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Zeus 04/10/17 4:19:49 AM #101:	The Wave Master posted... Microsoft is that stupid. It's just a rumor of the price right now, but do you think the bean counters over at Microsoft would design a console just to lose money? We are looking at a possible 200 to 300 dollar loss on each Scorpio sold if they retail it at 499.99 or even 599.99. It could be a ps3 situation, but I'm not sure that Microsoft is willing to sell Scorpio at a loss to obtain Market share. It's called a loss-leader. You lose money on the front-end hardware which you expect to more than recoup in software sales. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loss_leader And, given that Microsoft is currently down, they might as well experiment. The Wave Master posted... The alcoholic and moronic behavior can be tolerated if he still has millions in the bank, but who knows if he does? Either way he's probably going to die broke and alone, but man will he have a lot of great stories to tell. He's been married like five times. I can pretty much guarantee that he doesn't have millions in the bank. CyborgSage00x0 posted... The Wave Master posted... I have a lot of things to bring up, but I will start with the fact that the Xbone Scropio is probably going to retail for 699.99. I had to look up what that even was. So...is it a new Xbox console, or just a souped-up XBone? Either way, lol @699.99 dollars (really, with tax in most states, you might was well another ~$70.00 there) just for really good graphics, when they will have a new consoles in 4-6 years anyways. This might have the effect with the less expensive Wii, and push people to the Switch. Yeah, there's really no point in releasing it at all given that it would barely sell at that price point. --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| In Zeus We Trust: All Others Pay Cash <cite>Zeus posted [p:876897674] in Spider-Gee... [t:75167540]...</cite> <quote><cite>The Wave Master posted...</cite> <quote>Microsoft is that stupid. It's just a rumor of the price right now, but do you think the bean counters over at Microsoft would design a console just to lose money? We are looking at a possible 200 to 300 dollar loss on each Scorpio sold if they retail it at 499.99 or even 599.99. It could be a ps3 situation, but I'm not sure that Microsoft is willing to sell Scorpio at a loss to obtain Market share.</quote> It's called a loss-leader. You lose money on the front-end hardware which you expect to more than recoup in software sales. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loss_leader And, given that Microsoft is currently down, they might as well experiment. <cite>The Wave Master posted...</cite> <quote>The alcoholic and moronic behavior can be tolerated if he still has millions in the bank, but who knows if he does? Either way he's probably going to die broke and alone, but man will he have a lot of great stories to tell. </quote> He's been married like five times. I can pretty much guarantee that he doesn't have millions in the bank. <cite>CyborgSage00x0 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>The Wave Master posted...</cite> <quote>I have a lot of things to bring up, but I will start with the fact that the Xbone Scropio is probably going to retail for 699.99. </quote> I had to look up what that even was. So...is it a new Xbox console, or just a souped-up XBone? Either way, lol @699.99 dollars (really, with tax in most states, you might was well another ~$70.00 there) just for really good graphics, when they will have a new consoles in 4-6 years anyways. This might have the effect with the less expensive Wii, and push people to the Switch.</quote> Yeah, there's really no point in releasing it at all given that it would barely sell at that price point.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Wave Master 04/11/17 12:20:49 AM #102:	Is Roman Reigns dead now? Do we have to listen to his terrible charisma-less promos now? Do we have to watch him lumber around the ring doing 5 moves? (Drive by, clothesline, uppercut punch, Superman Punch, and Spear.) I hope so!!! http://screengrabber.deadspin.com/braun-strowman-puts-roman-reigns-onto-stretcher-throws-1794197973 --- We are who we choose to be. <cite>The Wave Master posted [p:876958566] in Spider-Gee... [t:75167540]...</cite> <quote>Is Roman Reigns dead now? Do we have to listen to his terrible charisma-less promos now? Do we have to watch him lumber around the ring doing 5 moves? (Drive by, clothesline, uppercut punch, Superman Punch, and Spear.) I hope so!!! http://screengrabber.deadspin.com/braun-strowman-puts-roman-reigns-onto-stretcher-throws-1794197973</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Metalsonic66 04/11/17 11:01:32 AM #103:	The Wave Master posted... Microsoft is that stupid. It's just a rumor of the price right now, but do you think the bean counters over at Microsoft would design a console just to lose money? We are looking at a possible 200 to 300 dollar loss on each Scorpio sold if they retail it at 499.99 or even 599.99. It could be a ps3 situation, but I'm not sure that Microsoft is willing to sell Scorpio at a loss to obtain Market share. I would think that Microsoft would be able to learn from the PS3's mistakes; that no matter how much tech is in your console, it's going to be too hard to sell at too high a price. --- PSN/Steam ID: Metalsonic_69 Big bombs go kabang. <cite>Metalsonic66 posted [p:876979221] in Spider-Gee... [t:75167540]...</cite> <quote><cite>The Wave Master posted...</cite> <quote>Microsoft is that stupid. It's just a rumor of the price right now, but do you think the bean counters over at Microsoft would design a console just to lose money? We are looking at a possible 200 to 300 dollar loss on each Scorpio sold if they retail it at 499.99 or even 599.99. It could be a ps3 situation, but I'm not sure that Microsoft is willing to sell Scorpio at a loss to obtain Market share.</quote> I would think that Microsoft would be able to learn from the PS3's mistakes; that no matter how much tech is in your console, it's going to be too hard to sell at too high a price.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeus 04/11/17 1:52:48 PM #104:	The Wave Master posted... Is Roman Reigns dead now? Do we have to listen to his terrible charisma-less promos now? Do we have to watch him lumber around the ring doing 5 moves? (Drive by, clothesline, uppercut punch, Superman Punch, and Spear.) I hope so!!! http://screengrabber.deadspin.com/braun-strowman-puts-roman-reigns-onto-stretcher-throws-1794197973 Roman Reigns is the biggest reason why I really don't watch any more. (That and Lesnar is the champ again, so Raw has an absentee champion once more. The only plus is that the brand split hides the fact that the championship won't be on the line every PPV.) And, in general, I started to get bored with wrestling again last year so my viewing has been more sporadic. I did wind up watching last week's Impact, which wasn't the same without the Hardyz. They had a so-so running commentators' rivalry between JB and Josh Matthews (who they repeatedly reminded us is married to Madison Rayne, the lucky dog!) which, if they were more talented, more have worked. Plus they made the stupid decision of unveiling their teams at the end of the broadcast while just talking about how they were going to make great teams the whole show. In general, it's just a standard heel vs face team, although it's nice to see Chris Masters (now Chris Adonis) back again. 50/50 chance I'll watch this week's show if I find it on YT. --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| In Zeus We Trust: All Others Pay Cash <cite>Zeus posted [p:876988891] in Spider-Gee... [t:75167540]...</cite> <quote><cite>The Wave Master posted...</cite> <quote>Is Roman Reigns dead now? Do we have to listen to his terrible charisma-less promos now? Do we have to watch him lumber around the ring doing 5 moves? (Drive by, clothesline, uppercut punch, Superman Punch, and Spear.) I hope so!!! http://screengrabber.deadspin.com/braun-strowman-puts-roman-reigns-onto-stretcher-throws-1794197973</quote> Roman Reigns is the biggest reason why I really don't watch any more. (That and Lesnar is the champ again, so Raw has an absentee champion once more. The only plus is that the brand split hides the fact that the championship won't be on the line every PPV.) And, in general, I started to get bored with wrestling again last year so my viewing has been more sporadic. I did wind up watching last week's Impact, which wasn't the same without the Hardyz. They had a so-so running commentators' rivalry between JB and Josh Matthews (who they repeatedly reminded us is married to Madison Rayne, the lucky dog!) which, if they were more talented, more have worked. Plus they made the stupid decision of unveiling their teams at the end of the broadcast while just talking about how they were going to make great teams the whole show. In general, it's just a standard heel vs face team, although it's nice to see Chris Masters (now Chris Adonis) back again. 50/50 chance I'll watch this week's show if I find it on YT.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Wave Master 04/11/17 8:33:17 PM #105:	I'm okay with the champ not being on Raw every week. I grew up in an era where the champ wasn't on television every week. In fact if there was a wrestler you loved, Mr. Perfect, you didn't see him wrestle that often at all until the modern Monday Night Raw era. The problem is that the champ is Brock Leaner, and I really don't like that steroided up freak. He hurts people more than he wrestles and that is a huge problem. Buy Vince likes him and he's a big name attraction, and the show must go on people. --- We are who we choose to be. <cite>The Wave Master posted [p:877013340] in Spider-Gee... [t:75167540]...</cite> <quote>I'm okay with the champ not being on Raw every week. I grew up in an era where the champ wasn't on television every week. In fact if there was a wrestler you loved, Mr. Perfect, you didn't see him wrestle that often at all until the modern Monday Night Raw era. The problem is that the champ is Brock Leaner, and I really don't like that steroided up freak. He hurts people more than he wrestles and that is a huge problem. Buy Vince likes him and he's a big name attraction, and the show must go on people.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeus 04/11/17 8:56:26 PM #106:	The Wave Master posted... I'm okay with the champ not being on Raw every week. I can understand that, but Brock you don't see AT ALL for months at a time. Having a champ that doesn't even do PPVs is the same as having a missing belt. That's not to say that the problem is exclusive to Brock, but Brock is pretty much the worst in that regard. iirc, his last title reign started in Summer Slam when he curb-stomped Cena, he retained (via interference) at the next PPV, and then he didn't defend it again (or wrestle at all) until Wrestlemania. So his entire 8 or so month run consisted of two title matches back when that was the only heavyweight title. --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| In Zeus We Trust: All Others Pay Cash <cite>Zeus posted [p:877014927] in Spider-Gee... [t:75167540]...</cite> <quote><cite>The Wave Master posted...</cite> <quote>I'm okay with the champ not being on Raw every week. </quote> I can understand that, but Brock you don't see AT ALL for months at a time. Having a champ that doesn't even do PPVs is the same as having a missing belt. That's not to say that the problem is exclusive to Brock, but Brock is pretty much the worst in that regard. iirc, his last title reign started in Summer Slam when he curb-stomped Cena, he retained (via interference) at the next PPV, and then he didn't defend it again (or wrestle at all) until Wrestlemania. So his entire 8 or so month run consisted of two title matches back when that was the only heavyweight title.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ParanoidObsessive 04/12/17 12:48:10 AM #107:	Zeus posted... While I'm sure that JBL has acted on VKM's marching orders, shoot interviews generally portray JBL as a dick. Oh, I'm not disputing that. He definitely comes across like a huge dick in almost any story you hear about him, even from people who like him. But it's also a lot easier to BE a dick (or at least, to fully express your own preexisting inner dickishness) when you know you can absolutely get away with it, and that your boss will 100% defend you if it becomes an issue. Zeus posted... And, given VKM's nature, I'm not sure he so much encourages it as he just permits it because that's the sort of stuff that was going on during his daddy's and granddaddy's day. Nah, because it's pretty well established he never gave a single shit about most of the "traditions" of the business (up to and including poaching from other territories and actively helping to dismantle the entire territory system by strong-arming the fuck out of other promoters in ways that were always sort of considered off-limits, and to the point where it bothered his dad even during the 2-3 years worth of early growth he actually got to see). But what HAS been established time and time again is that Vince is a HUGE control freak, and he absolutely needs to be the dominant male in every room. To his worldview, someone getting ribbed either needs to step up and defend themselves (even if that means throwing punches or shitting on their tormenter even worse), or they demonstrate that they're weak. And Vince has zero tolerance for what he sees as weakness. It goes way beyond just passively ignoring it, when there are stories out there of him actively laughing at incidents of ribbing or going out of his way to needle someone who'd been the victim of ribbing a bit to sort of rub their nose in it even more. He's not a school principle who looks the other way when the school's star quarterback shoves a nerd in a locker, he's the football coach who actively laughs and high-fives the quarterback after they shove a nerd in a locker and leave them in there overnight. And what makes it worse is that, along the lines of you mentioning wrestlers' court, it's been implied at least a few times that when Vince or other higher-ups thought a specific talent needed to be taken down a peg, they'd casually mention that fact to some of the more loyal goons in the back, and suddenly lo-and-behold someone would find themselves getting fucked with by "the boys". Metalsonic66 posted... The Wave Master posted... the Xbone Scropio is probably going to retail for 699.99. Isn't that just a rumor? I don't think Microsoft is that stupid. Most of what they've done over the last few years firmly convinces me that yes, they are absolutely that stupid. Far more so than otherwise. I find it much harder to think of things they've done RIGHT over the last 5 years or so than I do thinking of things they've done blatantly, ridiculously wrong. --- "Wall of Text'D!" --- oldskoolplayr76 "POwned again." --- blight family <cite>ParanoidObsessive posted [p:877028424] in Spider-Gee... [t:75167540]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote>While I'm sure that JBL has acted on VKM's marching orders, shoot interviews generally portray JBL as a dick. </quote> Oh, I'm not disputing that. He definitely comes across like a huge dick in almost any story you hear about him, even from people who like him. But it's also a lot easier to BE a dick (or at least, to fully express your own preexisting inner dickishness) when you know you can absolutely get away with it, and that your boss will 100% defend you if it becomes an issue. <cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote>And, given VKM's nature, I'm not sure he so much encourages it as he just permits it because that's the sort of stuff that was going on during his daddy's and granddaddy's day.