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KanzarisKelshen 01/01/12 7:53:00 PM #51: |
From: Anagram | #049 'If it exists, we can kill it.' Plus, I never even got to show off my dirty tricks! You ain't seen nuthin' yet! -- Sburbopolis, Homestuck RPG: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/60981373 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Anagram 01/01/12 8:12:00 PM #52: |
I absolutely guarantee you will hate the next boss encounter, Kanz. You, specifically, because of your dirty tricks.
You'll understand when you see it. -- Not changing this sig until I decide to change this sig. Started: July 6, 2005 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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shadosneko 01/01/12 8:53:00 PM #53: |
Ok, I dropped the one encounter for Fox's Cunning, Quick Draw for Distant Advantage, and Escape Artist for Lethal Hunter.
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Sceptilesolarbeam 01/01/12 8:56:00 PM #54: |
From: KanzarisKelshen | #047 Hey, wait a second. Because of Companion Form, your argument doesn't really apply. -- "As the size of an explosion increases, the number of social situations it is incapable of solving approaches zero." -Vaarsuvius, Order of the Stick ... Copied to Clipboard!
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KanzarisKelshen 01/01/12 9:21:00 PM #55: |
From: Anagram | #052 I know exactly what you mean. My reply to that is, "Ain't no thorns on a wilted rose". From: Sceptilesolarbeam | #054 Sure does. Look at the level 10 list. If you're skipping out on things like Draw Their Eyes for Companion Form...I dunno man. **** just ain't right. -- Sburbopolis, Homestuck RPG: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/60981373 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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GenesisTwilight 01/01/12 10:43:00 PM #56: |
Wait, so we ARE allowing themes? I'll take the Alchemist theme then.
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Anagram 01/01/12 10:52:00 PM #57: |
GenesisTwilight posted...
Wait, so we ARE allowing themes? I'll take the Alchemist theme then. Yes, I thought you knew, sorry. -- Not changing this sig until I decide to change this sig. Started: July 6, 2005 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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IhatethisCPU 01/02/12 4:33:00 AM #58: |
Still don't have one, because none of 'em really work properly for Euri.
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Anagram 01/02/12 9:57:00 AM #59: |
Well, they obviously aren't mandatory. What themes exist that could possibly apply to her, anyway?
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Sceptilesolarbeam 01/02/12 10:50:00 AM #60: |
From: IhatethisCPU | #058 You mean mechanically, or just apply for her character? Because I'm totally not putting much thought into that latter. That's the worst part of themes, that they limit your character. Better to just ignore the baggage. -- "As the size of an explosion increases, the number of social situations it is incapable of solving approaches zero." -Vaarsuvius, Order of the Stick ... Copied to Clipboard!
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KanzarisKelshen 01/02/12 11:12:00 AM #61: |
From: Sceptilesolarbeam | #060 Same. The themes CAN be there for fluff - but for the most part, the fluff is as important as your class fluff, i. e. not very. Their true purpose is to be a mechanism by which combat is spiced up before you hit upper-Paragon, as they add options. -- Sburbopolis, Homestuck RPG: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/60981373 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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IhatethisCPU 01/02/12 11:43:00 AM #62: |
Neither, honestly.
