Board 8 > Who won, Cloud/Sephiroth or Blue/Red?

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User728
12/20/11 8:55:00 AM
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I guess that was for 3rd place...so who won that?
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BlackDra90n
12/20/11 8:56:00 AM
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Red/Blue by 10.

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Pirateking2000
12/20/11 8:56:00 AM
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Red / Blue

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Phantom_Nook
12/20/11 8:57:00 AM
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Red/Blue won with 50.01% of the vote.

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User728
12/20/11 8:57:00 AM
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From: BlackDra90n | #002
Red/Blue by 10.


Majority of this site is full of underage children, confirmed.
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AsurasKordoth
12/20/11 8:58:00 AM
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It's poll 4573 btw, I had the same problem with not knowing and changing to 4571 took me to Cloud/Link.

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janembaman
12/20/11 8:59:00 AM
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Majority of this site is full of underage children, confirmed.

Anyone that says that Pokemon is for little kids IS a little kid
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metroid composite
12/20/11 9:07:00 AM
#8:


Assuming you were old enough to read, so let's say at least 5 years old, and you played Pokemon Red/Blue when it was new, in 1998, that would make you 18 years old. If you were younger than that, why wouldn't you just start later in the seires, like Gold/Silver?

So...yeah, it's not 2002 anymore. It doesn't even make SENSE to accuse red/blue fans of being underage anymore. (For all that even in 2002, the kinds of people who said that pokemon were for kids were usually 13-16, and there were plenty of 20-something people on GameFAQs who considered red/blue to be innovative RPGs worth picking up for the gameplay).

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Pirateking2000
12/20/11 9:09:00 AM
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FateStayAlbion
12/20/11 9:17:00 AM
#10:


janembaman posted...
Majority of this site is full of underage children, confirmed.

Anyone that says that Pokemon is for little kids IS a little kid


Pokemon is for people with nostalgia of Pokemon as kids. Anyone who didn't play it as a kid won't like it now.

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My Immortal
12/20/11 9:17:00 AM
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Pokemon Red came out a year LATER than Final Fantasy VII, so the kiddy argument doesn't hold a lot of weight.

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Phantom_Nook
12/20/11 9:18:00 AM
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FateStayAlbion posted...
Pokemon is for people with nostalgia of Pokemon as kids. Anyone who didn't play it as a kid won't like it now.

Nah...

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FateStayAlbion
12/20/11 9:20:00 AM
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Phantom_Nook posted...
FateStayAlbion posted...
Pokemon is for people with nostalgia of Pokemon as kids. Anyone who didn't play it as a kid won't like it now.

Nah...


I didn't play it until I was 23 and it was junk. It had a shallow story, a bunch of immature stuff like "Smell you later!" and the designs are aimed at kids by being cute. I don't see how any adult playing it for the first time could like it.

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User728
12/20/11 9:24:00 AM
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From: janembaman | #007
Majority of this site is full of underage children, confirmed.

Anyone that says that Pokemon is for little kids IS a little kid


I just broke your theory.

From: FateStayAlbion | #010
Pokemon is for people with nostalgia of Pokemon as kids. Anyone who didn't play it as a kid won't like it now.


lolwut?

From: My Immortal | #011
Pokemon Red came out a year LATER than Final Fantasy VII, so the kiddy argument doesn't hold a lot of weight.


It still does. Kids who like the new pokemon games will still vote for the pokemon characters over the FF7 characters that they don't even know.
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spooky96
12/20/11 9:26:00 AM
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I just broke your theory.

From the Dragon Ball board, right?

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Haguile
12/20/11 9:31:00 AM
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From: FateStayAlbion | Posted: 12/20/2011 12:20:12 PM | #013
I didn't play it until I was 23 and it was junk. It had a shallow story, a bunch of immature stuff like "Smell you later!" and the designs are aimed at kids by being cute. I don't see how any adult playing it for the first time could like it.


You didn't like the series so no adult can like the series. Because you are a perfect example of behavior every adult aspires to and nobody dares to deviate even slightly from your shining example of perfection.

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FateStayAlbion
12/20/11 9:34:00 AM
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Haguile posted...
From: FateStayAlbion | Posted: 12/20/2011 12:20:12 PM | #013
I didn't play it until I was 23 and it was junk. It had a shallow story, a bunch of immature stuff like "Smell you later!" and the designs are aimed at kids by being cute. I don't see how any adult playing it for the first time could like it.
You didn't like the series so no adult can like the series. Because you are a perfect example of behavior every adult aspires to and nobody dares to deviate even slightly from your shining example of perfection.


