Board 8 > So, uh, Phoenix Wright in UMVC3 got nerfed.

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KamikazePotato
12/19/11 8:18:00 AM
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His invincible assist is no longer invincible.

Well, it was fun being interested in you while it lasted, Marvel.

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WazzupGenius00
12/19/11 8:19:00 AM
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The_Djoker
12/19/11 8:22:00 AM
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just when you thought this game couldn't get worse.

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KamikazePotato
12/19/11 8:23:00 AM
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I saw that previous topic. I felt a new topic was still warranted.

I mean, I basically bought the game for Wright. Him being near-worthless tier was one thing. I could make it work. Him being near-worthless tier and then getting nerfed at the first possible opportunity is like...really? Totally kills my drive to play the game.

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transcience
12/19/11 1:14:00 PM
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so you were okay with him being terrible but an assist not being invincible is what did you in? wha? you aren't even really using him if that's the case.

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Shoenin_Kakashi
12/19/11 1:17:00 PM
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It was stupid he had an invincible assist to begin with.

Even Hisen-ko took damage.

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Dauntless Hunter
12/19/11 2:01:00 PM
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So is the assist not invincible at all anymore, or does it just have a reduced invincibility window, or what? Because fully invincible to fully vulnerable is kind of a stupid switch, not even Haggar lost ALL of his invincibility frames.

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KamikazePotato
12/19/11 2:04:00 PM
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transcience posted...
so you were okay with him being terrible but an assist not being invincible is what did you in? wha? you aren't even really using him if that's the case.

Yeah, you have no idea how MVC works.

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Lopen
12/19/11 2:10:00 PM
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Tranny's kinda right though. When I play Phoenix my goal certainly isn't to enter turnabout and tag out. It's to enter turnabout mode and beat some ass.

I honestly don't have a problem with this as long as he still has a good amount of invincibility like Haggar or something. A fully invincible assist is dumb as Kakashi said.

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KamikazePotato
12/19/11 2:13:00 PM
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You get turnabout, tag out, use the assist, and them wreck face with Level 3 X-factor Turnabout Phoenix Wright later if necessary. Standard turnabout isn't even good - people can just super jump away from it and it will run out.

The fully invincible assist wasn't dumb because it was the only thing keeping Wright from being one of the worst characters in fighting game history. The fact that guys like Wesker get left unchanged and Phoenix gets nerfed is hilariously bad in just about every way. Now, it has no invincibility whatsoever.

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FateStayAlbion
12/19/11 2:15:00 PM
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Every game needs its Dan

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Lopen
12/19/11 2:17:00 PM
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Standard turnabout is pretty sick. I don't think just super jumping away is viable. The moves get so much AoE coverage in that mode that tagging people when they land is kinda trivial.

That being said I won't deny that Phoenix Wright's invincible assist should be like... way down there for rebalancing priorities. Which makes me think it wasn't a rebalance as much as changing him to "work as intended," sadly.

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Dauntless Hunter
12/19/11 2:18:00 PM
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Yeah Wesker being as good as he was in Vanilla, getting buffed for Ultimate, and then NOT being nerfed in the balance patch is just a little what.

He's basically the best character on point AND on assist. If you could pick three Weskers, you'd do it.

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KamikazePotato
12/19/11 2:18:00 PM
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I don't think just super jumping away is viable.

If you super jump continuously, all you'll take is some chip, and not a lot. This isn't even counting the characters that can just play outrun you or hover/fly/teleport away. All while you're on a timer.

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Shoenin_Kakashi
12/19/11 2:23:00 PM
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That's no different from Hisen-ko. Least he still has decent enough zoning tools, thats more than Arthur or Hisen-ko have.

It was dumb. Haggar's and Tron's assists were dumb, and no one denied that. If you were only using Wright for the assist you weren't using him right anyways.

Basically without the invincibility its just a wall-bounce version of Frank's cart.

Wesker did get nerfed from Vanilla to Ultimate, but then they do something stupid to offset that nerf(which was dumb).His Assist is only for OTG anyways, didn't have much value or safety in anything else.

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KamikazePotato
12/19/11 2:24:00 PM
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Haggar and Tron's assists didn't take work to get. You could use them right off the bat. Wright has to get the evidence and land the objection. It isn't a sure thing. Without the invincibility, it's totally useless. It doesn't go nearly far or fast enough and leave Wright open forever.

And while Tron's assist was overpowered (Haggar's is mostly the same), when they nerfed it everyone relegated her to trash tier, which she is. That's the big issue here - they took away the only thing keeping him from trash tier, and didn't give him anything in return. It's bad balancing, especially when there are very, very obvious things to balance.

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Lopen
12/19/11 2:24:00 PM
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If you've got the right assist setup you can either make the chip non trivial by locking them down, or start a mixup fairly easily on lands. Which you should because you're using a team that has Phoenix Wright on it.