</quote> Nah, because it's pretty well established he never gave a single shit about most of the "traditions" of the business (up to and including poaching from other territories and actively helping to dismantle the entire territory system by strong-arming the fuck out of other promoters in ways that were always sort of considered off-limits, and to the point where it bothered his dad even during the 2-3 years worth of early growth he actually got to see). But what HAS been established time and time again is that Vince is a HUGE control freak, and he absolutely needs to be the dominant male in every room. To his worldview, someone getting ribbed either needs to step up and defend themselves (even if that means throwing punches or shitting on their tormenter even worse), or they demonstrate that they're weak. And Vince has zero tolerance for what he sees as weakness. It goes way beyond just passively ignoring it, when there are stories out there of him actively laughing at incidents of ribbing or going out of his way to needle someone who'd been the victim of ribbing a bit to sort of rub their nose in it even more. He's not a school principle who looks the other way when the school's star quarterback shoves a nerd in a locker, he's the football coach who actively laughs and high-fives the quarterback after they shove a nerd in a locker and leave them in there overnight. And what makes it worse is that, along the lines of you mentioning wrestlers' court, it's been implied at least a few times that when Vince or other higher-ups thought a specific talent needed to be taken down a peg, they'd casually mention that fact to some of the more loyal goons in the back, and suddenly lo-and-behold someone would find themselves getting fucked with by "the boys". <cite>Metalsonic66 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>The Wave Master posted...</cite> <quote>the Xbone Scropio is probably going to retail for 699.99. </quote> Isn't that just a rumor? I don't think Microsoft is that stupid.</quote> Most of what they've done over the last few years firmly convinces me that yes, they are absolutely that stupid. Far more so than otherwise. I find it much harder to think of things they've done RIGHT over the last 5 years or so than I do thinking of things they've done blatantly, ridiculously wrong. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ParanoidObsessive 04/12/17 12:58:25 AM #108:	Zeus posted... The Wave Master posted... The alcoholic and moronic behavior can be tolerated if he still has millions in the bank, but who knows if he does? Either way he's probably going to die broke and alone, but man will he have a lot of great stories to tell. He's been married like five times. I can pretty much guarantee that he doesn't have millions in the bank. Yeah, he's extremely poor. It's been mentioned that half the reason they keep him around post-retirement and occasionally give him things to do is mostly just so that he'll have a regular income/paycheck to help cover his multiple alimony expenses, and not wind up going to jail or worse. The Wave Master posted... Is Roman Reigns dead now? Do we have to listen to his terrible charisma-less promos now? Do we have to watch him lumber around the ring doing 5 moves? (Drive by, clothesline, uppercut punch, Superman Punch, and Spear.) I hope so!!! http://screengrabber.deadspin.com/braun-strowman-puts-roman-reigns-onto-stretcher-throws-1794197973 Silly Wave. They did that storyline so that you'll feel sorry for the poor Face who got callously beaten up by the monster Heel, and will cheer the Face even more when he triumphantly returns to get his just revenge! Unfortunately, they had to do that whole angle backstage and likely pre-recorded so they could mute out the colossal amount of boos coming from the arena the entire time Roman was talking, which all turned into a huge positive pop the moment Braun started kicking the shit out of him. Roman isn't going anywhere. He's almost certainly getting booked to go over Braun as a stepping stone to Brock, who in turn is going to drop the belt to Roman, because he's the future of the company no matter how many fans refuse to accept it, because fuck you, that's why. Zeus posted... Roman Reigns is the biggest reason why I really don't watch any more. (That and Lesnar is the champ again, so Raw has an absentee champion once more. The only plus is that the brand split hides the fact that the championship won't be on the line every PPV.) And, in general, I started to get bored with wrestling again last year so my viewing has been more sporadic. I've found it's way easier to watch if you pretty much skip Raw and SmackDown entirely, and just watch the pay-per-views for free at a friend's house. That cuts a lot of the extraneous bullshit out, and you don't have to justify watching three overpadded hours of Raw or paying for the WWE Network to yourself after a particularly mediocre pay-per-view. It also helps when the people you're watching the show with are all mostly drinking, and are all more than willing to viciously mock matches, storylines, or promos that seem excessively stupid. Between that and just watching stuff like WhatCulture and WrestleTalk online, wrestling's become more interesting to me these days than it's been since the early 2000s (which is the last time I checked out). To some extent, the behind-the-scenes info and "meta" aspects of the show are almost more interesting than the shows themselves. And Cornette's always interesting for a perspective on history and the older territory days. --- "Wall of Text'D!" --- oldskoolplayr76 "POwned again." --- blight family <cite>ParanoidObsessive posted [p:877028874] in Spider-Gee... [t:75167540]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote><cite>The Wave Master posted...</cite> <quote>The alcoholic and moronic behavior can be tolerated if he still has millions in the bank, but who knows if he does? Either way he's probably going to die broke and alone, but man will he have a lot of great stories to tell.</quote> He's been married like five times. I can pretty much guarantee that he doesn't have millions in the bank.</quote> Yeah, he's extremely poor. It's been mentioned that half the reason they keep him around post-retirement and occasionally give him things to do is mostly just so that he'll have a regular income/paycheck to help cover his multiple alimony expenses, and not wind up going to jail or worse. <cite>The Wave Master posted...</cite> <quote>Is Roman Reigns dead now? Do we have to listen to his terrible charisma-less promos now? Do we have to watch him lumber around the ring doing 5 moves? (Drive by, clothesline, uppercut punch, Superman Punch, and Spear.) I hope so!!! http://screengrabber.deadspin.com/braun-strowman-puts-roman-reigns-onto-stretcher-throws-1794197973</quote> Silly Wave. They did that storyline so that you'll feel sorry for the poor Face who got callously beaten up by the monster Heel, and will cheer the Face even more when he triumphantly returns to get his just revenge! Unfortunately, they had to do that whole angle backstage and likely pre-recorded so they could mute out the colossal amount of boos coming from the arena the entire time Roman was talking, which all turned into a huge positive pop the moment Braun started kicking the shit out of him. Roman isn't going anywhere. He's almost certainly getting booked to go over Braun as a stepping stone to Brock, who in turn is going to drop the belt to Roman, because he's the future of the company no matter how many fans refuse to accept it, because fuck you, that's why. <cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote>Roman Reigns is the biggest reason why I really don't watch any more. (That and Lesnar is the champ again, so Raw has an absentee champion once more. The only plus is that the brand split hides the fact that the championship won't be on the line every PPV.) And, in general, I started to get bored with wrestling again last year so my viewing has been more sporadic.</quote> I've found it's way easier to watch if you pretty much skip Raw and SmackDown entirely, and just watch the pay-per-views for free at a friend's house. That cuts a lot of the extraneous bullshit out, and you don't have to justify watching three overpadded hours of Raw or paying for the WWE Network to yourself after a particularly mediocre pay-per-view. It also helps when the people you're watching the show with are all mostly drinking, and are all more than willing to viciously mock matches, storylines, or promos that seem excessively stupid. Between that and just watching stuff like WhatCulture and WrestleTalk online, wrestling's become more interesting to me these days than it's been since the early 2000s (which is the last time I checked out). To some extent, the behind-the-scenes info and "meta" aspects of the show are almost more interesting than the shows themselves. And Cornette's always interesting for a perspective on history and the older territory days. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeus 04/12/17 3:28:57 AM #109:	ParanoidObsessive posted... It goes way beyond just passively ignoring it, when there are stories out there of him actively laughing at incidents of ribbing or going out of his way to needle someone who'd been the victim of ribbing a bit to sort of rub their nose in it even more. He's not a school principle who looks the other way when the school's star quarterback shoves a nerd in a locker, he's the football coach who actively laughs and high-fives the quarterback after they shove a nerd in a locker and leave them in there overnight. You say that, but Jim Cornette once infamously shot that VKM reprimanded him and made him apologize for insulting Kevin Dunn's bucky beaver teeth. Dunn allegedly cried at one point, which doesn't sound like a "tolerate no weakness" environment. Likewise, you have the incident where Alberto el Patron slapped the racist social media guy. VKM could have smoothed things over between them, but instead he chose to fire Alberto. At the same time, when a writer approached VKM after being told he was ordered to wrestlers' court (for favoring Edge & Christian in storylines), VKM allegedly replied, "Well, good luck." It seems to hint that he'll just let the boys handle many of their own problems. Doubly so in the case of Muhammad Hassan who management liked and was trying to push, but he had pissed off the boys because he wasn't smart to the business. Granted, the kiss of death for Hassan -- who was an incredible heel -- was the whole terrorist motifs he used at times, which unfortunately lined up with a terrorist attack. ParanoidObsessive posted... Silly Wave. They did that storyline so that you'll feel sorry for the poor Face who got callously beaten up by the monster Heel, and will cheer the Face even more when he triumphantly returns to get his just revenge! That and they needed an excuse to keep Reigns from going straight after Brock. Heyman went out of his way to challenge Reigns and this gives them a way to delay that fight so they can build up to it more. Braun will get curbstomped by Brock just to show how much stronger Brock is and, implied by comparison, how much stronger he must be compared to Reigns. That way the guy everybody knows is going to win will eventually enter the fight as an underdog. ParanoidObsessive posted... I've found it's way easier to watch if you pretty much skip Raw and SmackDown entirely, and just watch the pay-per-views for free at a friend's house. That cuts a lot of the extraneous bullshit out, and you don't have to justify watching three overpadded hours of Raw or paying for the WWE Network to yourself after a particularly mediocre pay-per-view. I've mostly been catching commentaries then using that to figure out which clips to watch and then catching a few of the PPV matches. But yeah, there's just too filler these days. --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| In Zeus We Trust: All Others Pay Cash <cite>Zeus posted [p:877034054] in Spider-Gee... [t:75167540]...</cite> <quote><cite>ParanoidObsessive posted...</cite> <quote>It goes way beyond just passively ignoring it, when there are stories out there of him actively laughing at incidents of ribbing or going out of his way to needle someone who'd been the victim of ribbing a bit to sort of rub their nose in it even more. He's not a school principle who looks the other way when the school's star quarterback shoves a nerd in a locker, he's the football coach who actively laughs and high-fives the quarterback after they shove a nerd in a locker and leave them in there overnight.