Board 8 > Best OST Contest LOSER'S BRACKET FINALS: Chrono Cross vs Guilty Gear X

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azuarc
12/13/11 5:26:00 AM
#1:


Super condensed rules: Listen to both songs, vote on the songs by giving song titles, no contest shenanigans

The bracket: http://www.bracketmaker.com/tlist.cfm?tid=410364
Discussion thread: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/60522913
Spreadsheet of participants, song choices, and matches: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AoS8GGHS9FDGdFprRGpQa3ZtRGcwTTM5VTQ2SWViUGc&hl=en_US


Previous results:

a. In another rout that nobody could have *possibly* seen coming, Scars of Time beats another song. I would say it doesn't even matter what the other song was, except I want to give some props to Portrait of Ruin for getting this far. The game has won SEVEN matches in the loser's bracket, plus one in the winner's bracket. The only game that came close to matching that performance was YS 7. Iron Blue Intention may not have been good enough to beat the board's darling, but let's give credit where it's due. Chrono Cross advances to the Loser's Bracket Championship, 17-8.

b. After a tie on the first pass, Sora decides to assert itself in the finals, with the alternate track, Icarus, issuing a dominating performance over Castle Crashers's skipped track, Simple Sight. Ladies and gents, your Just-For-Fun bracket winner, by a margin of 11-7, is SORA!

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LB Bracket Winner - Chrono Cross
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Winner's Bracket Runner-up - Guilty Gear X

THIS ROUND IS A BEST OF THREE

Short form:
Match 1: Magical Dreamers -OR- Blue Water Blue Sky
Match 2: The Girl Who Stole the Stars -OR- The Original
Match 3: Life - A Distant Promise -OR- Writhe in Pain

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Match 1

Magical Dreamers: The Wind, Star and Waves


Blue Water Blue Sky


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Match 2

The Girl Who Stole the Stars


The Original


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Match 3

Life ~ A Distant Promise
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Hannyabal
12/13/11 5:28:00 AM
#2:


Magical Dreamers
The Girl Who Stole the Stars
Life - A Distant Promise

umm...yeah. I really like Chrono Cross here.

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KanzarisKelshen
12/13/11 5:36:00 AM
#3:


Magical Dreamers
The Girl Who Stole The Stars
Life ~ A Distant Promise

Total stomp. Sorry GGX, but your first three tracks can't measure up to the brutally loaded list CC brings to play. This would be close with the last three, though.

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azuarc
12/13/11 5:43:00 AM
#4:


Did you guys even listen?


This would be close with the last three, though.
Against TDtTD, DotSBAW, and SoT?


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KanzarisKelshen
12/13/11 5:44:00 AM
#5:


From: azuarc | #004
Did you guys even listen?


This would be close with the last three, though.
Against TDtTD, DotSBAW, and SoT?


Yeah. I'm the one who made the list for CC and the only track I'd take without a second thought would be SoT. That's purely my own opinion.

And of course I listened, but the first match was one I'd hand to CC automatically, because Magical Dreamers is one of my favorite videogame pieces outright and none of GGs tracks could take it except maybe Still in the Dark. The other two just aren't close because I'd have picked other songs for GGX there, they're not my favorites by any stretch.

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azuarc
12/13/11 5:53:00 AM
#6:


I hope you understand I do have to ask when the post comes in in less than the time it would take to listen to all six songs.


Match 1: Magical Dreamers
Match 2: The Original
Match 3: Life - A Distant Promise

I almost feel like we should be bolding our GGX picks to call attention to them. OTOH, I had to actually think about all three of these matches. None were automatic, even though I love Life - ADP. Having gone through them, I wouldn't have felt weird if I had picked a sweep for GG.
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KanzarisKelshen
12/13/11 6:09:00 AM
#7:


Call it pulling a Lady Madonna: I listened to the musics play in my head when I cast a vote (that, and I listened to GG tracks yesterday to celebrate something so I had them present). :P

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KCF0107
12/13/11 6:24:00 AM
#8:


