Board 8 > Gerbil ranks the final evolutions of all* the pokemon

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Mewtwo59
05/03/12 5:19:00 PM
#151:


Some of them could have been salvaged had they been given stats and a movepool that complemented each other. Klinklang has decent attack and speed, one of the best boosting moves in the game in Shift Gear, and one of the worst physical movepools in the whole game. It's strongest Physical move after Return/Frustration/Giga Impact is Gear Grind, with 50 base power. It's okay, but it could've been so much better.

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MarvelousGerbil
05/03/12 5:20:00 PM
#152:


From: mnkboy907 | #149
Beartic being Ice/Fighting would've been amazing.


Especially since we still don't have an Ice/Fighting type.

Apparently I messed up the numbering, so here's a revision...

So far:
326.Mightyena
327.Klinklang
328.Cryogonal
329.Audino
330.Pachirisu
331.Magneton
332.Dodrio
333.Regirock
334.Lumineon
335.Seaking
336.Victreebel
337.Carnivine
338.Cradily
339.Delcatty
340.Solrock
341.Chimecho
342.Exeggutor
343.Jynx
344.Watchog
345.Cresselia
346.Huntail
347.Golurk
348.Jumpluff
349.Minun
350.Plusle
351.Simisage
352.Gorebyss
353.Sunflora
354.Purugly
355.Relicanth
356.Corsola
357.Unown
358.Spinda
359.Simipour
360.Luvdisc
361.Alomola
362.Lopunny
363.Musharna
364.Phione
365.Regigigas

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GenesisSaga
05/03/12 5:39:00 PM
#153:


Mightyena ugly, what???

I think it's beautiful... :3

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mnkboy907
05/03/12 5:44:00 PM
#154:


I think Poochyena might've been the beginning of a new archetype that Shinx and Lillipup continued. Only Mightyena didn't evolve again, so it kinda sucked in comparison.

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05/03/12 5:48:00 PM
#155:


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MarvelousGerbil
05/03/12 9:19:00 PM
#156:


From: mnkboy907 | #154
I think Poochyena might've been the beginning of a new archetype that Shinx and Lillipup continued. Only Mightyena didn't evolve again, so it kinda sucked in comparison.


I suppose not all trends needed to start in RBY <_<

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Raka_Putra
05/03/12 9:19:00 PM
#157:


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MarvelousGerbil
05/03/12 11:56:00 PM
#158:


325.Wormadon
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What's worse than a crappy Pokemon? When it's got three crappy forms. I actually like the gimmick of Wormadon, but the execution is so piss-poor that I can't respect it at all. It's hideous in all three forms, "Trash" cloak being pink makes no damn sense, and it's NU no matter what you do. It kind of sucks that (IIRC) the only pokemon that can have multiple typings are this ugly thing and Arceus, neither of which you would ever use for exact opposite reasons. Oh, and Rotom, but his even had to be retconed, but at least we see some variability in him. Maybe Kyurem will add more to this trend. Anyway, I was initially going to rank different formes here as well, but I decided against it because more often than not I don't feel very differently about different formes (Deoxys, Giratina, Unown). I'd rate Wormadon as a whole as a 1, but Grass would probably get a 3, Ground would get a 1 and Steel would get a 0.

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Natwaf_akidna
05/04/12 12:33:00 AM
#159:


Rotom retcon still bugs me.

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mnkboy907
05/04/12 12:36:00 AM
#160:


Wormadam*

EDIT: Also it sort of bugged me that they missed another obvious chance for a fully evolved Bug/Water Pokemon. They could've easily made a forme that occurs when Burmy evolves while surfing.

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SuorGenoveffa
05/04/12 1:28:00 AM
#161:


MarvelousGerbil posted...
325.Wormadon
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the only pokemon that can have multiple typings are this ugly thing and Arceus, neither of which you would ever use for exact opposite reasons. Oh, and Rotom, but his even had to be retconed, but at least we see some variability in him.


Castform?