</quote> You say that, but Jim Cornette once infamously shot that VKM reprimanded him and made him apologize for insulting Kevin Dunn's bucky beaver teeth. Dunn allegedly cried at one point, which doesn't sound like a "tolerate no weakness" environment. Likewise, you have the incident where Alberto el Patron slapped the racist social media guy. VKM could have smoothed things over between them, but instead he chose to fire Alberto. At the same time, when a writer approached VKM after being told he was ordered to wrestlers' court (for favoring Edge & Christian in storylines), VKM allegedly replied, "Well, good luck." It seems to hint that he'll just let the boys handle many of their own problems. Doubly so in the case of Muhammad Hassan who management liked and was trying to push, but he had pissed off the boys because he wasn't smart to the business. Granted, the kiss of death for Hassan -- who was an incredible heel -- was the whole terrorist motifs he used at times, which unfortunately lined up with a terrorist attack. <cite>ParanoidObsessive posted...</cite> <quote>Silly Wave. They did that storyline so that you'll feel sorry for the poor Face who got callously beaten up by the monster Heel, and will cheer the Face even more when he triumphantly returns to get his just revenge! </quote> That and they needed an excuse to keep Reigns from going straight after Brock. Heyman went out of his way to challenge Reigns and this gives them a way to delay that fight so they can build up to it more. Braun will get curbstomped by Brock just to show how much stronger Brock is and, implied by comparison, how much stronger he must be compared to Reigns. That way the guy everybody knows is going to win will eventually enter the fight as an underdog. <cite>ParanoidObsessive posted...</cite> <quote>I've found it's way easier to watch if you pretty much skip Raw and SmackDown entirely, and just watch the pay-per-views for free at a friend's house. That cuts a lot of the extraneous bullshit out, and you don't have to justify watching three overpadded hours of Raw or paying for the WWE Network to yourself after a particularly mediocre pay-per-view.</quote> I've mostly been catching commentaries then using that to figure out which clips to watch and then catching a few of the PPV matches. But yeah, there's just too filler these days.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Wave Master 04/12/17 7:30:03 AM #110:	I watch Raw and Smackdown every week. Oh, the DVR is great because I watch 5 hours of wrestling a week and condense it to just over an hour. I watch the promos I like, the wrestlers I like, and the matches that seem interesting. You can tell 95% of the matvh putvomes feom the booking so there are very few surprises. As for Roman. I know what they are doing, but man it would be great if he was dead. It would spare us from having to deal with him every week. Although, Scarlett thinks he is a good looking man, and doesn't mind seeing him every week. Yes, she doesn't understand that he is a lump with no charisma, his in ring talent is limited, and he couldn't cut a promo to save his life....but....hes tall, dark, and handsome so she wants him around for eye candy. Personally I have no use for him. --- We are who we choose to be. <cite>The Wave Master posted [p:877039557] in Spider-Gee... [t:75167540]...</cite> <quote>I watch Raw and Smackdown every week. Oh, the DVR is great because I watch 5 hours of wrestling a week and condense it to just over an hour. I watch the promos I like, the wrestlers I like, and the matches that seem interesting. You can tell 95% of the matvh putvomes feom the booking so there are very few surprises. As for Roman. I know what they are doing, but man it would be great if he was dead. It would spare us from having to deal with him every week. Although, Scarlett thinks he is a good looking man, and doesn't mind seeing him every week. Yes, she doesn't understand that he is a lump with no charisma, his in ring talent is limited, and he couldn't cut a promo to save his life....but....hes tall, dark, and handsome so she wants him around for eye candy. Personally I have no use for him.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ParanoidObsessive 04/13/17 11:37:09 AM #111:	Zeus posted... You say that, but Jim Cornette once infamously shot that VKM reprimanded him and made him apologize for insulting Kevin Dunn's bucky beaver teeth. Dunn allegedly cried at one point, which doesn't sound like a "tolerate no weakness" environment. Yeah, but there's three problems there. One, Kevin Dunn has basically been a family friend and extremely close to Vince for decades, which means that situation wasn't Vince taking a stand against bullying as much as it was him essentially throwing his own dominance around to stick up for someone he was personally close to. From everything we've ever heard about him, if it had been a random stranger or just some low-level mook Vince probably wouldn't have stuck up for him at all, if not outright joined in on the mocking. Dunn is pretty much bulletproof in WWE terms, and why he's got about as much pull with Vince as Triple H does. Two, Cornette has a history of rubbing pretty much everyone the wrong way, and he definitely represented the sort of "Southern Wrasslin" Vince has always absolutely loathed. Cornette was always walking on eggshells in the WWE, and because of it, he usually got cut zero slack for stuff he did compared to others (see also Cornette getting fired for slapping Santino Marella while they went out of their way to protect Bill DeMott for years). And three, Cornette's also talked about just how much of a bully mentality Vince has on multiple occasions. About the only reason Cornette has never really gone off on it more than he has is because he's definitely coming from that old-school mentality where "the boys" handle their own business and don't talk about it publicly, so he doesn't necessarily see anything WRONG with being a bully. It's part of why he's actually kind of taken JBL's side in the whole current mess - and part of why he slapped Santino Marella in the first place. Zeus posted... Doubly so in the case of Muhammad Hassan who management liked and was trying to push, but he had pissed off the boys because he wasn't smart to the business. Granted, the kiss of death for Hassan -- who was an incredible heel -- was the whole terrorist motifs he used at times, which unfortunately lined up with a terrorist attack. Yeah, but that's the thing. Hassan didn't even remotely get fired due to backstage stuff, he was essentially sacrificed to protect the company from backlash from UPN, who basically told the WWE flat-out that they didn't want him on SmackDown (with the implication being that, if they didn't get their way, SmackDown was going to cease being on UPN). There are plenty of guys who get shit from "the boys" for not respecting the business, but who still get pushed to the moon. Brock's a pretty prime example of someone who stepped on pretty much everyone's toes yet never really suffered for it at all. In Vince's world, if you have the right look and can draw, he doesn't really give much of a shit whether or not you're making waves backstage (as long as you're good at following HIS orders). It's the same reason why, when stuff like Jericho and Sin Cara getting into a fist-fight happens, Vince tends to either ignore it entirely, or side with whoever won the fight (because he respects strength) - unless the loser is a much bigger draw (because he respects money more). He tolerates "wrestlers' court" and similar things because it benefits him, and because it reflects his own worldview. He doesn't allow it to happen because he's somehow letting "the boys" handle their own business out of respect, or because he honors the tradition of it - if it had been detrimental to him or his interests at any point, he would have shut it down in a heartbeat. --- "Wall of Text'D!" --- oldskoolplayr76 "POwned again." --- blight family <cite>ParanoidObsessive posted [p:877117310] in Spider-Gee... [t:75167540]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote>You say that, but Jim Cornette once infamously shot that VKM reprimanded him and made him apologize for insulting Kevin Dunn's bucky beaver teeth. Dunn allegedly cried at one point, which doesn't sound like a "tolerate no weakness" environment.</quote> Yeah, but there's three problems there. One, Kevin Dunn has basically been a family friend and extremely close to Vince for decades, which means that situation wasn't Vince taking a stand against bullying as much as it was him essentially throwing his own dominance around to stick up for someone he was personally close to. From everything we've ever heard about him, if it had been a random stranger or just some low-level mook Vince probably wouldn't have stuck up for him at all, if not outright joined in on the mocking. Dunn is pretty much bulletproof in WWE terms, and why he's got about as much pull with Vince as Triple H does. Two, Cornette has a history of rubbing pretty much everyone the wrong way, and he definitely represented the sort of "Southern Wrasslin" Vince has always absolutely loathed. Cornette was always walking on eggshells in the WWE, and because of it, he usually got cut zero slack for stuff he did compared to others (see also Cornette getting fired for slapping Santino Marella while they went out of their way to protect Bill DeMott for years). And three, Cornette's also talked about just how much of a bully mentality Vince has on multiple occasions. About the only reason Cornette has never really gone off on it more than he has is because he's definitely coming from that old-school mentality where "the boys" handle their own business and don't talk about it publicly, so he doesn't necessarily see anything WRONG with being a bully. It's part of why he's actually kind of taken JBL's side in the whole current mess - and part of why he slapped Santino Marella in the first place. <cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote>Doubly so in the case of Muhammad Hassan who management liked and was trying to push, but he had pissed off the boys because he wasn't smart to the business. Granted, the kiss of death for Hassan -- who was an incredible heel -- was the whole terrorist motifs he used at times, which unfortunately lined up with a terrorist attack.</quote> Yeah, but that's the thing. Hassan didn't even remotely get fired due to backstage stuff, he was essentially sacrificed to protect the company from backlash from UPN, who basically told the WWE flat-out that they didn't want him on SmackDown (with the implication being that, if they didn't get their way, SmackDown was going to cease being on UPN). There are plenty of guys who get shit from "the boys" for not respecting the business, but who still get pushed to the moon. Brock's a pretty prime example of someone who stepped on pretty much everyone's toes yet never really suffered for it at all. In Vince's world, if you have the right look and can draw, he doesn't really give much of a shit whether or not you're making waves backstage (as long as you're good at following HIS orders). It's the same reason why, when stuff like Jericho and Sin Cara getting into a fist-fight happens, Vince tends to either ignore it entirely, or side with whoever won the fight (because he respects strength) - unless the loser is a much bigger draw (because he respects money more). He tolerates "wrestlers' court" and similar things because it benefits him, and because it reflects his own worldview. He doesn't allow it to happen because he's somehow letting "the boys" handle their own business out of respect, or because he honors the tradition of it - if it had been detrimental to him or his interests at any point, he would have shut it down in a heartbeat. </quote> ... 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ParanoidObsessive 04/13/17 11:37:17 AM #112:	Zeus posted... That and they needed an excuse to keep Reigns from going straight after Brock. Heyman went out of his way to challenge Reigns and this gives them a way to delay that fight so they can build up to it more. To be fair, they didn't actually NEED to do that. Brock's limited schedule means they could have just had him be somewhat elusive (sure, there's the "champion must defend every X number of days" rule, but the WWE ignores that for pretty much every belt constantly these days anyway), or just have other high-level competitors demand title shots first, fail, and then ultimately have the giant brought down by the intended giant killer. In a way, it would mimic how they tended to build the various monster heels that existed solely so Hulk Hogan could beat them in the 80s. Roman only becomes the de facto destined final opponent specifically BECAUSE Heyman called him out. The only reason they really need to "keep Roman from going after Brock" is because they created that exact problem for themselves. Zeus posted... That way the guy everybody knows is going to win will eventually enter the fight as an underdog. That's one of the problems with how they've been booking Roman, though. You can book him in all the most cliched underdog scenarios you want, but when everyone absolutely knows that he's definitely going to win (and a majority of people don't like him in the first place), he's not an underdog - and he doesn't even remotely benefit from the usual underdog sympathy. It's the same problem you have with Braun jumping him backstage. Previous sarcasm aside, that was absolutely booked as a traditional face/heel interaction where the evil heel ambushes the face, who will then have a period of being "injured" and ultimately return for revenge (hell, see also Seth Rollins for the last year or so). The intended goal is to make the crowd hate the heel for being a dick and simultaneously engender sympathy and support for the face - it's classic wrestling storytelling. But when the crowd already hates the person you're forcing into the face role, all it really accomplishes is giving Braun the most potent face pop of his entire career, with everyone cheering as he beats the ever-living shit out of Roman. And when Roman returns for his righteous revenge, he's still going to get booed (if not more so than before). The WWE can mute crowd noise all it wants - whether to hide just how hated Roman really is or to try and protect JBL - but in the modern world where a majority of fans are at least somewhat "smart", and where we as a culture tend to react negatively to blatantly obvious manipulation, all they're really doing is damaging Roman's career and killing his chance of ever really getting over as a face. The longer they keep pushing against the tide, the longer that resentment is going to last. And again, it literally makes no sense. The Rock is pretty much the prime example of someone the crowd loathed, who then turned heel and won them over, ultimately becoming one of the biggest faces the sport has ever seen (and Cena parallels that evolution as well). On some level, SOMEONE in the company should be at least somewhat aware of the idea that turning Roman heel would probably produce the end-result they want better than constantly trying to force the crowd to love him ever will. But again, in a company where merch sales are pretty much the be-all, end-all and who Vince likes is way more important than who the fans like, this isn't likely to change any time soon. --- "Wall of Text'D!" --- oldskoolplayr76 "POwned again." --- blight family <cite>ParanoidObsessive posted [p:877117322] in Spider-Gee... [t:75167540]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote>That and they needed an excuse to keep Reigns from going straight after Brock. Heyman went out of his way to challenge Reigns and this gives them a way to delay that fight so they can build up to it more.