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(5) Lelouch de Lamperouge From Code Geass, Lelouch de Lamperouge is a brilliant schemer, and the possessor of the titular Geass, whose power enables him to control anyone who looks at him and hears his commands. Additionally, he has access to the powerful Knightmare (or mech) known as Shinkirou.
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(2) Evangeline A. K. McDowell From Negima, Evangeline A.K. McDowell is a dark mage. Cold and devilish, Evangeline has the body of a little girl, though she is actually over 500 years old. She has the powers of a Shinso vampire, which include rapid regeneration and flight; though she was impaled by a rock, she quickly healed from it and stated that she could not be harmed by physical means.
Evangeline specializes in ice spells and dark magic, and she can manipulate and control people as if they were puppets through her vampiric powers. She is also a master of Aikido, and can effortlessly take down a man twice her size; it is implied she learned the martial art directly from its creator. She is capable of moving around and attacking while in the middle of chanting the lines for her larger spells.
A copy of Eva that claims to be "many times weaker than the original" was able to fight Negi, who could move at speeds between Mach 448 and Mach 6642, for a long period of time before Negi could hit her.
Have to go to class soon, but before I do, here's a few points to consider:
1. Eva has blitzed before, but she has always been under some manor of seal or restriction at the time. The two times she's been completely free to use her full power, she's gone right for the big spell. This is what won her the last match, but because these spells have incantations, it looses her this one.
2. Lelouch is hardly a threat on level with those Eva faced while unsealed, but she doesn't know that. Considering Eva herself is stuck with the body of a ten year old girl, I'd think she'd know better than to judge based on appearances alone. The scale of her attacks isn't going to change just because she's up against a regular looking guy instead of a giant monster.
3. The lack of a partner to serve as a frontline is also unlikely to change her behavior. Eva recently demonstrated that she's perfectly capable of responding to a direct, physical assault even mid-incantation. So she has no real reason to hold back from using her spells. Just like the above points, this won her last match for her but secures her defeat here.
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Dying breath, light my blade and sing in shadow! Omega!
Compared to Evangeline... Lulu has been seen to not act as vicious against someone that doesn't seem like they will mess with his rule... so he will more than likely be frozen before he thinks to use the Geass, or Knightmare...
I'm not sure Eva is capable of self-destruction. I can't figure out how she would pull it off. If Lelouch immediately tried to get her to kill herself, it might fail similarly to against the Emperor.
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From: GANON1025 | #005 It failed against Charles because he has The Raise Dead. Does Evangeline have something similar?
Er, wrong Lelouch.
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"As the size of an explosion increases, the number of social situations it is incapable of solving approaches zero." -Vaarsuvius, Order of the Stick
From: th3l3fty | #008 does Geass work on non-humans?
Not clear, simply because there were no English-speaking non-humans to test it on.
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"As the size of an explosion increases, the number of social situations it is incapable of solving approaches zero." -Vaarsuvius, Order of the Stick
No. CG Emperor's Geass was memory manipulation. It was his Code that made him immortal, though he still seemed to be affected by Geass. Though in retrospect, it's possible he was just going through the motions to piss Lelouch off.
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"As the size of an explosion increases, the number of social situations it is incapable of solving approaches zero." -Vaarsuvius, Order of the Stick
Even assuming Lelouch's power would work on a vampire, and that he even has a chance to finish his sentence before Eva hits him, what command would he give? He doesn't know she's a vampire, what her weaknesses are or anything. He could say 'kill yourself', which would be a meaningless command, as Eva isn't alive in the normal sense of the word. He could say 'hold still and let me hit you', which would be similarly ineffective due to Eva's incredible durability and regeneration.
He only will get one shot at it before Eva realizes what his power is and smashes in his larynx.
Nah, Emperor WAKAMOTO was geassed legitimately and was surprised when it happen.
Then he just laughed at Lulu after head-shooting himself. Then Stuff happened, then Emperor Wakamoto did the "Not this **** again" face, then Emperor WAKAMOTO tried to PSYCHO CRUSHA Lulu and dissapeared because Lulu told god to do it.
Yeah, pointing and laughing at Code Geass is why its so enjoyable <_<
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Nice catch BlAcK TuRtLe. But too bad your ass got SAAAAAAAAAAACKED.*tackles*
Regaro_Ukiera posted... if so I will argue the total ooc that lelouch goes "forfeit" instead of "die"
Evangeline
Honestly... it's out of character for Lulu to tell a little girl to die...
He never used a kill command on a female, just warriors that threatened his rule... The closest thing Lulu would use regarding a kill thing is for Evangeline to get lost... which I'm quite sure she can get a kill in before that...
So would Lelouch even get a chance to use Geass? How fast are Evangeline's spells? If she goes for one that takes an incantation, how long does it take to pull off?
