Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 77: Cure For What Ailes You

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Also worth noting that when Arin was hanging around Jon (not just in Grumps), Arin was more inclined to use racially offensive humor...

...but now that he and Jon have parted ways, for the most part, Arin's actually become a lot more respectful of other people and is more inclined to be sensitive to other people's values.

Coincidence?
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ImTheMacheteGuy posted...

okay so yeah the new data about Aaron Hernandez is wrong too

the only thing wrong here is you continuing to try to use literally murder as an analogy.
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So what is the acceptable level of grievance a person can commit before that new knowledge is allowed to alter a persons opinion of someone?
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"Objection! I want that analogy thrown out!"
"On what grounds?"
"It's devastating to my case!"
"Overruled."
"Good call!"
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Wanglicious posted...

ImTheMacheteGuy posted...

okay so yeah the new data about Aaron Hernandez is wrong too

the only thing wrong here is you continuing to try to use literally murder as an analogy.

You didn't quote or respond to what I said with my other analogy about if I started to yell the n-word at black people, so is that one also wrong because the point is exactly the same?
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Trump has given the CIA the authority to call in drone strikes: http://thehill.com/policy/defense/323808-trump-gives-cia-power-to-launch-drone-strikes-report
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ImTheMacheteGuy posted...

You didn't quote or respond to what I said with my other analogy about if I started to yell the n-word at black people,

...where was this?
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LordoftheMorons posted...

Trump has given the CIA the authority to call in drone strikes: http://thehill.com/policy/defense/323808-trump-gives-cia-power-to-launch-drone-strikes-report

fantastic. so they dig up any evidence possible, even if it's illegal, and don't worry about the consequences because they'll just drone the guy.
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LordoftheMorons posted...

Trump has given the CIA the authority to call in drone strikes: http://thehill.com/policy/defense/323808-trump-gives-cia-power-to-launch-drone-strikes-report

Maybe it's not fair, but it reminds me of when John Kasich was asked to be VP so he could handle all domestic and foreign affairs while Donald "makes America great again."

Since drone-strikes were usually a military decision before, I'm not sure if that means at the time it was more of a general's decision or commander-in-chief's decision...but either way you go with that, Donald probably didn't want to handle drone-strikes in this shift of responsibility.
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Wanglicious posted...

ImTheMacheteGuy posted...

You didn't quote or respond to what I said with my other analogy about if I started to yell the n-word at black people,

...where was this?

ImTheMacheteGuy posted...

I don't have a history of racism, so I'm glad to know that if I went around yelling the n-word at black people, you'd dismiss that as false new data and consider me a non-racist because it contradicts the old data of me NOT yelling the n-word at people.

If you genuinely missed it (probably stopped reading at the spoiler tags?), no worries...
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oh, that one's new. i mostly just saw the first part comparing murder again and just dismissed the rest as i didn't know what you were talking about.

if you went around yelling the n-word at black people and had a history where you promoted the idea that all people should be respected, that they should all be loved - JonTron says those exact words on the stream mind you - and have been following these principles for at least the past few years of your life, i'd ask you what's going on as opposed to just going "oh, guess you're now a racist." are you doing this to make a point of some kind (e.g., Carlin's bit on language)? is this some sort of thing you have going on with a couple friends? my presumption would be that you being racist contradicts how you've lived and what you've believed for years so there's something else to it, not that you just randomly decided to hate black people.

edit:
now obviously maybe something happened and you changed. but i would not presume this by default and if there's clearer, more consistent answers, would assume those are probably the accurate ones.
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https://twitter.com/bomani_jones/status/841377065001721857

Thanks for the update, Spicy.
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Wanglicious posted...

oh, that one's new. i mostly just saw the first part comparing murder again and just dismissed the rest as i didn't know what you were talking about.

if you went around yelling the n-word at black people and had a history where you promoted the idea that all people should be respected, that they should all be loved - JonTron says those exact words on the stream mind you - and have been following these principles for at least the past few years of your life, i'd ask you what's going on as opposed to just going "oh, guess you're now a racist." are you doing this to make a point of some kind (e.g., Carlin's bit on language)? is this some sort of thing you have going on with a couple friends? my presumption would be that you being racist contradicts how you've lived and what you've believed for years so there's something else to it, not that you just randomly decided to hate black people.

edit:
now obviously maybe something happened and you changed. but i would not presume this by default and if there's clearer, more consistent answers, would assume those are probably the accurate ones.

maybe you never really knew me...
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Let me try to put it into words Wang can understand.