</quote> To be fair, they didn't actually NEED to do that. Brock's limited schedule means they could have just had him be somewhat elusive (sure, there's the "champion must defend every X number of days" rule, but the WWE ignores that for pretty much every belt constantly these days anyway), or just have other high-level competitors demand title shots first, fail, and then ultimately have the giant brought down by the intended giant killer. In a way, it would mimic how they tended to build the various monster heels that existed solely so Hulk Hogan could beat them in the 80s. Roman only becomes the de facto destined final opponent specifically BECAUSE Heyman called him out. The only reason they really need to "keep Roman from going after Brock" is because they created that exact problem for themselves. <cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote>That way the guy everybody knows is going to win will eventually enter the fight as an underdog.</quote> That's one of the problems with how they've been booking Roman, though. You can book him in all the most cliched underdog scenarios you want, but when everyone absolutely knows that he's definitely going to win (and a majority of people don't like him in the first place), he's not an underdog - and he doesn't even remotely benefit from the usual underdog sympathy. It's the same problem you have with Braun jumping him backstage. Previous sarcasm aside, that was absolutely booked as a traditional face/heel interaction where the evil heel ambushes the face, who will then have a period of being "injured" and ultimately return for revenge (hell, see also Seth Rollins for the last year or so). The intended goal is to make the crowd hate the heel for being a dick and simultaneously engender sympathy and support for the face - it's classic wrestling storytelling. But when the crowd already hates the person you're forcing into the face role, all it really accomplishes is giving Braun the most potent face pop of his entire career, with everyone cheering as he beats the ever-living shit out of Roman. And when Roman returns for his righteous revenge, he's still going to get booed (if not more so than before). The WWE can mute crowd noise all it wants - whether to hide just how hated Roman really is or to try and protect JBL - but in the modern world where a majority of fans are at least somewhat "smart", and where we as a culture tend to react negatively to blatantly obvious manipulation, all they're really doing is damaging Roman's career and killing his chance of ever really getting over as a face. The longer they keep pushing against the tide, the longer that resentment is going to last. And again, it literally makes no sense. The Rock is pretty much the prime example of someone the crowd loathed, who then turned heel and won them over, ultimately becoming one of the biggest faces the sport has ever seen (and Cena parallels that evolution as well). On some level, SOMEONE in the company should be at least somewhat aware of the idea that turning Roman heel would probably produce the end-result they want better than constantly trying to force the crowd to love him ever will. But again, in a company where merch sales are pretty much the be-all, end-all and who Vince likes is way more important than who the fans like, this isn't likely to change any time soon. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ParanoidObsessive 04/13/17 11:43:05 AM #113:	The Wave Master posted... Yes, she doesn't understand that he is a lump with no charisma, his in ring talent is limited, and he couldn't cut a promo to save his life....but....hes tall, dark, and handsome so she wants him around for eye candy. Personally I have no use for him. To be fair, Roman's actually fairly skilled in terms of pure wrestling. He's capable in the ring and has a strong enough grasp of ring psychology. Under other circumstances, he'd probably be pretty over. The real problem is that lack of charisma, though. Whether it's simply because of how he's booked, because it's hard to really emote when you're reading the cold, dead script a bunch of Hollywood writers have shit out for you (a problem multiple wrestlers seem to have these days, and something which has only really become a problem in the last decade or so), or because he really is a completely uninteresting lump of meat, Roman comes across as having zero personality, and it hurts him, bad. It puts him less on par with people like Rock or Cena, and more in the camp of guys like Diesel or Test. Which, honestly, might be the main reason WHY the WWE refuses to go the Rock route and turn him heel. Because they're fully aware that the Rock's entire career was based on his own innate personal charisma, and that his ability to be a despicable but interesting heel is what helped pave his way to the eventual face turn (a career path shared by Triple H himself), but they're also aware that Roman has the personality of a dead fish, and they're afraid that once they turn him heel, he'll never have the necessary charm, humor, or gravitas to actually win the crowd over in any way. Though even then, you'd think they'd be more inclined to use him as a badass heel with nuclear heat than keep him as a lukewarm face the crowd will never really unite behind. --- "Wall of Text'D!" --- oldskoolplayr76 "POwned again." --- blight family <cite>ParanoidObsessive posted [p:877117651] in Spider-Gee... [t:75167540]...</cite> <quote><cite>The Wave Master posted...</cite> <quote>Yes, she doesn't understand that he is a lump with no charisma, his in ring talent is limited, and he couldn't cut a promo to save his life....but....hes tall, dark, and handsome so she wants him around for eye candy. Personally I have no use for him.</quote> To be fair, Roman's actually fairly skilled in terms of pure wrestling. He's capable in the ring and has a strong enough grasp of ring psychology. Under other circumstances, he'd probably be pretty over. The real problem is that lack of charisma, though. Whether it's simply because of how he's booked, because it's hard to really emote when you're reading the cold, dead script a bunch of Hollywood writers have shit out for you (a problem multiple wrestlers seem to have these days, and something which has only really become a problem in the last decade or so), or because he really is a completely uninteresting lump of meat, Roman comes across as having zero personality, and it hurts him, bad. It puts him less on par with people like Rock or Cena, and more in the camp of guys like Diesel or Test. Which, honestly, might be the main reason WHY the WWE refuses to go the Rock route and turn him heel. Because they're fully aware that the Rock's entire career was based on his own innate personal charisma, and that his ability to be a despicable but interesting heel is what helped pave his way to the eventual face turn (a career path shared by Triple H himself), but they're also aware that Roman has the personality of a dead fish, and they're afraid that once they turn him heel, he'll never have the necessary charm, humor, or gravitas to actually win the crowd over in any way. Though even then, you'd think they'd be more inclined to use him as a badass heel with nuclear heat than keep him as a lukewarm face the crowd will never really unite behind. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Wave Master 04/13/17 7:26:22 PM #114:	Well, let us all hate Nintendo. Those asshats over at the house Mario built has decided to stop North American production of the NES Classic Edition. It was almost impossible to get one at Thanksgiving and Christmas, and well now it will be damn near impossible to get one ever. Good move Nintendo. I don't see the advantage in doing this other than to keep the buzz going until they announce a SNES Classic Edition later this year or spring next year. But that still makes little sense... http://kotaku.com/nintendo-discontinues-the-nes-classic-1794303321 --- We are who we choose to be. <cite>The Wave Master posted [p:877144669] in Spider-Gee... [t:75167540]...</cite> <quote>Well, let us all hate Nintendo. Those asshats over at the house Mario built has decided to stop North American production of the NES Classic Edition. It was almost impossible to get one at Thanksgiving and Christmas, and well now it will be damn near impossible to get one ever. Good move Nintendo. I don't see the advantage in doing this other than to keep the buzz going until they announce a SNES Classic Edition later this year or spring next year. But that still makes little sense... http://kotaku.com/nintendo-discontinues-the-nes-classic-1794303321</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Metalsonic66 04/13/17 7:38:12 PM #115:	Not a surprise; Nintendo did the same thing with the Gamecube adapter for Wii U, IIRC. They KNEW it was in-demand... --- PSN/Steam ID: Metalsonic_69 Big bombs go kabang. <cite>Metalsonic66 posted [p:877145402] in Spider-Gee... [t:75167540]...</cite> <quote>Not a surprise; Nintendo did the same thing with the Gamecube adapter for Wii U, IIRC. They KNEW it was in-demand...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WhiskeyDisk 04/13/17 7:49:55 PM #116:	--- http://i.imgur.com/4fmtLFt.gif http://s1.zetaboards.com/sba/ ~there's always free cheese in a mousetrap. <cite>WhiskeyDisk posted [p:877146072] in Spider-Gee... [t:75167540]...</cite> <quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Entity13 04/13/17 8:04:39 PM #117:	WhiskeyDisk posted... That's still being nice. --- http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb179/EntityXIII/entityfn7.jpg <cite>Entity13 posted [p:877146934] in Spider-Gee... [t:75167540]...</cite> <quote><cite>WhiskeyDisk posted...</cite> <quote></quote> That's still being nice.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ParanoidObsessive 04/13/17 9:26:19 PM #118:	It's been mentioned in the other thread discussing it, but it seems pretty obvious the reason they're discontinuing the NES Classic is because they want people buying older games via the Virtual Console on the Switch instead. That's coming out soon, and they obviously want to push adoption of their new mutant baby as hard as they can. --- "Wall of Text'D!" --- oldskoolplayr76 "POwned again." --- blight family <cite>ParanoidObsessive posted [p:877151731] in Spider-Gee... [t:75167540]...</cite> <quote>It's been mentioned in the other thread discussing it, but it seems pretty obvious the reason they're discontinuing the NES Classic is because they want people buying older games via the Virtual Console on the Switch instead. That's coming out soon, and they obviously want to push adoption of their new mutant baby as hard as they can. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Entity13 04/13/17 11:33:59 PM #119:	ParanoidObsessive posted... It's been mentioned in the other thread discussing it, but it seems pretty obvious the reason they're discontinuing the NES Classic is because they want people buying older games via the Virtual Console on the Switch instead. That's coming out soon, and they obviously want to push adoption of their new mutant baby as hard as they can. Any bets as to whether or not next week's episode of the Jimquisition will be about this? --- http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb179/EntityXIII/entityfn7.jpg <cite>Entity13 posted [p:877158476] in Spider-Gee... [t:75167540]...</cite> <quote><cite>ParanoidObsessive posted...</cite> <quote>It's been mentioned in the other thread discussing it, but it seems pretty obvious the reason they're discontinuing the NES Classic is because they want people buying older games via the Virtual Console on the Switch instead. That's coming out soon, and they obviously want to push adoption of their new mutant baby as hard as they can. </quote> Any bets as to whether or not next week's episode of the Jimquisition will be about this?