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Muffinz0rz
05/20/17 4:25:43 PM
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inb4HILLARYISASAUDISHILL
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Judgmenl
05/20/17 4:29:53 PM
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What a fucking tool. We should be annihilating the Saudis, not giving them weapons.
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Zeus
05/20/17 4:37:10 PM
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No link or source listed, tsk, tsk.
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Mead
05/20/17 4:43:33 PM
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Zeus posted...
No link or source listed, tsk, tsk.


Is there one you won't claim is a biased outlet?
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WastelandCowboy
05/20/17 4:45:42 PM
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http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/19/politics/jared-kushner-saudi-arms-deal-lockheed-martin/

Riyadh, Saudi Arabia (CNN)President Donald Trump signed a nearly $110 billion defense deal with Saudi Arabia's King Salman bin Abdulaziz Al Saud on Saturday, signaling the United States' renewed commitment to its alliance with the Gulf kingdom and desire to bolster its counterterrorism partnership.

The deal was finalized in part thanks to the direct involvement of Jared Kushner, the President's son-in-law and senior adviser. He shocked a high-level Saudi delegation earlier this month when he personally called Lockheed Martin CEO Marillyn Hewson and asked if she would cut the price of a sophisticated missile detection system, according to a source with knowledge of the call.

Pressured to finalize a massive $100-plus billion arms deal in the two weeks leading up to Trump's trip to Saudi Arabia, Kushner hoped to maneuver a discount on Lockheed's Terminal High Altitude Area Defense (THAAD) system during the Saudis' visit to the White House on May 1 -- a request that Hewson said she would look into at the time.

The New York Times first reported the exchange between Kushner and Hewson.

On Saturday, near the end of Trump's first day in the kingdom, the two leaders inked a deal greenlighting a $109 billion defense deal, which Secretary of State Rex Tillerson said was a component of $350 billion in economic and defense investments between the two countries over the next 10 years.

Lockheed's Hewson was on hand Saturday in the cavernous Riyadh ballroom where Trump and Salman made the deal official.

The company was "proud to be part of this historic announcement that will strengthen the relationship between" the US and Saudi Arabia," Hewson said. The sales authorized under the deal would bolster Saudi Arabia's security, provide an economic boon to both countries and "strengthen the cause of peace in the region," she added.
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FrndNhbrHdCEman
05/20/17 4:50:03 PM
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Mead posted...
Zeus posted...
No link or source listed, tsk, tsk.


Is there one you won't claim is a biased outlet?

Found it. https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonaldTrump
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Mead
05/20/17 4:52:35 PM
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So who pays the 110 billion?

It's us, isn't it?
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FrndNhbrHdCEman
05/20/17 4:53:20 PM
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Sure af ain't Don.
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Zeus
05/20/17 4:58:58 PM
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Mead posted...
Zeus posted...
No link or source listed, tsk, tsk.


Is there one you won't claim is a biased outlet?


Sure, the ones which aren't biased.
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Hejiru
05/20/17 5:07:03 PM
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What a hypocrite.
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yutterh
05/20/17 5:16:54 PM
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Mead posted...
So who pays the 110 billion?

It's us, isn't it?


Wait i thought they were paying us $110 billion to protect them or give them our weapons? We are paying them money to bolster their own defenses?
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WhiskeyDisk
05/20/17 5:31:46 PM
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We're really going to bolster our antiterrorism alliance by giving the nation that funded the damned 9/11 hijackers in the first place billions in weapons.

What could possibly go wrong?
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yutterh
05/20/17 5:33:25 PM
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WhiskeyDisk posted...
We're really going to bolster our antiterrorism alliance by giving the nation that funded the damned 9/11 hijackers in the first place billions in weapons.

What could possibly go wrong?


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Mead
05/20/17 5:44:11 PM
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Zeus posted...
Mead posted...
Zeus posted...
No link or source listed, tsk, tsk.


Is there one you won't claim is a biased outlet?


Sure, the ones which aren't biased.


Do you have any examples?
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ParanoidObsessive
05/20/17 5:49:36 PM
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Judgmenl posted...
What a fucking tool. We should be annihilating the Saudis, not giving them weapons.

We've been paying them off with money and weapons for 72 years, why stop now?


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KevinceKostner
05/20/17 5:49:54 PM
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Mead posted...
Zeus posted...
Mead posted...
Zeus posted...
No link or source listed, tsk, tsk.


Is there one you won't claim is a biased outlet?


Sure, the ones which aren't biased.


Do you have any examples?

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WhiskeyDisk
05/20/17 5:55:02 PM
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ParanoidObsessive posted...
Judgmenl posted...
What a fucking tool. We should be annihilating the Saudis, not giving them weapons.

We've been paying them off with money and weapons for 72 years, why stop now?

I would have thought the time to stop propping up the house of Saud would have been when we found out they bankrolled the 9/11 attacks but I guess we just couldn't embarass old friends of the Bush family.
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ParanoidObsessive
05/20/17 6:00:44 PM
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WhiskeyDisk posted...
I would have thought the time to stop propping up the house of Saud would have been when we found out they bankrolled the 9/11 attacks but I guess we just couldn't embarass old friends of the Bush family.