Blue Water Blue Sky

The Girl Who Stole the Stars

Writhe in Pain

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The Mana Sword
12/13/11 6:25:00 AM
#9:


Magical Dreamers
The Girl Who Stole The Stars
Life ~ A Distant Promise

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FL81
12/13/11 6:33:00 AM
#10:


Blue Water Blue Sky
The Original
Writhe in Pain

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Mega Mana
12/13/11 6:37:00 AM
#11:


Blue Water Blue Sky
The Original
Writhe in Pain

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todbot1
12/13/11 8:42:00 AM
#13:


Blue Water Blue Sky
The Original
Writhe in Pain

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Hannyabal
12/13/11 9:05:00 AM
#14:


From: azuarc | #006
I hope you understand I do have to ask when the post comes in in less than the time it would take to listen to all six songs.


I familiarized myself with both of the soundtracks, having already suspected that this would be the format (albeit I assumed it would be all 7).

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SuperAngelo128
12/13/11 10:03:00 AM
#15:


Blue Water Blue Sky
The Original
Life ~ Faraway Promise

I dunno why kurtfisto was dumb and frontloaded

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sonten1
12/13/11 10:29:00 AM
#16:


Magical Dreamers
The Original
Life ~ A Distant Promise

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Ultimaphazon
12/13/11 10:29:00 AM
#17:


Blue Water Blue Sky
The Girl Who Stole The Stars
Life - A Distant Promise

So, how is the winner of this decided? Whoever wins the most matches moves on? Or does the total number of votes for that soundtrack count?

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SuperAngelo128
12/13/11 10:38:00 AM
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Best two out of 3 assumingly

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StifledSilence
12/13/11 10:41:00 AM
#19:


Magical Dreamers
The Girl Who Stole the Stars
Life - A Distant Promise

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shadosneko
12/13/11 10:44:00 AM
#20:


Blue Water Blue Sky
The Original
Writhe in Pain


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dowolf
12/13/11 12:05:00 PM
#21:


Blue Water, Blue Sky
The Girl who Stole the Stars
Writhe in Pain

... no Time of the Dreamwatch or Scars of Time for CC? Weird.

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azuarc
12/13/11 12:20:00 PM
#22:


dowolf posted...
Blue Water, Blue Sky
The Girl who Stole the Stars
Writhe in Pain

... no Time of the Dreamwatch or Scars of Time for CC? Weird.


Songs 4-5-6 are tomorrow against AT2. Those are 5 & 6.

And yes, whoever takes 2 of the 3 matches. Even if it's 10-9, 10-9, 0-19, it goes to the 10-9's.
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TheKnightOfNee
12/13/11 12:28:00 PM
#23:


Magical Dreamers
The Original
Writhe in Pain

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TsunamiXXVIII
12/13/11 12:30:00 PM
#24:


First match is very close; both songs are very good. Slight edge to Blue Water Blue Sky.

Second match isn't. The Original, while starting out kind of weak, ends up decent thanks to the presence of a saxophone, but honestly it didn't matter because there's no way I was gonna vote for The Girl Who Stole the Stars.

God, Chrono Cross, would you please stop doing this? A couple of matches ago, when Scars of Time was taking on Shadowlord, I almost dismissed it as "merely boring" as opposed to the awful Shadowlord, but it turned out to actually be good. Likewise, Life ~ A Distant Promise started out so dull that I was almost ready to move on to the next song, and then it redeemed itself. Definitely not bad for Square Epic Cutscene Background Music, but, well...it's still the type of music that's suited to a deeply moving cutscene. Writhe In Pain wins this one easily--epic rocking, hell yes!

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HeroicGammaRay
12/13/11 12:42:00 PM
#26:


magical dreamers
girl who stole the stars
writhe in pain
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Ikon
12/13/11 12:46:00 PM
#27:


Blue Water Blue Sky
The Girl Who Stole the Stars
Writhe in Pain

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azuarc
12/13/11 12:47:00 PM
#28:


MycroProcessor posted...
I THINK all of my votes would be for the Chrono Cross tracks if this was based on the round 4-6 tracks.