...Although, rereading the Dark Sun CH, looking at Templar (Which I'm against for obvious reasons. I.E. **** Templars.) or Dune Trader. -- I'm perfectle aware that me crusade against the letter Y s stupid. Let it be known that I don't care. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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KanzarisKelshen 01/02/12 1:50:00 PM #63: |
Or Housewife. Housewife's Stare would fit her nicely. :P
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IhatethisCPU 01/02/12 2:01:00 PM #64: |
...If that's an actual thing, would you be kind enough to say where to find it? >_>
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KanzarisKelshen 01/02/12 2:24:00 PM #65: |
From: IhatethisCPU | #064 I'll post it for you, sans fluff: Housewife Level 1 Feature: You gain the Housewife's Stare power. Housewife's Stare Level 1 Attack Beholders, Dragons and Tarrasques: All of them flinch and recoil under the steely glare of an experienced matriarch. Encounter + Martial Standard Action Ranged 10 Target: One Creature Attack: Higest Ability Score +3 vs. Will Level 11: Highest Ability Score +6 vs. Will Level 21: Highest Ability Score +9 vs. Will Hit: The target is dazed until the end of his next turn, and takes a -2 penalty to attack rolls as long as it is dazed. Level 11: The penalty to attack rolls is -3 instead. Level 21: -4, and Dazed (Save Ends). Level 5 Feature: Can cook delicious meals without fail, even when under pressure, strapped for time, or dealing with low-quality ingredients (but the ingredients must be edible to the Housewife and those she serves. Rocks can't be made delicious for those who aren't rock-eaters). Additionally, can channel the frustration from cleaning up a mischievous child's mess (which is to say, a monster's disaster) to gain a +1 to a single attack roll, once per encounter. Level 10 Feature: Designate one target as your Protégé (more targets may be designated, at the GMs description), who must have been adopted, babied, or otherwise maternally treated (or must be an actual child). When the Protégé is bloodied or afflicted by an effect a save can end, you gain a +2 bonus to all saving throws. That's the size of it. There's sidebar stuff about determining a Protégé but it isn't important. -- Sburbopolis, Homestuck RPG: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/60981373 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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KanzarisKelshen 01/02/12 2:25:00 PM #66: |
From: IhatethisCPU | #064 Also... Caught in the act! -- Sburbopolis, Homestuck RPG: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/60981373 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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IhatethisCPU 01/02/12 3:12:00 PM #67: |
First post: **** ees I'm taking that. Thank ea vere much.
Second post: Dammit. Need to proofread more. :( -- I'm perfectle aware that me crusade against the letter Y s stupid. Let it be known that I don't care. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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KanzarisKelshen 01/02/12 3:14:00 PM #68: |
Excellent! Always good to see someone realize their concept a lil' bit more. Glad you liked it. I had to think long and hard to avoid making something ****ty and also not OP (because Euri deserved a real theme, nothing else would do). :P
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Accel ACE 01/02/12 6:09:00 PM #69: |
While I didn't have a problem with getting knocked out in the last encounter, I would like to please ask Anagram to look over the DM's Guidebook on balancing monster encounters. The encounter was fun, but Sceptile was right - it was pretty grossly unbalanced. If you aren't entirely sure how to balance things, it's always better to check over official material instead of some website.
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KanzarisKelshen 01/02/12 6:14:00 PM #70: |
Yeah - it was pretty unbalanced...in our favor. A solo with standard-level HP is just begging for an ownage, especially against accurate characters like ours. I liked the idea behind it, but it needed lots more HP.
(And quicker combat resolution. But that's unrelated to the design) -- Sburbopolis, Homestuck RPG: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/60981373 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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shadosneko 01/02/12 6:18:00 PM #71: |
From what I could tell, the amount of damage that it could do with that wing attack was higher than it should have been, also.
Am I wrong about that? -- http://backloggery.com/shados http://last.fm/user/ShadosNeko ... Copied to Clipboard!
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KanzarisKelshen 01/02/12 6:21:00 PM #72: |
From: shadosneko | #071 No, that's correct. It was an interesting tradeoff, it was just way too skewed against HP. Double or triple the HP count and the encounter is a real doozy. -- Sburbopolis, Homestuck RPG: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/60981373 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Sceptilesolarbeam 01/02/12 6:44:00 PM #73: |
Yeah, that's my conclusion. And truthfully, knowing that that was a level 7 creature, the damage difference is pretty low; I overreacted there. HP was just too low.
