Board 8 > New Smash Bros won't feature many new characters. Focus on improving gameplay

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Sakurai just drew Marth in a picture, he already has him in mind.

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Hey, let's just ignore SSB4.

Let's make a GOOD Castlevania fighting game.

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From: Shoenin_Kakashi | #146

No one uses Zelda because she's too slow. The whole thing with Shiek is that Zelda is supposed to be the "Gen" of the game, but Sakurai is being dumb and adds to much time in between transforming.

That's what I'm saying. Take the B-moveset Zelda has and give it to Krystal (minus the transforming), since it barely sees action as Zelda's moveset, and then give her an A moveset of staff stuff, plus some agility, and you've got a strong new character.

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From: Shoenin_Kakashi | Posted: 7/2/2012 11:35:54 PM | #150

Simon is a great CV rep.

Motherf***er moonwalks, up stairs even. Thats completely invalidates any argument against him. He'll have his own phsyics glitch, The Moonwalk

but there's billions of wayyyy better CV protagonists~

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From: shadosneko | #152

Hey, let's just ignore SSB4.

Let's make a GOOD Castlevania fighting game.

The 1st thing to do, is NOT hire the guy from death note!

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Waluigi should be in the next one.

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For all the people screaming "hypocrite": relax. Those of us who are skeptical about this new direction have every right to be given how disappointing Brawl was. It's not just the slow, campy mechanics or utter lack of balance; even the single player elements were botched. Items weren't nearly as fun. Pokeballs were bland. Event mode wasn't nearly as interesting. No unique target tests, and a more limited selection of single-player modes. The one "improvement" was the SSE, an embarrassing display of mismanaged priorities that was a black hole of development time and resources.

If by "focusing on improving gameplay" Sakurai means having a 45-50 character roster with no clones, more varied single player options, more stages, and more / better items, then I'd be thrilled. If, instead, he means another overlong adventure mode, more tired gimmicks, and more needless collectibles, then that's another matter altogether. Based on his track record, guess which is more likely?

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Oh man, the Pokeballs. Holy crap, they were hot garbage in Brawl. Items as a whole were, honestly.

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#1 female addition is Lyn

pleaaaaaaase

I'm almost certain that the Fire Emblem roster for SSB4 will be Marth / Lyn / Krom. Marth because he's the original, Krom because he's the token "new lord" (and his moveset could mirror Ike's), and Lyn because she's the unofficial representative of the first internationally released FE title. That's significant.

Plus, we already know that Lyn was one of the characters originally planned to be in Brawl that was scratched, so I doubt she'll be cut again.

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Get rid of Munchlax and Gardevoir (or at least how god damn common they were) and the pokeballs would be fine in brawl imo

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From: LOLGRIZZ | #159

If by "focusing on improving gameplay" Sakurai means having a 45-50 character roster with no clones, more varied single player options, more stages, and more / better items, then I'd be thrilled. If, instead, he means another overlong adventure mode, more tired gimmicks, and more needless collectibles, then that's another matter altogether. Based on his track record, guess which is more likely?

This is what worries me.

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Better idea: give us a Pokeball Switch a la Item Switch. If I want Mew coming out of every Pokeball, let me have that option, Sakurai.

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I think Japanland likes Ike to much to have him go without saying something about it

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From: LOLGRIZZ | #161

Lyn because she's the unofficial representative of the first internationally released FE title.

Wouldn't that be Eliwood?

Granted, I actually WOULD rather have Lyn in it than him, but still.

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From: LOLGRIZZ | #161

Lyn because she's the unofficial representative of the first internationally released FE title.

Wouldn't that be Eliwood?

Granted, I actually WOULD rather have Lyn in it than him, but still.

Nah. Eliwood is technically the "main" character of the game (although there are three lords who all play a pretty much equal role), but Lyn is understood to be the game's representative. As evidence for this, the FE7 DLC for Awakening was recently unveiled, and guess who? Lyn.

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Id Rather have Hector tbh

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From: LOLGRIZZ | #159

For all the people screaming "hypocrite": relax. Those of us who are skeptical about this new direction have every right to be given how disappointing Brawl was. It's not just the slow, campy mechanics or utter lack of balance; even the single player elements were botched. Items weren't nearly as fun. Pokeballs were bland. Event mode wasn't nearly as interesting. No unique target tests, and a more limited selection of single-player modes. The one "improvement" was the SSE, an embarrassing display of mismanaged priorities that was a black hole of development time and resources.