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Raka_Putra
05/04/12 7:57:00 AM
#162:


Wormadam x Rhydon OTP

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Pram_the_Oracle
05/04/12 7:58:00 AM
#163:


Why Rhydon?

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Raka_Putra
05/04/12 8:05:00 AM
#164:


Cause 'Wormadon'.

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MarvelousGerbil
05/04/12 4:16:00 PM
#165:


From: mnkboy907 | #160
Wormadam*

EDIT: Also it sort of bugged me that they missed another obvious chance for a fully evolved Bug/Water Pokemon. They could've easily made a forme that occurs when Burmy evolves while surfing.




Huh, so it is, I guess I'm not the only of that gets it wrong, it's actually a suggested search result when I type "Wormad" into Bing. Also yeah, didn't really think about it but that is troublesome. I always had the same problem with Castform not having a hail form.

From: SuorGenoveffa | #161
Castform?


Yeah, but Castform isn't permanent, so I personally don't count it, or Darmanitan for that matter.

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MarvelousGerbil
05/04/12 5:05:00 PM
#166:


324.Maractus
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I know I'm using the words "forgetable" and "pointless" a lot, but Cacturne does everything Maractus does, just a lot better. It's the superior cactus pokemon, cooler typing. They're both NU anyway, so I may as well compare them based on design. I also feel like after three different abilities, they could have given it something that was "if you hit me with a physical attack it will hurt you" since it's a damn cactus. Cacturne doesn't have one either, but at least it only had one ability anyway.

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TheCodeisBosco
05/04/12 5:09:00 PM
#167:


Waaaay too many good Pokemon showing up already. Klinklang's my boy in NU (he's NU on Pokemon Online), Mightyena's one of the coolest Dark-types, and Pachirisu and Dodrio are legitimately two of my favorite Pokemon.

But on the bright side, at least we got Cresselia out of the way early! I hate that mother-falcon so much, due to how obnoxious it is in Brawl. Spear Pillar is usually an awesome stage, but if Cress appears, it's pretty rage-inducing.

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05/04/12 5:14:00 PM
#168:


No, not Seaking!

On my Emerald playthrough, Seaking was a surprise bro. I just needed something that could surf and fished up a Goldeen, only for Seaking to become one of my strongest pokemon alongside Blaziken and Kadabra.

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MarvelousGerbil
05/04/12 5:46:00 PM
#169:


If we're being fair, there's probably about 20 pokemon that are universally hated. I'm sure if you look hard enough someone even likes Luvdisc.

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GenesisSaga
05/04/12 5:59:00 PM
#170:


Bosco likes Luvdick. And B ass culin. And Feeb ass.

Bosco just sucks in terms of poképinions.

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KlinkIang
05/04/12 6:08:00 PM
#171:


GenesisSaga posted...
Bosco likes Luvdick. And B ass culin. And Feeb ass.

Bosco just sucks in terms of poképinions.


Wait, I don't like Feebas...! >_>

Luvdisc kicks ass though. Greatest troll in gaming history, aside from perhaps Dan Hibiki.

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mnkboy907
05/04/12 6:42:00 PM
#172:


Alomomola is a bigger troll than Luvdisc, simply because it's not an evolution.

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MarvelousGerbil
05/04/12 6:43:00 PM
#173:


From: mnkboy907 | #172
Alomomola is a bigger troll than Luvdisc, simply because it's not an evolution.


Bouffalant is almost worse...

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SuorGenoveffa
05/04/12 6:44:00 PM
#174:


Alomomola isn't as blatantly awful.

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mnkboy907
05/04/12 6:45:00 PM
#175:


I don't know why people expected Bouffalant to be a Tauros evo. Buffalo, bull. Buffalo, bull.

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MarvelousGerbil
05/04/12 6:55:00 PM
#176:


Makes more sense than those that thought Pinsir would evolve into Heracross.

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mnkboy907
05/04/12 7:02:00 PM
#177:


I've heard that Gamefreak's original intention was for Heracross to be a Pinsir evolution, but ultimately decided it was too different. I don't know if there's any truth to that, though.