The real problem, though, and one I've been struggling with a bit, is keeping the fights interesting. Solo fights are often dull. That one wasn't because of how low the HP was, which made it really easy but at least kept things fresh. Having high HP makes the fight challenging, but makes it less interesting. There are several articles online about this issue and some others with the solo concept, but the simplest is simply not to take 'solo' literally. Instead of making a level+3 encounter with a solo of level+3, you can make it with a solo of around the party's level and several standard creatures as well. Another important one is for the fight to change drastically at bloodied. You could have an alternate form, like that Lolth in MM3, or just have some tense change as well. But optimally, you'd want the part of the fight from bloodied on to take less time than getting them to bloodied took, to keep things from getting stale. I'm a fan of a power like this: Blood Fury While this creature is bloodied, it has -2 to all defenses and a +1 to its attack rolls. which seems to do a lot for resolving the problem of the fight dragging on past the point of maintaining the players' interest. -- "As the size of an explosion increases, the number of social situations it is incapable of solving approaches zero." -Vaarsuvius, Order of the Stick ... Copied to Clipboard!
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KanzarisKelshen 01/02/12 6:50:00 PM #74: |
My personal favorite is just the Tiamat style - the mob acts on multiple init counts, and has a nice suite of actions, so it has about as many attacks a turn as a set of standards.
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Sceptilesolarbeam 01/02/12 6:58:00 PM #75: |
That's good for challenging the party, but it doesn't quite keep the players from getting bored.
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KanzarisKelshen 01/02/12 7:05:00 PM #76: |
From: Sceptilesolarbeam | #075 Neither does knocking defenses down, really. We hit plenty often, HP is the big roadblock! -- Sburbopolis, Homestuck RPG: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/60981373 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Anagram 01/02/12 7:52:00 PM #77: |
I promise you guys that the next Fury you'll be fighting will be neither easy nor boring, and will have a gimmick that I expect most of you will find infuriating.
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shadosneko 01/02/12 7:57:00 PM #78: |
I think you shouldn't purposely make an encounter that frustrates players.
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Sceptilesolarbeam 01/02/12 9:47:00 PM #79: |
Would you rather all the encounters be easy and no challenge at all? Difficulty is frustrating, you know. Frustration and fun are not exclusive entities.
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shadosneko 01/02/12 9:51:00 PM #80: |
Difficulty is not inherently frustrating.
Fun difficulty and frustrating difficulty is the difference between Super Mario Bros. and Silver Surfer. Frustration and fun are almost purely exclusive things, unless you like being pissed off. I don't think you have the proper definition of frustration. -- http://backloggery.com/shados http://last.fm/user/ShadosNeko ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Sceptilesolarbeam 01/02/12 9:58:00 PM #81: |
From: shadosneko | #080 Proper definition? What are you, Webster's dictionary? As I see it, difficulty is supposed to be frustrating. Something that you have to struggle to achieve is something that frustrates your initial efforts and makes you try harder. Something that doesn't get you just a little annoyed isn't really difficulty. -- "As the size of an explosion increases, the number of social situations it is incapable of solving approaches zero." -Vaarsuvius, Order of the Stick ... Copied to Clipboard!
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KanzarisKelshen 01/03/12 8:34:00 AM #82: |
Something CAN be easy and fun. It can also be nail-bitingly hard and fun. Encounters in D&D can be both. Personally I prefer the latter, unless the DM lets me know in advance that I'm gonna get to style like I'm Dante for the former. Nothing feels as clutch as praying that that last attack hits and then...DING. Crit!
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Anagram 01/03/12 9:29:00 AM #83: |
Bumpan
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Anagram 01/03/12 10:32:00 AM #84: |
In any case, guys, I feel this encounter will be well suited to the group as a whole, but especially to Kanz. You'll understand what I mean when you see it in action.