Given what the 4-5-6 are, I think that would be a statement out of a lot of people's mouths.

I had picked this format two months ago without credence for who would be here. I wanted the final three for the grand finals. I had toyed with doing 1-3-5 and then 2-4-6, but this is what I picked. Back then. I'm not going to change it to accommodate Chrono Cross. Other than maybe The Girl Who Stole the Stars, I don't see the other CC songs as all that weak, so I didn't really see the issue. You could certainly say that a game that frontloaded would have an advantage here...except a game that frontloaded wouldn't *be* here.

Anyway, what is, is. If Guilty Gear earns a rematch with Ar Tonelico, track 6 would be replaced with the alternate since those two songs have already gone head-to-head.
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HeroicGammaRay
12/13/11 12:49:00 PM
#29:


two of cc's songs here are better than scars tbqh
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KanzarisKelshen
12/13/11 12:56:00 PM
#30:


From: azuarc | #028
MycroProcessor posted...
I THINK all of my votes would be for the Chrono Cross tracks if this was based on the round 4-6 tracks.

Given what the 4-5-6 are, I think that would be a statement out of a lot of people's mouths.

I had picked this format two months ago without credence for who would be here. I wanted the final three for the grand finals. I had toyed with doing 1-3-5 and then 2-4-6, but this is what I picked. Back then. I'm not going to change it to accommodate Chrono Cross. Other than maybe The Girl Who Stole the Stars, I don't see the other CC songs as all that weak, so I didn't really see the issue. You could certainly say that a game that frontloaded would have an advantage here...except a game that frontloaded wouldn't *be* here.

Anyway, what is, is. If Guilty Gear earns a rematch with Ar Tonelico, track 6 would be replaced with the alternate since those two songs have already gone head-to-head.


I alwas assumed the grand finals would simply be...you know, all seven songs together. Would have made more sense honestly.

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Orochimaru_Fan
12/13/11 1:30:00 PM
#31:


Blue Water Blue Sky
Easy decision.

The Girl Who Stole the Stars
That... isn't even the best version of The Girl Who Stole the Stars. Still, easy enough decision here.

Life ~ A Distant Promise
Personal favourite CC track vs merely-better-than-average GGX track. Yeah... gonna go with Life here. On another note, I have to say, aside from Magical Dreamers, which is basically meh, I might actually prefer the front half of CC's track list here :O
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xp1337
12/13/11 1:31:00 PM
#32:


Blue Water Blue Sky
The Original
Life ~ A Distant Promise


I've never cared for Magical Dreamers at all, so first match is easy. ...Basically the same story in the second match. By the third match though Chrono Cross starts entering its better songs and so can win this match.


I alwas assumed the grand finals would simply be...you know, all seven songs together. Would have made more sense honestly.

...No it wouldn't! What do you do if AT2 loses that (which odds are it probably does)? It's still not eliminated and now you've burned through all the songs. You're also in a difficult position if it ends in a tie, though that'd be harder to pull off if you had all 7 songs there.

...What would you do for Day 2?

Really though, this seems like a pretty silly hypothetical. Assuming Chrono Cross wins here, you're still going to get everything but the Alts facing off unless AT2 manages to defeat 2 of Time of the Dreamwatch/Dreams of the Shore/Scars of Time.

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KanzarisKelshen
12/13/11 1:59:00 PM
#35:


From: UltimaterializerX | #034
And yes I vote for CC across the board.




Doesn't work like that. You need to vote for the track names or it doesn't count.

From: xp1337 | #032
I alwas assumed the grand finals would simply be...you know, all seven songs together. Would have made more sense honestly.

...No it wouldn't! What do you do if AT2 loses that (which odds are it probably does)? It's still not eliminated and now you've burned through all the songs. You're also in a difficult position if it ends in a tie, though that'd be harder to pull off if you had all 7 songs there.