If by "focusing on improving gameplay" Sakurai means having a 45-50 character roster with no clones, more varied single player options, more stages, and more / better items, then I'd be thrilled. If, instead, he means another overlong adventure mode, more tired gimmicks, and more needless collectibles, then that's another matter altogether. Based on his track record, guess which is more likely?

The former, minus 50 characters. Without him, KI:U doesn't exist, neither does Kirby, nor Melee, nor...I could go on and on. Evidence is not in your favor, it's against it.

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From: Shoenin_Kakashi | Posted: 7/3/2012 12:03:26 AM | #168

Id Rather have Hector tbh

give him breasts and we'll talk

as explained earlier, smash is in DESPERATE need for more females

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Given his track record? The only "mis-step" in his career you could argue is Brawl. ALl of his other work is pretty great. Kid Icarus: Uprising was amazing.

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Was Sakurai directing KI:U? Because KI:U is absolutely fantastic.

I'm happy with the news, personally, but I'm not expecting great things. Still, I played Brawl regularly for months, so I'm looking forward to this.

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I think have the same amount of characters as Brawl, but get rid of clones and count them as "Costumes"

5 more characters max imo

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From: Paratroopa1 | #172

Was Sakurai directing KI:U? Because KI:U is absolutely fantastic.

Yep, it's Sakurai's brainchild and he lead development for it.

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From: Shoenin_Kakashi | #146

No one uses Zelda because she's too slow. The whole thing with Shiek is that Zelda is supposed to be the "Gen" of the game, but Sakurai is being dumb and adds to much time in between transforming.

That's what I'm saying. Take the B-moveset Zelda has and give it to Krystal (minus the transforming), since it barely sees action as Zelda's moveset, and then give her an A moveset of staff stuff, plus some agility, and you've got a strong new character.
you only want that because you get off to krystal and not zelda

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good news to me - smash has too many characters as is, and brawl's mechanics were awful. that said, i doubt the developers' ability to make the needed improvements (except possibly by accident)

I don't know how anybody can doubt Sakurai's "ability"

he might've made bad choices with Brawl, but he's probably the most talented guy working at Nintendo

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From: LOLGRIZZ | #159

For all the people screaming "hypocrite": relax. Those of us who are skeptical about this new direction have every right to be given how disappointing Brawl was. It's not just the slow, campy mechanics or utter lack of balance; even the single player elements were botched. Items weren't nearly as fun. Pokeballs were bland. Event mode wasn't nearly as interesting. No unique target tests, and a more limited selection of single-player modes. The one "improvement" was the SSE, an embarrassing display of mismanaged priorities that was a black hole of development time and resources.

If by "focusing on improving gameplay" Sakurai means having a 45-50 character roster with no clones, more varied single player options, more stages, and more / better items, then I'd be thrilled. If, instead, he means another overlong adventure mode, more tired gimmicks, and more needless collectibles, then that's another matter altogether. Based on his track record, guess which is more likely?

The former, minus 50 characters. Without him, KI:U doesn't exist, neither does Kirby, nor Melee, nor...I could go on and on. Evidence is not in your favor, it's against it.

Kirby Super Star is a top-ten game ever in my books, so I'm hardly anti-Sakurai. But his ability to direct a good fighting game has hardly been proven. Melee was a great game (although the quality of its mechanics were accidental). Brawl was a colossal disappointment. Small sample size to work with, but given the direction Brawl took, it's hardly unfair to remain skeptical.

And seriously, LOL @ using KI:U as evidence that Sakurai will make another good fighting game.

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Here's an analogy: Sakamoto has directed many quality Metroid titles. His most recent, Other M, was terrible. Assuming he announces a new Metroid game called "Other M 2," would you use Other M or Super Metroid as a way to predict how good the game would be?

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From: LOLGRIZZ | #181

Here's an analogy: Sakamoto has directed many quality Metroid titles. His most recent, Other M, was terrible. Assuming he announces a new Metroid game called "Other M 2," would you use Other M or Super Metroid as a way to predict how good the game would be?