I had actually had part of this planned out before the campaign started, but I thought it might be too hard. Then everyone called Raita easy and Kanz's character was going around with crazy-ass combos, so I figured, why not?, and turned the idea into something I could use. -- Not changing this sig until I decide to change this sig. Started: July 6, 2005 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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KanzarisKelshen 01/03/12 10:46:00 AM #85: |
From: Anagram | #084  In the immortal words of a famous hero, Bring It! -- Sburbopolis, Homestuck RPG: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/60981373 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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IhatethisCPU 01/03/12 10:49:00 AM #86: |
I'd just like to point out that I, for one, at no point called the Raita fight ease. >_>'
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Anagram 01/03/12 1:16:00 PM #87: |
IhatethisCPU posted...
I'd just like to point out that I, for one, at no point called the Raita fight ease. >_>' I remember. That's why you'll be targeted first. Mwahahanot really -- Not changing this sig until I decide to change this sig. Started: July 6, 2005 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Anagram 01/04/12 9:10:00 AM #88: |
Bump
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shadosneko 01/04/12 1:17:00 PM #89: |
I still have yet to pick out my equipment. I'll try to do that tonight.
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Anagram 01/05/12 9:54:00 AM #90: |
If someone could try to help me get Maptools working, I would really appreciate it.
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Sceptilesolarbeam 01/05/12 11:03:00 AM #91: |
Someone other than me, hopefully.
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KanzarisKelshen 01/05/12 1:36:00 PM #92: |
Incidentally, should we make wishlists for our items?
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Anagram 01/05/12 5:36:00 PM #93: |
KanzarisKelshen posted...
Incidentally, should we make wishlists for our items? Like what? "Here's what I'd like to see in the future, maybe it'd be cool if we happen to run into a bad guy with it or a friendly NPC with crafting skills?" I had just kind of figured the party would meet someone capable with crafting. -- Not changing this sig until I decide to change this sig. Started: July 6, 2005 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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GenesisTwilight 01/05/12 5:44:00 PM #94: |
I have the "Enchant Magic Item" ritual >.>
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Anagram 01/05/12 6:28:00 PM #95: |
GenesisTwilight posted...
I have the "Enchant Magic Item" ritual >.> Or that! -- Not changing this sig until I decide to change this sig. Started: July 6, 2005 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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KanzarisKelshen 01/05/12 6:31:00 PM #96: |
From: Anagram | #093 Pretty much. The items we want to get. From: Anagram | #095 Doesn't work. Only crafts items to level, and you get items up to level +4. I'd really not sell a +4 item because nobody can use it, as it then gives us as much gold as a..level 4 item. One of the cornerstones of 4th Ed. is that you're supposed to get the items you want. Random loot pretty much screws the balance over. -- Sburbopolis, Homestuck RPG: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/60981373 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Anagram 01/05/12 6:37:00 PM #97: |
Well, I suppose if everyone makes a list, I could work it in somehow. But I would need every single player to make a list of some items, and for the lists to be the same length. How about everyone lists four items of appropriate power they hope to see, and I'll figure out the rest from there?
On an unrelated note, if I can't get Maptools to work tomorrow (I'm trying to get the help of a friend of mine who's good with computers), I'll have to forestall the fight I have planned because it's absolutely impossible without using a map. Don't worry, though, we can still freestyle a different fight (assuming you guys want to fight, but I expect you will). -- Not changing this sig until I decide to change this sig. Started: July 6, 2005 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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KanzarisKelshen 01/05/12 6:48:00 PM #98: |
Remember that Ditzie is an option.
As for my items: -Boots of Adept Charging -Horned Helm -Upgrade to Vae Damno (not an item in fluff, but it is for the parcels) -Power Jewel. -- Sburbopolis, Homestuck RPG: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/60981373 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Sceptilesolarbeam 01/05/12 6:50:00 PM #99: |
No need for a fight every session. But you'll have to find something. Maybe the Google Docs suggestion after all...
Anyway, I'll be a bit late again. -- "As the size of an explosion increases, the number of social situations it is incapable of solving approaches zero." -Vaarsuvius, Order of the Stick ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Sceptilesolarbeam 01/05/12 7:16:00 PM #100: |
Also, how high a level of item should I be including here? Truthfully, I don't really care for much here.
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