Let's say that I have a female friend and she's really nice to me. We're platonic buddies. Best friends even. And we hang out a lot and I find her fun.

Then let's say I find out that she's been abusive to her boyfriend. She beats him, emotionally manipulates him, yells insults at him, and then pulls the sobbing act to make him feel guilty for being abused. I witness this with my own eyes.

Do I, then, deny what I saw because I know her to be a nice person, so therefore, I must be interpreting things wrong...

...or do I break all ties with her and do my best to get her boyfriend to a place of safety where he doesn't have to endure her abuse ever again?
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BowserCuffs posted...

Let me try to put it into words Wang can understand.

Let's say that I have a female friend and she's really nice to me. We're platonic buddies. Best friends even. And we hang out a lot and I find her fun.

Then let's say I find out that she's been abusive to her boyfriend. She beats him, emotionally manipulates him, yells insults at him, and then pulls the sobbing act to make him feel guilty for being abused. I witness this with my own eyes.

Do I, then, deny what I saw because I know her to be a nice person, so therefore, I must be interpreting things wrong...

...or do I break all ties with her and do my best to get her boyfriend to a place of safety where he doesn't have to endure her abuse ever again?

Also known as the "Joe Paterno dilemma"

Honestly, all the guys in that scenario sound like beta cucks to me.
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...so your answer to murder not making sense is to compare him to someone who beats and abuses her boyfriend.
that's slightly better than the murder analogy, i guess.

machete's analogy there was good. it's in the ballpark and you can generally have the two apply equally. person lives a certain way, has certain beliefs, something is said that would massively contradict them, you look to reconcile the difference. fairly straightforward.

i do not know how you thought domestic violence is a reasonable comparison, no. like you start with the right idea of it being a person you know and then randomly have her start beating the s*** out of her boyfriend and abusing him. what?
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I'm not gonna pretend I'm not selfish and am not looking forward to the GBP continuing to plummet so that my contact lenses get cheaper and cheaper. I'm already spending $40 less every order since Brexit was voted on in the first place.
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TB's take is a liiitle different but i can dig it. second of two vids that gets more into the reaction people have (which is the crux of where my issues lie). first was s***ting on gizmodo since it seems like more media vs. youtubers, anti-witch hunting, etc. this furthers that and gets into people's reactions more. can be compatible with mine but the two just are different points and positions.

https://soundcloud.com/totalbiscuit/the-maddening-crowd
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Wanglicious posted...

like if Japan suddenly had a massive surge of frat boys, of course they'd freak out, saying "hey, you came to us, respect our norms or go back." and you wouldn't hear a peep from the people who push for taking in more migrants from the middle east, they'd be dead silent on that. the few who wouldn't would likely agree with Japan, say they need to grow up, adapt, etc. they wouldn't go "well it's their culture, stop being racist." if France/Germany/US/UK were "Japan" and the frat boys were migrants from Iraq, those countries are evil for having that attitude.

Living in Japan right now I can tell you this is factually incorrect.

http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2016/10/11/national/nankai-train-conductor-chided-apologizing-presence-non-japanese-passengers/
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GuessMyUserName posted...

Wanglicious posted...

like if Japan suddenly had a massive surge of frat boys, of course they'd freak out, saying "hey, you came to us, respect our norms or go back." and you wouldn't hear a peep from the people who push for taking in more migrants from the middle east, they'd be dead silent on that. the few who wouldn't would likely agree with Japan, say they need to grow up, adapt, etc. they wouldn't go "well it's their culture, stop being racist." if France/Germany/US/UK were "Japan" and the frat boys were migrants from Iraq, those countries are evil for having that attitude.