No, I'm pretty sure its just aimed at kids. Its like how people these days still like the old cartoons from the 90s even though they were aimed at kids, but they now hate all the cartoons that come out now even though they are aimed at the same demographic. Nostalgia goggles blind people.

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Shoenin_Kakashi
12/20/11 9:35:00 AM
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From: User728 | #005
Majority of this site is full of underage children, confirmed.


The alternative isn't much more mature tbh

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Safer Sephiroth 777
12/20/11 9:35:00 AM
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I wonder how lost will the slogan<Pokemon is for kids>last.For ever I guess?Why we Pokemon fans are considered kiddies I don't get it.

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Sakurafanboy
12/20/11 9:36:00 AM
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Final Fantasy 7 is a mediocre Final Fantasy at best. Sure it was good for its time, but that isn't saying a whole lot. Final Fantasy IV and Final Fantasy VI are much, much better entries. Pokemon R/B is a freaking cult classic. You don't see how as much merchandise for Final Fantasy 7 as you do for Pokemon. Its obvious who was going to win.

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12/20/11 9:36:00 AM
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It still does. Kids who like the new pokemon games will still vote for the pokemon characters over the FF7 characters that they don't even know.

And kids who like the new FF games will still vote for the FF characters over the Pokemon characters that they don't even know. Welcome to every popularity contest for anything ever anywhere.

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Guess how many teens
12/20/11 9:37:00 AM
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I've never beat a Pokemon game in my life(and played it in total under 5 hours), and I can say with 100% certainty that everyone that says that pokemon is "for kids and losers" is either a kid or a loser. Grow up people. They are good RPGs.

I like FFVII 100x better, but my opinion is (sadly) not equal to the world its opinion.

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Haguile
12/20/11 9:38:00 AM
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From: FateStayAlbion | Posted: 12/20/2011 12:34:54 PM | #017
No, I'm pretty sure its just aimed at kids. Its like how people these days still like the old cartoons from the 90s even though they were aimed at kids, but they now hate all the cartoons that come out now even though they are aimed at the same demographic. Nostalgia goggles blind people.


Yes Albion, because something is aimed at kids absolutely no adult can ever like it. Wait no, that's not how it works at all. And people still like cartoons that come out today so uh...no, you are pretty wrong there.

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Guess how many teens
12/20/11 9:39:00 AM
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Final Fantasy 7 is a mediocre Final Fantasy at best. Sure it was good for its time, but that isn't saying a whole lot. Final Fantasy IV and Final Fantasy VI are much, much better entries. Pokemon R/B is a freaking cult classic. You don't see how as much merchandise for Final Fantasy 7 as you do for Pokemon. Its obvious who was going to win.

Pretty sure both pokemon and mario (and FFVII) have more merchandise than Zelda. Great theory bro. Next time think before you post.

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Sakurafanboy
12/20/11 9:40:00 AM
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Guess how many teens posted...
Final Fantasy 7 is a mediocre Final Fantasy at best. Sure it was good for its time, but that isn't saying a whole lot. Final Fantasy IV and Final Fantasy VI are much, much better entries. Pokemon R/B is a freaking cult classic. You don't see how as much merchandise for Final Fantasy 7 as you do for Pokemon. Its obvious who was going to win.

Pretty sure both pokemon and mario (and FFVII) have more merchandise than Zelda. Great theory bro. Next time think before you post.


Hmm....you'd be surprised actually!

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12/20/11 9:40:00 AM
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Did you ever notice that Pokemon is pretty much the only video game series in existence (aside from games rated EC) that people claim is targeted exclusively towards kids? It's rated E for a reason. Why isn't Zelda for kids? It's rated E too.

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FateStayAlbion
12/20/11 9:41:00 AM
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-hotdogturtle-- posted...
Did you ever notice that Pokemon is pretty much the only video game series in existence (aside from games rated EC) that people claim is targeted exclusively towards kids? It's rated E for a reason. Why isn't Zelda for kids? It's rated E too.

Zelda is rated E10-T these days. And the reason is because its all cutesy designs and the anime was a kids Saturday morning cartoon show.

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Safer Sephiroth 777
12/20/11 9:41:00 AM
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I guess because in Zelda you have a sword and kill stuff?

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Guess how many teens
12/20/11 9:43:00 AM
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No, I'm pretty sure its just aimed at kids. Its like how people these days still like the old cartoons from the 90s even though they were aimed at kids, but they now hate all the cartoons that come out now even though they are aimed at the same demographic. Nostalgia goggles blind people.

