Board 8 > All-Purpose Wrestling Topic 198: Only Bruno has the Stones to Blow Off Triple H

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Tomorrow's lesson at SWA: Big guys shouldn't charge at people who are standing against the ropes in Battle Royals #WrestlingTips

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Th3rd is the one who made the Summer of Punk video, yeah. Here is the teaser for his more "up to date" Daniel Bryan Story video:



There's also this for lulz:

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I think, of all the things in that three-hour Raw commercial, my favorite is the fact that everyone is in their ring attire while hanging around an office. I didn't even really notice it until the end of the video my first time watching.

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Jakyl25 posted...

Lance Storm @Storm_Wrestling
Tomorrow's lesson at SWA: Big guys shouldn't charge at people who are standing against the ropes in Battle Royals #WrestlingTips

20+ years of Royal Rumble losers wish they would've learned this lesson first.

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So I haven't payed attention to wrestling since Sandow started cus of stuff. Anyone mind giving me the cliffnotes version?

Oh, basically, Damien Sandow is our intellectual savior for us, the unwashed masses, who do not know we should be cheering for him and booing ignoramuses like Zack Ryder. He is on a mission to show us how wrong we are, and thanks us for our irrelevant opinion.

We're welcome.

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^ thx for the link (I count on APWT to inform me of new comics), but the preceding one was funnier. The way the cat's flexing as it purrs... I lol'd

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This may or may not have been made by the same guy who did that Dr. Horrible presents Summer of Punk video. And it's probably already been posted, but I haven't seen it.

Watching those Bryan Danielson clips make me wish DB broke out more submission holds and limb work in his WWE matches. There were some really cool and unique holds in there.

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Yeah, dragon had a much deeper move pool in roh. I still think we'll see it, and we will definitely see more of it, during matches against guys like punk.

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I wish dragon were less kicky and more like Dean Malenko to be honest.

I know MMA is like proof that this mindset is false but a kicky guy and a submission specialist feel like totally different wrestling characters.

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Gotta be diverse to throw your opponent off. Getting too predictable is a recipe for being countered.

Too bad wrestling rarely delves into this level of strategy.

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From: edwardsdv | #160

I wish dragon were less kicky and more like Dean Malenko to be honest.

I know MMA is like proof that this mindset is false but a kicky guy and a submission specialist feel like totally different wrestling characters.

WWE has definitely gotten kick-happy. Dragon, Punk, Sheamus, ADR, and Cody off the top of my head all rely on kicks as significant moves in their arsenal.

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I'm not sure Sheamus is in the same category.

The Brogue Kick is just a super version of a Big Boot, which has been a part of power wrestling for decades (as Hulk Hogan demonstrates)

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I suppose. What about Kofi?

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Sure, Trouble in Paradise is just a variation of the Punk/Dragon style head kicks.

Rey also uses kicks a lot to wear down opponents.

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Yoshi also has kicks for finishers.

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Given that I don't watch superstars or NXT, I'm not certain I've ever seen Yoshi do anything but job.

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From: Jakyl25 | #161

Gotta be diverse to throw your opponent off. Getting too predictable is a recipe for being countered.

Too bad wrestling rarely delves into this level of strategy.

I just think of the other submission specialists like Bret and Flair and Benoit and all of their movesets did a lot more to wear down the opponent, including "lesser" submissions and more focused attack. Bryan kicks dudes in the shins and in the head. It doesnt feel like it sets up the LeBell Lock really, which hampers the psychology with his matches. Why not just go for the LeBell lock at every opportunity if youre not going to set it up really.

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A good counter example to this is ADR. His moveset is almost definitively about working the arms and hes a better wrestler to watch for it.

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Are we really b****ing about Dragon?

Seriously, you people deserve Cena/Big Show main events.

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From: edwardsdv | #168
I just think of the other submission specialists like Bret and Flair and Benoit and all of their movesets did a lot more to wear down the opponent, including "lesser" submissions and more focused attack. Bryan kicks dudes in the shins and in the head. It doesnt feel like it sets up the LeBell Lock really, which hampers the psychology with his matches. Why not just go for the LeBell lock at every opportunity if youre not going to set it up really.

Kicking someone in the head is a good setup for ANY submission. The less coherent you are, the harder time you'll have countering.

Kicking the shins is something small guys like Bryan and Rey have to do to expand upon their speed advantage, which is a large part in how they hang with bigger guys.

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From: TheRock1525 | #170

Are we really b****ing about Dragon?

Seriously, you people deserve Cena/Big Show main events.

Id rather have that than Bryan/Punk to be honest.

And I actually like punk.

From: Jakyl25 | #171

From: edwardsdv | #168
I just think of the other submission specialists like Bret and Flair and Benoit and all of their movesets did a lot more to wear down the opponent, including "lesser" submissions and more focused attack. Bryan kicks dudes in the shins and in the head. It doesnt feel like it sets up the LeBell Lock really, which hampers the psychology with his matches. Why not just go for the LeBell lock at every opportunity if youre not going to set it up really.

Kicking someone in the head is a good setup for ANY submission. The less coherent you are, the harder time you'll have countering.

Kicking the shins is something small guys like Bryan and Rey have to do to expand upon their speed advantage, which is a large part in how they hang with bigger guys.