Depends how desperate I am to convince myself that the Wii U will be a relevant console

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KanzarisKelshen posted...

From: LOLGRIZZ | #159

For all the people screaming "hypocrite": relax. Those of us who are skeptical about this new direction have every right to be given how disappointing Brawl was. It's not just the slow, campy mechanics or utter lack of balance; even the single player elements were botched. Items weren't nearly as fun. Pokeballs were bland. Event mode wasn't nearly as interesting. No unique target tests, and a more limited selection of single-player modes. The one "improvement" was the SSE, an embarrassing display of mismanaged priorities that was a black hole of development time and resources.

If by "focusing on improving gameplay" Sakurai means having a 45-50 character roster with no clones, more varied single player options, more stages, and more / better items, then I'd be thrilled. If, instead, he means another overlong adventure mode, more tired gimmicks, and more needless collectibles, then that's another matter altogether. Based on his track record, guess which is more likely?

The former, minus 50 characters. Without him, KI:U doesn't exist, neither does Kirby, nor Melee, nor...I could go on and on. Evidence is not in your favor, it's against it.

Kirby Super Star is a top-ten game ever in my books, so I'm hardly anti-Sakurai. But his ability to direct a good fighting game has hardly been proven. Melee was a great game (although the quality of its mechanics were accidental). Brawl was a colossal disappointment. Small sample size to work with, but given the direction Brawl took, it's hardly unfair to remain skeptical.

And seriously, LOL @ using KI:U as evidence that Sakurai will make another good fighting game.

Who's to say that he hasn't taken a look at customer opinion and is making adjustments based on that?

Fact of the matter is, Brawl very well could be an outlier

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From: LOLGRIZZ | #034

Terrible news. Seriously, how can anyone justify this? Remember, this is Sakurai we're dealing with here, aka the master of mangled priorities. Hope you all enjoy your 40-hour Subspace Emissary 2 campaign!

I'm like the only person who liked the Subspace Emissary, so yes, I will!

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From: LOLGRIZZ | #034

Terrible news. Seriously, how can anyone justify this? Remember, this is Sakurai we're dealing with here, aka the master of mangled priorities. Hope you all enjoy your 40-hour Subspace Emissary 2 campaign!

I'm like the only person who liked the Subspace Emissary, so yes, I will!
I already said my friends and I liked it as well. So there are at least like ten of us.

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LOLGRIZZ posted...

Here's an analogy: Sakamoto has directed many quality Metroid titles. His most recent, Other M, was terrible. Assuming he announces a new Metroid game called "Other M 2," would you use Other M or Super Metroid as a way to predict how good the game would be?

This is a terrible analogy.

For one thing, the new Smash Brothers isn't "Brawl 2". This is more like if Sakamoto was making Metroid <Insert Number>, not Other M 2

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bad news. There are so many good potential additions, and I wouldn't want to see any of the current characters cut either.

New Smash super needs Fawful at least.

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LOLGRIZZ posted...

Here's an analogy: Sakamoto has directed many quality Metroid titles. His most recent, Other M, was terrible. Assuming he announces a new Metroid game called "Other M 2," would you use Other M or Super Metroid as a way to predict how good the game would be?

This is a terrible analogy.

For one thing, the new Smash Brothers isn't "Brawl 2". This is more like if Sakamoto was making Metroid <Insert Number>, not Other M 2

It's an excellent analogy.

1) I can guarantee that this is going to be more like Brawl than like Melee. Just look at Sakurai's statements about Melee after Brawl released: he made clear that he wasn't a big fan of the competitive side of the community and wanted things to feel more "fun" and "accessible" (i.e. casual).

2) Even if you wanted to go "Metroid [#]," the analogy would still hold, so I'm not sure what you're getting at. Unless you think Sakamoto is in any way qualified to direct anything ever again.

As an aside, Sakurai is the worst Smash player in existence:



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From: Erugios | #183

Who's to say that he hasn't taken a look at customer opinion and is making adjustments based on that?

That's not really the Japanese style, but lately the Japanese have definitely started adopting Western development and design practices to pretty great success, so maybe he will do this.

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