I'm sure there are some good new cartoons out there, I just never watch them. It's not because I've never watched them that I hate them. However, of those that I saw, either when I was younger or older, I CAN form an opinion on.

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M3D1C1NEMAN
12/20/11 9:47:00 AM
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Guess how many teens posted...
Final Fantasy 7 is a mediocre Final Fantasy at best. Sure it was good for its time, but that isn't saying a whole lot. Final Fantasy IV and Final Fantasy VI are much, much better entries. Pokemon R/B is a freaking cult classic. You don't see how as much merchandise for Final Fantasy 7 as you do for Pokemon. Its obvious who was going to win.

Pretty sure both pokemon and mario (and FFVII) have more merchandise than Zelda. Great theory bro. Next time think before you post.


In his defense, both Pokemon and Mario have iconic enemies/allies and Zelda games don't have a 'recurring set' of enemies like Mario and Pokemon usually do so making plushes and other merchandise would be specific to ONE Zelda game while making Mario and Pokemon merch would fit almost the entire series for the most part. Zelda definatly had the iconic story line over Mario IMO anyways.

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Emporer_Kazbar
12/20/11 9:50:00 AM
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My mom sure liked Pokemon when it came out. Hell, she caught Mewtwo before me. And I doubt she was the only adult on Earth who enjoyed the games when they came out.

It's obviously designed for children, but designed for children doesn't mean it can't, or shouldn't be enjoyed by those older than that.

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12/20/11 9:50:00 AM
#32:


FateStayAlbion posted...
I didn't play it until I was 23 and it was junk. It had a shallow story, a bunch of immature stuff like "Smell you later!" and the designs are aimed at kids by being cute. I don't see how any adult playing it for the first time could like it.

I was in university in 1998, and I liked pokemon quite a bit, as did several university friends, some of whom were older than myself.

What year did you play it? Because this might just be a case of "I played this game ten years after it came out and I think it sucks." See, for instance, Ulti with Super Metroid (his first playthrough) or me with HL2.

I mean, you complain about "Smell ya later", but it's a big step up from "I've baked a cake for you."

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tcaz2
12/20/11 9:51:00 AM
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From: Pirateking2000 | #009
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I love how this is completely and totally right.

Like 70% of my college was carrying around DS's playing Pokemon and trading when Heart Gold/Soul Silver and Black/White came out.

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FateStayAlbion
12/20/11 9:55:00 AM
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What year did you play it? Because this might just be a case of "I played this game ten years after it came out and I think it sucks." See, for instance, Ulti with Super Metroid (his first playthrough) or me with HL2.

I played it when it was making its run in that contest back in 2009, to see what all the love for it was about. I played the GBA version too since thats the one people recommended to me. I just couldn't "get" it, and this is as a big JRPG fan. The battles were shallow, the characters were shallow, there was little story to care about, and everything just seemed so happy and colorful. Even the "Villains" weren't really bad guys. It felt like it was some kids Saturday morning cartoon kinda story. I do play RPGs mainly for the story, so that might be my issue with it.

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janembaman
12/20/11 9:59:00 AM
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Pokemon is for people with nostalgia of Pokemon as kids. Anyone who didn't play it as a kid won't like it now.

While im a big fan of Pokemon...tbqh I can't counter what you just said
I'm 23 and I still love Pokemon...and I even decided to watch the whole anime in one big marathon that lasted 1 year(it was terrible and I was forcing myself to do so,though)
But yeah...I can't say that if you never played Pokemon and you are 20+ you will enjoy this...
(no 20+ would enjoy the anime as well...not even Kanto)
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Safer Sephiroth 777
12/20/11 10:01:00 AM
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I don't get it.Pokemon is an old school JRPG.If you like old school JRPG's you like Pokemon.Simple.

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insanity domain
12/20/11 10:02:00 AM
#37:


LOL at people playing games for the story.

Gameplay is all that matters, you fools.

A game could have the greatest story ever written, but if it plays like Superman 64, what's the point?

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User728
12/20/11 10:02:00 AM
#38:


I misinterpreted FSA's first post. I agree with him though.

From: Shoenin_Kakashi | #018
The alternative isn't much more mature tbh


FF7 is much more mature.

From: Sakurafanboy | #020
Final Fantasy 7 is a mediocre Final Fantasy at best. Sure it was good for its time, but that isn't saying a whole lot. Final Fantasy IV and Final Fantasy VI are much, much better entries. Pokemon R/B is a freaking cult classic. You don't see how as much merchandise for Final Fantasy 7 as you do for Pokemon. Its obvious who was going to win.


