Board 8 > Skyward Sword discussion topic [zelda]

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Game doesn't use the sensor bar, that's why pointing is all weird.

And regarding the idea that motion controls don't add anything to the game, there are some great boss fights that couldn't be done without directional slashing.

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you don't need motion controls to do directional slashing

that being said, I'm probably way behind everyone now after crashing for like 13 hours but thus far I think this is going to challenge MM for my favorite game in the series. the motion controls are a bit wonky and the hand holding is ridiculous, but everything else has been near perfect thus far

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Put some power in your stabs, like you are actually stabbing the air. Don't listen to the dumb ingame tutorials. I learned that the hard way by failing the first flying test. You WHIP the wiimote to make your bird flap his wings.

The spiders are easy too! Horizontal slash then stab them. You know you can Z Target right?

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I literally almost died because link just stood there waving his sword around gently while I was swinging like jimmy fallon(same enemy, I wanted to see if I could use his method), FML

beetle is cool ****

-You get a small number of inventory slots and the rest of the items have to stay in storage. You don't have full access to all your neat gadgets.



Uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuugh. Rage. Why?!

I thought you always have all your neat gadgets in your main pocket. But your other pocket with bottles, shields, medallions etc is limited.

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shields

****ing adventure pouch how does it work

You always carry all your gadgets. The other things you carry are just meant to make your way through a dungeon easier. Bomb bag, seed bag, quiver and 2 bottles is more than enough to get you through most dungeons. You have like eight slots to hold optional equipment. Plus you can upgrade your bags and quivers to hold more ammo.

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there's pouch upgrades anyway! The very first goddess cube you get to gives you one!


anyway first dungeon down. Damn what an awesome fight

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oh hey a goddess cube behind the alter at the end of the first temple

I'm glad I explore these rooms!

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Tightrope tip: move the wiimote left and right like it says at the bottom of the screen, do it even if you aren't about to fall to either side. It helps keep you balanced.

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I'm starting to really hate Fi. She ruins that awesome feeling of venturing into a new area by flashing her shiny ass and talking every single time. Doesn't anyone have the balls to tell Miyamoto that crap like that should be OPTIONAL.

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I wouldn't put it all on miyamoto, it's something all their games are doing these days, their whole corporate philosophy on games at this point is to assume that everyone who plays their games has never played a video game before...just too bad they had to do it with zelda

Fi is such a massive step down from Midna. I don't mind the companion speaking a lot... just have something interesting, or funny, or snide, to say. Ugh.

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Is it really so bad? She only does it at the beginning of a dungeon/area and then only when you get to your destination. And most of the time it's just stuff that fills in the history of the place and your objective.

I think the worst thing about her is when you dive and she asks you where to land each and every time. EACH AND EVERY TIME. That and when your hearts are low and she makes that beeping sound.

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Midna was terrible. The worst thing ever to exist in a ZElda game.

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From: Kotetsu534 | #067
Fi is such a massive step down from Midna. I don't mind the companion speaking a lot... just have something interesting, or funny, or snide, to say. Ugh.

couldn't agree with this more

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fi wouldn't be bad if not for the excessive hand holding though, it's more bad game design than bad character design...

I'm not far yet, but the most annoying thing I've found about Fi is that obnoxious Twilight speech gibberish. It got annoying towards the end of TP, and it's already annoying now. I don't get why they did the same thing again, but it's really lame.

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From: OmarsComin | #041
I could never remember which button brought up which menu and early in my playthrough I'd want to bring up a potion or a slingshot and hit down on the dpad instead, bringing out the Navi replacement

you shouldn't have used the pro interface!