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Azp2k32
05/04/12 9:40:00 PM
#178:


mnkboy907 posted...
I don't know why people expected Bouffalant to be a Tauros evo. Buffalo, bull. Buffalo, bull.

We also have a seal that evolves into a walrus, a slug that evolves into a snail, a clam that evolves into an oyster, eggs that evolve into a coconut tree, and a salamander that evolves into a dragon.

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GenesisSaga
05/04/12 9:42:00 PM
#179:


Don't forget the clam that evolves into two different eels. That makes no kind of sense.

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MarvelousGerbil
05/04/12 9:43:00 PM
#180:


From: Azp2k32 | #178
We also have a seal that evolves into a walrus, a slug that evolves into a snail, a clam that evolves into an oyster, eggs that evolve into a coconut tree, and a salamander that evolves into a dragon.


Yet none of those is the worst offender. How does a fish become an octopus?

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Azp2k32
05/04/12 9:49:00 PM
#181:


MarvelousGerbil posted...
From: Azp2k32 | #178
We also have a seal that evolves into a walrus, a slug that evolves into a snail, a clam that evolves into an oyster, eggs that evolve into a coconut tree, and a salamander that evolves into a dragon.
Yet none of those is the worst offender. How does a fish become an octopus?


Man, and that fish is supposed to cling to Mantine to feed on its scraps. What a god damn surprise that evo has to be.

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mnkboy907
05/04/12 10:26:00 PM
#182:


From: Azp2k32 | #178
We also have a seal that evolves into a walrus, a slug that evolves into a snail, a clam that evolves into an oyster, eggs that evolve into a coconut tree, and a salamander that evolves into a dragon.


Yes, but you wouldn't look at any of those and expect them to evolve into what they evolve into. So why look at Bouffalant and expect it to be a Tauros evolution?

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MarvelousGerbil
05/04/12 10:31:00 PM
#183:


From: mnkboy907 | #182
Yes, but you wouldn't look at any of those and expect them to evolve into what they evolve into. So why look at Bouffalant and expect it to be a Tauros evolution?


Because thanks to those ridiculous evolutions, anything that looks remotely similar is "omigurd ervolurtion"

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Azp2k32
05/04/12 10:36:00 PM
#184:


mnkboy907 posted...
From: Azp2k32 | #178
We also have a seal that evolves into a walrus, a slug that evolves into a snail, a clam that evolves into an oyster, eggs that evolve into a coconut tree, and a salamander that evolves into a dragon.
Yes, but you wouldn't look at any of those and expect them to evolve into what they evolve into. So why look at Bouffalant and expect it to be a Tauros evolution?


They share a similar design. Turning Tauros into Bouffalant just requires turning its mane into an afro, moving and growing its horns, and losing the 3-pronged tail, things (with the exception of the tail) that would be expected when creating an evolution and trying to emphasize certain parts to show how the evolved form is more powerful than the first form.

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MarvelousGerbil
05/05/12 7:47:00 PM
#185:


323.Basculin
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There are pointless pokemon, and there are really damn pointless pokemon. Why does this exist? Why do we need two of them? Pure water type (AGAIN), NU, and entirely redundant. I know gen 5 was supposed to be "a new beginning" or whatever, but we already have so many normal fish pokemon that Basculin seemed an awful addition.

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GenesisSaga
05/05/12 7:52:00 PM
#186:


Don't forget it's ugly as sin.

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TheCodeisBosco
05/05/12 7:52:00 PM
#187:


Poor Badassculin.

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MarvelousGerbil
05/05/12 8:10:00 PM
#188:


322.Druiddigon
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I've never understood why some pokemon get an extra type tacked on for no logical reason (Gyarados, Gengar, Altaria) and yet, others could have an incredibly logical second typing that's just ignored. Since Druiddigon has the gargoyle thing going for it, giving it Rock type would have made perfect sense. Then again, it's stats are pretty bad (RU tier). The only Dragon type it's technically better than is Altaria, and giving it rock type would have probably made it even worse, but I enjoy novel typings and I'd eventually like to see every type of pokemon made (though they can go ahead and not make normal/whatever types, that's last priority IMO). I also think this guy is pretty ugly but has the odd trait of not being part of an evolutionary family and not being a legendary, and being a dragon, so I guess that's kind of cool. Gen 6 will probably give us a baby of it or something stupid.