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeus 04/14/17 1:52:58 AM #120:	ParanoidObsessive posted... One, Kevin Dunn has basically been a family friend and extremely close to Vince for decades, which means that situation wasn't Vince taking a stand against bullying as much as it was him essentially throwing his own dominance around to stick up for someone he was personally close to. From everything we've ever heard about him, if it had been a random stranger or just some low-level mook Vince probably wouldn't have stuck up for him at all, if not outright joined in on the mocking. Dunn is pretty much bulletproof in WWE terms, and why he's got about as much pull with Vince as Triple H does. Back when Cornette was with the company, Dunn wouldn't have had those deep ties... I think. I'm not sure when the incident happened. ParanoidObsessive posted... Two, Cornette has a history of rubbing pretty much everyone the wrong way, and he definitely represented the sort of "Southern Wrasslin" Vince has always absolutely loathed. Cornette was always walking on eggshells in the WWE, and because of it, he usually got cut zero slack for stuff he did compared to others (see also Cornette getting fired for slapping Santino Marella while they went out of their way to protect Bill DeMott for years). Didn't the slap happen at a taping? And he didn't actually get fired because he wasn't a WWE employee at that time, he just took a buyout on his share in OVW iirc. ParanoidObsessive posted... There are plenty of guys who get shit from "the boys" for not respecting the business, but who still get pushed to the moon. Brock's a pretty prime example of someone who stepped on pretty much everyone's toes yet never really suffered for it at all. In Vince's world, if you have the right look and can draw, he doesn't really give much of a shit whether or not you're making waves backstage (as long as you're good at following HIS orders). Despite shitting on the business and never caring about wrestling in the first place, supposedly Brock is on pretty good terms with many of the boys. I caught a few interviewers were former wrestlers, guys who were in the business when kayfabe was law, who defended it. (Although obviously personalities with old-school mentalities (ie, Cornette) got ticked as did some smark insiders.) ParanoidObsessive posted... He tolerates "wrestlers' court" and similar things because it benefits him, and because it reflects his own worldview. He doesn't allow it to happen because he's somehow letting "the boys" handle their own business out of respect, or because he honors the tradition of it - if it had been detrimental to him or his interests at any point, he would have shut it down in a heartbeat. ...but that's part of it. He lets it slide because that's the how the locker room manages itself and has always managed itself. He sees it as a system that works. --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| In Zeus We Trust: All Others Pay Cash <cite>Zeus posted [p:877164234] in Spider-Gee... [t:75167540]...</cite> <quote><cite>ParanoidObsessive posted...</cite> <quote>One, Kevin Dunn has basically been a family friend and extremely close to Vince for decades, which means that situation wasn't Vince taking a stand against bullying as much as it was him essentially throwing his own dominance around to stick up for someone he was personally close to. From everything we've ever heard about him, if it had been a random stranger or just some low-level mook Vince probably wouldn't have stuck up for him at all, if not outright joined in on the mocking. Dunn is pretty much bulletproof in WWE terms, and why he's got about as much pull with Vince as Triple H does.</quote> Back when Cornette was with the company, Dunn wouldn't have had those deep ties... I think. I'm not sure when the incident happened. <cite>ParanoidObsessive posted...</cite> <quote>Two, Cornette has a history of rubbing pretty much everyone the wrong way, and he definitely represented the sort of "Southern Wrasslin" Vince has always absolutely loathed. Cornette was always walking on eggshells in the WWE, and because of it, he usually got cut zero slack for stuff he did compared to others (see also Cornette getting fired for slapping Santino Marella while they went out of their way to protect Bill DeMott for years).</quote> Didn't the slap happen at a taping? And he didn't actually get fired because he wasn't a WWE employee at that time, he just took a buyout on his share in OVW iirc. <cite>ParanoidObsessive posted...</cite> <quote>There are plenty of guys who get shit from "the boys" for not respecting the business, but who still get pushed to the moon. Brock's a pretty prime example of someone who stepped on pretty much everyone's toes yet never really suffered for it at all. In Vince's world, if you have the right look and can draw, he doesn't really give much of a shit whether or not you're making waves backstage (as long as you're good at following HIS orders).</quote> Despite shitting on the business and never caring about wrestling in the first place, supposedly Brock is on pretty good terms with many of the boys. I caught a few interviewers were former wrestlers, guys who were in the business when kayfabe was law, who defended it. (Although obviously personalities with old-school mentalities (ie, Cornette) got ticked as did some smark insiders.) <cite>ParanoidObsessive posted...</cite> <quote>He tolerates "wrestlers' court" and similar things because it benefits him, and because it reflects his own worldview. He doesn't allow it to happen because he's somehow letting "the boys" handle their own business out of respect, or because he honors the tradition of it - if it had been detrimental to him or his interests at any point, he would have shut it down in a heartbeat.</quote> ...but that's part of it. He lets it slide because that's the how the locker room manages itself and has always managed itself. He sees it as a system that works.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeus 04/14/17 2:19:29 AM #121:	ParanoidObsessive posted... To be fair, they didn't actually NEED to do that. Brock's limited schedule means they could have just had him be somewhat elusive (sure, there's the "champion must defend every X number of days" rule, but the WWE ignores that for pretty much every belt constantly these days anyway), or just have other high-level competitors demand title shots first, fail, and then ultimately have the giant brought down by the intended giant killer. In a way, it would mimic how they tended to build the various monster heels that existed solely so Hulk Hogan could beat them in the 80s. It wouldn't make a lot of sense to have Brock come out hot to fight then hold off for 6-9 months. I know that people don't take the story seriously, but that's stretching any credulity. Plus, given that Angle is a face GM, it wouldn't make sense for him to keep the two apart when it's what the fans really want. ParanoidObsessive posted... Roman only becomes the de facto destined final opponent specifically BECAUSE Heyman called him out. The only reason they really need to "keep Roman from going after Brock" is because they created that exact problem for themselves. Yes, but that was the whole point of having Taker lose again. After all, it doesn't do anything to enhance Reigns if they're still trying to push Reigns as a face (although, if they had went to turn him, having him crap over the Undertaker's legacy would be a brilliant way to do it especially since it got Brock massive heat for a while). ParanoidObsessive posted... To be fair, Roman's actually fairly skilled in terms of pure wrestling. He's capable in the ring and has a strong enough grasp of ring psychology. Under other circumstances, he'd probably be pretty over. Does he have an amateur background? Because I know he played football and he was implied to be pretty green when starting at FCW/NXT. ParanoidObsessive posted... The real problem is that lack of charisma, though. Whether it's simply because of how he's booked, because it's hard to really emote when you're reading the cold, dead script a bunch of Hollywood writers have shit out for you (a problem multiple wrestlers seem to have these days, and something which has only really become a problem in the last decade or so), or because he really is a completely uninteresting lump of meat, Roman comes across as having zero personality, and it hurts him, bad. It puts him less on par with people like Rock or Cena, and more in the camp of guys like Diesel or Test. Which, honestly, might be the main reason WHY the WWE refuses to go the Rock route and turn him heel. Because they're fully aware that the Rock's entire career was based on his own innate personal charisma, and that his ability to be a despicable but interesting heel is what helped pave his way to the eventual face turn (a career path shared by Triple H himself), but they're also aware that Roman has the personality of a dead fish, and they're afraid that once they turn him heel, he'll never have the necessary charm, humor, or gravitas to actually win the crowd over in any way. Well, except for the fact that the Rock's big break came thanks to the guys in creative, including one guy who pitched the idea that the Rock could talk in the third-person. While the Rock had creative control and a lot of say, he was still dealing with a lot of this stuff. Honestly, as we learned from New Day, there's still plenty of opportunity for talent to push their own creative. If Reigns had what it took (or cared about the business), he definitely would have enough stroke to move his character's direction. However, he's made it pretty clear he's just in it for the paycheck from his deleted tweets, etc. --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| In Zeus We Trust: All Others Pay Cash <cite>Zeus posted [p:877165102] in Spider-Gee... [t:75167540]...</cite> <quote><cite>ParanoidObsessive posted...</cite> <quote>To be fair, they didn't actually NEED to do that. Brock's limited schedule means they could have just had him be somewhat elusive (sure, there's the "champion must defend every X number of days" rule, but the WWE ignores that for pretty much every belt constantly these days anyway), or just have other high-level competitors demand title shots first, fail, and then ultimately have the giant brought down by the intended giant killer. In a way, it would mimic how they tended to build the various monster heels that existed solely so Hulk Hogan could beat them in the 80s.</quote> It wouldn't make a lot of sense to have Brock come out hot to fight then hold off for 6-9 months. I know that people don't take the story seriously, but that's stretching any credulity. Plus, given that Angle is a face GM, it wouldn't make sense for him to keep the two apart when it's what the fans really want. <cite>ParanoidObsessive posted...</cite> <quote>Roman only becomes the de facto destined final opponent specifically BECAUSE Heyman called him out. The only reason they really need to "keep Roman from going after Brock" is because they created that exact problem for themselves. </quote> Yes, but that was the whole point of having Taker lose again. After all, it doesn't do anything to enhance Reigns if they're still trying to push Reigns as a face (although, if they had went to turn him, having him crap over the Undertaker's legacy would be a brilliant way to do it especially since it got Brock massive heat for a while). <cite>ParanoidObsessive posted...</cite> <quote>To be fair, Roman's actually fairly skilled in terms of pure wrestling. He's capable in the ring and has a strong enough grasp of ring psychology. Under other circumstances, he'd probably be pretty over.</quote> Does he have an amateur background? Because I know he played football and he was implied to be pretty green when starting at FCW/NXT. <cite>ParanoidObsessive posted...</cite> <quote>The real problem is that lack of charisma, though. Whether it's simply because of how he's booked, because it's hard to really emote when you're reading the cold, dead script a bunch of Hollywood writers have shit out for you (a problem multiple wrestlers seem to have these days, and something which has only really become a problem in the last decade or so), or because he really is a completely uninteresting lump of meat, Roman comes across as having zero personality, and it hurts him, bad. It puts him less on par with people like Rock or Cena, and more in the camp of guys like Diesel or Test. Which, honestly, might be the main reason WHY the WWE refuses to go the Rock route and turn him heel. Because they're fully aware that the Rock's entire career was based on his own innate personal charisma, and that his ability to be a despicable but interesting heel is what helped pave his way to the eventual face turn (a career path shared by Triple H himself), but they're also aware that Roman has the personality of a dead fish, and they're afraid that once they turn him heel, he'll never have the necessary charm, humor, or gravitas to actually win the crowd over in any way.</quote> Well, except for the fact that the Rock's big break came thanks to the guys in creative, including one guy who pitched the idea that the Rock could talk in the third-person. While the Rock had creative control and a lot of say, he was still dealing with a lot of this stuff. Honestly, as we learned from New Day, there's still plenty of opportunity for talent to push their own creative. If Reigns had what it took (or cared about the business), he definitely would have enough stroke to move his character's direction. However, he's made it pretty clear he's just in it for the paycheck from his deleted tweets, etc.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeus 04/14/17 2:24:12 AM #122:	ParanoidObsessive posted... It's been mentioned in the other thread discussing it, but it seems pretty obvious the reason they're discontinuing the NES Classic is because they want people buying older games via the Virtual Console on the Switch instead. That's coming out soon, and they obviously want to push adoption of their new mutant baby as hard as they can. Which is what baffled me about them creating the system at all, since the Wii, 3DS, and now Switch all have the VC. I am a little bummed out that I probably won't bother getting a Nintendo Classic as a result of this nonsense (because fuck scalpers) but, at the same time, I never really needed one in the first place between all of the ports, still owning some of the carts, etc. (And, to be honest, I'd rather play NES games on my 3DS anyway.) --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| In Zeus We Trust: All Others Pay Cash <cite>Zeus posted [p:877165248] in Spider-Gee... [t:75167540]...</cite> <quote><cite>ParanoidObsessive posted...</cite> <quote>It's been mentioned in the other thread discussing it, but it seems pretty obvious the reason they're discontinuing the NES Classic is because they want people buying older games via the Virtual Console on the Switch instead. That's coming out soon, and they obviously want to push adoption of their new mutant baby as hard as they can.