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EndOfDiscOne 05/22/17 1:49:49 PM #1: |
A leading figure in the "alt-right" movement had his gym membership revoked after a Georgetown University professor confronted him during a workout and called him a neo-Nazi. While I don't agree with his views, and I support the right of a private business to refuse service to whomever they want, I think it's poor form to ban someone for personal beliefs that they are not bringing with them to the gym. --- Ulti was right ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Jakyl25 05/22/17 1:55:46 PM #2: |
Even when those beliefs are openly embracing racism and hatred?
It's not like there's controversy where people call him a white supremacist and he says "no that's not right." Dude self-brands as such. Like it says, you can't just be a 9-5 Nazi then turn your beliefs off after work. He is out there publicly fighting for a world where whites kill and enslave non-whites. That cannot be normalized as a "different belief." --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvGKDK2WIAAmKTf?format=jpg&name=large ... Copied to Clipboard!
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EndOfDiscOne 05/22/17 1:57:28 PM #3: |
Sure his views are abhorrent, but I would not ban him if he were keeping to himself and not breaking any rules of the gym.
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Jakyl25 05/22/17 2:00:15 PM #4: |
He's not keeping his views to himself. He's very publicly advocating them and getting media coverage for them.
Just because he's not doing it AT THE GYM makes no difference. --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvGKDK2WIAAmKTf?format=jpg&name=large ... Copied to Clipboard!
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GuessMyUserName 05/22/17 2:02:25 PM #5: |
Gym doesn't wanna welcome scum. Fair, next.
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WickIebee 05/22/17 2:04:14 PM #7: |
GuessMyUserName posted...
Gym doesn't wanna welcome scum. Fair, next. Except they did. The gym let him in in the first place. --- New season, new loli gif. http://i.imgur.com/YSAfPrE.gif ... Copied to Clipboard!
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SupremeZero 05/22/17 2:05:12 PM #8: |
WickIebee posted...
GuessMyUserName posted...Gym doesn't wanna welcome scum. Fair, next. Presumably they did not know he was scum at the time. --- There's always hope for better things in life. But you can't let anything, friend, lover,God himself,be your hope. You have to be your own hope ... Copied to Clipboard!
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EndOfDiscOne 05/22/17 2:09:56 PM #9: |
I assume you guys are okay with the other end of the spectrum too, where a photographer could refuse service to a gay couple on the grounds of being against gay marriage, just to be clear.
Or do you support more of the policing of certain views? Would you say this guy should be arrested for speaking out as he does? --- Ulti was right ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ImTheMacheteGuy 05/22/17 2:13:16 PM #10: |
Awww, nazis need a safe space? Adorable.
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Kenri 05/22/17 2:14:32 PM #11: |
EndOfDiscOne posted...
Would you say this guy should be arrested for speaking out as he does? Nah, he should be given a platform. Preferably an easily removable one, with a noose above it. --- The gurus prayed, but the prayer was absorbed by DpObliVion. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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WickIebee 05/22/17 2:18:36 PM #12: |
ImTheMacheteGuy posted...
Awww, nazis need a safe space? Adorable. Except the gym's gm is the one crying about needing it to be a safe space. --- New season, new loli gif. http://i.imgur.com/YSAfPrE.gif ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ImTheMacheteGuy 05/22/17 2:23:19 PM #13: |
WickIebee posted...
ImTheMacheteGuy posted...Awww, nazis need a safe space? Adorable. Nah, seems like the gm just doesn't like nazis --- Place-holder sig because new phone and old sigs not saved :/ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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tazzyboyishere 05/22/17 2:24:39 PM #14: |
EndOfDiscOne posted...
"There is no First Amendment issue here," she said. "This is a private club that can regulate speech as it sees fit." Fair, next. --- http://i.imgur.com/l7xxLh1.jpg PSN/Steam - RoboQuote ; NNID - TazzyMan ... Copied to Clipboard!
