
Awww, nazis need a safe space? Adorable.


Except the gym's gm is the one crying about needing it to be a safe space.
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ImTheMacheteGuy
05/22/17 2:23:19 PM
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WickIebee posted...
ImTheMacheteGuy posted...
Awww, nazis need a safe space? Adorable.


Except the gym's gm is the one crying about needing it to be a safe space.


Nah, seems like the gm just doesn't like nazis
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tazzyboyishere
05/22/17 2:24:39 PM
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EndOfDiscOne posted...
"There is no First Amendment issue here," she said. "This is a private club that can regulate speech as it sees fit."

Fair, next.
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GuessMyUserName
05/22/17 2:26:58 PM
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EndOfDiscOne posted...
I assume you guys are okay with the other end of the spectrum too, where a photographer could refuse service to a gay couple on the grounds of being against gay marriage, just to be clear.

Or do you support more of the policing of certain views? Would you say this guy should be arrested for speaking out as he does?

....... being gay and being alt-right aren't the same thing by any stretch of the imagination, wtf?
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EndOfDiscOne
05/22/17 2:35:59 PM
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GuessMyUserName posted...
EndOfDiscOne posted...
I assume you guys are okay with the other end of the spectrum too, where a photographer could refuse service to a gay couple on the grounds of being against gay marriage, just to be clear.

Or do you support more of the policing of certain views? Would you say this guy should be arrested for speaking out as he does?

....... being gay and being alt-right aren't the same thing by any stretch of the imagination, wtf?


Sigh
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Ashethan
05/22/17 2:36:10 PM
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EndOfDiscOne posted...
I assume you guys are okay with the other end of the spectrum too, where a photographer could refuse service to a gay couple on the grounds of being against gay marriage, just to be clear.


I think this is more like a golf course refusing to allow women to play. The gym isn't open to the public--it's open to members. Whether it's fair or not gets a bit complicated.
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SupremeZero
05/22/17 2:39:27 PM
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There's also the fact that this guy regularly incites violence, and has been shown that violence basically follows him around, which is generally speaking not a thing you want in your establishment unless it's, like, a boxing ring or something.
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Not_an_Owl
05/22/17 2:41:09 PM
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EndOfDiscOne posted...
GuessMyUserName posted...
EndOfDiscOne posted...
I assume you guys are okay with the other end of the spectrum too, where a photographer could refuse service to a gay couple on the grounds of being against gay marriage, just to be clear.

Or do you support more of the policing of certain views? Would you say this guy should be arrested for speaking out as he does?

....... being gay and being alt-right aren't the same thing by any stretch of the imagination, wtf?


Sigh

Gay people getting married does not affect anyone other than those making the conscious choice to get married.

Neo-nazis like Spencer incite violence and advocate for race wars, which negatively impact the life and liberty of other people.

These two things are equivalent because...?
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EndOfDiscOne
05/22/17 2:45:35 PM
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Not_an_Owl posted...
EndOfDiscOne posted...
GuessMyUserName posted...
EndOfDiscOne posted...
I assume you guys are okay with the other end of the spectrum too, where a photographer could refuse service to a gay couple on the grounds of being against gay marriage, just to be clear.

Or do you support more of the policing of certain views? Would you say this guy should be arrested for speaking out as he does?

....... being gay and being alt-right aren't the same thing by any stretch of the imagination, wtf?


Sigh

Gay people getting married does not affect anyone other than those making the conscious choice to get married.

Neo-nazis like Spencer incite violence and advocate for race wars, which negatively impact the life and liberty of other people.

These two things are equivalent because...?


They're just two real life examples, and bring up discussion of whether it is okay for a business to refuse service to someone they are uncomfortable serving based on their lifestyle, orientation, affiliation, whatever. The sigh was because I was reminded of why I mostly stay out of political discussions anymore. It's exhausting and people will deliberately miscontrue your points. I don't even have strong opinions on this stuff.
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Not_an_Owl
05/22/17 2:49:59 PM
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EndOfDiscOne posted...
They're just two real life examples, and bring up discussion of whether it is okay for a business to refuse service to someone they are uncomfortable serving based on their lifestyle, orientation, affiliation, whatever.

