Board 8 > Most Powerful Fictional Character 2011: Megas XLR vs. Evangeline McDowell [MPFC]

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KanzarisKelshen
10/23/11 5:52:00 PM
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The Rules:

-Matches will last exactly 24 hours. Votes after that much time has elapsed will not be counted, even if a new topic hasn't gone up yet.
-This is a contest to determine which character is the most *powerful*. Vote only for the character you think would win in a fight, not the one who's funnier, cooler, or sexier. If you don't do that I can't count your vote.
-BOLD YOUR VOTE. Unbolded votes will NOT be counted.
-Rallying is allowed. Alts are not.
-Fights will take place in a neutral terrain. This does not necessarily mean a *featureless* terrain: assume that both characters will have a chance to use all of their skills to the fullest here, barring setting-specific abilities and anything that requires the presence of multiple enemies (but see below).
-Characters start the fight alone. They don't bring allies with them, like Kerrigan and the Zerg Swarm for instance. Summons are allowed though, provided they're brought once combat has started.
-Fighters retain their usual personalities. They won't fight to kill unless that's their MO, and won't spam their best attacks to win unless, again, that's how they act in their original media.
-Similarly, fighters are unaware of their opponents capabilities at the start of the fight unless their powers facilitate them information (like knowing all there is to know in the universe - this would include who the opponent is and what he can do, as well as weaknesses)
-You don't have to justify your vote, but it helps. If you feel like you can add something to the debate, go right ahead!
-Seriously, BOLD THE VOTE. So important it bears repeating.
-Bracket Link, for viewing past results and future matches:
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Past Results:
Thanks to Laharl's tendency to brag, Lelouch easily advances to the division finals. Unrelated to the match, some heavy contest drama went down, which prevented the match from being a shut-out. Votals: 1-13

(3) Megas XLR
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From the series with the same name, Megas XLR is a building-sized mech piloted by Coop, a slacker with amazing videogame talents. Megas is equipped with a wide arsenal of weapons, from lasers to missiles, can fly, and possesses tremendous strength. Its greatest asset, however, is its Big Red Button, which always provides a useful attack for the situation at hand. The button seems to be context sensitive, as it even reacts to previous uses of itself (changing its tag from "Fire Missiles" to "Fire More Missiles", and finally "Fire All Da Missiles"), making it very handy in a fight.

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(2) Evangeline A.K. McDowell
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From Negima, Evangeline A.K. McDowell is a dark mage. Cold and devilish, Evangeline has the body of a little girl, though she is actually over 500 years old. She has the powers of a Shinso vampire, which include rapid regeneration and flight; though she was impaled by a rock, she quickly healed from it and stated that she could not be harmed by physical means.

Evangeline specializes in ice spells and dark magic, and she can manipulate and control people as if they were puppets through her vampiric powers. She is also a master of Aikido, and can effortlessly take down a man twice her size; it is implied she learned the martial art directly from its creator. She is capable of moving around and attacking while in the middle of chanting the lines for her larger spells.

A copy of Eva that claims to be "many times weaker than the original" was able to fight Negi, who could move at speeds between Mach 448 and Mach 6642, for a long period of time before Negi could hit her.

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Pirateking2000
10/23/11 5:54:00 PM
#2:


Coop laughs at seeing Envangeline

is hit by uber strong attack

proceeds to mash buttons and wins

Megas

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dragon22391
10/23/11 5:55:00 PM
#3:


Hey look the joke that is this contest is continuing despite the host having completely shafted a number of voters and a character.

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KanzarisKelshen
10/23/11 5:56:00 PM
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From: dragon22391 | #003
Hey look the joke that is this contest is continuing despite the host having completely shafted a number of voters and a character.


Hey look, that match is over by any possible version of rules lawyerism you want to argue, take your complaints to the bracket discussion topic and out of here.

Anyway, argument courtesy of LlednarTwem for Eva on the next post.