I'm a big fan of these controls. You don't have to worry about motions not registering; if Link does something you didn't intend, it's your fault, not the fault of the game. Compare this to Assassin's Creed where Ezio will still jump in directions unintended after four games (at an admittedly smaller rate than when that issue started). I've only finished the the first dungeon, which was relatively straightforward, but it's among the best first dungeons in any Zelda game. I can't remember the last time I felt a sense of accomplishment (maybe LttP when I was 6) upon completing a dungeon, and that's due to the motion controls: each fight is a puzzle, a challenging puzzle, and if you aren't aware at all times, even a simple spider will mess you up. The boss was great, and a far more bearable tutorial than the hours leading up to it. This game is better because of motion controls. Sure, you could map Link's sword swing to the right analogue stick, but that's not as precise, and then you'd have people complain about finicky controls that don't register your motions!

I've never had a problem with motion controls when done properly. I've rarely felt they enhanced my experience, but when they're at their best, they're an unobtrusive control mechanic. I've heard Skyward Sword's described somewhere on this board as 'immersive,' and I'd disagree with that. You're immersed in a game when you're completely absorbed by the happenings and you barely register what you're doing or how long you've been doing it. In SS, you need to be very aware of what you're doing and need to be doing, and if you're not, you'll fail or feel fatigue. Definitely engaging, definitely not immersive.

Some complaints:

- I wish enemies were more aggressive. Maybe this is a complaint I won't see once I finish the 'tutorial' section of the game, but there were times when I was surrounded by multiple enemies, and I didn't have to worry about crowd management because they were kind enough to only send one guy to attack me.

- Fi. Verbose and charmless.

- Tightropes. I can do them well, but I dislike them just as much as I dislike logs in Uncharted 1, and for the same reasons. I can fly through them without problem, they shouldn't be a problem for most people after the first one, and they impede progress. You don't need to slow the game at every opportunity!

- Flying took some time getting used to. It's probably the five years of Wii experience sans WM+, so when I took to the sky for the first time, I was moving and pointing my Wiimote in the direction I wanted and then found myself having a hard time getting centred. I'm not used to simply rotating the Wiimote in my desired direction!

- T...e...x...t s...p...e...e...d. I know I can press A to slightly speed it up, but it's still far too slow.

- The hours before the first dungeon. It's very charming, sure, but moves at a snails pace. After playing FF13, I don't think I can ever critique a game again for opening too slow, but c'mon Nintendo!


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From: BK_Sheikah00 | #049
To anyone that has finished already, please tell me how often you encounter Skulltulas, and in which dungeons(number of the dungeon, not name, please). I seriously freaked out when I saw one in the TP trailer, but was relieved when I only found them in the Forest Temple and the castle sewers during the main quest. I hope it's similar here.

Later in that very dungeon, you get an item that turns them into a joke anyway, so it doesn't matter much.

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Skulltulas are probably the easiest enemy in the game besides keese once you figure out how to kill them. If they're on the ground, upward slash to flip them over, then FINISH HIM.

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The fundamentals in this game are god tier. The gameplay, music, visuals, and charm are simply wonderful. I was surprised to discover how small the first dungeon was when I got the map, but it turned out into maybe the best first dungeon of the series, and I'm not even done with it. Love the beetle and love how every enemy is a mini-puzzle. About to fight the boss now.

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text speed is definitely obnoxious, combined with fi's incessant unnecessary advice. if new game+ minimizes that this is on pace to be my favorite game in the series though, best game since the 64 days anyway, SS is hitting me on a lot of different levels that WW and TP didn't

Fi is definitely annoying

She ALWAYS says "THERE'S A __% CHANCE THAT BLAHBLAHBLAH", when it's something that's OBVIOUSLY TRUE

Like in one dungeon, you see the boss key chest, and Fi just pops up to say THERE'S AN 85% CHANCE THE BOSS KEY IS IN THAT CHEST!

I KNOW the boss key is in the boss chest, I've been playing Zelda for 20 years! And this is the fourth dungeon even, I've opened up many boss chests already!