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GuessMyUserName 05/22/17 2:26:58 PM #15: |
EndOfDiscOne posted...
I assume you guys are okay with the other end of the spectrum too, where a photographer could refuse service to a gay couple on the grounds of being against gay marriage, just to be clear. ....... being gay and being alt-right aren't the same thing by any stretch of the imagination, wtf? --- I request affiliated many pipes. Been a bad girl, I know I am. And I'm so hot, I need a fan. I don't want a boy, I need a man. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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EndOfDiscOne 05/22/17 2:35:59 PM #17: |
GuessMyUserName posted...
EndOfDiscOne posted...I assume you guys are okay with the other end of the spectrum too, where a photographer could refuse service to a gay couple on the grounds of being against gay marriage, just to be clear. Sigh --- Ulti was right ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Ashethan 05/22/17 2:36:10 PM #18: |
EndOfDiscOne posted...
I assume you guys are okay with the other end of the spectrum too, where a photographer could refuse service to a gay couple on the grounds of being against gay marriage, just to be clear. I think this is more like a golf course refusing to allow women to play. The gym isn't open to the public--it's open to members. Whether it's fair or not gets a bit complicated. --- Growing up, I wish some teacher told me "You probably won't ever need this, but if you don't learn it, you might miss out on something really cool." ... Copied to Clipboard!
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SupremeZero 05/22/17 2:39:27 PM #19: |
There's also the fact that this guy regularly incites violence, and has been shown that violence basically follows him around, which is generally speaking not a thing you want in your establishment unless it's, like, a boxing ring or something.
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Not_an_Owl 05/22/17 2:41:09 PM #20: |
EndOfDiscOne posted...
GuessMyUserName posted...EndOfDiscOne posted...I assume you guys are okay with the other end of the spectrum too, where a photographer could refuse service to a gay couple on the grounds of being against gay marriage, just to be clear. Gay people getting married does not affect anyone other than those making the conscious choice to get married. Neo-nazis like Spencer incite violence and advocate for race wars, which negatively impact the life and liberty of other people. These two things are equivalent because...? --- Besides, marijuana is far more harmful than steroids. - BlitzBomb I headbang to Bruckner. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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EndOfDiscOne 05/22/17 2:45:35 PM #21: |
Not_an_Owl posted...
EndOfDiscOne posted...GuessMyUserName posted...EndOfDiscOne posted...I assume you guys are okay with the other end of the spectrum too, where a photographer could refuse service to a gay couple on the grounds of being against gay marriage, just to be clear. They're just two real life examples, and bring up discussion of whether it is okay for a business to refuse service to someone they are uncomfortable serving based on their lifestyle, orientation, affiliation, whatever. The sigh was because I was reminded of why I mostly stay out of political discussions anymore. It's exhausting and people will deliberately miscontrue your points. I don't even have strong opinions on this stuff. --- Ulti was right ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Not_an_Owl 05/22/17 2:49:59 PM #22: |
EndOfDiscOne posted...
They're just two real life examples, and bring up discussion of whether it is okay for a business to refuse service to someone they are uncomfortable serving based on their lifestyle, orientation, affiliation, whatever. Here's your dividing line: Not_an_Owl posted... Gay people getting married does not affect anyone other than those making the conscious choice to get married. --- Besides, marijuana is far more harmful than steroids. - BlitzBomb I headbang to Bruckner. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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SupremeZero 05/22/17 2:50:42 PM #23: |
EndOfDiscOne posted...
Not_an_Owl posted...EndOfDiscOne posted...GuessMyUserName posted...EndOfDiscOne posted...I assume you guys are okay with the other end of the spectrum too, where a photographer could refuse service to a gay couple on the grounds of being against gay marriage, just to be clear. Then potentially you should have compared it to something more directly comparable. Maybe an Antifa member. --- There's always hope for better things in life. But you can't let anything, friend, lover,God himself,be your hope. You have to be your own hope ... Copied to Clipboard!
