yeah uh, with all the stuff they're ADDING i'd say not only should you keep the titles separate, but for the love of god give us not one, but two third tier belts. let one be heavily used on Superstars/NXT and occasionally poppin' up on SD or Raw, let the other be used for whatever they do on their network. ECW honestly had the right idea by having its own belt; the thing fell square in between the midcard titles and the main event ones, closer to mid but just a bit higher. that was a good idea. elevating the 2nd tier belts to that level isn't hard in the hands of guys like Cody or Christian, but Santino? eh.... i get that they're pushing him, sorta. but i also get it's just... not really a belt that even matters right now.
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IC: good. was bad a couple reigns ago, but is fine now. US: bad. they did good when they had Ziggler then Ryder with it even, hell, Swagger wasn't too bad, but then they just buried the guy. now it's 'meh.' WWE: good. WHC: good.
and you know better than any of us that NXT and Superstars are independent of the rest of the program 9/10 times! very ECW like in that regard, and that belt didn't get bad treatment.
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"Maybe it's a tentacle, molesting the planet itself. - Aschen Brodel.
tensai can't get the briefcase because he's no longer a LORD.
also i had a dream a couple nights ago. Sakamoto had to get a replacement due to injuries so he called in a new guy to support Tensai. lights go out. no sound.
then you hear a familiar sound... back and forth... One two, you hear the clock ticking...
was a badass reveal in my dream for him to come out, pyro and all to "I'm comin'!"
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"Maybe it's a tentacle, molesting the planet itself. - Aschen Brodel.
Also, I don't really hate Santino or anything, but putting the US Title on him really doesn't work if they can't build a decent feud around it. I mean, as much as I hate the Big Show, at least his rivalry with Cody Rhodes built up rather nicely (though the result sucked).
Right now, I'm thinking "How can they build a US title feud with Santino" and I'm not sure they can. Although, I know who might be able to build something up: Damien Sandow.
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I had a dream that me and Sid were organizing this big event revolving around Brock Lesnar returning to MMA, except it looked like some kind of local house show and we were sitting up in a Statler and Waldorf booth watching. Lots of people turned up, it was exciting...and then Brock got knocked out in three seconds. Sid shrugged and went "Let's go get something to eat"
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that's basically it. they don't have anyone they can build a feud with him. it's the pro and con of a comedy character, but unfortunately he's not a comedy character that can get serious at times. his title defenses have been pretty weak, his competition has been either bad or there's some kind of interference which happens that allows him to win over a guy considered better than him.
Sandow getting the belt off Santino would work out, but you don't want the guy to job out to Santino either. not in a feud, that's pretty bad. Sandow taking the belt off Santino and getting it over to Ryder afterwards would make sense. helps everyone involved, that.
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"Maybe it's a tentacle, molesting the planet itself. - Aschen Brodel.
Cena: Despite holding no titles, he is being treated as the top star and the actual champion in terms of booking. And his credibility is pretty high. Yes "Being John Cena" is literally the highest title WWE currently has.
WWE: Awful. Buried the title and its holder while having a damn longreign. That takes talentedly bad booking.
WHC: Got pretty bad there for awhile after Henry relinquished the title, but Sheamus has brought some stability and credibility to the thing, but lets not kid ourselves, its basically 90s IC title level.
IC: Its merely ok. Christian is keeping the title warm until they need it for something. For all of Codys talking of "pulling an Ultimate Warrior" its been steadily thirdtier for awhile.
US: Well....if we treat it like the TV title its not so bad. Disco Inferno and other comedy tier characters have held it that way. Pity for not long ago Ziggler had been using it like an uppermidcard title.
Tag Titles: Jobber titles in the worst way. We're in the middle of attempted resurrection #2 and the PrimeTime Players might be the right vehicle to elevate the titles, but they've been feuding with one team while having a title shot with another. It'll take good booking to make it work and lmao WWE devoting thought to their tag division.
