Board 8 > Ugh, why is "The Avengers" doing so well?

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I was hoping it would disappoint so that people would stop making these endless sequels/cash-ins that are ruining the film industry. I mean I have nothing to say about the quality of the The Avengers, but it just perpetuates a system where film studios just rely on franchises to make money, instead of trying to make good movies*


*Before someone comes in with a smart comment, I'm not implying that film studios were ever not primarily concerned with money, just that there was once a time when quality films for adults were considered the way to get that.

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I mean I have nothing to say about the quality of the The Avengers

Oh good

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how many of the avenger movies have you seen?

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A movie can be a sequel AND good. There's no law that says otherwise.

It can be, but if you're making a sequel just to make a cash-in, quality is not going to be a particularly high concern.

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From: LOLContests | Posted: 4/29/2012 2:41:23 PM | #004
If the movies are good why do you care?

Because overall, the movies are not good, or at least not better than passable.

no

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If the movies are good why do you care?

Because overall, the movies (of the current studio system) are not good, or at least not better than passable.

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What's so bad about the movie?

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LOLContests posted...
A movie can be a sequel AND good. There's no law that says otherwise.

It can be, but if you're making a sequel just to make a cash-in, quality is not going to be a particularly high concern.

True, but where did you get the idea that The Avengers is just a cash-in? Marvel's been dedicated to the idea of a united cinematic universe leading up to the Avengers since the first Iron Man. Yeah, they want to make money off of it, so what? They're also doing it for the fans.

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A movie can be a sequel AND good. There's no law that says otherwise.

It can be, but if you're making a sequel just to make a cash-in, quality is not going to be a particularly high concern.

... but if you actually paid attention, it was the opposite. They made all the other movies so they could make this one.

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The fact that you think Joss Whedon of all persons would make a quick cash-in amuses me

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It's doing well because there's nothing else worth watching in theaters right now.

how many of the avenger movies have you seen?

I've seen Iron Man which is by all accounts the best of the bunch, and while it was good, I would consider it underwhelming if that's supposed to be the quality that studio films are aspiring to. None of the main creative personnel appear to be the same for The Avengers except for one editor (Director/Writer/Cinematographer all did not work on any other Avenger films) anyway. I've see plenty of other studio productions made under the same system though (Harry Potter/Transformers 2/Pirates 4, etc.) Except for The Dark Knight and the Toy Story sequels, they've almost all been "good" at best.

True, but where did you get the idea that The Avengers is just a cash-in? Marvel's been dedicated to the idea of a united cinematic universe leading up to the Avengers since the first Iron Man. Yeah, they want to make money off of it, so what? They're also doing it for the fans.

Even if the people involved are just doing this for the fans (which is not something that bodes well for future films' qualities), I doubt Disney sees this as anything more than a franchise machine. It's not like it disappointing at the box office would mean that fans wouldn't get to see it. It would just ensure that franchises take a hit in the future.

I mean, it's not like The Avengers is the only movie out there like this and I'm complaining about some isolated incident. Wouldn't everyone agree that this is clearly part of a trend? Who knows, maybe this is the one big franchise movie that would have been made irrespective of contemporary trends, but I don't think I can be blamed for finding that hypothesis somewhat doubtful.

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the avengers is doing well because marvel has delivered several good movies for all the characters featured in it that made people want to see it.

marvel makes movies based on their comic book franchises, they aren't trying to come up with new movie ideas. i agree that it is lame when movies are tons of sequels and no new ideas, but i blame studios who just buy up properties with big names to make movies out of them, especially in cases like 'battleship' where the property literally has no story behind it to begin with and they are SOLELY buying name recognition, rather than marvel, who is just making movie adaptions of their own material.

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LOLContests posted...
just that there was once a time when quality films for adults were considered the way to get that.

No there wasn't.

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It's doing well because there's nothing else worth watching in theaters right now.

No, it's doing well because it's one of the best movies to come out this year.

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This keeps happening. Every SINGLE time, I see a LOLContests topic and I think, "OK, this is it. THIS is the one where no one responds seriously to this user. Finally people have wised up over what must now be hundreds of topics and realize what this person does. It is not possible for anyone to take this guys seriously anymore." and EVERY time, I am horrified and disappointed.

So I want to know, seriously now. Why ARE you talking to this user?

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So you've only seen one of the Marvel movies leading up to The Avengers and you're still gonna complain about it being a cash-in? Totally makes sense.

Iron Man wasn't the best "by all accounts" either. I've seen people say The Incredible Hulk was the best, and I personally preferred Thor.

I understand what you're trying to say, but hoping The Avengers does bad regardless of quality is kind of silly.

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I mean, who even looks at the name "LOLContests" and thinks oh yeah, I should take whatever this person says seriously?

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rather than marvel, who is just making movie adaptions of their own material.

Are most comic book films actual adaptations of their source material? I was under the impression that most of the time they weren't.

No there wasn't.

http://www.filmsite.org/boxoffice2.html

Most of the movies listed here aren't intended to be quality films for adults?