Here's your dividing line:
Not_an_Owl posted...
Gay people getting married does not affect anyone other than those making the conscious choice to get married.

Neo-nazis like Spencer incite violence and advocate for race wars, which negatively impact the life and liberty of other people.

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SupremeZero
05/22/17 2:50:42 PM
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EndOfDiscOne posted...
Not_an_Owl posted...
EndOfDiscOne posted...
GuessMyUserName posted...
EndOfDiscOne posted...
I assume you guys are okay with the other end of the spectrum too, where a photographer could refuse service to a gay couple on the grounds of being against gay marriage, just to be clear.

Or do you support more of the policing of certain views? Would you say this guy should be arrested for speaking out as he does?

....... being gay and being alt-right aren't the same thing by any stretch of the imagination, wtf?


Sigh

Gay people getting married does not affect anyone other than those making the conscious choice to get married.

Neo-nazis like Spencer incite violence and advocate for race wars, which negatively impact the life and liberty of other people.

These two things are equivalent because...?


They're just two real life examples, and bring up discussion of whether it is okay for a business to refuse service to someone they are uncomfortable serving based on their lifestyle, orientation, affiliation, whatever. The sigh was because I was reminded of why I mostly stay out of political discussions anymore. It's exhausting and people will deliberately miscontrue your points. I don't even have strong opinions on this stuff.

Then potentially you should have compared it to something more directly comparable.

Maybe an Antifa member.
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TheRock1525
05/22/17 2:51:00 PM
#24:


The left equivalent of Spencer would be a gay rights advocate who is pushing views that straight people should be removed from society for the sake preserving the glorious homosexual society.

Not a same sex couple wanting to get married.
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Emeraldegg
05/22/17 2:53:24 PM
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I'm fine with someone having a terrible worldview that actively involves them hurting tons of innocent people being refused service, even if it's questionable in business terms.
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pjbasis
05/22/17 2:53:34 PM
#26:


Jakyl25 posted...
That cannot be normalized as a "different belief."


I really hate this idea of normalizing and stuff.

But fair, next.
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tazzyboyishere
05/22/17 2:54:29 PM
#27:


TheRock1525 posted...
The left equivalent of Spencer would be a gay rights advocate who is pushing views that straight people should be removed from society for the sake preserving the glorious homosexual society.

Not a same sex couple wanting to get married.

Shut up, snowflake
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GuessMyUserName
05/22/17 3:00:08 PM
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TheRock1525 posted...
The left equivalent of Spencer would be a gay rights advocate who is pushing views that straight people should be removed from society for the sake preserving the glorious homosexual society.

Not a same sex couple wanting to get married.

This, more-or-less

Gay is a sexual orientation, alt-right is an ideology. Your comparison simply has zero relationship, you might as well be asking about banning black people.
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HeroicGammaRay
05/22/17 3:02:05 PM
#29:


next all privately owned stores should refuse to serve him and he should starve to death
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SupremeZero
05/22/17 3:04:14 PM
#30:


HeroicGammaRay posted...
next all privately owned stores should refuse to serve him and he should starve to death

He actually apparently lives above a bakery or something.
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foolm0r0n
05/22/17 3:09:56 PM
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EndOfDiscOne posted...
personal beliefs that they are not bringing with them to the gym

Where are they leaving them?
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SupremeZero
05/22/17 3:10:06 PM
#33:


ExThaNemesis posted...
not only should he be refused service he should be followed around and punched in the face and killed whenever possible

Conveniently Society appears to be on it.
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foolm0r0n
05/22/17 3:11:06 PM
#34:


ExThaNemesis posted...
not only should he be refused service he should be followed around and punched in the face and killed whenever possible

killed once a week max imo
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ExThaNemesis
05/22/17 3:30:18 PM
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foolm0r0n posted...
killed once a week max imo


lenin would be disappointed
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Eddv
05/22/17 3:32:04 PM
#36:


Hes not just some alt right guy - its richard spencer
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Vlado
05/22/17 3:46:40 PM
#37:


Sorry, commies, your position is not any more normal than Spencer's. Also, it's naive to think he's extreme. His ideology is not nearly as extreme as globalism (on the other side of the spectrum).