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that's basically it. they don't have anyone they can build a feud with him. it's the pro and con of a comedy character, but unfortunately he's not a comedy character that can get serious at times. his title defenses have been pretty weak, his competition has been either bad or there's some kind of interference which happens that allows him to win over a guy considered better than him.
Sandow getting the belt off Santino would work out, but you don't want the guy to job out to Santino either. not in a feud, that's pretty bad. Sandow taking the belt off Santino and getting it over to Ryder afterwards would make sense. helps everyone involved, that.
If I were booking smackdown I'd actually use Sandow to get the belt off of Christian and then make Ryder chasing him down a major feud. Theres a lot of good talking to that feud and being a midcard feud means the matches can be short and hide Ryders considerable in-ring flaws.
-- The Kinda Real Deal MILLIONS OF POSTS, MILLIONS OF POSTS The Primetime Posting Hours Players MILLIONS OF POSTS
I dont WANT to be. It's just their booking sucks right now. Wheres my big summer angles?
I like Show/Cena, as I appreciate that thats actually the best they can do right now while playing it safe and waiting for their injuries and part timers to align. It shouldnt be that way, but Im not gonna take it out on those two who actually show up every week.
But everything else is just so aggravating. Where are my other faces and heels. I see douchebags we're supposed to cheer and douchebags we're supposed to boo. As much as I love yelling at XIII for being disruptive to the product for cheering the heels, the WWE isnt giving me much backing because they dont make the heels be bad guys much unless theyre feuding with Cena.
Tensai and Sandow, despite me being not particularly high on either, are the only heels really worth booing in the undercard.
Among the faces, you have Ryder and Santino and that just sickens me, but I can admit they're at least face characters and understand WHY they are.
It doesn't work right now period. We watch out of habit and hope that next weeks the week they turn the corner and start the next big angle that jams them out of the yearly post-mania funk and its just... not happening.
Wow this went longer than I hoped but I just am so frustrated with WWE right now.
-- The Kinda Real Deal MILLIONS OF POSTS, MILLIONS OF POSTS The Primetime Posting Hours Players MILLIONS OF POSTS
they're working on their 'big summer angle.' thing is you hate one of the guys involved to a point where you act as if anything he touches is poison even when it objectively is fine. you'll never be won over on that because of your blind hatred.
and for a "warm body" he'll do fine holding that belt as a guy who's experienced and fights in the upper midcard to low main event level. as opposed to either santino or sandow. hell, or ryder. that makes no sense, at all, to do.
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"Maybe it's a tentacle, molesting the planet itself. - Aschen Brodel.
they're working on their 'big summer angle.' thing is you hate one of the guys involved to a point where you act as if anything he touches is poison even when it objectively is fine. you'll never be won over on that because of your blind hatred.
and for a "warm body" he'll do fine holding that belt as a guy who's experienced and fights in the upper midcard to low main event level. as opposed to either santino or sandow. hell, or ryder. that makes no sense, at all, to do.
If AJ is the "big summer angle" then this summer is bust plain and simple. It doesnt matter. Because the title doesnt matter. The only thing in this company that matters right now is Cena and Big Show in the Money in the Bank match, with Jericho and Kane playing supporting roles.
Sure for everyone at their current levels that may betrue. What youre missing is a feud betweenthose two can MAKE both. I know Ryder is already made but without a continuing feud he'll waste to nothing. Sandow is the vehicle for this, we saw it on tuesday. They can feud over nothing sure, but titles make things more interesting. It can elevate both and the title with them or you can let Christian Kofi the title for a while.
-- The Kinda Real Deal MILLIONS OF POSTS, MILLIONS OF POSTS The Primetime Posting Hours Players MILLIONS OF POSTS
...comparing christian to kofi and somehow not getting that the AJ angle literally can't work without the belt being the centerpiece says you're drinking something alright. "elevate the title with the new midcard guy and a guy who's floating in the middle somewhere by taking the belt off the guy who's high midcard/low main event."
i see.
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"Maybe it's a tentacle, molesting the planet itself. - Aschen Brodel.
