Board 8 > ~~GAME OF THRONES~~ Discussion Topic - Sundays at 9PM (Spoilers as they occur)

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I spoiled myself to the books awhile ago just to avoid getting spoiled by accident and I can say that it is a dick move to even do that. Like, spoilers on stuff like this is just pretty sacred. Like the fact you are arguing is ridiculous. Just don't speak anymore. You should have apologized and that should have been the end of it, your ego being so big that you feel the need to defend actions everyone is calling foul on is amazing.

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oh my god, I want to highlight those spoiler tags so much.

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I have managed to aboid spoilers for a year now while browsing the Internet daily.

And then on Board 8 of all places, some douche wants to just ruin things. I've never wanted someone to get banned so badly in my life. Yes I'm over reacting and yes I'm spiteful.

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Yeah I wasn't expecting that. I've spoiled myself by stupidly looking at wiki pages (I do this for so many things and I never learn that it's impossible to just fill in a few details), and I even made the mistake of looking at a topic clearly marked for book 3 spoilers, but those were my fault, so whatever. This was just a dick move.

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Could somebody please explain what I ruined? I mentioned the vague thrust of a popular fan theory that can be gleaned just from watching the show, and revealed zero actual plot details in the process.

Like, seriously people, this is basic logic. A spoiler is the revelation of an upcoming plot detail in a fictional work to somebody who does not know it is coming. However, this is not an upcoming plot detail, because it's not in the plot (as it's a theory with zero direct confirmation) and it's not upcoming (because it's based on things that have ALREADY HAPPENED). Nothing I said can remotely meet the definition of a spoiler.

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Have we discussed it here?

A topic specifically dedicated to people who haven't read the books?

The answer is no. Not even close.

You're a douche, period.

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Have we discussed it here?

Just because people are clueless doesn't suddenly make already-shown things spoilers.

A topic specifically dedicated to people who haven't read the books?

So was the one I linked to. Hell, book readers were literally banned from the entire thread that I linked to, and they still hit upon the theory after barely a page's worth of general theorizing, using the exact same evidence that I mentioned in this topic. I am quite aware that the show and books are a different thing with quite different approaches to the plot, which is why everything I said was grounded solely on stuff that was in the show.

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If someone who has clearly just watched the shows discusses a theory they have, it's easy to dismiss. There isn't enough evidence to suggest that things couldn't work out exactly as they were told to you. But you come in with your knowledge from having read the book; now I can't as easily dismiss the theory as being just sort of possible, because you presumably have further evidence from having read books three through five.

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LordoftheMorons posted...

If someone who has clearly just watched the shows discusses a theory they have, it's easy to dismiss. There isn't enough evidence to suggest that things couldn't work out exactly as they were told to you. But you come in with your knowledge from having read the book; now I can't as easily dismiss the theory as being just sort of possible, because you presumably have further evidence from having read books three through five.

Actually, as it happens, the theory I mentioned is almost entirely grounded in the first book. However, this does not matter, for the following reasons:

1. Even if I've read the books, it's still only a theory. A popular one to be sure, but a theory with absolutely no confirmation. Therefore, you already have completely leave to dismiss the theory because, if you haven't noticed yet, most fan theories tend to be wrong.
2. The show and books are different entities and so it's entirely possible that the theory could prove true in one and not the other, especially as the two have steadily diverged over time.
3. I consider the theory to be entirely supportable using just evidence from the show and have only cited show evidence as a result. For those of you who have read the books and know what this is all about, keep in mind I didn't say anything about a broader theory this all ties into, merely one subset of it: the only subset with significant support in the show.

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What don't you get about how these people want nothing to do with info from the books not yet presented in the show.

They've even expressed their unhappiness with you even implying the theory, so why are you pushing this. It's clear they do not want you to post stuff like this. So can't you accept that you just.... shouldn't post stuff like that.

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you guys realize that SubDiety is clearly trolling right

can we all just put him on ignore and get on with the topic

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This is gonna drive Boko crazy I'm sure, but show watchers should REALLY not look at Eeeeevil Overlord's spoiler text >_>

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What don't you get about how these people want nothing to do with info from the books not yet presented in the show.

Literally everything I've mentioned has been in the show.

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Yeah, there's a reason it's in spoilers! Sorry, I know how enticing that crap can be.

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Sigh. You clearly can't understand any perspective other than your own.


The show watchers know you've read the books. They know you are privy to more information than them. You simply cannot discuss theories with them because since you know more than them and they know it, the things you say practically become fact to them. They have no idea what information supports what you are saying. They can't go "that's dumb, that theory is flawed because of this etc." All they can do is go "augh, there must be something extra supporting this, why did I have to hear this"




IMO everyone should just ignore SubDeity, it's clear he's either just a garbage tier user trying to troll or an absolute idiot who really doesn't belong in these kinds of topics.

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From: CoolCly | #213
This is gonna drive Boko crazy I'm sure, but show watchers should REALLY not look at Eeeeevil Overlord's spoiler text >_>


GAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH.

Give me the non-spoiler version of what he said!