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MarvelousGerbil
05/05/12 8:35:00 PM
#189:


321. Mr. Mime
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Mr. Mime always felt way too close to human for me. He's the only humanoid one that really bothered me in that aspect. For some reason he was also late to the baby making party, since the other three gen 1 humanoids that I always clumped it with (Jynx, Magmar, and Electabuzz) got babies in Gen 2 and Mr. Mime apparently had ED, and Odd Incense is his viagra, so he couldn't make a baby until Gen 4. I know it's also kind of silly, but it always bothered me that even though it's a stupid translation issue, we get female Mr. Mimes.

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Grand Kirby
05/05/12 8:37:00 PM
#190:


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Poor Druddigon.

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TheCodeisBosco
05/05/12 8:38:00 PM
#191:


I actually like Mr. Mime, but that's mostly because of nostalgia. I can definitely see why one would rank him this low.

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MarvelousGerbil
05/06/12 10:57:00 PM
#192:


Updating tomorrow.

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MarvelousGerbil
05/07/12 9:56:00 AM
#193:


320.Raticate
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I never cared much for the Raticate, even back in the RBY days. Even for a normal type it's pretty bland, it's just... a rat... At least Rattata was a purple rat, which is a little different, but Raticate is just a boring brown rat. Not surprisingly, Raticate is in the NU tier these days and IMO, has been one upped almost every gen by his rehashes (you'll notice, Furret, Linoone, and Bibarel are all higher).I think the whole "You killed Blue's Raticate" thing made me like it even less than I would have. It also pissed me off that Ash was willing to trade away Butterfree for a Raticate that lost to it. Don't fall for that crap, Ash. Have some sense. Oh wait, we're talking about Ash here.

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MarvelousGerbil
05/08/12 4:42:00 AM
#194:


From: mnkboy907 | #123
So long as Lilligant and Roserade don't show up for awhile, I'm okay.


mnkboy use RAGE... It's not very effective...

337.Lilligant
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Sorry, but I'm just not a fan... Lilligant looks like a porcelain statue to me, or maybe an edible arrangement? I don't know. Regardless, a humanoid grass type isn't really my thing, especially Lilligant because for some reason, it just doesn't look very grassy to me. It's like if a Gardevoir was just holding some leaves and put a flower on it's head. It's RU, so I guess it's not entirely useless in battle, but I don't foresee myself ever using one.

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SuorGenoveffa
05/08/12 4:58:00 AM
#195:


I haven't actually used Furret but I don't believe Raticate is worse than it. How so?

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MarvelousGerbil
05/08/12 5:19:00 AM
#196:


I mean in terms of design. All of the rodents are pretty terrible if you think of them in terms of combat. The only one I'd think of using is Linoone and that's mostly for pickup.

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05/08/12 5:32:00 AM
#197:


welp, topic was fun while it lasted

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MarvelousGerbil
05/08/12 5:43:00 AM
#198:


336. Emolga
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I fully understand if they want a Pikachu ripoff every gen, whatever. But why are they so against making them useful? Pikachu can evolve into Raichu, so why can't Plusle, Minun, Pachirisu, or Emolga evolve? You can have a cute pokemon with a cool evolution, it's not that difficult. Instead, we just get these unusable pokemon that you catch and then box and forget about it. It's a shame too, because Electric/Flying is a great typing, but with stats like these, it's entirely unusable. Emolga is kind of cute, but the bad execution is especially insulting to me.

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SuorGenoveffa
05/08/12 11:49:00 AM
#199:


MarvelousGerbil posted...
I mean in terms of design. All of the rodents are pretty terrible if you think of them in terms of combat. The only one I'd think of using is Linoone and that's mostly for pickup.

Oh, I agree then.

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mnkboy907
05/08/12 11:51:00 AM
#200:


All my rage.

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