...comparing christian to kofi and somehow not getting that the AJ angle literally can't work without the belt being the centerpiece says you're drinking something alright.
Whether the belt is necessary for the AJ angle to work is beside the point. The POINT is that having your title belt be used for the purpose of helping a diva get over (when that particular diva isn't even especially active in the divas division) is an insane thing to do.
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What diva division? I mean that honestly, Kelly Kelly is gone, the Bellas are gone, Natalya is never on TV, Beth is never on TV, they...won't put Kharma on TV for some unfathomable reason. Your division is now AJ vs Vickie
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....why would you get the belt off Christian using Sandow. that makes no sense at all. not for either guy OR the belt.
because. SD has TWO legitimately compelling characters, Sandow and Ryder. Why not let them feud over the title.
Christians just a warm body anyway.
Sandow is not really popular enough(or hated enough) to justify your hypothetical though. It could work if it's some sort of triple threat angle though, with Sandow, Ryder and Christian all fighting for the belt for a ppv or two.
Well, given that the main event was used to bury Zack Ryder and get Eve over earlier this year, I'd say using the WWE Title to get AJ over while burying nobody is a step up!
Why can't it? This could just as easily be a blood feud between Punk and Bryan and play out NEARLY IDENTICALLY. This isnt a woman typical angle where the woman is essentially the title, sure, but that doesn't mean it couldnt possibly work without it. Plus nothing about it needs to be the WWE title, and really they could run the same angle with the US title for the amount of weight the actual WWE title has at this point within the feud or really in general. Theyre bad at booking the titles right now, Jakyl is right about that.
Does anyone care about the IC title for any reason other than Christian currently has it?
Its the belt christian currently holds but it has no inherent value unless he does something with it. Except I cant think of anything FOR him to do with it, because no one he can feud over it with needs the belt either. It's a waste and it actually doesnt do anything for the title. Just keeps it warm until they have a plan.
-- The Kinda Real Deal MILLIONS OF POSTS, MILLIONS OF POSTS The Primetime Posting Hours Players MILLIONS OF POSTS
What diva division? I mean that honestly, Kelly Kelly is gone, the Bellas are gone, Natalya is never on TV, Beth is never on TV, they...won't put Kharma on TV for some unfathomable reason. Your division is now AJ vs Vickie
Layla/Beth is happening every once in awhile. I feel like this whole AJ thing might be a somewhat reasonable thing to do if you plan on having her like, dominate the divas division (sucky as it is) for the rest of time, but they clearly aren't doing that. I can't even fathom what the endgame on all this might be, and I'm pretty sure they don't know either.
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....why would you get the belt off Christian using Sandow. that makes no sense at all. not for either guy OR the belt.
because. SD has TWO legitimately compelling characters, Sandow and Ryder. Why not let them feud over the title.
Christians just a warm body anyway.
Sandow is not really popular enough(or hated enough) to justify your hypothetical though. It could work if it's some sort of triple threat angle though, with Sandow, Ryder and Christian all fighting for the belt for a ppv or two.
I agree, but I also think that for Sandows gimmick to work moving forward he needs to accomplish something. Hes beaten some lower midcarders, but he needs a real feather in his cap eventually. Id put the belt on Ryder and have Sandow chase it but Ryder is better in pursuit.
-- The Kinda Real Deal MILLIONS OF POSTS, MILLIONS OF POSTS The Primetime Posting Hours Players MILLIONS OF POSTS
...comparing christian to kofi and somehow not getting that the AJ angle literally can't work without the belt being the centerpiece says you're drinking something alright.
Whether the belt is necessary for the AJ angle to work is beside the point. The POINT is that having your title belt be used for the purpose of helping a diva get over (when that particular diva isn't even especially active in the divas division) is an insane thing to do.
This is how you can tell the WWE title doesnt matter to anyone, and especially the bookers right now. If the title were anything but a big prop they wouldnt do this.