Eh. Youre not wrong but it just makes me feel like hes a Steve Blackman who ends the match with a submission which just feels wrong.

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Id rather have that than Bryan/Punk to be honest.

And I actually like punk.

This is worse than any post I've ever seen on Board 8.

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At LEAST tell me you liked Bryan vs. Sheamus where Bryan spent the whole match working Sheamus's shoulder and got a submission fall out of it.

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From: Jakyl25 | #174

At LEAST tell me you liked Bryan vs. Sheamus where Bryan spent the whole match working Sheamus's shoulder and got a submission fall out of it.

Yes I did enjoy that match, but its not Bryans usual fare.

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There are myriad things that make Bryan a far superior wrestler to Steve Blackman that have nothing to do with moveset. <_<

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IT'S PARTY TIME!

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Literally taking that seriously.

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Come on guys, he DOES have a point. A very large percentage of DB's moveset has nothing to do with setting up the labell lock. We can love Dragon in general and still admit this flaw.

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I don't disagree, but I'm arguing that it's not inherently a flaw.

Every move still has a purpose, even if that purpose isn't setting up the Yes Lock (who did Gene LeBell ever beat!?!)

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Taking out the legs to make it harder to get to the ropes is definitely a way to set up a submission hold, especially as a smaller guy who has less weight to be pulled.

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From: SmartMuffin | #180

Come on guys, he DOES have a point. A very large percentage of DB's moveset has nothing to do with setting up the labell lock. We can love Dragon in general and still admit this flaw.

To an extent it even makes sense. He has historically not relied on that thing in the indies right? I think Im just bothered by it because its so fixable for someone with a deep moveset like him.

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It serves the same purpose as Flair using 10,000 chops to the chest a match. You're too beaten up in general to counter the Figure Four

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From: edwardsdv | #172

Id rather have that than Bryan/Punk to be honest.

wait

what

I know you're a heel in these topics, but what!?

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May all you people complaining about Bryan be subject to a year of nothing but Cena "I Quit" main events.

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Although what Flair usually did was 10,000 chops until you fall down and stop getting up, *then* beat on your legs some, *then* Figure Four. But same basic idea

Also, Bryan is usually working 5 minute WWE matches, so it's not like he usually has time to tell a big story

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I've always just seen it as the YES! Lock being so devastating that he doesn't need to worry about working the arm too much beforehand, and can worry about working the head, legs, and (to a certain extent) body to get rid of any size advantage and slow down and disorient his opponent so that eventually they leave themselves open for the move.

Because I mean the YES! Lock looks devastating. I can totally buy that it doesn't need much setting up. And he does like to bust out a few other arm submissions over the course of the match.

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You forgot the figure four failing and then him winning with a roll up anyway part about Flair Woo.

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Whatever...

but man, I understand not liking the wwe product or whatever and complaining about it

but preferring Cena/Show to Bryan/Punk just blows my mind so much! like brainsplosion

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Hell, working the legs makes sense because the best time to do it is as a counter, and that usually will involve bringing down an opponent from a vertical base to the mat.

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edwardsdv posted...

Id rather have that than Bryan/Punk to be honest.

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Big Show/Cena feels bigger and more interesting.

Punk/Bryan is just kinda whatever. It has taken a month of AJ to make the match even a little interesting.

What RL5 says makes some sense, but I guess what im getting from all of you is that his style can setup ANY submission. If he actually used a variety of finisher submissions thatd make sense, but since hes a WWE style guy it makes the general lack of working the shoulder just kind of perplexing. Especially since the matches where he has done it have been better.

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What's interesting about Big Show/Cena in yet another feud where John Cena beats the man who HE CANNOT POSSIBLY DEFEAT?

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From: WarThaNemesis2 | #194

What's interesting about Big Show/Cena in yet another feud where John Cena beats the man who HE CANNOT POSSIBLY DEFEAT?

Because I like stories like that. Its WWE style wrestling. If you want something other than that I'd suggest watching other wrestling.

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THERE IS NO WAY HE CAN LOCK IN THE STFU

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John Cena is like 20-0 against people he cannot possibly beat!

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edwardsdv posted...

From: WarThaNemesis2 | #194

What's interesting about Big Show/Cena in yet another feud where John Cena beats the man who HE CANNOT POSSIBLY DEFEAT?

Because I like stories like that. Its WWE style wrestling. If you want something other than that I'd suggest watching other wrestling.

You like the same match happening again and again and again between the exact same two people where the same guy always wins and yet is considered the underdog every time?

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As I was noting earlier in the topic, Cena was getting his ass kicked in that battle royal, until Tensai foolishly got two other guys to gang up on him, then Cena killed all of them. Putting the odds against Cena is like his Macho Man Reviving Elbow

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From: edwardsdv | #195

From: WarThaNemesis2 | #194

What's interesting about Big Show/Cena in yet another feud where John Cena beats the man who HE CANNOT POSSIBLY DEFEAT?

Because I like stories like that. Its WWE style wrestling. If you want something other than that I'd suggest watching other wrestling.

WWE has been working at least two different styles for a while now depending on who's involved.

Why can't we just all be happy?

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