</quote> Which is what baffled me about them creating the system at all, since the Wii, 3DS, and now Switch all have the VC. I am a little bummed out that I probably won't bother getting a Nintendo Classic as a result of this nonsense (because fuck scalpers) but, at the same time, I never really needed one in the first place between all of the ports, still owning some of the carts, etc. (And, to be honest, I'd rather play NES games on my 3DS anyway.)</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DynamicD 04/14/17 2:35:15 AM #123:	Stop trying to act like Quora. What annoys you the most about modern gaming? DLC that was originally suppose to be in the game, casuals, becoming an addiction, Playstation Nazis, IGN comment section, etc. , What do you like the most about modern gaming? Graphics, engaging video game worlds, mature storylines, streaming gaming videos, achievements, community, etc. Finally, what do you miss and not miss about classic gaming? Miss: Nintendo was Number 1!, Nintendo used to be good, Platformers such as Banjo Kazooie or Crash, Turn-Based RPGs, Not weeb shit, more focused on the game and not on the money, Mega-man sequel, etc. Not Miss: Certain Nintendo controllers, long quests, graphics, etc. --- Short PSA: I'm the Chosen One. Pokemon Go > Sun and Moon. Goodbye FatesFaqs. Official Theme Song #11: Chotezu Dynamic (Dragon Ball Super O.P) <cite>DynamicD posted [p:877165585] in Spider-Gee... [t:75167540]...</cite> <quote>Stop trying to act like Quora. What annoys you the most about modern gaming? DLC that was originally suppose to be in the game, casuals, becoming an addiction, Playstation Nazis, IGN comment section, etc. , What do you like the most about modern gaming? Graphics, engaging video game worlds, mature storylines, streaming gaming videos, achievements, community, etc. Finally, what do you miss and not miss about classic gaming? Miss: Nintendo was Number 1!, Nintendo used to be good, Platformers such as Banjo Kazooie or Crash, Turn-Based RPGs, Not weeb shit, more focused on the game and not on the money, Mega-man sequel, etc. Not Miss: Certain Nintendo controllers, long quests, graphics, etc.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeus 04/14/17 2:59:36 AM #124:	DynamicD posted... Stop trying to act like Quora. Oh, I guess I never touched the question. The Wave Master posted... "What annoys you the most about modern gaming? What do you like the most about modern gaming? Finally, what do you miss and not miss about classic gaming?" 1) The loss of stylized brand/franchise mascots. In an age of hyper-realism, you don't see things like Mario, Mega Man, and Link as often. When you do, though, it's intended more as a deliberate cash-in and apes a classic design rather than creating a new one. Plus we've lost a lot of classic franchises like Mega Man. For what they were, MM9 and MM10 were maybe a bit on the expensive side, but it's annoying that Capcom can't keep up low-cost initiatives like that to please fans. Plus there's the whole graphics race to the bottom where rising dev costs kinda sink promising ideas. 2) Character customization. About the only thing you can't seem to customize to an incredible degree is character height. 3A) I guess complaint #1 kinda falls into this bucket. However, in general, a lot of franchises have basically been abandoned. Mega Man, Monster Rancher, etc. 3B) The bad design which plagued early gaming. Plus things like password-only save systems. --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| In Zeus We Trust: All Others Pay Cash <cite>Zeus posted [p:877166247] in Spider-Gee... [t:75167540]...</cite> <quote><cite>DynamicD posted...</cite> <quote>Stop trying to act like Quora.</quote> Oh, I guess I never touched the question. <cite>The Wave Master posted...</cite> <quote>"What annoys you the most about modern gaming? What do you like the most about modern gaming? Finally, what do you miss and not miss about classic gaming?"</quote> 1) The loss of stylized brand/franchise mascots. In an age of hyper-realism, you don't see things like Mario, Mega Man, and Link as often. When you do, though, it's intended more as a deliberate cash-in and apes a classic design rather than creating a new one. Plus we've lost a lot of classic franchises like Mega Man. For what they were, MM9 and MM10 were maybe a bit on the expensive side, but it's annoying that Capcom can't keep up low-cost initiatives like that to please fans. Plus there's the whole graphics race to the bottom where rising dev costs kinda sink promising ideas. 2) Character customization. About the only thing you can't seem to customize to an incredible degree is character height. 3A) I guess complaint #1 kinda falls into this bucket. However, in general, a lot of franchises have basically been abandoned. Mega Man, Monster Rancher, etc. 3B) The bad design which plagued early gaming. Plus things like password-only save systems.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
shadowsword87 04/14/17 3:07:25 AM #125:	Wrestling wrestling wrestling wrestling. Wrestling wrestling wrestling? Wrestling, wrestling, wrestling wrestling wrestling, wrestling wrestling. Wrestling wrestling. <cite>shadowsword87 posted [p:877166487] in Spider-Gee... [t:75167540]...</cite> <quote>Wrestling wrestling wrestling wrestling. Wrestling wrestling wrestling? Wrestling, wrestling, wrestling wrestling wrestling, wrestling wrestling. Wrestling wrestling.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ParanoidObsessive 04/14/17 3:08:15 AM #126:	Zeus posted... Back when Cornette was with the company, Dunn wouldn't have had those deep ties... I think. I'm not sure when the incident happened. Dunn's dad was actually one of Vince Sr's employees, and Kevin himself worked for the company almost from the very beginning of Vince Jr's reign (supposedly, the two Vinces actually promised Kevin's dad that Kevin would have a job for life with the company because of how highly they valued his dad's loyalty). On top of which, he's pretty much responsible for every single TV product most people today think of when they think WWF/WWE, and Vince has always considered him an important part of the company's success (and he's profited from that position - Dunn's probably made more money working for the company than anyone not named McMahon). Part of why he has so much influence NOW is because of how long he's been one of Vince's go-to guys, and how much Vince sees him as part of the reason why the WWF/WWE managed to get where it is today. Vince was friendly with him long before he ever met Cornette - in fact, Vince would have known Dunn for more than a decade before the first time he ever MET Cornette, let alone when Cornette was actually invited to be part of the inner circle working on booking and talent relation stuff (which is when the incident in question would have happened). Kevin Dunn's always been woven deep into the fabric of the company. It's part of why, as much as smart marks shit on him these days or how badly he gets along with Triple H, he's almost certainly never getting fired until he dies/retires, or until Vince drops dead. --- "Wall of Text'D!" --- oldskoolplayr76 "POwned again." --- blight family <cite>ParanoidObsessive posted [p:877166508] in Spider-Gee... [t:75167540]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote>Back when Cornette was with the company, Dunn wouldn't have had those deep ties... I think. I'm not sure when the incident happened.</quote> Dunn's dad was actually one of Vince Sr's employees, and Kevin himself worked for the company almost from the very beginning of Vince Jr's reign (supposedly, the two Vinces actually promised Kevin's dad that Kevin would have a job for life with the company because of how highly they valued his dad's loyalty). On top of which, he's pretty much responsible for every single TV product most people today think of when they think WWF/WWE, and Vince has always considered him an important part of the company's success (and he's profited from that position - Dunn's probably made more money working for the company than anyone not named McMahon). Part of why he has so much influence NOW is because of how long he's been one of Vince's go-to guys, and how much Vince sees him as part of the reason why the WWF/WWE managed to get where it is today. Vince was friendly with him long before he ever met Cornette - in fact, Vince would have known Dunn for more than a decade before the first time he ever MET Cornette, let alone when Cornette was actually invited to be part of the inner circle working on booking and talent relation stuff (which is when the incident in question would have happened). Kevin Dunn's always been woven deep into the fabric of the company. It's part of why, as much as smart marks shit on him these days or how badly he gets along with Triple H, he's almost certainly never getting fired until he dies/retires, or until Vince drops dead. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CyborgSage00x0 04/14/17 5:58:53 PM #127:	I always forget to do these. But since everyone is... "What annoys you the most about modern gaming?" It seems hard for truly new and fresh IPs to come out. Making games is expensive, and gamers fickle. So companies either spend big bucks on big, but safe, AAA games of established properties, or there is an endless mill of cheap indie games, although the vast bulk of them are garbage or clones. Game properties somewhere in the middle rarely last. I miss the SNES-N64 days, where experimentation was rampant, because there wasn't a concern for a huge loss. Also hate how many studios make nothing but gritty, "realistic" big AAA games these days. Yeah, I do like stuff like The Witcher, Dark Souls, and Uncharted, but I miss games that felt like, you know, classic video games, where the concept is wacky but sheer fun is the entire point. It's almost a cruel irony that Capcom put a representation of this mentality, Viewtiful Joe, in their MvC games, while also not allowing a VJ3 to be made. MS and Sony obsession over power, rather than innovation, I think also promotes this bland push for safe big games. "What do you like the most about modern gaming?" The sheer variety is overwhelming, which is nice. Also, I'll admit that I was a huge opponent of DLC, for the fears of game developers making half-finished games. And while on-disc DLC was tried, and some developers DO use Internet connections as an excuse to fix broken games later (hi there, Bethesda!), I think DLC has proven to be more rewarding over all. Steam is also a god-send for PC gaming. "Finally, what do you miss and not miss about classic gaming?" As said before, the sheer will to try any concept, and making games that were there just for "fun", as opposed to tell some serious story. I miss how some genres have died off, like Platformers and RTS for the PC, in favor of shooters. So, The Last Jedi is out, and as I speculated months ago, seems like Luke is the one who wants the Jedi to end (likely for the "2 sides of the same coin" reasoning). This begs the question of why Rey is being trained as a Jedi then, but oh well. --- PotD's resident Film Expert. <cite>CyborgSage00x0 posted [p:877202783] in Spider-Gee... [t:75167540]...</cite> <quote>I always forget to do these. But since everyone is... "What annoys you the most about modern gaming?" It seems hard for truly new and fresh IPs to come out. Making games is expensive, and gamers fickle. So companies either spend big bucks on big, but safe, AAA games of established properties, or there is an endless mill of cheap indie games, although the vast bulk of them are garbage or clones. Game properties somewhere in the middle rarely last. I miss the SNES-N64 days, where experimentation was rampant, because there wasn't a concern for a huge loss. Also hate how many studios make nothing but gritty, "realistic" big AAA games these days. Yeah, I do like stuff like The Witcher, Dark Souls, and Uncharted, but I miss games that felt like, you know, classic video games, where the concept is wacky but sheer fun is the entire point. It's almost a cruel irony that Capcom put a representation of this mentality, Viewtiful Joe, in their MvC games, while also not allowing a VJ3 to be made. MS and Sony obsession over power, rather than innovation, I think also promotes this bland push for safe big games. "What do you like the most about modern gaming?" The sheer variety is overwhelming, which is nice. Also, I'll admit that I was a huge opponent of DLC, for the fears of game developers making half-finished games. And while on-disc DLC was tried, and some developers DO use Internet connections as an excuse to fix broken games later (hi there, Bethesda!), I think DLC has proven to be more rewarding over all. Steam is also a god-send for PC gaming. "Finally, what do you miss and not miss about classic gaming?" As said before, the sheer will to try any concept, and making games that were there just for "fun", as opposed to tell some serious story. I miss how some genres have died off, like Platformers and RTS for the PC, in favor of shooters. So, The Last Jedi is out, and as I speculated months ago, seems like Luke is the one who wants the Jedi to end (likely for the "2 sides of the same coin" reasoning). This begs the question of why Rey is being trained as a Jedi then, but oh well.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WhiskeyDisk 04/14/17 7:08:23 PM #128:	CyborgSage00x0 posted... This begs the question of why Rey is being trained as a Jedi then, but oh well. Rey takes out Kylo, Luke takes out Snoke. Zero sum game if they all die in the battle. --- http://i.imgur.com/4fmtLFt.gif http://s1.zetaboards.com/sba/ ~there's always free cheese in a mousetrap. <cite>WhiskeyDisk posted [p:877206601] in Spider-Gee... [t:75167540]...</cite> <quote><cite>CyborgSage00x0 posted...</cite> <quote> This begs the question of why Rey is being trained as a Jedi then, but oh well.</quote> Rey takes out Kylo, Luke takes out Snoke. Zero sum game if they all die in the battle.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Entity13 04/14/17 11:59:05 PM #129:	shadowsword87 posted... Wrestling wrestling wrestling wrestling. Wrestling wrestling wrestling? Wrestling, wrestling, wrestling wrestling wrestling, wrestling wrestling. Wrestling wrestling. Me: zzzZZZzzzZZZzzz --- http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb179/EntityXIII/entityfn7.jpg <cite>Entity13 posted [p:877221667] in Spider-Gee... [t:75167540]...