-- The Kinda Real Deal MILLIONS OF POSTS, MILLIONS OF POSTS The Primetime Posting Hours Players MILLIONS OF POSTS
then you, again, go put Sandow with the US title. have him feud with a guy more appropiate to his level in the booking to try to make that belt not suck.
and yes, it could easily be a blood feud between Punk and Dragon and play out almost the same. in fact, that was the point shown on Raw, where AJ tried to make herself the centerpiece and failed MISERABLY at it until she went all suicidal on it. she wants to be in the middle, she wants the attention, but neither of those men are willing to give it to her for her irregular antics because
AJ needs the title for her angle to work. the angle does not need AJ to work. so complaining about AJ being in the title scene there doesn't make much sense as she's done very little to affect it thus far but has worked to make it more personal between the competitors. though she's the clear personal focus, the title is the clear story focus because nothing she's doing would work without it. that's a good thing - she's effectively a catalyst of storytelling. we don't know where this story is going because it's July. they've done a fantastic job building up the relationship issue, her mental breakdown, and seem to be building it to a heel turn where she wants to continue to be in the middle of it all. now she'll get directly involved in the title and we don't know how, or in what way, it'll play out.
effectively, they made a diva actually relevant and matter for wrestling at the same time as advancing a story involving the main belt. that's a good thing.
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If they play this right, AJ could be this generations Miss Elizabeth.
Yeah, I said it.
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It appears clear that no matter the result AJ is the one going over in the title bout at the expense of the other two. That makes 0 sense in a feud for your biggest title. If you want to treat the WWE title like a midcard title and admit thats what it currently is, cool we're on the same level.
You think its a swell midcard feud while I see it for the crappy ME feud it is.
Edit: as for Sandow, you just percieve a major difference of some kind between the two "midcard" titles where one really doesnt exist.
For an example analogous, does having the tag titles on Kofi and R Truth REALLY elevate them? I mean Truth and Kofi are the kinda guys who with the right push could challenge for the WWE or more realistically WHC titles and be credible but they do next to nothing for those tag titles because they dont really do much as champs or even as a team really. Christian as IC champ isnt THAT much different.
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I legitimately want AJ pinning Punk and Bryan ala Austin with Undertaker/Kane.
Because as completely off the wall as AJ becoming WWE Champion would be, at this point it's the most logical result, and thus would give me the most hope that there's actual long-term planning in the booking.
Explain to me again the value that Elizabeth inherently had?
They debuted someone as the beautiful manager of an already popular star and used her as a chess piece in a Greek Tragedy style plot. The story was about her, but it was never really. The focus was on Savage and for about a year the belt.
Here the story is about her, the focus is on her, and the story actually hinges on her actions and decisions. The only people who DONT see it that way are Bryan and Punk, who are no Hogan and Savage.
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I legitimately want AJ pinning Punk and Bryan ala Austin with Undertaker/Kane.
Because as completely off the wall as AJ becoming WWE Champion would be, at this point it's the most logical result, and thus would give me the most hope that there's actual long-term planning in the booking.
You know.... youre not wrong. Itd be terrible. But maybe itd be better than what we're currently getting as a result.
Kinda like Angle retaining over Roode with his feet on the ropes last year at BfG.
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I legitimately want AJ pinning Punk and Bryan ala Austin with Undertaker/Kane.
Because as completely off the wall as AJ becoming WWE Champion would be, at this point it's the most logical result, and thus would give me the most hope that there's actual long-term planning in the booking.
You know.... youre not wrong. Itd be terrible. But maybe itd be better than what we're currently getting as a result.
Kinda like Angle retaining over Roode with his feet on the ropes last year at BfG.
No, Angle retaining over Roode wasn't logical, especially not the 'have Storm squash Angle' that followed. It turned out great despite TNA's best efforts not to.