...What would you do for Day 2?

Really though, this seems like a pretty silly hypothetical. Assuming Chrono Cross wins here, you're still going to get everything but the Alts facing off unless AT2 manages to defeat 2 of Time of the Dreamwatch/Dreams of the Shore/Scars of Time.


You repeat the Magnificent Seven setup. Not exactly complicated, you know. There's a rule th at applies to everything that works here: make sure things work first and make sure they're fancy later.

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diamondh76
12/13/11 2:25:00 PM
#36:


Blue Water Blue Sky
The Original
Writhe in Pain

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Bigwig_rah
12/13/11 2:28:00 PM
#37:


Magical Dreamers
The Girl Who Stole the Stars
Life - A Distant Promise

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KneazleGirl
12/13/11 3:32:00 PM
#38:


Magical Dreamers
The Original
Life ~ A Distant Promise

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Celtic Guardian 7
12/13/11 3:41:00 PM
#39:


I can confirm that azuarc had planned this set up ahead of time.

Will vote in a little bit, but I foresee Chrono Cross curbstomping GGX for me.

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Lazy_Haar
12/13/11 3:45:00 PM
#40:


Magical Dreamers
The Girl Who Stole the Stars
Life - A Distant Promise
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Xuxon
12/13/11 3:49:00 PM
#41:


Magical Dreamers
The Girl Who Stole the Stars
Writhe in Pain

Kid's theme is awesome, nothing else is particularly good or bad.
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xp1337
12/13/11 4:51:00 PM
#42:


You repeat the Magnificent Seven setup. Not exactly complicated, you know. There's a rule th at applies to everything that works here: make sure things work first and make sure they're fancy later.

...But how exactly does that work? It kind of violates the idea of double elimination. In your case, if the LB winner wins under this format, why did you even make this double elimination because in most cases, you've basically killed the WB winner in one match because you're just repeating the same exact thing in the next round. I only see this format idea working well in a single elimination tournament because in that case you don't even have to worry about something like that.

Here, because it's double-elimination we should be at least trying to pretend that winning the WB actually meant something and that losing Day 1 isn't practically equivalent to an elimination for the WB winner.

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Team Rocket Elite
12/13/11 5:03:00 PM
#43:


Blue Water Blue Sky
The Girl Who Stole the Stars
Writhe in Pain

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azuarc
12/13/11 9:09:00 PM
#44:


bump
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Celtic Guardian 7
12/13/11 9:40:00 PM
#45:


Magical Dreamers: The Wind, Star and Waves
The Girl Who Stole the Stars
Life ~ A Distant Promise

I actually really like Magical Dreamers: The Wind, Star and Waves. Blue Water Blue Sky is all right, perhaps even better than that, but not as good. The second match is incredibly easy for me. I like The Girl Who Stole the Stars and I still don't get the love for The Original. As for the third match, I actually found myself liking Writhe in Pain, and I think I did the first round it was in. Life ~ A Distant Promise edges it out though. So yeah, Chrono Cross curbstomping, but I did relisten to them to make sure that opinion held. Writhe in Pain came closest to proving me wrong.

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KanzarisKelshen
12/13/11 10:25:00 PM
#46:


From: xp1337 | #042
You repeat the Magnificent Seven setup. Not exactly complicated, you know. There's a rule th at applies to everything that works here: make sure things work first and make sure they're fancy later.

...But how exactly does that work? It kind of violates the idea of double elimination. In your case, if the LB winner wins under this format, why did you even make this double elimination because in most cases, you've basically killed the WB winner in one match because you're just repeating the same exact thing in the next round. I only see this format idea working well in a single elimination tournament because in that case you don't even have to worry about something like that.

Here, because it's double-elimination we should be at least trying to pretend that winning the WB actually meant something and that losing Day 1 isn't practically equivalent to an elimination for the WB winner.


Use a champion, then. Not exactly complicated to come up with setups where you're going to see the songs people want to see, instead of the songs the listmaker set up to maximize the chances of getting far!

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