They'd been strongly and openly tied to the Wahhabi for almost 260 years before that, and Wahhabism is pretty much the core influence behind most of the fundamentalist and militant Islam in the Middle East. So if we weren't willing to cut ties with them long before that, why should 9/11 be the thing that changed our minds?


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Zeus
05/20/17 6:02:15 PM
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Mead posted...
Zeus posted...
Mead posted...
Zeus posted...
No link or source listed, tsk, tsk.


Is there one you won't claim is a biased outlet?


Sure, the ones which aren't biased.


Do you have any examples?


USA Today, for starters. I gave you a long list ages ago which ranked sources in terms of bias and reliable reporting. I'm not going to recreate the thing each time.
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Mead
05/20/17 6:02:32 PM
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Zeus posted...
Mead posted...
Zeus posted...
Mead posted...
Zeus posted...
No link or source listed, tsk, tsk.


Is there one you won't claim is a biased outlet?


Sure, the ones which aren't biased.


Do you have any examples?


USA Today, for starters. I gave you a long list ages ago which ranked sources in terms of bias and reliable reporting. I'm not going to recreate the thing each time.


Seems lazy.
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yutterh
05/20/17 6:05:34 PM
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Okay so this isn't as big of a deal as everyone is making it out to be. This is basically a defense contract for Lockheed's Terminal High Altitude Area Defense (THAAD) system. The point was that the king of saudi arabia wanted a discount on the deal so went through us.

for more information on what it is

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terminal_High_Altitude_Area_Defense

This is a good deal and we are making the $110 billion dollars. So basically the promise of others paying us for defense is being put into effect here. This is a good thing everyone, no need to be up in arms.
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Entity13
05/20/17 6:07:52 PM
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Translation: Saudis pay is the 110 billion dollars for weapons and protection, we make and ship the weapons, and the weapons go straight to the folks we're allegedly protecting against. <_<
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yutterh
05/20/17 6:09:14 PM
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Entity13 posted...
Translation: Saudis pay is the 110 billion dollars for weapons and protection, we make and ship the weapons, and the weapons go straight to the folks we're allegedly protecting against. <_<


Saudi arabia is not a terrorist group and this helps with something we desperately needed, Stabalization to the middle east. This is actually a win.
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Entity13
05/20/17 6:12:34 PM
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yutterh posted...
Entity13 posted...
Translation: Saudis pay is the 110 billion dollars for weapons and protection, we make and ship the weapons, and the weapons go straight to the folks we're allegedly protecting against. <_<


Saudi arabia is not a terrorist group and this helps with something we desperately needed, Stabalization to the middle east. This is actually a win.


Instead of going on a rant or digging for examples, I'm just going to leave you with this one simple response: "Wait for it."
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yutterh
05/20/17 6:14:50 PM
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Entity13 posted...
yutterh posted...
Entity13 posted...
Translation: Saudis pay is the 110 billion dollars for weapons and protection, we make and ship the weapons, and the weapons go straight to the folks we're allegedly protecting against. <_<


Saudi arabia is not a terrorist group and this helps with something we desperately needed, Stabalization to the middle east. This is actually a win.


Instead of going on a rant or digging for examples, I'm just going to leave you with this one simple response: "Wait for it."


That's true too. Then i shall wait : p
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WhiskeyDisk
05/20/17 7:01:17 PM
#26:


ParanoidObsessive posted...
Also, for all that you're pointing fingers at the Bush family, keep in mind that ten other Presidents - just about equally split between both political parties - had a chance to cut those ties and didn't do so either... half of them long before the Bushes come into play.

It's not really a Bush thing. It's more of a "Jesus Christ US foreign policy has been utterly insaneballs for almost 150 years" thing.

See also why most of the people we're currently at odds with in the Middle East are people we were secretly (or not so secretly) funding 30 years ago.



You're not wrong as such, but to clarify this was not a partisan dig. The Bush family has actually been thick as thieves with the house of Saud and the Bin Ladens going all the way back to Prescott Bush.
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Muffinz0rz
05/21/17 1:03:51 AM
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bump
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Funkdamental
05/21/17 3:49:16 AM
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But Trump opposes deals with Iran because the Iranians are trying to export their influence to other Middle Eastern countries and have given support to a number of unsavoury groups?
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cloelea
05/21/17 10:26:00 AM
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makes subtle sense ensuring that isis needs to be shaking in their boots, the saudi army would do right by trump
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OneTimeBen
05/21/17 10:31:20 AM
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WastelandCowboy posted...
http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/19/politics/jared-kushner-saudi-arms-deal-lockheed-martin/

Riyadh, Saudi Arabia (CNN)President Donald Trump signed a nearly $110 billion defense deal with Saudi Arabia's King Salman bin Abdulaziz Al Saud on Saturday, signaling the United States' renewed commitment to its alliance with the Gulf kingdom and desire to bolster its counterterrorism partnership.