I agree that FF6 and 4 are far and away the best FFs...but FF7 is still up there (my 4th favorite after FF6, FF4, and FFT)...and regardless of how it ranks, it is still geared more toward adults than Pokemon is.


From: -hotdogturtle-- | #021
It still does. Kids who like the new pokemon games will still vote for the pokemon characters over the FF7 characters that they don't even know.

And kids who like the new FF games will still vote for the FF characters over the Pokemon characters that they don't even know. Welcome to every popularity contest for anything ever anywhere.


I agree....it doesn't at all debunk the point of the argument (that Pokemon is for children) but I wholeheartedly agree with your post.

From: Guess how many teens | #022
I've never beat a Pokemon game in my life(and played it in total under 5 hours), and I can say with 100% certainty that everyone that says that pokemon is "for kids and losers" is either a kid or a loser. Grow up people. They are good RPGs.


They are pretty awful as far as RPGs go. Without the "collection" aspect, the games would be incredibly unpopular. No character development, awful enemies, not much of a storyline, and the leveling up is pretty outdated.

From: Sakurafanboy | #025
Hmm....you'd be surprised actually!


No...Guess how many teens just owned you.

From: -hotdogturtle-- | #026
Did you ever notice that Pokemon is pretty much the only video game series in existence (aside from games rated EC) that people claim is targeted exclusively towards kids? It's rated E for a reason. Why isn't Zelda for kids? It's rated E too.


Take a wild guess.
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muddersmilk
12/20/11 10:02:00 AM
#39:


Pirateking2000 posted...
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That's not even true anymore. I volunteer with high school kids and the football team has pokemon tournaments on the bus to away games.

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FateStayAlbion
12/20/11 10:04:00 AM
#40:


insanity domain posted...
LOL at people playing games for the story.

Gameplay is all that matters, you fools.

A game could have the greatest story ever written, but if it plays like Superman 64, what's the point?


Never played any visual novels, have you?

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Haguile
12/20/11 10:05:00 AM
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From: FateStayAlbion | Posted: 12/20/2011 1:04:17 PM | #040
Never played any visual novels, have you?


I'll admit, your talent to making topics reach 500 is so amazing I can never quite tell if it's intentional or not. I'll leave the topic before the inevitably dumb discussion following your post happens.

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Shoenin_Kakashi
12/20/11 10:08:00 AM
#42:


Me and my friends still play pokemon

Hell, one of my friends named a Slaking his son.

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TMW001
12/20/11 10:13:00 AM
#43:


User728 posted...
From: BlackDra90n | #002
Red/Blue by 10.
Majority of this site is full of underage children, confirmed.


What upset that your shemale characters lost to a pair of true rivals?
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Vlado
12/20/11 10:22:00 AM
#44:


Safer Sephiroth 777 posted...
I don't get it.Pokemon is an old school JRPG.If you like old school JRPG's you like Pokemon.Simple.

Wrong. That's like saying if you like racing games, you like Big Rigs.

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FateStayAlbion
12/20/11 10:25:00 AM
#45:


Vlado posted...
Safer Sephiroth 777 posted...
I don't get it.Pokemon is an old school JRPG.If you like old school JRPG's you like Pokemon.Simple.

Wrong. That's like saying if you like racing games, you like Big Rigs.


Well I wouldn't go that far. Some of the main things I like in JRPGs are getting party members, the interaction between them and the story. Pokemon doesn't really have that. If it actually had party members and interactions between them, I'd probably like it more.

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12/20/11 10:27:00 AM
#46:


I played Pokemon for the first time when I was 18 (1999). Loved it, have been playing since.

I played FFVII for the first time when I was 16 (1997), thought it was mediocre and that Sephiroth looked like a girl.

I've played FFVII at least 3 more times since then and every time I am reminded of how mediocre it is and can never understand why people think it's the greatest game ever.

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12/20/11 10:27:00 AM
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Pirateking2000 posted...
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I love the one annoyed dude in the last panel.

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pjbasis
12/20/11 10:28:00 AM
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10 votes guys

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Vlado
12/20/11 10:30:00 AM
#49:


MarvelousGerbil posted...
Pirateking2000 posted...
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I love the one annoyed dude in the last panel.


Ha, that's a good comic. Applies very well to this site.

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FateStayAlbion
12/20/11 10:30:00 AM
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I've played FFVII at least 3 more times since then and every time I am reminded of how mediocre it is and can never understand why people think it's the greatest game ever.

You've put like 160-200 hours into a game and you're saying it sucks?

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