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TheRock1525 05/22/17 2:51:00 PM #24: |
The left equivalent of Spencer would be a gay rights advocate who is pushing views that straight people should be removed from society for the sake preserving the glorious homosexual society.
Not a same sex couple wanting to get married. --- TheRock ~ I had a name, my father called me Blues. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Emeraldegg 05/22/17 2:53:24 PM #25: |
I'm fine with someone having a terrible worldview that actively involves them hurting tons of innocent people being refused service, even if it's questionable in business terms.
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pjbasis 05/22/17 2:53:34 PM #26: |
Jakyl25 posted...
That cannot be normalized as a "different belief." I really hate this idea of normalizing and stuff. But fair, next. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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tazzyboyishere 05/22/17 2:54:29 PM #27: |
TheRock1525 posted...
The left equivalent of Spencer would be a gay rights advocate who is pushing views that straight people should be removed from society for the sake preserving the glorious homosexual society. Shut up, snowflake --- http://i.imgur.com/l7xxLh1.jpg PSN/Steam - RoboQuote ; NNID - TazzyMan ... Copied to Clipboard!
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GuessMyUserName 05/22/17 3:00:08 PM #28: |
TheRock1525 posted...
The left equivalent of Spencer would be a gay rights advocate who is pushing views that straight people should be removed from society for the sake preserving the glorious homosexual society. This, more-or-less Gay is a sexual orientation, alt-right is an ideology. Your comparison simply has zero relationship, you might as well be asking about banning black people. --- I request affiliated many pipes. Been a bad girl, I know I am. And I'm so hot, I need a fan. I don't want a boy, I need a man. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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HeroicGammaRay 05/22/17 3:02:05 PM #29: |
next all privately owned stores should refuse to serve him and he should starve to death
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SupremeZero 05/22/17 3:04:14 PM #30: |
HeroicGammaRay posted...
next all privately owned stores should refuse to serve him and he should starve to death He actually apparently lives above a bakery or something. --- There's always hope for better things in life. But you can't let anything, friend, lover,God himself,be your hope. You have to be your own hope ... Copied to Clipboard!
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foolm0r0n 05/22/17 3:09:56 PM #32: |
EndOfDiscOne posted...
personal beliefs that they are not bringing with them to the gym Where are they leaving them? --- _foolmo_ 2 + 2 = 4 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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SupremeZero 05/22/17 3:10:06 PM #33: |
ExThaNemesis posted...
not only should he be refused service he should be followed around and punched in the face and killed whenever possible Conveniently Society appears to be on it. --- There's always hope for better things in life. But you can't let anything, friend, lover,God himself,be your hope. You have to be your own hope ... Copied to Clipboard!
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foolm0r0n 05/22/17 3:11:06 PM #34: |
ExThaNemesis posted...
not only should he be refused service he should be followed around and punched in the face and killed whenever possible killed once a week max imo --- _foolmo_ 2 + 2 = 4 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ExThaNemesis 05/22/17 3:30:18 PM #35: |
foolm0r0n posted...
killed once a week max imo lenin would be disappointed --- "undertale hangs out with mido" - ZFS Not changing this sig until CM Punk returns to the WWE ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Eddv 05/22/17 3:32:04 PM #36: |
Hes not just some alt right guy - its richard spencer
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Vlado 05/22/17 3:46:40 PM #37: |
Sorry, commies, your position is not any more normal than Spencer's. Also, it's naive to think he's extreme. His ideology is not nearly as extreme as globalism (on the other side of the spectrum).
Also, this is idiotic as hell. Guy gets attacked by someone, and he gets punished for it? What? I hope these morons go bankrupt. --- Blitzball fan? Try Captain Tsubasa II (in English) for NES! Best game reviews: http://betweenlifeandgames.com ... Copied to Clipboard!