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From: Liquid Wiind | Posted: 11/21/2011 1:11:48 PM | #077
text speed is definitely obnoxious, combined with fi's incessant unnecessary advice. if new game+ minimizes that this is on pace to be my favorite game in the series though, best game since the 64 days anyway, SS is hitting me on a lot of different levels that WW and TP didn't

So far in NG+, Fi's been just as annoying

the only time I've really noticed a cut in text, is one time in Faron Woods, a Kikwi asked if I had seen him before and I said yes, and he's like "oooh, you're in Hero Mode so I guess you don't need to hear everything again, right?" and it gives me the option to skip the text there

but it's only happened that time so far, I believe. I've been playing NG+ right next to my brother who's playing the game for the first time (we've got two TVs in the room and he brought his Wii over), and most of the text has been the same

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damn :(

puzzling that the text speed is so slow when so many other things were done to streamline and speed up the gameplay, it seems incongruent with the design goals they had...

Does she stop asking you where you want to land in NG+?

I am starting to rage when that breaks up my pacing doing late game stuff. Isn't it ****ing obvious I can choose where I want to land after the 100th time?

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Well obviously it's because they had to write all that text and they want people to actually read it!

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Later in that very dungeon, you get an item that turns them into a joke anyway, so it doesn't matter much.

Thanks, but I wasn't asking because of their difficulty. It's just that I'm arachnophobic and want to have an idea of their locations so they don't take me by surprise. Like, I should expect them in the first dungeon and where else? Without spoiling much

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DAT GHIRAHIM

Best first boss of the series by far.

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From: GranzonEx | Posted: 11/21/2011 1:27:25 PM | #081
Does she stop asking you where you want to land in NG+?

nope

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Haven't beat the game yet, but the third dungeon is, without question, hands down, the best dungeon in the Legend of Zelda series. Makes up for the first two by leaps and bounds.

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I thought the first one was good!

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A lot of negative nancy'ing going on in here!

I think the first four dungeons are all pretty close in quality, with the quality gradually increasing. Not sure how KoolAidShoto thinks the third one is the best dungeon in the series but it's pretty good!

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First one was the worst first dungeon I've played since Forsaken Fortress in Wind Waker. Linear to a fault, easy as hell, no real twist or memorable theme. Its like "My First Zelda Dungeon" for 8-year olds who have never played LoZ, or video games before.

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From: TheKoolAidShoto | Posted: 11/21/2011 2:03:24 PM | #087
Haven't beat the game yet, but the third dungeon is, without question, hands down, the best dungeon in the Legend of Zelda series. Makes up for the first two by leaps and bounds.

wat

3rd dungeon's one of my least favourite!

I mean, there were tons of parts are really liked, yes, but god dammit I hate the item, and way too much little scorpions that are just pests

I love the crystals though

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Really? I thought both the boss and miniboss were awesome - far better than I had expected based on first dungeon standards. The actual puzzles were pretty easy, but it was more than made up by the enemies being puzzles themselves. It took me a while to really figure out battling Skulltulas, and victory was all the more fulfilling because of it. The Beetle is also a great item for a first dungeon. Already digging my little flying buddy.

I didn't get the Piece of Heart in there, though. I assume it can be picked up with Link's current arsenal, but I didn't spend the time to figure out how. Without spoiling the actual solution, can someone tell me if you can indeed get it your first time in the dungeon? thx

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Without spoiling the actual solution, can someone tell me if you can indeed get it your first time in the dungeon? thx

Pretty sure you can't get it yet

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The piece of heart in the the room with the mid-boss in the center?

you can definitely get it first time in

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I got it first time

and it's a great first dungeon, maybe it's no forest temple or stone tower but it's definitely better than deku tree, TP forest temple, and forsaken fortress

or really any of WW's dungeons

F*** Wind Waker, let me just get that out there

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I'm a Wind Waker apologist so I don't think SS is as good

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sailing better than bird flying i'll come out and say it

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I also did some flying before the first dungeon, and let me say

LUMPY PUMPKIN FTW

What a hilarious name. This game does so many things right that it's even more of a shame they messed up with Fi.

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