Board 8 > Mercenaries 4 Mafia Topic 1: Stockholm Syndrome Simulator 2017

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didnt even realize Chris was playing, shouldve realized who DoomGyarados was (also the sig, I am blind)
Now I dont know how much Chrisfear has lessened over the years, but I like IGCD fearlessly criticizing his posts, so townpoints for him

On the other hand him being too lazy/stubborn to unvote someone he claims he thinks is town, strikes me as a bad quality
I mean geez IGCD
unvote already if you feel about things that way

and I agree that its too early to call Chris out for being too mellow.
Oddity seems too fixated on what happened like 6/7 years ago (2011 or 2010?), when a lot has to have changed in those years

on that subject
Kanz voting John struck me as the worst vote so far, felt random and is it really time yet to pursue inactives?
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on that subject
Kanz voting John struck me as the worst vote so far, felt random and is it really time yet to pursue inactives?

If you think he's inactive you're not paying attention. Corrik was inactive and I didn't poke him because I knew he'd get his ass in here and start doing Corrik things. Johnbobb showed up and offered a literal single line of original content well after the game had gotten properly underway. That stinks to me.

Fake edit: I went back to double check the early pages to make sure though, and I did see he made two more posts than I thought - both discussing whether him and Lopen had played together before. So that's at least a bit more substantial than I was thinking before. I'm going to sleep now and leaving my vote where it is right now, but I'll mull this over a bit when I wake up.
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I didnt realize he posted even once
does explain why you picked him out of everyone
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I'm up and getting ready for work. I'm around for roughly half an hour, death you around?
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htaeD posted...

didnt even realize Chris was playing, shouldve realized who DoomGyarados was (also the sig, I am blind)
Now I dont know how much Chrisfear has lessened over the years, but I like IGCD fearlessly criticizing his posts, so townpoints for him

On the other hand him being too lazy/stubborn to unvote someone he claims he thinks is town, strikes me as a bad quality
I mean geez IGCD
unvote already if you feel about things that way

I have never played with Chris so don't bother with town points for me over that.

The placement of my vote at this point is irrelevant, we still have over 24hrs.
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or anybody really, I just expect that death might be around.
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so IGCD please explain the reasoning behind keeping your vote on lopen.
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wait, did you vote lopen? The conversation led me to believe that was true, going back to look.
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Remember when I said "sure put the game up monday on championship day so I can be inactive the first day"?
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well, finished looking that up a bit ago, was really waiting for some sort of response. There's not much I can do in the morning if nobody posts, though.
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that sounds great corrik! Any suspicions? Also... are you really scum?
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Anyways... since i am in such a hole. I am Trdl, Town Cop.

Unknown who basically enforced the game by being a go between among an alliance.

Save me tonight. Thanks.
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Oddity posted...

that sounds great corrik! Any suspicions? Also... are you really scum?

I havent read the game yet.
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Well, I would ask if you were crazy, but it does smack of Corrik play. Knows he's a good lynch target so claims in order to laze the day away. Thanks for your input, Corrik.
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DoomTheGyarados posted...

I uh, honestly expected 'Sir Chris' to be scum so I am a bit confused by Ulti's claim.

I don't think gravy makes chris scum in this game just in deference to you since you are playing. Seems an easy pitfall there.
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Lopen posted...

IGCD you should unvote me because if I'm town I'm pretty good at finding scum but I'm generally not as good at it till we have more information on the board. I'm more of an evidence over reads kinda guy and as much fun as #NOLYNCH or whatever other fad we do to kill the first 47 hours of day 1 there ain't usually a ton there without end of day vote context.

Just wait till day 2, or day 3. Or day 5 man I'll shred so strong on day 5. Let's just never lynch me ever in fact. Very pro town play.

While we're on that note let's just all take a break until like 4 hours before deadline and everyone's scrambling-- I don't want to have to read that much to digest the day and b8 towns always get tuckered out after day 1 anyway. I think we should just pace ourselves, ya know, instead of talking about what we had for lunch or whatever. Then when day 2 hits we make that the new day 1. With less talking about lunch and more talking about lynch.

I do not like this oist but its literally a 1st vote appeal so a likely joke.
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IfGodCouldDie posted...

Oddity posted...

Well... I don't like that attitude, Lopen. Discussion helps town.

##Vote: Lopen

Honestly, I'm not sure if it's scummy, you just kind of strike me as a jerk. But it's a worth vote nonetheless :P

Completely disagree with this sentiment. Being a jerk will get you modkilled no point in wasting a vote.