</cite> <quote><cite>shadowsword87 posted...</cite> <quote>Wrestling wrestling wrestling wrestling. Wrestling wrestling wrestling? Wrestling, wrestling, wrestling wrestling wrestling, wrestling wrestling. Wrestling wrestling.</quote> Me: zzzZZZzzzZZZzzz</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Wave Master 04/15/17 6:06:48 PM #130:	I could day the same thing about Final Fantasy XIV, when it compares to wrestling, but I won't. I don't want to speculate about The Last Jedi too much because it was just a teaser trailer. We all need more context to form an option. Even though it is fun to guess. --- We are who we choose to be. <cite>The Wave Master posted [p:877262282] in Spider-Gee... [t:75167540]...</cite> <quote>I could day the same thing about Final Fantasy XIV, when it compares to wrestling, but I won't. I don't want to speculate about The Last Jedi too much because it was just a teaser trailer. We all need more context to form an option. Even though it is fun to guess.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeus 04/15/17 6:40:42 PM #131:	And I, for one, find their wracism intolerable! --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| In Zeus We Trust: All Others Pay Cash <cite>Zeus posted [p:877263964] in Spider-Gee... [t:75167540]...</cite> <quote>And I, for one, find their wracism intolerable!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ParanoidObsessive 04/15/17 10:33:26 PM #132:	The Wave Master posted... I could day the same thing about Final Fantasy XIV, when it compares to wrestling, but I won't. I was thinking it. I wasn't going to SAY it, but I was definitely thinking it. The way I've always seen the Geek topics is that everyone basically talks about whatever they want while everyone else can pick and choose what to reply to. Only stark mad crazy people are going to relate to EVERY topic someone brings up here. If we take an occasional tangent into a subject that some people aren't really interested in, they're always welcome to throw their own discussion out into the pile. So I tend not to complain when someone brings up something I don't even remotely care about, and they're free to do the same when I spend 14 posts in a row talking about comic books or British sci-fi or tabletop RPGs or whatever. I mean, I know I'm super-awesome and all, but no one's obligated to read everything I write (though there WILL be a test later). And that's part of why I do the line-by-line separate quoting for each point I'm referencing in my posts - someone can easily read whatever I'm quoting and have a pretty good idea what I'm responding to, and thus know if it's worth their time to read the 37 paragraphs following the quotebox. If you're not interested in obscure 14th century poets, you're probably not interested in hearing my opinions about them, either. But as long as at least one person is interested, I'll generally be willing to hold the conversation. --- "Wall of Text'D!" --- oldskoolplayr76 "POwned again." --- blight family <cite>ParanoidObsessive posted [p:877276925] in Spider-Gee... [t:75167540]...</cite> <quote><cite>The Wave Master posted...</cite> <quote>I could day the same thing about Final Fantasy XIV, when it compares to wrestling, but I won't.</quote> I was thinking it. I wasn't going to SAY it, but I was definitely thinking it. The way I've always seen the Geek topics is that everyone basically talks about whatever they want while everyone else can pick and choose what to reply to. Only stark mad crazy people are going to relate to EVERY topic someone brings up here. If we take an occasional tangent into a subject that some people aren't really interested in, they're always welcome to throw their own discussion out into the pile. So I tend not to complain when someone brings up something I don't even remotely care about, and they're free to do the same when I spend 14 posts in a row talking about comic books or British sci-fi or tabletop RPGs or whatever. I mean, I know I'm super-awesome and all, but no one's obligated to read everything I write (though there WILL be a test later). And that's part of why I do the line-by-line separate quoting for each point I'm referencing in my posts - someone can easily read whatever I'm quoting and have a pretty good idea what I'm responding to, and thus know if it's worth their time to read the 37 paragraphs following the quotebox. If you're not interested in obscure 14th century poets, you're probably not interested in hearing my opinions about them, either. But as long as at least one person is interested, I'll generally be willing to hold the conversation. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Wave Master 04/16/17 12:04:34 AM #133:	You know the best thing about MMORPG's? The people. You know the worst thing about MMORPG's? The people. --- We are who we choose to be. <cite>The Wave Master posted [p:877281698] in Spider-Gee... [t:75167540]...</cite> <quote>You know the best thing about MMORPG's? The people. You know the worst thing about MMORPG's? The people.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Wave Master 04/16/17 12:29:43 AM #134:	I was browsing Amazon as I was watching Street Fighter V and King of the Fighters XIV on Twitch. Well, it got me thinking about the Xbone One. We were talking earlier about Project Scorpio being fairly expensive, but not a lot of games. I mentioned Horizon Zero Dawn and Persona 5 as hot exclusives, but I forgot about MLB: The Show, (The only baseball game.) and The Kingdom Hearts remakes as well. Not to pile onto Microsoft, even though I am, but why would you choose an Xbox over a ps4? Because all the games are on Sony's machine. --- We are who we choose to be. <cite>The Wave Master posted [p:877282928] in Spider-Gee... [t:75167540]...</cite> <quote>I was browsing Amazon as I was watching Street Fighter V and King of the Fighters XIV on Twitch. Well, it got me thinking about the Xbone One. We were talking earlier about Project Scorpio being fairly expensive, but not a lot of games. I mentioned Horizon Zero Dawn and Persona 5 as hot exclusives, but I forgot about MLB: The Show, (The only baseball game.) and The Kingdom Hearts remakes as well. Not to pile onto Microsoft, even though I am, but why would you choose an Xbox over a ps4? Because all the games are on Sony's machine.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ParanoidObsessive 04/16/17 5:36:47 AM #135:	I found this comment from Ron Frenz kind of amusing: "One way to look at it is the best way to write a Spider-Man story is to make a list of all the shittiest things that can happen to a human being, then you eliminate all the things that other writers have already done, and what is left are some story ideas." As much as "Parker Luck" is actually a thing in the comics, and it's sort of become memetic that literally nothing good can ever happen to Peter, ever, because the universe itself kind of hates him, it's funny to hear writers literally admitting that they actually wrote stories with that idea in mind. --- "Wall of Text'D!" --- oldskoolplayr76 "POwned again." --- blight family <cite>ParanoidObsessive posted [p:877291964] in Spider-Gee... [t:75167540]...</cite> <quote>I found this comment from Ron Frenz kind of amusing: "One way to look at it is the best way to write a Spider-Man story is to make a list of all the shittiest things that can happen to a human being, then you eliminate all the things that other writers have already done, and what is left are some story ideas." As much as "Parker Luck" is actually a thing in the comics, and it's sort of become memetic that literally nothing good can ever happen to Peter, ever, because the universe itself kind of hates him, it's funny to hear writers literally admitting that they actually wrote stories with that idea in mind. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Raganork10 04/16/17 4:17:49 PM #136:	Y'know, I was kinda happy when RLM made the original Nerd Crew podcast episodes, but I was expecting it to last several episodes and then die off. They made their point already. Now they've made a fourth episode and it's beyond beating a dead horse at this point, and has crossed over into I'm not gonna watch this territory. I think when you stretch a joke out long enough, it ceases being satire and just becomes that actual thing you're trying to satirize. I just hope we don't get a Nerd Crew episode 20 by the end of the year. <cite>Raganork10 posted [p:877315384] in Spider-Gee... [t:75167540]...</cite> <quote>Y'know, I was kinda happy when RLM made the original Nerd Crew podcast episodes, but I was expecting it to last several episodes and then die off. They made their point already. Now they've made a fourth episode and it's beyond beating a dead horse at this point, and has crossed over into I'm not gonna watch this territory. I think when you stretch a joke out long enough, it ceases being satire and just becomes that actual thing you're trying to satirize. I just hope we don't get a Nerd Crew episode 20 by the end of the year.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Wave Master 04/16/17 5:32:49 PM #137:	I feelnhorrible for feeling the same way the writers do about Peter Parker. He isn't a happy character, he is a tragic character, he should suffer. Peter Parker is primarily driven by guilt. The guilt of loss and failure compel him. He can't and shouldn't have victory without first experiencing loss. --- We are who we choose to be. <cite>The Wave Master posted [p:877319556] in Spider-Gee... [t:75167540]...</cite> <quote>I feelnhorrible for feeling the same way the writers do about Peter Parker. He isn't a happy character, he is a tragic character, he should suffer. Peter Parker is primarily driven by guilt. The guilt of loss and failure compel him. He can't and shouldn't have victory without first experiencing loss.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Entity13 04/16/17 6:36:22 PM #138:	The Wave Master posted... I feelnhorrible for feeling the same way the writers do about Peter Parker. He isn't a happy character, he is a tragic character, he should suffer. Peter Parker is primarily driven by guilt. The guilt of loss and failure compel him. He can't and shouldn't have victory without first experiencing loss. He's a character of triumph and sass. A tragedy moved him towards doing the right thing. --- http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb179/EntityXIII/entityfn7.jpg <cite>Entity13 posted [p:877322820] in Spider-Gee... [t:75167540]...</cite> <quote><cite>The Wave Master posted...</cite> <quote>I feelnhorrible for feeling the same way the writers do about Peter Parker. He isn't a happy character, he is a tragic character, he should suffer. Peter Parker is primarily driven by guilt. The guilt of loss and failure compel him. He can't and shouldn't have victory without first experiencing loss.</quote> He's a character of triumph and sass. A tragedy moved him towards doing the right thing.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeus 04/16/17 7:50:40 PM #139:	The Wave Master posted... I feelnhorrible for feeling the same way the writers do about Peter Parker. He isn't a happy character, he is a tragic character, he should suffer. Peter Parker is primarily driven by guilt. The guilt of loss and failure compel him. He can't and shouldn't have victory without first experiencing loss. Why, though? It's not like Batman who suffered some serious trauma during his childhood which he carried for years and became his life's motivation. He can be happy and still feel responsibility. Having him with MJ did no harm to the character, no matter what Joe "I hate redheads" Quesada says. Keep in mind that other heroes have similar issues between dead parents/guardians and loved ones. Flash's mom died and he doesn't mope the entire fucking time. --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| In Zeus We Trust: All Others Pay Cash <cite>Zeus posted [p:877326889] in Spider-Gee... [t:75167540]...</cite> <quote><cite>The Wave Master posted...</cite> <quote>I feelnhorrible for feeling the same way the writers do about Peter Parker. He isn't a happy character, he is a tragic character, he should suffer. Peter Parker is primarily driven by guilt. The guilt of loss and failure compel him. He can't and shouldn't have victory without first experiencing loss.</quote> Why, though? It's not like Batman who suffered some serious trauma during his childhood which he carried for years and became his life's motivation. He can be happy and still feel responsibility. Having him with MJ did no harm to the character, no matter what Joe "I hate redheads" Quesada says. Keep in mind that other heroes have similar issues between dead parents/guardians and loved ones. Flash's mom died and he doesn't mope the entire fucking time.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