No, it's doing well because it's one of the best movies to come out this year.

I'm not denying that, at least amongst mainstream releases.

So you've only seen one of the Marvel movies leading up to The Avengers and you're still gonna complain about it being a cash-in? Totally makes sense.

I shouldn't have to see a movie to have some understanding of the industrial factors that allowed it to get made. A cash-in isn't necessarily bad.

I understand what you're trying to say, but hoping The Avengers does bad regardless of quality is kind of silly.

I never said I hoped it did bad, just that it dissapointed and wasn't a massive hit. I don't care about its creation so much as what it will encourage other studios to do. I'm going to go see it anyway for someone's birthday.

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Are most comic book films actual adaptations of their source material? I was under the impression that most of the time they weren't.

generally the storyline is based on some story from the comics, though the adaptions are usually fairly loose.

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Quick question guys..


Is LOLContests the same person as LOLinternet?

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Quick question guys..


Is LOLContests the same person as LOLinternet?

No, LOLContests is the user formerly known as Yesmar.

lol internet isn't intelligent enough to come up with a topic like this

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Because "with a script that never forgets its heroes' humanity and no shortage of superpowered set pieces, The Avengers lives up to its hype -- and raises the bar for Marvel at the movies."

97% on Rotten Tomatoes. Critics can't be that wrong.

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Once again, I'm not passing any judgment on the quality of the movie, just on its larger industrial effects. There's been plenty of bad works of art/cultural products that have had positive effects for their industries, and plenty of good ones that have had negative effects.

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Once again, I'm not passing any judgment on the quality of the movie, just on its larger industrial effects. There's been plenty of bad works of art/cultural products that have had positive effects for their industries, and plenty of good ones that have had negative effects.

So you judge the movie on the basis for why it may have been made, rather than for the actual quality of the movie?

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Maybe you should be whining about Empire Strikes Back instead of The Avengers.

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ugh you're the worst

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****... forgot about him.

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So you judge the movie on the basis for why it may have been made, rather than for the actual quality of the movie?

I judge the movie's quality based on its quality and I judge its economic effects based on its economic effects. The two are separable.

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what a terrible example to use for this argument

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Maybe you should be whining about Empire Strikes Back instead of The Avengers.

Jaws and Star Wars had a largely negative impact on the film industry, and that's really where our current problem started. Doesn't change the fact that both are fantastic films (more so Jaws, IMO.)

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No, I'm pretty sure your problem starts with way earlier than that (Gone With The Wind as an example), given that by your definition it's just a cash-in.

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I think The Avengers does plenty of good to the industry, as did films like The Black Knight. They are actually great superhero films that are also making lots of money. They are not cash-ins as they clearly take considerable work and effort, and they actually become successful. It gives the industry more incentives to work harder on better films instead of on crap that doesn't make half as much money. Basically it's sending a message that it is worth the extra effort.

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The studio 'franchise' system definitely started with "Jaws" and "Star Wars", but the way you're going about with this argument War has a point with "Gone With The Wind".

I agree with the gist of your statement but you're making an already-tough sell all the tougher with how you're presenting the supposed evidence. It would be nice to see this era of relentless superhero movies come to a close within the next ten or so years and "The Avengers" certainly isn't contributing to such a future, but frankly if it's as good for the fans as the fans are saying, it should be praised and seen despite what you've said.

That and Joss Whedon deserves most of the money he can get, so yeah.

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LOLContests posted...
Maybe you should be whining about Empire Strikes Back instead of The Avengers.

Jaws and Star Wars had a largely negative impact on the film industry, and that's really where our current problem started.

..How?

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Surskit posted...
I think The Avengers does plenty of good to the industry, as did films like The Black Knight. They are actually great superhero films that are also making lots of money. They are not cash-ins as they clearly take considerable work and effort, and they actually become successful. It gives the industry more incentives to work harder on better films instead of on crap that doesn't make half as much money. Basically it's sending a message that it is worth the extra effort.



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The Incredible Hulk: 7/10.
Iron Man: 9/10
Iron man 2: 8/10
Thor: 8/10
Captain America: 9/10.

Yah cause they totally make bad movies.

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UberPyro64 posted...
The Incredible Hulk: 7/10.
Iron Man: 9/10
Iron man 2: 8/10
Thor: 8/10
Captain America: 9/10.

Yah cause they totally make bad movies.

Iron Man 2 and Captain America kinda sucked for me. Iron Man was good. Haven't seen the other two.

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yesmar is literally "that guy"

This.

Whining about a movie he's never even seen is pathetic. All gay people do now is whine about everything and then play the victim card when called out on it. Board 8 is loaded with these people, which makes me feel bad for Cyclo because he doesn't pull that crap.

News Flash: If you act like an idiot, you'll get treated like one regardless of sexual orientation.

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Welp.

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Thor was frigging brilliant, mainly due to Loki being amazing

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I'm confused as to why sexual orientation was brought into this...

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