The deal was finalized in part thanks to the direct involvement of Jared Kushner, the President's son-in-law and senior adviser. He shocked a high-level Saudi delegation earlier this month when he personally called Lockheed Martin CEO Marillyn Hewson and asked if she would cut the price of a sophisticated missile detection system, according to a source with knowledge of the call.

Pressured to finalize a massive $100-plus billion arms deal in the two weeks leading up to Trump's trip to Saudi Arabia, Kushner hoped to maneuver a discount on Lockheed's Terminal High Altitude Area Defense (THAAD) system during the Saudis' visit to the White House on May 1 -- a request that Hewson said she would look into at the time.

The New York Times first reported the exchange between Kushner and Hewson.

On Saturday, near the end of Trump's first day in the kingdom, the two leaders inked a deal greenlighting a $109 billion defense deal, which Secretary of State Rex Tillerson said was a component of $350 billion in economic and defense investments between the two countries over the next 10 years.

Lockheed's Hewson was on hand Saturday in the cavernous Riyadh ballroom where Trump and Salman made the deal official.

The company was "proud to be part of this historic announcement that will strengthen the relationship between" the US and Saudi Arabia," Hewson said. The sales authorized under the deal would bolster Saudi Arabia's security, provide an economic boon to both countries and "strengthen the cause of peace in the region," she added.

Pretty much insurance. US bases will remain and grow. To have quick reaction in the region.
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NightMareBunny
05/21/17 10:33:31 AM
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Saudi Arabia where women are treated like toilets
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OneTimeBen
05/21/17 10:40:39 AM
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NightMareBunny posted...
Saudi Arabia where women are treated like toilets

What can you do? They picked the wrong bs religion I guess.
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ParanoidObsessive
05/21/17 11:13:54 AM
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NightMareBunny posted...
Saudi Arabia where women are treated like toilets

I thought that was Japan.

Hentai has lied to me!


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Muffinz0rz
05/21/17 12:34:05 PM
#35:


OneTimeBen posted...
NightMareBunny posted...
Saudi Arabia where women are treated like toilets

What can you do? They picked the wrong bs religion I guess.

There is no "right" religion.

They're all wrong.

ipGzr3N
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OneTimeBen
05/21/17 12:43:22 PM
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Muffinz0rz posted...
OneTimeBen posted...
NightMareBunny posted...
Saudi Arabia where women are treated like toilets

What can you do? They picked the wrong bs religion I guess.

There is no "right" religion.

They're all wrong.

ipGzr3N
Yes. And would be no Saudi Arabia without the first Gulf War. Look it up. Kids think they know shit.
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TheCyborgNinja
05/21/17 2:11:47 PM
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We all know Lee Camp's show on RT is the best source for news.
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Doctor Foxx
05/21/17 6:37:51 PM
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http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/05/21/529417148/saudis-and-the-uae-will-donate-100-million-to-a-fund-inspired-by-ivanka-trump

Norm Eisen, former ethics official for the Obama Administration and a regular critic of the Trump family's conflicts of interest, noted in an email to NPR, "In my view foreign government donations to a fund run by a reputable international organization like the World Bank for a good cause are generally acceptable."

But Eisen said the donations need to be strictly vetted and must be transparent.

"Based on what we know, there's no reason to believe that those two things did not happen. That said, the hypocrisy is concerning, and the general miasma of corruption that surrounds all things Trump suggests some extra scrutiny here," he added.

"I don't see this fund as a big problem if she does not solicit [donations] and it is entirely World Bank run," said Richard Painter, former ethics adviser to the Geoorge W. Bush administration.

"But the Saudis could try letting women drive cars too. That would be good for entrepreneurship," he said.

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Muffinz0rz
05/22/17 10:34:20 AM
#39:


OneTimeBen posted...
Muffinz0rz posted...
OneTimeBen posted...
NightMareBunny posted...
Saudi Arabia where women are treated like toilets

What can you do? They picked the wrong bs religion I guess.

There is no "right" religion.

They're all wrong.

ipGzr3N
Yes. And would be no Saudi Arabia without the first Gulf War. Look it up. Kids think they know shit.

Elaborate
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Mead
05/22/17 10:36:00 AM
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Hopefully no one with epilepsy stumbles onto this topic.
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Muffinz0rz
05/22/17 10:36:19 AM
#41:


Mead posted...
Hopefully no one with epilepsy stumbles onto this topic.

I have epilepsy. This one:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juvenile_myoclonic_epilepsy
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Mead
05/22/17 10:39:03 AM
#42:


Muffinz0rz posted...
Mead posted...
Hopefully no one with epilepsy stumbles onto this topic.

I have epilepsy. This one:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juvenile_myoclonic_epilepsy


RIP
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Muffinz0rz
05/22/17 10:40:00 AM
#43:


Mead posted...
Muffinz0rz posted...
Mead posted...
Hopefully no one with epilepsy stumbles onto this topic.

I have epilepsy. This one:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juvenile_myoclonic_epilepsy


RIP

Eh could be worse. Medication has pretty much made it a non-factor.
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AwesomeTurtwig
05/22/17 7:20:38 PM
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Everyone at work is excited because a bunch of money is coming in.

Also everyone is talking about the company I work for and that's pretty neat.
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