Living in Japan right now I can tell you this is factually incorrect.

http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2016/10/11/national/nankai-train-conductor-chided-apologizing-presence-non-japanese-passengers/

Wang tried to argue that Japan, quite possibly the most racist country on the planet, would have no problems with foreigners if they followed their rules.

Unsurprisingly this turned out to not work out.
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...i did not try to argue that, no. why do you insist on putting words in my mouth instead of what i actually say? the argument has very little to do with Japan itself, did you not see how literally continents were listed along with other countries? that story doesn't actually have anything to do with the argument.
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In what f***ing world is Japan as a country still idolized in America by anyone out of highschool? Do you think if someone is into jRPG or anime they're some kind of fanatic? Japan is a f***ing train wreck right now.
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it depends on the idolization. if it's business, education, or work ethic, there's value in all that.

but it's still very odd to be fixated on Japan there. Africa, Asia, and India are all explicitly used as examples so what's with the focus there? like this isn't a "well this one country..." issue because the argument doesn't care for that, it cares for the reactions certain people outside of them have. the people being criticized aren't the citizens of those nations, it's the busybodies in the US, France, Germany, etc. hell, in the longer example with Japan there that GMUN posted, i'm saying the Japanese are being racist. at no point does that imply that "oh there would be no problems if you follow their rules." that never got said, that never got implied, so what the hell is that? i can get GMUN not really understanding what he replied to if he just randomly saw that or something but SZ should know better.
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Wanglicious posted...

...i did not try to argue that, no. why do you insist on putting words in my mouth instead of what i actually say? the argument has very little to do with Japan itself, did you not see how literally continents were listed along with other countries? you can replace it with damn near any other country there, the only way you get focused on Japan is if you're using a strawman. that story doesn't actually have anything to do with the argument.

I'll set aside that you didn't list any continents and just point out that you probably shouldn't have tried to use JAPAN as your base example, because that's just dumb.
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HaRRicH posted...

LordoftheMorons posted...

Trump has given the CIA the authority to call in drone strikes: http://thehill.com/policy/defense/323808-trump-gives-cia-power-to-launch-drone-strikes-report

Maybe it's not fair, but it reminds me of when John Kasich was asked to be VP so he could handle all domestic and foreign affairs while Donald "makes America great again."

Since drone-strikes were usually a military decision before, I'm not sure if that means at the time it was more of a general's decision or commander-in-chief's decision...but either way you go with that, Donald probably didn't want to handle drone-strikes in this shift of responsibility.

christ. if the shadow government didn't exist already, i can't think of a better way to create it.
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hopefully it is literally just in combat areas or something
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(I'm not referring to Wang specifically)

How can people with a straight face compare immigration in the US to any other country on the planet.

The USA's entire schtick is LITERALLY how we are a nation of immigrants.

Edited because I changed part of what I said, which made the preface wrong.
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https://twitter.com/duskcry/status/841472356665167872

SupremeZero posted...

I'll set aside that you didn't list any continents and just point out that you probably shouldn't have tried to use JAPAN as your base example, because that's just dumb.

Wanglicious posted...

- he's agreeing with someone who says that steve king's baby premise is dumb.
- said person also says that he finds it odd multiculturalism is only championed in white majority nations. that nobody has a problem with africa, asia, or india being with the majority of their natives, that this only comes up with white ones.
- he agrees with another person who points out that Japan is extremely protective of their culture, way more than we are, and yet everyone gushes over them.

?
in the first post that mentions Japan, they're mentioned.
because they're in the initial conversation being talked about.
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Skyridge87 posted...

https://twitter.com/duskcry/status/841472356665167872

If even 10% of this is true, woooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooow
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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

How can people with a straight face compare immigration in the US to any other country on the planet.