That being said yes flying is definitely a problem. Is for most characters though.

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Lopen
12/19/11 2:26:00 PM
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Where are the patch notes for this anyway.

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KamikazePotato
12/19/11 2:28:00 PM
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There aren't any patch notes.

And you can't just 'lock them down' easily. Wright is one of the least-mobile characters in the game. Anything he does to try and catch the enemy is going to be very predictable. Try 'locking down' a teleporting Vergil - its essentially impossible. There's nothing to say that they're just going to only repeatedly super jump. They have options.

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Shoenin_Kakashi
12/19/11 2:29:00 PM
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Tron was always bad on point, The reason she went to bottom is they nerfed her J.h, not because they gave gustaff an actual hitbox that isn't the size of my finger.

Haggar is decent enough now on Point thanks to the OTG opening up possibilities. He still gets laughed at by zoners/space controlers though.


have you considered try using paperwork?

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KamikazePotato
12/19/11 2:31:00 PM
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Tron was bad on point but she had the assist to make up for it and make her a worthwhile character. If they wanted to remove stupid assists, which I think is fine, they should have given her something to make up for it. They didn't. They did the same thing to Wright, and neither of them are going to be seen ever again.

Paperwork is 'okay'. The best assist Wright has now is probably the Missile assist, which isn't bad but isn't anywhere near as good.

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Dauntless Hunter
12/19/11 2:35:00 PM
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From: Shoenin_Kakashi | #016
Wesker did get nerfed from Vanilla to Ultimate, but then they do something stupid to offset that nerf(which was dumb).His Assist is only for OTG anyways, didn't have much value or safety in anything else.


Yes, his assist is only good for OTG, but it is THE BEST OTG ASSIST IN THE GAME. IIRC, it comes out faster than any other OTG assist. Ghost Rider's is equally fast, but does 3 hits to Wesker's 1 so it's worse for scaling. And OTG assists can be a pretty big deal since they let you do all kinds of huge combos you couldn't otherwise.

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Lopen
12/19/11 2:39:00 PM
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Eh I think it's tougher to get away than you think if you've got the right assists backing you up. Assists are usually the key to catching people who are running away anyway unless you have like a teleport. Who are the guys you use with Phoenix anyway?

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SSJSephirothGokuX123
12/19/11 2:46:00 PM
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Actually they nerfed Tron's jumping H which means she has no great normals on point and is considered the worst character in the game right now.

Capcom's game balance team is silly, they must have gotten a new balance team after Super Street Fighter 4, since I have no idea how they make one of the most balanced fighters ever, decide to nerf almost everyone and add 2 new broken characters. Tatsunoko vs Capcom USA was pretty balanced barred Zero as well dunno what went wrong at Marvel.

Also I find it ironic that in the rebalancing of MvC3 almost none of the lesser used characters became more popular and even nerfed top tiers still get way more play.

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KamikazePotato
12/19/11 2:47:00 PM
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Dante/Jam Session and Ammy/Cold Star. They're great for catching people, but smart people will still get away pretty easily.

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SythaWarrior
12/19/11 2:50:00 PM
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From: SSJSephirothGokuX123 | #025
Actually they nerfed Tron's jumping H which means she has no great normals on point and is considered the worst character in the game right now.

Capcom's game balance team is silly, they must have gotten a new balance team after Super Street Fighter 4, since I have no idea how they make one of the most balanced fighters ever, decide to nerf almost everyone and add 2 new broken characters. Tatsunoko vs Capcom USA was pretty balanced barred Zero as well dunno what went wrong at Marvel.

Also I find it ironic that in the rebalancing of MvC3 almost none of the lesser used characters became more popular and even nerfed top tiers still get way more play.





There is a reason for this. The best players will continue to be the best players and they'll use whatever they like/think they can win with and the tiers will revolve around what they play. The game doesn't have a super extensive arcade scene for Capcom to look at like SSF4 does in Japan.

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TheArkOfTurus
12/19/11 3:26:00 PM
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You know, there's a card in HvH that lets you call an assist even while you're getting attacked at the cost of meter. I wonder how much that had to do with this. Probably nothing, but it'd be funny to turn MvC3 into Jump Ultimate Stars.

Of course, you can still use that with gold Hsien-Ko, and it's still hilariously broken.

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Liwakip
12/19/11 4:01:00 PM
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it'd be funny to turn MvC3 into Jump Ultimate Stars.

oh god trunks 3

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KanzarisKelshen
12/19/11 4:10:00 PM
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Phoenix got buffed actually. Go fire up Ace Attorney and see!

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Shoenin_Kakashi
12/19/11 4:13:00 PM
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Trunks and Sena are Bull**** assists in that game

Bull****. Poor Seiya getting dragged with them despite him never really being that godly of an assist.

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swirIdude
12/19/11 4:39:00 PM
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I know JUS wasn't designed to be balanced but damn Sena was a cheap *****.

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