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Regaro_Ukiera
10/23/11 5:56:00 PM
#5:


question: how does Megas actually hurt her

does the big red button become "Kill the vampire's spiritual body" or something

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KanzarisKelshen
10/23/11 5:56:00 PM
#6:


First and foremost, Eva recently demonstrated the ability to move and fight at a very high level even while mid-incantation. She was surrounded and attacked by three opponents trying to interrupt her spell, each of these three being quite powerful individually. She beats them all down without having to restart her incantation. Shown here:
http://www.mangafox.com/manga/mahou_sensei_negima/v36/c332/7.html
http://www.mangafox.com/manga/mahou_sensei_negima/v36/c332/8.html
http://www.mangafox.com/manga/mahou_sensei_negima/v36/c332/9.html
Feel free to ignore the stuff with the other classmates. It's unrelated.

As for raw power, her attack from a much earlier fight is still probably her best showing. Unfortunately we don't really have much of a read on her upper limit because her power is sealed most of the time. When it's not sealed she stomps with little effort, so the extent of her power is unclear. Anyway, here's probably the best we've seen:
http://www.mangafox.com/manga/mahou_sensei_negima/v06/c051/16.html
http://www.mangafox.com/manga/mahou_sensei_negima/v06/c051/17.html

Taken together, I can see her having a shot here. She's gone straight for the big spell both times she's actually fought at full power, so that's not going to be an issue. And even if Megas withstands her magic, the pilots might not be so lucky. They could very well end up frozen solid inside the machine.

As an aside, as may be apparent, the other time she fought at full strength was during the first feat I listed. The spell she's chanting there actually goes off starting here:
http://www.mangafox.com/manga/mahou_sensei_negima/v36/c333/6.html
It's not directly applicable because it was specifically made to seek out entities like the ones they were fighting at the time. Does potentially give another example of the level of her ability though, I guess.

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DeathChicken
10/23/11 5:57:00 PM
#7:


As opposed to The Host having completely shafted a number of voters and a character

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dragon22391
10/23/11 5:58:00 PM
#8:


The concurrent matches overshadowed one another; Goku/Yuki is over by time now, but the circumstances of the match didn't allow the vote it's full potential time. It was considered a joke by the host and so it wasn't taken seriously by the voters.

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KanzarisKelshen
10/23/11 5:58:00 PM
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From: DeathChicken | #007
As opposed to The Host having completely shafted a number of voters and a character


The hilarious thing is that this argument is more legitimate than numbers'. But seriously, take this to the discussion topic or I will ask a mod to delete posts.

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dragon22391
10/23/11 5:59:00 PM
#10:


You would say that since you're -- y'know -- the corrupt host in question. This isn't just me.

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Regaro_Ukiera
10/23/11 6:00:00 PM
#11:


From: KanzarisKelshen | #009
I will ask a mod to delete posts.


loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool

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Pirateking2000
10/23/11 6:01:00 PM
#12:


So who says the match would go like this



XD

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Regaro_Ukiera
10/23/11 6:01:00 PM
#13:


Eva's WAY too fast for that

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KanzarisKelshen
10/23/11 6:02:00 PM
#14:


From: Regaro_Ukiera | #011
loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool


I would like to see the ****storm contained to the appropriate topic. Now, do I have to insist on this or not? Every post after this one discussing that subject here will be marked because it's clogging up this topic. I'd rather not have to do this, but I will if it's necessary to avoid styming the discussion on what is likely to be a very fun match.

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Pirateking2000
10/23/11 6:02:00 PM
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lol it was a partial joke post

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dragon22391
10/23/11 6:03:00 PM
#16:


Well, you're just ignoring all the points brought up against you in favor of "I know they were trolling", despite my continual claims that KJH and myself were not -- and HGR and Semi would likely say the same -- until the match was "over" by time, so keeping it in the discussion topic isn't really doing any good.

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Pirateking2000
10/23/11 6:04:00 PM
#17:


oh yeah just wondering. Isn't Megas technically a planet buster. I vaguely remember him destroying a Halo ring world with some Phoenix Hax Form that Coop HAPPENED to discover (seriously he HAPPENS to discover some uber button in fights lol)

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Drakeryn
10/23/11 6:06:00 PM
#18:


Board 8 doesn't have topicality.


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KanzarisKelshen
10/23/11 6:09:00 PM
#19:


From: Drakeryn | #018
Board 8 doesn't have topicality.


It does have disruptive posting, particularly since I responded to Numbers already. I'm willing to expand on my previous answers in the discussion topic, but as I said, not here.