AJ wants to be what Punk/Bryan love most. Right now they covet the WWE Title most. So to be what they covet most, AJ must become one with the WWE Title. It's completely logical.
quoting muffin and going "this is why the title doesn't matter anymore!" isn't exactly helpful to your cause either! again, it's one thing to dislike the angle. that's fine to do, you disagree with the idea of the main belt being about more than the belt is your problem there, which is a fair viewpoint to have.
but here, the main belt IS the centerpiece of the angle. without it, the AJ bits can't work. like, basic rundown:
- Dragon lost the belt due to AJ. if it was "Dragon lost a match due to her" it wouldn't be a big deal. instead, he lost it in a big way and dumped her in the process - because he lost the belt. explicitly so for that reason. in the main match to settle it between those two men, she was not involved. it was straight, clean, and got both men over well. good result and good use of AJ as a result, she was used to stretch the story and protect both wrestlers.
- when Dragon goes to Raw she magically joins Raw too. yet when Dragon went to Raw he immediately went for the belt. AJ's involvements happen when? ...in establishing a relationship with Punk, her fallout with Dragon, and some character development for herself. at this point it seems to be about her but she's not involved... yet. Dragon/Punk went by pretty cleanly but had a murky finish to play with.
- then they add Kane in, increase the amount that AJ counts for all 3 men, and now she starts getting involved in things regarding the belt. Kane can't deal with her emotionally and gets distracted causing him to lose - twice! - before he bails. he bails on her and in the process, also leaves the title scene. you have more development by not just her but also the individuals in the process, Kane isn't all about hate and seems to basically get ribbed on with his female storylines, dragon seems to be pulling a Jericho-esqued "I was right!" theme for himself, punk just... well, is punk. which is a hell of a lot more than what we had before. it allows all 3 men involved with the belt show off some of their personality and traits in a way that they can't do with each other. it also allows for her character to continue to develop. as for her direct involvement with the actual title? uh, a really nasty bump -> distraction on the guy who's clearly filler (and was great at it) -> GTS. protects everyone but still feels 'clean.'
and then we get to now. she's directly in charge and seems to be playing both. neither actually cares for her more than the belt, unlike Kane did, and have no objections with being open about it (well, had before special guest ref'd). their focus: title. hers: herself. and she's trying to force herself over it, yet neither actually wants to.
which is, again, progress. story advances. characters advance. but the belt is the middle of everything she's done. she's effectively been a fantastic tool to protect the wrestlers and keep things going. and Miss Elizabeth's been brought up before when it comes to her because rarely, rarely do we have a female that actually intrigues such a vast amount of people like what they got going. that's a good thing, it keeps people talking and watching.
now, you dislike the belt isn't solely the angle. again, fine. but the belt is the main angle. she's riding its coattails, both in a booking sense and in kayfabe right now.
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"Maybe it's a tentacle, molesting the planet itself. - Aschen Brodel.
and wait what. Here the story is about her, the focus is on her, and the story actually hinges on her actions and decisions. The only people who DONT see it that way are Bryan and Punk, who are no Hogan and Savage.
this is wrong in like, every statement. the story is about the belts for the two or three men involved. she forces herself into it, in kayfabe. the focus is on the belts. she forces herself into it, in kayfabe. now with this match she is, for the first time in this entire storyline, going to be directly involved with it. not blamed for it, not a quick bump, but direct involvement with the match. and... they've made it very, very clear that both men know her actions will determine the champ. we literally had dragon pull a rose out of a conviniently placed flower jar to do this!
like, that's been the entire evolution of this storyline. now that she's directly involved, in something that was actually voted on by over 3/4 of people on wwe's main site, you have something that A) people WANT, B) allows them to continue the storyline, and C) still keep the focus on the belt.
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"Maybe it's a tentacle, molesting the planet itself. - Aschen Brodel.
also so you know: the most logical progression here very, VERY likely relates to the winner of MITB. i don't think it's a coincidence that we just happen to have her involved in a match directly on the same night that we just happen to get another briefcase. there's gotta be something that happens there for her character to continue being logical. even if it's another same night cash-in to ruin her dastardly plans.
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You don't understand, with Sandow he's the perfect foil to Santino's "comedy" as well as a good way to establish Sandow as championship material.
Basically, you build up Sandow's character some more, you get the title off a relatively deadend character, and you ultimately end up with a better product.
