Board 8 > [MPFC] Most Powerful Fictional Character Ultra Spicy Match # 2: Gilgamesh vs Red

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Achromatic
12/08/11 12:18:00 AM
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The Bracket: http://www.bracketmaker.com/tmenu.cfm?&tid=414772&tclass=

People who are not allowed to vote: Kanz

Last Match: Gildarts doesn't fare any better against Deathwing than he did against his other black dragon, despite the interesting mechanics of Crash Magic. Deathwing > Gildarts by a score of 7-3.

THERE WILL BE FATE AND POKEMON MANGA SPOILERS IN THIS TOPIC

Gilgamesh

From Fate/Zero, Gilgamesh is one of the Servants summoned to fight in the Holy Grail War. Believing himself superior to all, Gilgamesh often fights with the Gate of Babylon, which summons a massive volley of legendary weapons that he uses as if they were common arrows, thus giving credence to his class of "Archer"; he will occasionally pick up some of these weapons and use it himself, but only if he believes his opponent is worthy. The weapons he summons in this method are the original weapons, as he is quite the collector.

Gilgamesh's other attacks include Enkidu, an attack created specifically to immobilize and defeat divinity, and Ea, which uses the sword Enuma Elish in a very, very destructive attack; the sword is described as “the sword that cut the world apart.”


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Red

From Pokemon Adventures, Red is a Pokemon trainer. Known as 'the Fighter,' Red's specialty is battling; he almost never loses a match. Though Red is somewhat sentimental and prefers an honorable fight, he isn’t adverse to using tactics such as using multiple Pokemon at once, attacking the trainer, and getting involved in the battles personally when the stakes are high.

Red currently has in his command Poliwrath, Pikachu, Venusaur, Snorlax, Aerodactyl, and Gyarados, all of which are Level 80+. Poliwrath excels at physical attacks and Ice Beam; Pikachu is a diverse fighter with standard electric moves as well as Substitute (which creates a copy that fades after a few seconds) and Toxic (a poison move); Venusaur is one of Red's most powerful Pokemon, having bested a Charizard in combat and learned SolarBeam, a grass-type beam attack; Snorlax is one of the most physically powerful members of Red's team, with a diverse array of moves; Aerodactyl is strong enough to carry the entire weight of Red's team while flying and can use Rock Head, which prevents recoil damage; and Gyarados knows a variety of water moves.


The fight takes place in a one hundred mile grassy meadow with the occasional boulder scattered throughout.

Please remember that the write-ups are merely summations of a character. They will not usually tell the complete and detailed story of a fighter. Keep an open mind if someone brings evidence to the table for or against someone, as the stated goal is to determine who wins in a fight and not who is your personal favorite. Thanks and have fun.
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Lopen
12/08/11 12:29:00 AM
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Gilgamesh

Volley of noble phantasms fired out of the gate of babylon can probably kill Red and all of his Pokemon at once due to the massive amount of space they're going to take up and the destructive power they have. And I'm not sure any of Red's Pokemon actually have the output to really hurt him anyway since they don't really have magic weapons. And I don't see Gilgamesh taking much time to get annoyed here and send a hailstorm of legendary weapons down because he probably considers fighting animals to be below him.

Especially since apparently the typical Red strategy isn't to bum rush with all his Pokemon. Don't see him being able to block the first "get out of my sight" volley that he usually does even if he hides behind Pokemon.

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KanzarisKelshen
12/08/11 12:35:00 AM
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Yeah uh, Gilgamesh has this. Maybe if Red had Mewtwo or Deoxys, but he doesn't.

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Natwaf_akidna
12/08/11 12:36:00 AM
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So... does any of Red's attack qualify as magic?

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KanzarisKelshen
12/08/11 12:37:00 AM
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From: Natwaf_akidna | #004
So... does any of Red's attack qualify as magic?


Considering magic exists within the pokemon universe...no, not really. And even if they did Gil far, far, faaaaaar outclasses the pokemon team.

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Shoenin_Kakashi
12/08/11 12:41:00 AM
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What the hell is this


Gilgamesh

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Natwaf_akidna
12/08/11 12:41:00 AM
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Welp, there goes any chance of winning.