Plus, would it even work if she's casting? IIRC for the Geass to work there has to be eye contact and Lelouch's voice has to be heard (although I forget if the command has to actually be understood or if the victim has to be paying attention). Basically, if Eva was concentrating really hard on casting a spell or something, would the Geass be able to go through?
I don't think there's much Lelouch can do in this situation.
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I'm not sure I agree with the argument for Eva here. Being undead hardly means being incapable of dying. The undead are killed again all the time in fiction. Telling her to kill herself should work fine so long as some means of killing her exist, and she knows what they are.
As for whether or not that's the case, I suppose that's less clear. There's never been any explicit mention of something that could kill her, true, but that hardly means they don't exist. Most notable would be that Eva has been mentioned to have standard vampiric weaknesses, though she "got over" some of them.
Really, she's been shown to be ageless and unkillable by conventional means. I'd say it's kind of a stretch to take that to mean she can't be killed at all. As for whether or not Lelouch would give the command, I can't say. I'm a Negima fan, not a Code Geass fan.
Edit: HeroDelTiempo17 posted... So would Lelouch even get a chance to use Geass? How fast are Evangeline's spells? If she goes for one that takes an incantation, how long does it take to pull off?
Plus, would it even work if she's casting? IIRC for the Geass to work there has to be eye contact and Lelouch's voice has to be heard (although I forget if the command has to actually be understood or if the victim has to be paying attention). Basically, if Eva was concentrating really hard on casting a spell or something, would the Geass be able to go through?
I don't think there's much Lelouch can do in this situation.
This shouldn't really be much of a problem. The incantations on her more powerful spells are plenty long enough for a "kill yourself" command. As for Eva hearing it, she was once attacked mid-incantation by three individuals. She proceeded to beat them down without breaking incantation. This would logically require her to still be aware of her surroundings while casting.
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Dying breath, light my blade and sing in shadow! Omega!
For the third time... Lelouch doesn't have "Kill yourself as an only geass command" which he only uses on a threat, or someone in his way for his goal...
Some little girl won't be that until he notices her magic, which would cause his death...
But seriously... UNDERSTAND HIS CHARACTER, HE DOESN'T ALWAYS COMMAND DEATH
As I said, I have no comment on that point due to not having seen the series. I'm simply providing information on the character I know. Though I would point out that, if that's the case, he probably shouldn't have beaten Laharl either.
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Dying breath, light my blade and sing in shadow! Omega!
From: WickIebee | #025 But seriously... UNDERSTAND HIS CHARACTER, HE DOESN'T ALWAYS COMMAND DEATH
Considering his character, I'm not even sure he'd go for the instant Geass. He seems way too proud for that. I'm just thinking of the episode where he was playing chess and refused the victory when his opponent intentionally put himself in a position where it was possible for Lelouch to win. He could very well try to fight in his mech at first.
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HeroDelTiempo17 posted... From: WickIebee | #025 But seriously... UNDERSTAND HIS CHARACTER, HE DOESN'T ALWAYS COMMAND DEATH Considering his character, I'm not even sure he'd go for the instant Geass. He seems way too proud for that. I'm just thinking of the episode where he was playing chess and refused the victory when his opponent intentionally put himself in a position where it was possible for Lelouch to win. He could very well try to fight in his mech at first.
This. Fighters are unaware of their opponents' abilities at the start of the match. Lelouch wouldn't go straight for the Geass; he'd try to gain information first while battling in his mech in order to figure out how to best use his Geass, since he only has one shot at making it work. Evangeline is the type to go for the instant kill...although, she's also the type who likes to toy with her enemies first if she deems them to be too weak. I could see him trying to use the Geass to simply render her non-hostile towards him, perhaps even recognize him as her superior...which I can't see ending well for Lelouch, given Eva's personality. If by toying with him, she started by destroying his mech without hurting him, then he'd recognize her as a powerful magician...but not necessarily as a vampire, which would probably be problematic as if he thought he was going against a live magician, he'd probably react differently than if he knew his opponent was undead.
Yeah, I really can't see any way that Lelouch wins this one. If he catches Evangeline in a bad mood, he's done right away, and even if she decides to toy with him first, as soon as he tries to Geass her, he's revealed himself as a legitimate threat, and Evangeline goes all-out unless he actually gave a command that would be effective. Lelouch, much like Batman, can probably beat any foe that he's prepared for...but the rules of the contest say that competitors don't have prior knowledge of their opponent's abilities, and I doubt that Eva will tip her hand in a way that leaves Lelouch able to continue.
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LlednarTwem posted... As I said, I have no comment on that point due to not having seen the series. I'm simply providing information on the character I know. Though I would point out that, if that's the case, he probably shouldn't have beaten Laharl either.
Laharl would be prone to call himself the ALMIGHTY OVERLORD, which Lelouch would have seen as a "threat or obastacle" in the way to his goals... so him beating Laharl was legit...
however, this match is definitely an instant-kill vs the geass that would be delayed...