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Basically what Cly said in post 216 with a spoilery example, couldn't stop myself from looking >_>

Luckily it was something I already spoiled for myself.

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Theory or no theory, the point is that, at the absolute least, you're saying "in the first five books worth of stuff we aren't told Jon's mother and there's at least some measure of evidence to suggest Ned isn't his father". Do you not see how that's a spoiler?

Actually, not the case. The latter isn't a spoiler because that evidence is already present in both the show and the book. The former doesn't work either; the theory could compete against various "revelations" just as easily as it could work against total silence on the matter. That's the nature of fan theories; they extrapolate from limited information or they seek to find and fill holes in the current "official story."

Beyond that, you're saying "because some other people who don't know the book theory managed to flukily guess it, no-one should be annoyed if I strongly hint it in front of them. If someone managed to guess the Red Wedding in a separate topic, would you feel content to come in this topic and be like "well, if I was Robb I'd probably steer clear of Walder Frey's place, could be bad for him, wink wink, nudge nudge"? No, of course not 'cause that'd be a dick move.

But I'm not strongly hinting at anything because there is nothing to hint at. It's just an unproven fan theory dating back to the first book and the first episodes of the show's first season. There is no comparison to be made one individual flukily guessing future twists and a large mass of people independently considering very common theories that have been around from the beginning.

And don't say "it's only a theory", that doesn't make it better - either the theory is wrong and you're getting people riled up and misleading them for no reason, or the theory is right and you're spoiling what would be an awesome plot twist if you weren't expecting it.

This statement is nonsensical. If it's true, than literally all discussion of the future must be banned because it could "ruin plot twists," whether that discussion came from me or any random show-watcher.

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Decided to delete my post in case anyone gets too tempted - figured that's probably unfair, to leave the spoiler so enticingly there.

That said, vague spoilers below!

SD, you know there's a difference between some random fan theory and something that has a lot of substantive evidence to support it. This isn't "if it's wrong it's a harmless theory", it's at the absolute least meant to be a red herring. And if so, it's one people are meant to find out in due course. You're saying the theory came about during the first few episodes of the show - I don't recall them mentioning the Tower of Joy, Howland Reed, the tournament of Harrenhal or anything else like that.

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Do you really not understand that you speculating on a theory is much different to show watchers than show watchers speculating amongst themselves?

Let's make a spoiler free example.


Jaime is the one that pushes Bran out of the window at the end of season 1 episode 1. Let's say that his involvement wasn't actually revealed in the episode. But hints are given that Jaime and Cersei were involved (Catelyn finding the golden hair up there etc). Show watchers speculate that it was Jaime that did it. That's fun discussion. A book reader comes in and also agrees that Jaime probably did it. Even if this isn't revealed in the books yet, the show watchers are going to be annoyed. What extra knowledge does the book reader have to say this? Is it actually revealed that Jaime did do it, or are there more hints that strongly indicate it later on? Maybe there's two competing theories amongst the show watchers. Maybe some think Jaime did it and some think Theon did it (for whatever reason). The book reader agreeing that Jaime did it pretty much ruins any anticipation show watchers have towards this mystery.

*a bit of spoilers to extend this*

Jon's parentage is such a mystery. Who is his mother? What would drive Ned Stark, who is such an honourable man, to cheat on his wife and have an illegitimate son with another woman? This is a fun mystery people like to think about. And book readers weighing in on it really take some of it away. You are free to theorize on this with your book knowledge, but do it in another topic designed for book readers in mind.

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Cly summed it up pretty perfectly, I'd say.

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The show watchers know you've read the books. They know you are privy to more information than them. You simply cannot discuss theories with them because since you know more than them and they know it, the things you say practically become fact to them. They have no idea what information supports what you are saying.

Sure they do. I cited every individual scene I was using in my second post. Well, until it got modded for apparently spoiling the show's second episode.

They can't go "that's dumb, that theory is flawed because of this etc."

Except they could have, because I presented entirely evidence drawn from the show. That's the only evidence worth using, after all, as the show and book are different and growing more so every week.

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But you didn't come up with that theory based on the show. You have further, book specific evidence, and then when you stated it, you went back and looked at what show specific evidence supported it. The show's evidence is not as strong, but we know you're privy to all of the information, so we have to consider that when accepting or rejecting your theory.

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From: saveus_Maria | #211
you guys realize that SubDiety is clearly trolling right

can we all just put him on ignore and get on with the topic

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Jaime is the one that pushes Bran out of the window at the end of season 1 episode 1. Let's say that his involvement wasn't actually revealed in the episode. But hints are given that Jaime and Cersei were involved (Catelyn finding the golden hair up there etc). Show watchers speculate that it was Jaime that did it. That's fun discussion. A book reader comes in and also agrees that Jaime probably did it. Even if this isn't revealed in the books yet, the show watchers are going to be annoyed. What extra knowledge does the book reader have to say this? Is it actually revealed that Jaime did do it, or are there more hints that strongly indicate it later on? Maybe there's two competing theories amongst the show watchers. Maybe some think Jaime did it and some think Theon did it (for whatever reason). The book reader agreeing that Jaime did it pretty much ruins any anticipation show watchers have towards this mystery.