Gilgamesh

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Lopen
12/08/11 12:43:00 AM
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I'm pretty sure any random weapon Gilgamesh would fire could OHKO half of Red's Pokemon given the things wreck buildings at minimum. Snorlax and Aerodactyl might take a few. But given Gilgamesh's typical strategy is to fire like 40 of them in a deluge I don't see Red standing against the first volley. This match literally takes like 10 seconds.

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Natwaf_akidna
12/08/11 12:45:00 AM
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So... what else is there to discuss...

is Gilgy the strongest Archer?

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The Destoyer
12/08/11 12:45:00 AM
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I'd consider any elemental/whatever attacks by the pokemon to be "magical enough"

but even then it's hard to imagine them doing much to Gil before he shreds them

Gilgamesh

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KanzarisKelshen
12/08/11 12:50:00 AM
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From: Natwaf_akidna | #009
So... what else is there to discuss...

is Gilgy the strongest Archer?


Probably not because he fights like an idiot.

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Lopen
12/08/11 12:54:00 AM
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Gilgamesh is weird in that he fights perfectly if you assume he utterly outclasses his opponent like he does here. No nonsense just nonchalantly tosses a bucket of rocket weapons at you and you die like the mongrel you are.

But yeah if he's actually got a decent match against him his cockiness can bite him. He's probably still better than Fate/Stay Archer though.

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Natwaf_akidna
12/08/11 12:58:00 AM
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I only know 3 of them, the ones from Zero, Stay Night, and Extra, and Gilgy's the best in direct combat from what I've seen.

Though under certain conditions the one from Extra is pretty beastly.

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redrocket
12/08/11 1:29:00 AM
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Man, Red sure is wasted here.

Gilgamesh

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DeathChicken
12/08/11 3:41:00 AM
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Gilgamesh. Ignoring the whole herp a derp immune to everything not magic argument, he's still way too strong to lose this

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kurtfisto
12/08/11 3:58:00 AM
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Gilgamesh doesn't even have to try.

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GANON1025
12/08/11 10:03:00 AM
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Gilgamesh

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Pirateking2000
12/08/11 10:04:00 AM
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lookin like a mercy

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neonreaper
12/08/11 10:16:00 AM
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gilgamesh

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muddersmilk
12/08/11 10:20:00 AM
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Terrible first matchup for Red.

Gilgamesh

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_Regaro_
12/08/11 10:21:00 AM
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Gilgamesh

I said it in the topic, but for a hand-picked bracket this match stuck out to me as "why"

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Gatarix
12/08/11 10:22:00 AM
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I would lean toward considering pokemon special attacks as supernatural and able to hurt Servants, but yeah, Red's outclassed here.

Gilgamesh


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Silverliner182V
12/08/11 10:25:00 AM
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Gilgamesh has exploding rocket swords.

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Shadowmoon30
12/08/11 11:47:00 AM
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Gilgamesh yeah sorry Red looks like your first match was just a wash.

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Nemo Incognito
12/08/11 12:25:00 PM
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GILGAMESH, KING OF HEROES

Mercy'd

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Lopen
12/08/11 2:35:00 PM
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From: _Regaro_ | #021
I said it in the topic, but for a hand-picked bracket this match stuck out to me as "why"


The imagery of Gilgamesh snapping his fingers and Red being torn to bits by a ton of swords amuses me at least!

Yes I'm still bitter about Street Fighter !

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_Regaro_
12/08/11 3:24:00 PM
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You were supposed to say "I'm not bitter at all, why do you ask" or something lame like that !

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Justin_Crossing
12/08/11 4:54:00 PM
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Gilgamesh

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WickIebee
12/08/11 6:14:00 PM
#29:


Gilgamesh

Easily

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Wanglicious
12/08/11 6:16:00 PM
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....i wonder, would gilgamesh have pokemon.
man has everything else in that damn thing. clearly he has the 6th gen legendary.

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Natwaf_akidna
12/08/11 6:44:00 PM
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Oh, yeah, we passed the mercy point.

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DeathChicken
12/08/11 6:45:00 PM
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Gate of Babylon, out flies hundreds of Magikarps

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neonreaper
12/09/11 5:23:00 AM
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I sorta thought Gilgamesh/Lancer types were supposed to be out of this bracket huh

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Sceptilesolarbeam
12/09/11 6:45:00 AM
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Gilgamesh is only truly a one-trick pony against weak opponents. He can be more interesting once he breaks out stuff like Vimana.

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