I just want to toss this out here. I could see Lopen and IGCD being scum together. Him throwing a joke vite on his scummate and his scummate joking about why to get off. It is the kind of fake activity scum would like to do while putting the idea in the back of the head of well why would he go after his scummate there as scum. Keeping that in the back of my mind for now as a possible connection.

Odds are that IGCD did not roll scum 2 days in a row tho. It is however odd IGCD chose Lopebln to joke with as he does not know Lopen and it is odd Lopen Lopen decided to joke around in response to some dude he doesn't know trying to joke with him.
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Oddity posted...

Also, it's ok guys, Ulti is town this game.

Pointless
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UltimaterializerX posted...

I told you it would be obvious! I do it on purpose in a way, because I fucking hate getting mislynched as town. Lynch me as scum all day, I don't care, but man when I get falsely accused as town I just lose my mind.

Oh and Lopen is taking very legitimate suspicion from a top tier player and trying to change the subject to meta discussions. Fact is he straight up perspective slipped. This is pretty cut and dry for me.

This is unequivocally a lie. When Ulti is mislynched as Town, he is usually out of sorts from inactively and just passively takes it. When lynched as scum he tends to freak out and say wild things. He will very often try to get you to go on lynches to save himself but not actually go onto the lynch if any other lynch opportunity oresents itself. This is literally opposite of his scum / town behavior.

Usually Ulti is more inactive as town also btw.
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UltimaterializerX posted...

Shaduln posted...

UltimaterializerX posted...

Oddity posted...

Checking in. Just FYI I have no idea about the flavor... so Chris... where are you, friend? Ulti I have a for serious real question for you. Are you scum?

Not this time around. You'll notice a night and day difference in my play, too. I'm the easiest guy on B8 to read.

This is true.

Also, aloha from hawaii. I'm waiting on my pizza.

Gordon Ramsey says if you put pineapple on a pizza you suck, bro.

I am not sure where in Hawaii you are but in oAhu, Pizza Hut had great deals on Pizza and Dominos I think legitimately was trying to rip us off cuz we were mainlanders I think.
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Just wanna point out after page 3, that I am reading Chris as scum. I cannot point to a single post, but it is a vibe his posts have given me. They almost feel slippery/underhanded at this point.
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Lopen posted...

Honestly think some of the posts calling Chris mellow are negative points.

Oddity's for instance-- Chris had literally two posts at that point! How much ragey and conviction could he have shown by then! Hell one of his posts was a vote! Doesn't voting show conviction?

In fact. I will show some conviction here.

#Vote: Oddity

Between that and the "is that menuwars guy playing what are your thoughts?" it's a strong enough lead to vote on at the moment.

Pretty much do not like this post at all.
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Got to admit, I'm pretty impressed with Corrik, here. Thought he was just going to use his claim as a free pass.
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UltimaterializerX posted...

So he's invisible. I have issues reading invisible, honestly.

I'm going to bed so I might as well put this out there: town should not target me at night. It's a BAD idea.

Scum can target me all they want =)

This is a huge scum post.
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IfGodCouldDie posted...

htaeD posted...

didnt even realize Chris was playing, shouldve realized who DoomGyarados was (also the sig, I am blind)
Now I dont know how much Chrisfear has lessened over the years, but I like IGCD fearlessly criticizing his posts, so townpoints for him

On the other hand him being too lazy/stubborn to unvote someone he claims he thinks is town, strikes me as a bad quality
I mean geez IGCD
unvote already if you feel about things that way

I have never played with Chris so don't bother with town points for me over that.

The placement of my vote at this point is irrelevant, we still have over 24hrs.

I was mulling over this in my way to work and I remembered that I already mentioned having never played with Chris, so I feel like these town points are even worse than I originally felt.
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Oddity posted...

so IGCD please explain the reasoning behind keeping your vote on lopen.

I don't have any reasoning, can you explain why its such a big deal at this point in the game?
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Keeping your vote on somebody you suspect is town, is the same as not having your vote down at all. Because you'll unvote. You're effectively saying 'hey, I'm voting you, but not for realsies.' Makes me dislike you.
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Oddity posted...

Keeping your vote on somebody you suspect is town, is the same as not having your vote down at all. Because you'll unvote. You're effectively saying 'hey, I'm voting you, but not for realsies.' Makes me dislike you.

My vote is not on him for pressure or anything, so I don't see the problem.
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Okay. I can see starting with IGCD, Lopen, Chris or Ulti from my reads.

Ulti and IGCD tend to kill themselves as scum so neither is a priority here.

Something about Chris appeals to me to be hazy and almost like playing a card at this point. Too much about he is going to be mellower. Over and over again. Like, I get it. But, it seems a built in excuse to do less. Chris as scum is lethal not because he is good as a player but because he is good at appealing to people with words.