There's several flaws with this:

-I was not weighing in on one side of a debate. I was merely pointing out that a debate existed. The equivalent in your example would be if everybody just assumed Theon did it even though the show provided ample evidence that it was Jaime. People were assuming something that the show itself did not give them the grounds to assume and I pointed it out.
-In your example, the anticipation of the Jaime/Theon argument is ruined because it's reasonable to conclude that the book reader knows Jaime did it, since after all he did. This theory has no comparable confirmation or refutation so there can be no ruined anticipation.

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Yep, he's just trolling. Ignored.

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But you didn't come up with that theory based on the show. You have further, book specific evidence, and then when you stated it, you went back and looked at what show specific evidence supported it. The show's evidence is not as strong, but we know you're privy to all of the information, so we have to consider that when accepting or rejecting your theory.

You're the only ones who have been stating the book's evidence is better. Heck, I've never even implied that the book evidence and show evidence were different.

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*sigh*

You know what, I give up. I'm sorry I said that, and I didn't realize it would make so many people freak out. I'll be more careful from now on.

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This topic got like ten times better since I ignored Sub. I suggest everyone else follow suit before it's too late.

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FFDragon posted...

This topic got like ten times better since I ignored Sub. I suggest everyone else follow suit before it's too late.

Book readers will be fine, and can have the benefit of still chastising him.

FFDragon posted...

Also:

Ho...ly...crap...

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Minor teaser spoilers for the next ep:





Going to be so good.

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I've now got that guy on ignore so let's move on.

As of now, Season 2 has surpassed Season 1 but the penultimate episode of Season 1 put this show way up on the totem pole. This battle needs to be epic. It needs to be have consequences and major ones at that. It has to change the landscape and bring together 8 hours of character building and anticipation.

Thank God Martin is doing this episode. Smart move by HBO to have him script the series most important episode so far.

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i can't remember a single instance of foreshadowing on the show that suggests that ned might not be jon's father

i remember a very brief convo they had about it before jon broke off from the group headed to kings landing to go to the wall, but i don't think anything was said there

i seem to remember ned confirming that he had indeed sexed up jon's mother

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Hey cool, The National are doing "The Rains of Castamere"



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Hopefully I'll be able to finish before the finale, but I kinda doubt it.

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Menji76 posted...

Hey cool, The National are doing "The Rains of Castamere"

you've read the books, right Menji?

WARNING TO NON-READERS

LISTEN TO THIS SONG AT YOUR OWN PERIL

my advice is to just listen and don't EVER read the comments or google the title or why it's significant

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Hey cool, The National are doing "The Rains of Castamere"



Halfway through Feast atm. Does this song contain spoilers? I don't see anything when I look at the lyrics. I wouldn't read the comments obviously.

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Menji76 posted...

Hey cool, The National are doing "The Rains of Castamere"



Halfway through Feast atm. Does this song contain spoilers? I don't see anything when I look at the lyrics. I wouldn't read the comments obviously.

As long as you only listen to the song itself, it's completely safe and refers to an event that took place before the books started. The details of the song are a minefield of spoilers, though.

And for anyone as far as Menji in the books: The spoiler attached to this is in Storm. Even in the spoilers I won't get too specific, but it's played at a certain wedding.

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Now I don't normally post in these topics.

But what on earth is the point of spoiler tagging a youtube link.

The people who want to listen it will click the link, those who don't want to listen to it won't. Plus the song itself isn't a spoiler at all, it contains some background information but nothing major or important, and the only reason I can think that people would have not to listen is if they want to save it for being in the episode itself. Do watch out for the comments though.

Also, the song is awesome.

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i prefer they err on the side of caution!

but yeah, that "official" version of the song is awesome

i listened to the other fan renditions and they're either trying too hard for the medieval sound or they're too jolly

this one is just haunting

but again, non-readers just listen to the song and don't read the comments or go googling about it

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1.) Never read a youtube comment ever.
2.) Never wikipedia anything. EVER. Just ask somebody in this topic.

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The last song of the soundtrack (won't say the name because of spoilers) is fantastic. The whole soundtrack is fantastic. I also really like 'Pay the Iron Price', a.k.a. 'Look Out, Theon is Being A Dick Again'.

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Black Turtle did a pretty good job.

Personally I prefer a slightly jollier Rains song. It is a minstrel tune played at feasts and such after all. Like, I can't imagine Tywin listening to that song three times in a row, when I believe that exact sort of thing is described as happening.

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From: KamikazePotato | #244
The last song of the soundtrack is fantastic.
agreed.

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Very cool stuff, just watched the latest two episodes. Interesting stuff going on with
Daenerys, and of course the battle coming up, pumped.

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From: AlecTrevelyan006 | #248

This is awesome. Being manufactured by the "Stark paper co." is even more awesome.

Time for hype. For the night is dark and full of amazing.

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AlecTrevelyan006 posted...

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