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LlednarTwem
10/23/11 6:09:00 PM
#20:


Oh hey, new match. Anyway, Pirateking, if you think Megas gets hit, what reason do you have for thinking the fight keeps going after that? Even if the machine survives, is there evidence to support that Coop and the others wouldn't still just freeze inside it?

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Pirateking2000
10/23/11 6:11:00 PM
#21:


^ Didn't megas get hit by massive temperature attacks before and Coop and crew were fine anyway >_>

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Regaro_Ukiera
10/23/11 6:13:00 PM
#22:


From: Pirateking2000 | #021
^ Didn't megas get hit by massive temperature attacks before and Coop and crew were fine anyway >_>


"Absolute Zero"

I don't see Megas being able to fight after that. My question is how quickly Evangeline would resort to that.


Frankly though I don't see Megas hitting Eva unless she allows it.

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Pirateking2000
10/23/11 6:13:00 PM
#23:


oh yeah and would Kiva and Jamie be there as well?

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KanzarisKelshen
10/23/11 6:14:00 PM
#24:


From: Pirateking2000 | #023
oh yeah and would Kiva and Jamie be there as well?


No.

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Pirateking2000
10/23/11 6:14:00 PM
#25:


aw why not they usually hang around with coop in Megas

meh whatever lol

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Team Rocket Elite
10/23/11 6:19:00 PM
#26:


I don't see Megas being able to fight after that. My question is how quickly Evangeline would resort to that.

Evangeline has had two major fights so far. In the first one she pretty quickly went for the absolute zero spell. In the other, she almost immediately went for a big ice spell that creates endlessly regenerating ice that traps an opponent.

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Natwaf_akidna
10/23/11 6:21:00 PM
#27:


Can Eva just warp in through shadows into Megas?

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LlednarTwem
10/23/11 6:54:00 PM
#28:


I'm...not sure. At the very least, I don't think she's ever shadow warped except as a way to reach the battlefield. Probably best leave it out, especially since she probably doesn't need to anyway.

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GANON1025
10/23/11 6:57:00 PM
#29:


I think I'll go Evangeline for now.

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Wanglicious
10/23/11 7:03:00 PM
#30:


...there's no reason Kiva and Jamie wouldn't be in there. Megas pretty much always had all 3 of them inside. they were a trio through pretty much every adventure.

anyway, Megas. mech somehow will know exactly the way to beat her and that will be the button that gets pressed somehow.

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Regaro_Ukiera
10/23/11 7:03:00 PM
#31:


From: Team Rocket Elite | #026
I don't see Megas being able to fight after that. My question is how quickly Evangeline would resort to that.

Evangeline has had two major fights so far. In the first one she pretty quickly went for the absolute zero spell. In the other, she almost immediately went for a big ice spell that creates endlessly regenerating ice that traps an opponent.


Evangeline

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WickIebee
10/23/11 7:09:00 PM
#32:


Megas being frozen wouldn't really have a use for buttons... GameFAQs Megas trying to say hax button gets pushed automatically needs to stop...

Evangeline

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todbot1
10/23/11 7:12:00 PM
#33:


Evangeline

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Xiahou Shake
10/23/11 7:13:00 PM
#34:


Coop always has a button.
Megas

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Sceptilesolarbeam
10/23/11 7:21:00 PM
#35:


By the way, in the newest chapter Evangeline finally gets another showing... It hasn't been scanlated yet, but she uses an ice-type Armationem which should substantially boost her abilities. It's the same kind of magic that drastically strengthens Negi. I'm not sure what hers does exactly, but they all will strengthen the user to some extent.

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Wanglicious
10/23/11 7:22:00 PM
#36:


...she doesn't cast her spells instantly. there's a good couple seconds between 'em as she says the quick lines.
which is more than enough time for any of his instant win buttons. there's nothing 'gamefaqs' about it. that's simply how megas works in the show.

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LlednarTwem
10/23/11 7:23:00 PM
#37:


Does the button really even tend to win things for them in one press? I admit it was a long time ago, but I don't recall that generally being the case.

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Sceptilesolarbeam
10/23/11 7:24:00 PM
#38:


Are these buttons actually 'instant win'? Versatility is one thing, but I find it hard to imagine an attack capable of that without drastically exceeding its power level.