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scarletspeed7 05/22/17 3:48:40 PM #38: |
Joseph McCarthy, Vlado... put Vlado in HUAC and the only films that would get made would be from Marvel. Imagine that horror. Weekly films featuring the Fantastic Four.
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Not_an_Owl 05/22/17 3:48:49 PM #39: |
I was wondering how long it would take for someone to defend the literal nazi. Turns out it was a little under two hours.
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Anagram 05/22/17 3:48:55 PM #40: |
I hate when political stuff escapes the politics topic.
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scarletspeed7 05/22/17 3:49:52 PM #41: |
Eddv posted...
Hes not just some alt right guy - its richard spencer @Eddv Did you say Richard Spencer? ![]() --- "Reading would be your friend." ~Dave Meltzer ... Copied to Clipboard!
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MoogleKupo141 05/22/17 3:50:13 PM #42: |
Vlado posted...
Sorry, commies, your position is not any more normal than Spencer's. Also, it's naive to think he's extreme. His ideology is not nearly as extreme as globalism (on the other side of the spectrum). globalism is the other side of the spectrum from literal white supremacist, huh? sounds like globalist is a good thing to be --- For your SuperNiceDog. At least Kupo has class and doesn't MESSAGE the people -Dr Pizza ... Copied to Clipboard!
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foolm0r0n 05/22/17 3:51:39 PM #43: |
Vlado posted...
I hope these morons go bankrupt. 99% of people in the world agree with you and him so they will. The vocal minority can't succeed when business is involved. --- _foolmo_ 2 + 2 = 4 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Eddv 05/22/17 3:54:01 PM #45: |
scarletspeed7 posted...
Eddv posted...Hes not just some alt right guy - its richard spencer I am like 90% sure his name is John Spencer! --- Board 8's Voice of Reason http://i.imgur.com/chXIw06.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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foolm0r0n 05/22/17 3:54:27 PM #46: |
MoogleKupo141 posted...
globalism is the other side of the spectrum from literal white supremacist, huh? He is a massive supporter of Trump, arguably the most powerful globalist in the world right now. He's the opposite of globalists like 1998 voters are opposite of 2001 voters. --- _foolmo_ 2 + 2 = 4 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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scarletspeed7 05/22/17 3:54:31 PM #47: |
Oh shit, I always thought his name was Richard Spencer!
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redrocket_pub 05/22/17 3:55:36 PM #48: |
Would anyone's opinion on this be changed if he were openly a Grand Wizard in the KKK?
Because that is literally what the alt-rignt is. They are trying to normalize and regain mainstream acceptance for KKK ideology by "rebranding" themselves. --- Blasting off ... Copied to Clipboard!
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banananor 05/22/17 4:07:50 PM #49: |
the law says you can bar people for any reason other than them being part of a protected class
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ImTheMacheteGuy 05/22/17 5:32:12 PM #50: |
Vlado posted...
globalism New, unexpected and shocking development --- Place-holder sig because new phone and old sigs not saved :/ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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waterdeepchu 05/22/17 5:40:01 PM #51: |
EndOfDiscOne posted...
I assume you guys are okay with the other end of the spectrum too, where a photographer could refuse service to a gay couple on the grounds of being against gay marriage, just to be clear. The guy in question is someone who promotes and engages with ideologies designed around exclusion and hatred of people. Gay people on the other hand, simply don't want to be hated for who they are. Its very different. --- Friend Code: 2707-2146-0610 Ditto, Kecleon, Lillipup ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Dantezoid 05/22/17 5:42:26 PM #52: |
I wonder if he could win a lawsuit if people refused to sell him food if he were literally starving to death
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MZero11 05/22/17 5:48:48 PM #53: |
sure, but they should also be allowed to refuse service to anyone for any other political belief too
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AfroSquirrel 05/22/17 5:56:32 PM #54: |
I support banning people from establishments who support banning people from establishments.
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