shadowsword87 04/16/17 11:31:45 PM #140:	Raganork10 posted... Y'know, I was kinda happy when RLM made the original Nerd Crew podcast episodes, but I was expecting it to last several episodes and then die off. They made their point already. Now they've made a fourth episode and it's beyond beating a dead horse at this point, and has crossed over into I'm not gonna watch this territory. I think when you stretch a joke out long enough, it ceases being satire and just becomes that actual thing you're trying to satirize. I just hope we don't get a Nerd Crew episode 20 by the end of the year. I mean, I'm still enjoying it because I like watching other people get made fun of >_> <cite>shadowsword87 posted [p:877339438] in Spider-Gee... [t:75167540]...</cite> <quote><cite>Raganork10 posted...</cite> <quote>Y'know, I was kinda happy when RLM made the original Nerd Crew podcast episodes, but I was expecting it to last several episodes and then die off. They made their point already. Now they've made a fourth episode and it's beyond beating a dead horse at this point, and has crossed over into I'm not gonna watch this territory. I think when you stretch a joke out long enough, it ceases being satire and just becomes that actual thing you're trying to satirize. I just hope we don't get a Nerd Crew episode 20 by the end of the year.</quote> I mean, I'm still enjoying it because I like watching other people get made fun of >_></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Wave Master 04/16/17 11:33:08 PM #141:	Batman is worse than Spider-Man because Peter can at least be happy. Bruce hasn't been happy since before going to the opera that night. He will never be happy again because he is so scared to be happy again because of the overwhelming fear that his happiness will be taken away. At least Peter overcomes that fear and tries again. Bruce is too afraid to try. --- We are who we choose to be. <cite>The Wave Master posted [p:877339508] in Spider-Gee... [t:75167540]...</cite> <quote>Batman is worse than Spider-Man because Peter can at least be happy. Bruce hasn't been happy since before going to the opera that night. He will never be happy again because he is so scared to be happy again because of the overwhelming fear that his happiness will be taken away. At least Peter overcomes that fear and tries again. Bruce is too afraid to try.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeus 04/16/17 11:54:02 PM #142:	The Wave Master posted... Batman is worse than Spider-Man because Peter can at least be happy. Bruce hasn't been happy since before going to the opera that night. He will never be happy again because he is so scared to be happy again because of the overwhelming fear that his happiness will be taken away. At least Peter overcomes that fear and tries again. Bruce is too afraid to try. No. Just... no. First off, their situations aren't all that comparable. Peter lost ONE guardian to a traumatic incident in his teens. He still had Aunt May. Bruce had BOTH of his parents killed in front of him due to a decision which, depending on the continuity, he made (okay, so that's a bit like Spidey, but keep in mind that it has a far worse impact on a child and, because his decision wasn't malicious in nature, there wasn't a feeling of karma). If anything, Peter is worse in terms of emotional decisions for not being able to rationalize his situation better because he was effectively an adult. As for happiness, Bruce has had several running loves in his life and he's had the chance to serve as a father to four different kids (more, if you count supporting characters like Steph). While he's portrayed as brooding and obsessive, we see a lot of flashbacks which reveal happy moments over the years. And he clearly hasn't "stopped trying" because it's not like he shut himself off from the world, as he maintains a lot of friendships with other heroes. --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| In Zeus We Trust: All Others Pay Cash <cite>Zeus posted [p:877340553] in Spider-Gee... [t:75167540]...</cite> <quote><cite>The Wave Master posted...</cite> <quote>Batman is worse than Spider-Man because Peter can at least be happy. Bruce hasn't been happy since before going to the opera that night. He will never be happy again because he is so scared to be happy again because of the overwhelming fear that his happiness will be taken away. At least Peter overcomes that fear and tries again. Bruce is too afraid to try.</quote> No. Just... no. First off, their situations aren't all that comparable. Peter lost ONE guardian to a traumatic incident in his teens. He still had Aunt May. Bruce had BOTH of his parents killed in front of him due to a decision which, depending on the continuity, he made (okay, so that's a bit like Spidey, but keep in mind that it has a far worse impact on a child and, because his decision wasn't malicious in nature, there wasn't a feeling of karma). If anything, Peter is worse in terms of emotional decisions for not being able to rationalize his situation better because he was effectively an adult. As for happiness, Bruce has had several running loves in his life and he's had the chance to serve as a father to four different kids (more, if you count supporting characters like Steph). While he's portrayed as brooding and obsessive, we see a lot of flashbacks which reveal happy moments over the years. And he clearly hasn't "stopped trying" because it's not like he shut himself off from the world, as he maintains a lot of friendships with other heroes.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Entity13 04/17/17 12:35:47 AM #143:	ITT: I agree with Zeus by a country mile. --- http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb179/EntityXIII/entityfn7.jpg <cite>Entity13 posted [p:877342573] in Spider-Gee... [t:75167540]...</cite> <quote>ITT: I agree with Zeus by a country mile.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Wave Master 04/17/17 1:05:55 AM #144:	I bring up as an example of Bruce being u willing to be happy; "Hush" all of Hush. Also, my point is that Bruce is more psychologically damaged than Peter, and will never be happy. Because he won't let himself. Crap just galena to Peter; very little self sabotage. (Except Brand New Day. Which was terrible.) --- We are who we choose to be. <cite>The Wave Master posted [p:877343906] in Spider-Gee... [t:75167540]...</cite> <quote>I bring up as an example of Bruce being u willing to be happy; "Hush" all of Hush. Also, my point is that Bruce is more psychologically damaged than Peter, and will never be happy. Because he won't let himself. Crap just galena to Peter; very little self sabotage. (Except Brand New Day. Which was terrible.)</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Entity13 04/17/17 3:39:21 AM #145:	In other news, I'm looking again at my main bookcase and wondering what I should get to fill some of the empty space in the first two shelves. I'm open to suggestions regarding authors whose surnames start with either letter A-G. Though, I suppose H and I might work if the suggestions are small; same for J if it precedes "Jordan" alphabetically (and now it's too complicated so stick with A-G if you can). Currently on the first two selves: "Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy" (Adams), "Peter Pan" (Barrie), "25th Hour" (Benioff), "3x Carlin: An Orgy of George" (Carlin), "Josey Wales" (Carter), "The Complete Sherlock Holmes" (Doyle), "Crossroads" and "Spiritwalker" trilogies (Elliott), "Leverage: The Con Job" (Forbeck), "American Gods" and "Anansi Boys" and "The Ocean at the End of the Lane" (Gaiman), "Summer in the Land of Skin" (Gehrman), "Lord of the Flies" (Golding), "The Princess Bride" (Goldman), "The Punic Wars" (Goldsworthy) ------------- "The Sword of Truth" (Goodkind), "Stupid History" (Gregory), "Dune" series (Herbert), "The Illiad" and "The Odyssey" (Homer) Might be able to be moved to another library if space is required. Works of fiction, especially fantasy, are preferred. Thanks in advance. --- http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb179/EntityXIII/entityfn7.jpg <cite>Entity13 posted [p:877348457] in Spider-Gee... [t:75167540]...</cite> <quote>In other news, I'm looking again at my main bookcase and wondering what I should get to fill some of the empty space in the first two shelves. I'm open to suggestions regarding authors whose surnames start with either letter A-G. Though, I suppose H and I might work if the suggestions are small; same for J if it precedes "Jordan" alphabetically (and now it's too complicated so stick with A-G if you can). Currently on the first two selves: "Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy" (Adams), "Peter Pan" (Barrie), "25th Hour" (Benioff), "3x Carlin: An Orgy of George" (Carlin), "Josey Wales" (Carter), "The Complete Sherlock Holmes" (Doyle), "Crossroads" and "Spiritwalker" trilogies (Elliott), "Leverage: The Con Job" (Forbeck), "American Gods" and "Anansi Boys" and "The Ocean at the End of the Lane" (Gaiman), "Summer in the Land of Skin" (Gehrman), "Lord of the Flies" (Golding), "The Princess Bride" (Goldman), "The Punic Wars" (Goldsworthy) ------------- "The Sword of Truth" (Goodkind), "Stupid History" (Gregory), "Dune" series (Herbert), "The Illiad" and "The Odyssey" (Homer) Might be able to be moved to another library if space is required. Works of fiction, especially fantasy, are preferred. Thanks in advance.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
shadowsword87 04/17/17 3:44:40 AM #146:	Entity13 posted... wondering what I should get to fill some of the empty space in the first two shelves. I'm open to suggestions regarding authors whose surnames start with either letter The Foundation series by Issac Asimov (any Asimov is good though) Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep by Philip K Dick The Culture series by Ian Banks Of course The Dresden Files byJim Butcher isn't... good writing. But it's good enjoyable trash. Man, I like a mostly scifi stuff, sorry fantasy isn't my thing. <cite>shadowsword87 posted [p:877348574] in Spider-Gee... [t:75167540]...</cite> <quote><cite>Entity13 posted...</cite> <quote>wondering what I should get to fill some of the empty space in the first two shelves. I'm open to suggestions regarding authors whose surnames start with either letter</quote> The Foundation series by Issac Asimov (any Asimov is good though) Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep by Philip K Dick The Culture series by Ian Banks Of course The Dresden Files byJim Butcher isn't... good writing. But it's good enjoyable trash. Man, I like a mostly scifi stuff, sorry fantasy isn't my thing.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Entity13 04/17/17 3:51:35 AM #147:	shadowsword87 posted... Man, I like a mostly scifi stuff, sorry fantasy isn't my thing. That's fair. Notice that I have "Dune," also on the bottom shelf I have Zelezny's "Lord of Light." Sci Fi is fine when it's a good enough story to not worry about the genre. shadowsword87 posted... Of course The Dresden Files byJim Butcher isn't... good writing. But it's good enjoyable trash. So I understood in the past and have yet to bother doing anything about. Like, I see the books all the time in stores, but can never ring myself to read more than the back cover of one or two of them. shrugs --- http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb179/EntityXIII/entityfn7.jpg <cite>Entity13 posted [p:877348711] in Spider-Gee... [t:75167540]...</cite> <quote><cite>shadowsword87 posted...</cite> <quote>Man, I like a mostly scifi stuff, sorry fantasy isn't my thing. </quote> That's fair. Notice that I have "Dune," also on the bottom shelf I have Zelezny's "Lord of Light." Sci Fi is fine when it's a good enough story to not worry about the genre. <cite>shadowsword87 posted...</cite> <quote>Of course The Dresden Files byJim Butcher isn't... good writing. But it's good enjoyable trash. </quote> So I understood in the past and have yet to bother doing anything about. Like, I see the books all the time in stores, but can never ring myself to read more than the back cover of one or two of them. shrugs</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Metalsonic66 04/17/17 8:55:42 AM #148:	Entity13 posted... I'm open to suggestions regarding authors whose surnames start with either letter A-G. Ender's Game and Speaker for the Dead by Orson Scott Card. Timeline, Eaters of the Dead, Sphere, Andromeda Strain, and the two Jurassic Park books by Michael Crichton. The Positronic Man by Isaac Asimov. The Testament by John Grisham (not fantasy or sci-fi, but a good book) --- PSN/Steam ID: Metalsonic_69 Big bombs go kabang. <cite>Metalsonic66 posted [p:877354743] in Spider-Gee... [t:75167540]...</cite> <quote><cite>Entity13 posted...</cite> <quote>I'm open to suggestions regarding authors whose surnames start with either letter A-G.</quote> Ender's Game and Speaker for the Dead by Orson Scott Card. Timeline, Eaters of the Dead, Sphere, Andromeda Strain, and the two Jurassic Park books by Michael Crichton. The Positronic Man by Isaac Asimov. The Testament by John Grisham (not fantasy or sci-fi, but a good book)</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeus 04/17/17 6:44:12 PM #149:	Entity13 posted... In other news, I'm looking again at my main bookcase and wondering what I should get to fill some of the empty space in the first two shelves. I'm open to suggestions regarding authors whose surnames start with either letter A-G. Though, I suppose H and I might work if the suggestions are small; same for J if it precedes "Jordan" alphabetically (and now it's too complicated so stick with A-G if you can). Anything by Joseph Campbell >_> Given that fantasy as a genre is deeply rooted in mythology, it could you give you some keen insights into the genre as a whole. --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| In Zeus We Trust: All Others Pay Cash <cite>Zeus posted [p:877385855] in Spider-Gee... [t:75167540]...</cite> <quote><cite>Entity13 posted...</cite> <quote>In other news, I'm looking again at my main bookcase and wondering what I should get to fill some of the empty space in the first two shelves. I'm open to suggestions regarding authors whose surnames start with either letter A-G. Though, I suppose H and I might work if the suggestions are small; same for J if it precedes "Jordan" alphabetically (and now it's too complicated so stick with A-G if you can).</quote> Anything by Joseph Campbell >_> Given that fantasy as a genre is deeply rooted in mythology, it could you give you some keen insights into the genre as a whole.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
shadowsword87 04/17/17 7:58:28 PM #150:	Zeus posted... Anything by Joseph Campbell >_> Given that fantasy as a genre is deeply rooted in mythology, it could you give you some keen insights into the genre as a whole. I tried to read The Hero With a Thousand Faces, I couldn't get passed the love for Freud, in unashamed love for him. <cite>shadowsword87 posted [p:877390149] in Spider-Gee... [t:75167540]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote>Anything by Joseph Campbell >_> Given that fantasy as a genre is deeply rooted in mythology, it could you give you some keen insights into the genre as a whole.</quote> I tried to read The Hero With a Thousand Faces, I couldn't get passed the love for Freud, in unashamed love for him.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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