-- TheRock ~ Slow dramatic zoom-pan. Doesn't phase the hooded man. "You have issues." - MWC. Pot. Kettle.
Its funny that you ran through the whole lineage here when...the only reason ANYONE cares about cares about this angle is AJ.
I could count the non-smarks who were intrigued by Punk/Bryan on my hands.
AJ MADE this angle, but its also putting her over more than anyone.
Its "about" the title, but its about AJ more because thats where the drama is (much like the Jericho feud where the drama was on Punks drinking and not the title). Just because its not in kayfabe doesnt mean a thing, its simply how things are.
And dont diss smartmuffin. He knows his wrestling, hes just need drinking the WWE kool-aid. There are like 5 of us total in this topic so I appreciate him.
-- The Kinda Real Deal MILLIONS OF POSTS, MILLIONS OF POSTS The Primetime Posting Hours Players MILLIONS OF POSTS
You don't understand, with Sandow he's the perfect foil to Santino's "comedy" as well as a good way to establish Sandow as championship material.
Basically, you build up Sandow's character some more, you get the title off a relatively deadend character, and you ultimately end up with a better product.
I dont disagree, I just dont see Sandow on Monday Nights without getting more established. Its a catch 22.
I mean they could do it all on SD, but typically the US title is the ONE PLACE brand separation exists.
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Jakyl, how many times would you say Jericho is a tag team champion in WWE? This has bothered me for a couple years, because WWE recognizes him as holding seven tag team titles, but the thing is two of those seven were the World Tag Team Championships while they were unified with the WWE Tag Team Championships. I'm not sure whether to count it as five or seven myself, so I was curious what our resident title expert has to say.
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Its funny that you ran through the whole lineage here when...the only reason ANYONE cares about cares about this angle is AJ.
And, when you get down to it, the biggest problem with the world title scene is that it is being built around the whims of AJ. There is no focus or attention really being given to the title or the men competing for it.
Its funny that you ran through the whole lineage here when...the only reason ANYONE cares about cares about this angle is AJ.
And, when you get down to it, the biggest problem with the world title scene is that it is being built around the whims of AJ. There is no focus or attention really being given to the title or the men competing for it.
Exactly. This kind of angle would be just fine between two upper-midcard guys who need help getting over. Like, this deal would be fine for a Dolph/Christian feud or something like that. But not only do Punk and Dragon NOT need this at all, but we're talking about your big, prestigious title here...
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It's actually a storyline beyond "we want title match".
I much prefer this to ADR/Miz/Punk at TLC, for instance, which was literally just "Punk is in trouble because these two guys hate him! And they want the title!" It's also a better build than ADR/Punk at SvS and Punk/Bryan at OtL as well. The Jericho feud was better than this I think but, y'know, it's Chris Jericho.
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To expand on that, the WWE title was the centrepiece of the TLC build but I don't think it did a better job of putting over the title's importance.
And Wang's right; Bryan and Punk hugely dislike each other and value the WWE title above almost anything. When they kept fighting each other while ignoring AJ last week, only stopping because she was going to do something crazy, that was a perfect idea. They both want to prove they're better than the other (something that is very much up in the air until Punk beats Bryan decisively, something he has not yet done even in those 3 Champion vs. Champion matches they had and OtL), they both want to be the "best in the world" (having the WWE title is, in this context, supposed to be indicative of that), and AJ is a spanner in the works. She doesn't have greater importance than the title itself.
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All of you talking about how this is too much about AJ are being silly.
You are literally complaining that the feud is multi-layered. They both clearly want the title, and that's obviously why they are fighting each other at all, but it has slowly developed a personal layer due to Dragon being a dick and AJ being crazy.
Even the fabled Austin vs Rock feud heading into Wrestlemania 17 was multi-layered. It was first and foremost about the belt, but there was personal hostility between the two stemming from Vince McMahon's dicking around with Debra and stuff like that.
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since mines is Devil may cry i probley would it up to the spiderboss and get killed off after that then ill yell LIGHT - ertyu on how far he'd make it in DMC