The USA's entire schtick is LITERALLY how we are a nation of immigrants.

there's always been tensions on that though. like yeah, that's our mantra, doesn't mean people have liked it. we've always had people that will literally beat our current culture into you if you're "too foreign," that thankfully seems to have mostly gone away. partially because you can go after them with internet instead. middle east just tackles a bunch of differences in one go; different religion, different beliefs and practices that are incredibly backwards by any modern standard. the former gets people on the right, the latter gets people on the left. that was actually jontron's issue, which he eventually got to, the issue of assimilation. doesn't seem like he understands the linguistic three generation rule and what that creates, despite living as the 2nd.
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KamikazePotato posted...

Skyridge87 posted...

https://twitter.com/duskcry/status/841472356665167872

If even 10% of this is true, woooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooow

Definately said all those things.
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Skyridge87 posted...

https://twitter.com/duskcry/status/841472356665167872

hey i didn't know gamefaqs user ultimaterializerx was actually youtube superstar jontron
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KamikazePotato posted...

Skyridge87 posted...

https://twitter.com/duskcry/status/841472356665167872

If even 10% of this is true, woooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooow

most of it is, though the first one for sure isn't. it's messier on stream because he makes massively large contradictions and topic jumps a lot. not included in that is his realizing that it's the assimilation into culture that he's worried about. that took a long time for them to get since Destiny focused more on race when that never really was JonTron's focus and it took him forever to realize that. JonTron's very ignorant of history, of how cultures change, on crime rates, criminology as a subject, and a slew of other things. he's pretty much never dabbled into political talk of any sort from the looks of it.
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https://twitter.com/danikaharrod/status/841426855479656449

Features the ability to cook Donald's goose for one or two terms.
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If this was Ted Nugent shooting Clown Barack Obama in a music video we would never hear the end of it.

Ted Nugent told Hillary (in absentia) to "suck on my machine gun". We heard the end of it pretty damn quick; I only know it happened at all because the Daily Show brought it up when Fox News was complaining Obama invited a rapper to the White House.

Edit: A quick Google search, and I must amend the comment: the machine gun line was OBAMA. Hillary got "You might want to ride one of these into the sunset, you worthless *****", apparently.
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MalcolmMasher posted...

If this was Ted Nugent shooting Clown Barack Obama in a music video we would never hear the end of it.

Ted Nugent told Hillary (in absentia) to "suck on my machine gun". We heard the end of it pretty damn quick; I only know it happened at all because the Daily Show brought it up when Fox News was complaining Obama invited a rapper to the White House.

Edit: A quick Google search, and I must amend the comment: the machine gun line was OBAMA. Hillary got "You might want to ride one of these into the sunset, you worthless *****", apparently.

yeah but did he shoot a clown dressed like Obama in a music video? I don't think so

checkmate librials
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UltimaterializerX posted...

MalcolmMasher posted...

If this was Ted Nugent shooting Clown Barack Obama in a music video we would never hear the end of it.

Ted Nugent told Hillary (in absentia) to "suck on my machine gun". We heard the end of it pretty damn quick; I only know it happened at all because the Daily Show brought it up when Fox News was complaining Obama invited a rapper to the White House.

Edit: A quick Google search, and I must amend the comment: the machine gun line was OBAMA. Hillary got "You might want to ride one of these into the sunset, you worthless *****", apparently.

It's different with a visual, a la Ray Rice.

How about a literal target of Obama for people to shoot?

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/vendor-pulls-obama-target-from-booth-at-nra-convention
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I'll allow that I'm not familiar with the details of the Ray Rice case, but my understanding is that what damned him is being caught on video. So I don't get what you mean? Like, do you want me to rustle up a video of Nugent at that event? Because I don't think that will be terribly hard, the Internet was still around then.

On the other hand, if you mean that Nugent didn't go to the degree of having an actual physical prop to represent his object(s) of hatred and Snoop did... well, that's coherent, but I don't see what it has to do with Ray Rice.
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UltimaterializerX posted...

http://i.imgur.com/QxMuDbU.png

Interesting collaboration. I watched this expecting it to finish with a Cronenberg head explosion but it turned out to be one of those flag guns from old cartoons. Tame!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ifi9M7DRazI

John Oliver does it again.
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