Also, Evangeline's big spells are non-instant, but she can cast large numbers of ice arrows pretty fast.

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Pirateking2000
10/23/11 7:27:00 PM
#39:


^ I believe one of Megas buttons is "End Episode fight"

and another is "Blow up the planet" then another "Blow up the planet worse"

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Wanglicious
10/23/11 7:29:00 PM
#40:


if you're at the climax of the show, yep. putting it this way, at one point he needed to find the 'save the world' button because the enemy was going to shoot a giant ass cannon and kill everyone.

he found destroy the world.
destroy the world better

save the world was busted. he rewired a couple things really quick, his slushie was somehow teleported deep into the enemy base on top of exactly the right computer that was controlling the cannon's charging, and fell at exactly the right time to short out the computer and make it unable to cancel but also unable to fire, making it implode on them.

other examples include his 5 minutes left until the episode ends and 10 minutes left until the episode ends. meaning it's also self-aware of how much time is left for the show to wrap everything up and will behave accordingly.


so yeah, the buttons somehow change even during the episodes to fit the situation. climax of show being reached, DEM time.

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Regaro_Ukiera
10/23/11 7:31:00 PM
#41:


From: Wanglicious | #036
...she doesn't cast her spells instantly. there's a good couple seconds between 'em as she says the quick lines.
which is more than enough time for any of his instant win buttons. there's nothing 'gamefaqs' about it. that's simply how megas works in the show.


She's more than fast enough to avoid Megas in the mean time <_<

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Sceptilesolarbeam
10/23/11 7:32:00 PM
#42:


Yessss, but even destroying the world wouldn't work very well. I'm not sure if Eva needs to breathe or not, but I'm dubious that it would kill her. As long as the buttons have to win through specified means, then you need to find a means that they could win through.

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Wanglicious
10/23/11 7:33:00 PM
#43:


oh yeah, and to deal with a planet-sized monster that was gonna destroy the planet, a fridge full of pop rocks and soda was fired into its mouth by accident. it exploded with them in the near vicinity.

the mech power scales basically. if it's fighting grunts grunts can do something to it, if it's fighting planet sized monsters well they can blow up and have it crash into earth through the atmosphere and it'll still be okay.

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Sceptilesolarbeam
10/23/11 7:34:00 PM
#44:


What if it's fighting human-sized monsters?

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Wanglicious
10/23/11 7:35:00 PM
#45:


missed the point entirely there. the only 'specific means' to them is they somehow adjust to the situation to get a win out of it. saving the world would never involve coop giving up his slushie without a tearful farewell, so obviously that wasn't something he even set up.

but it worked.

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Pirateking2000
10/23/11 7:36:00 PM
#46:


What if it's fighting human-sized monsters?



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Sceptilesolarbeam
10/23/11 7:38:00 PM
#47:


From: Wanglicious | #045
missed the point entirely there. the only 'specific means' to them is they somehow adjust to the situation to get a win out of it. saving the world would never involve coop giving up his slushie without a tearful farewell, so obviously that wasn't something he even set up.

but it worked.


Then please tell me how they win.

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TsunamiXXVIII
10/23/11 7:41:00 PM
#48:


Hmm...an interesting match indeed. Megas has the size advantage, but that's never been a problem for Eva before. The context-sensitive Big Red Button is major hax, but...the rules of MPFC say that all characters are in their most powerful incarnation, and all indications from Akamatsu are that we still haven't seen Eva's full power--and given the nature of that curse on her, I somehow doubt we ever will. Given what we already have seen her defeat effortlessly, Evangeline is the obvious pick.

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Sorozone
10/23/11 7:43:00 PM
#49:


Evangeline

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LlednarTwem
10/23/11 7:59:00 PM
#50:


I think I'll go ahead and give my vote to Evangeline. The button is certainly powerful, but a frozen Coop isn't going to be pressing it. Eva only needs one spell to make that happen, and honestly, I don't really see her not getting it off. And while it's generally an argument I avoid, Eva has the body of a 10 year old girl. Even if Coop notices her right off from up in Megas' cockpit, that's not exactly something that inspires intimidation and urgency.

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