Also, this is idiotic as hell. Guy gets attacked by someone, and he gets punished for it? What? I hope these morons go bankrupt.
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scarletspeed7
05/22/17 3:48:40 PM
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Joseph McCarthy, Vlado... put Vlado in HUAC and the only films that would get made would be from Marvel. Imagine that horror. Weekly films featuring the Fantastic Four.
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Not_an_Owl
05/22/17 3:48:49 PM
#39:


I was wondering how long it would take for someone to defend the literal nazi. Turns out it was a little under two hours.
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05/22/17 3:48:55 PM
#40:


I hate when political stuff escapes the politics topic.
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scarletspeed7
05/22/17 3:49:52 PM
#41:


Eddv posted...
Hes not just some alt right guy - its richard spencer

@Eddv

Did you say Richard Spencer?

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MoogleKupo141
05/22/17 3:50:13 PM
#42:


Vlado posted...
Sorry, commies, your position is not any more normal than Spencer's. Also, it's naive to think he's extreme. His ideology is not nearly as extreme as globalism (on the other side of the spectrum).

Also, this is idiotic as hell. Guy gets attacked by someone, and he gets punished for it? What? I hope these morons go bankrupt.


globalism is the other side of the spectrum from literal white supremacist, huh?

sounds like globalist is a good thing to be
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foolm0r0n
05/22/17 3:51:39 PM
#43:


Vlado posted...
I hope these morons go bankrupt.

99% of people in the world agree with you and him so they will. The vocal minority can't succeed when business is involved.
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Eddv
05/22/17 3:54:01 PM
#45:


scarletspeed7 posted...
Eddv posted...
Hes not just some alt right guy - its richard spencer

@Eddv

Did you say Richard Spencer?

EKgK4XC


I am like 90% sure his name is John Spencer!
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foolm0r0n
05/22/17 3:54:27 PM
#46:


MoogleKupo141 posted...
globalism is the other side of the spectrum from literal white supremacist, huh?

He is a massive supporter of Trump, arguably the most powerful globalist in the world right now. He's the opposite of globalists like 1998 voters are opposite of 2001 voters.
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scarletspeed7
05/22/17 3:54:31 PM
#47:


Oh shit, I always thought his name was Richard Spencer!
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redrocket_pub
05/22/17 3:55:36 PM
#48:


Would anyone's opinion on this be changed if he were openly a Grand Wizard in the KKK?

Because that is literally what the alt-rignt is. They are trying to normalize and regain mainstream acceptance for KKK ideology by "rebranding" themselves.
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banananor
05/22/17 4:07:50 PM
#49:


the law says you can bar people for any reason other than them being part of a protected class

"hating other races" isn't a protected class

fair, next
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ImTheMacheteGuy
05/22/17 5:32:12 PM
#50:


Vlado posted...
globalism


New, unexpected and shocking development
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waterdeepchu
05/22/17 5:40:01 PM
#51:


EndOfDiscOne posted...
I assume you guys are okay with the other end of the spectrum too, where a photographer could refuse service to a gay couple on the grounds of being against gay marriage, just to be clear.

Or do you support more of the policing of certain views? Would you say this guy should be arrested for speaking out as he does?


The guy in question is someone who promotes and engages with ideologies designed around exclusion and hatred of people.

Gay people on the other hand, simply don't want to be hated for who they are.

Its very different.
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Dantezoid
05/22/17 5:42:26 PM
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I wonder if he could win a lawsuit if people refused to sell him food if he were literally starving to death
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MZero11
05/22/17 5:48:48 PM
#53:


sure, but they should also be allowed to refuse service to anyone for any other political belief too
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AfroSquirrel
05/22/17 5:56:32 PM
#54:


I support banning people from establishments who support banning people from establishments.
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