There is too much talk about breaking habits, toned down behavior, and such that appears to me to be to appeal to the game. It is dangerous.

##vote: Doom
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Ok, whatever, I'm not sure what to think of that statement tbqh. Moving on: do you have any scumspects?
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Talking to IGCD btw.
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Off to work, adios.
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Oddity posted...

Ok, whatever, I'm not sure what to think of that statement tbqh. Moving on: do you have any scumspects?

Mainly ulit, but death giving me town points over my interactions with Chris when I have already said I have never played with Chris does not sit well with me.
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Johnbobb did post earlier

It is a little weird everyone is acting like he hasn't though
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where did you say it before I made my post?
I must have missed that

also Corrik, that seems like an unusual stance against an Ulti action
can you explain your thoughts?
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IfGodCouldDie posted...

Oddity posted...

Keeping your vote on somebody you suspect is town, is the same as not having your vote down at all. Because you'll unvote. You're effectively saying 'hey, I'm voting you, but not for realsies.' Makes me dislike you.

My vote is not on him for pressure or anything, so I don't see the problem.

I get the feeling that you're just trying to be stubborn about something everything game and not unvoting is what you chose this time

pray tell, what is so difficult about unvoting and not causing confusion?
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I actually like posting once like JohnBobb less than someone who hasn't posted at all yet. Shallow little drive by posts kind of make me feel like someone is technically present and able to play but is struggling to really integrate into the game.

Really, it's way better to make two dozen joke posts, even if they fail to get a single chuckle.
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Johnbobb is a notorious scumselfdestructer at that
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Leo3L posted...

I actually like posting once like JohnBobb less than someone who hasn't posted at all yet. Shallow little drive by posts kind of make me feel like someone is technically present and able to play but is struggling to really integrate into the game.

Really, it's way better to make two dozen joke posts, even if they fail to get a single chuckle.

But couldn't that make him... a skulker?
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htaeD posted...

IfGodCouldDie posted...

Oddity posted...

Keeping your vote on somebody you suspect is town, is the same as not having your vote down at all. Because you'll unvote. You're effectively saying 'hey, I'm voting you, but not for realsies.' Makes me dislike you.

My vote is not on him for pressure or anything, so I don't see the problem.

I get the feeling that you're just trying to be stubborn about something everything game and not unvoting is what you chose this time

pray tell, what is so difficult about unvoting and not causing confusion?

Its not that it's difficult. Like I said, the first time it was pointed out, I just forgot to unvote when Lopen responded to me. At this point I have made it clear my post on Lopen means nothing any more. As far as being stubborn is concerned it has nothing to do with being stubborn and people just blowing my actions out of proportion.
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htaeD posted...

where did you say it before I made my post?
I must have missed that

also Corrik, that seems like an unusual stance against an Ulti action
can you explain your thoughts?

Huh
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yeah from the posts I see of him, it feels like he has trouble coming up with things to say
and he's mostly fixated around Lopen, trying to get on his good side perhaps?
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IGCD, yes your actions arent a sin against town or anything
Just thought it might help clarity to unvote, for when people look back at votals and see you on someone you're calling town

Corrik posted...

htaeD posted...

where did you say it before I made my post?
I must have missed that

also Corrik, that seems like an unusual stance against an Ulti action
can you explain your thoughts?

Huh

is that Huh
or Huh?
there's a distinction here

but anyway, you called an Ultipost a scumpost
just would like to see your thoughts in post form
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htaeD posted...

yeah from the posts I see of him, it feels like he has trouble coming up with things to say
and he's mostly fixated around Lopen, trying to get on his good side perhaps?

Who are you talking about here?

htaeD posted...

IGCD, yes your actions arent a sin against town or anything
Just thought it might help clarity to unvote, for when people look back at votals and see you on someone you're calling town

Fair enough, and because I don't really want to continue rehaving this pointless conversation.

##Unvote
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was talking about Johnbobb

and thanks
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Oh yeah, that's totally skulking

You really have to do it five times to get the italics though

It's special
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has Johnbobb played recently?
I always forget when he does play
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#unvote: Lopen

Like the paranoia from Corrik, although I like to think I am lethal both as town and as scum due to my ability to appeal. Also I said pre-game I was going to be doing much less than everyone would be used to me doing, it's about as null as it gets as I have a full time job and other hobbies now.

God telling Death he can keep his town read is a pretty good town indicator, scum don't tend to shy away from bad reads so swiftly.
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Tag
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Corrik posted...

Ulti and IGCD tend to kill themselves as scum so neither is a priority here.

Is there a particular game or games, or defining imploding characteristic you can cite for IGCD on this? I thought he was one of the better guys at not self destructing in CT.
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