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Past Results: The champion has fallen. In a battle between two of the strongest bruisers in MPFC history, Dark Schneider, the Adam of Darkness, perennial strongest bruiser and character capable of beating reality warpers through his feats, found his own defensive abilities and lack of firepower to be his undoing. Time Trapper Prime advances to the third round, and will face the New Sun in what promises to be a truly epic Marvel vs. DC Round 3 matchup. Votals: 10-9
(8) Richard Rahl From The Sword of Truth, Richard Rahl is a Seeker of Truth, specialized in finding the answers to riddles. A highly skilled warrior, he wields the titular sword with deadly grace, taking advantage of its ability to cut anything while he is in the proper mindset for combat. The sword is imbued with potent abilities by its wielder, being capable of deflecting even magical attacks with ease. In addition, he is the first War Wizard to be born in three millennia, possessing the ability to employ both additive magic (which covers traditional spells such as lightning bolts, healing, telekinesis, etc.) as well as subtractive magic (which destroys parts of reality, transporting them to the Underworld, allowing spells cast with it to bypass defenses as if they weren't there and destroy all they touch).
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(5) Ryu Hayabusa From Ninja Gaiden, Ryu Hayabusa is a skilled ninja who has achieved powers beyond those of normal humans. He can jump higher and further (as well as multiple times), and is stronger, faster, and more flexible than average humans. Ryu is a master swordfighter and archer, and was able to wield the Dabilahro, a 100-pound sword, with little difficulty, as well as flawlessly deflect a stream of minigun fire from an attack helicopter using only a sword. He can attack an opponent in mid-air by floating and can also teleport by disappearing in a cloud of dust. He possesses a variety of Ninpo and Shuriken, which grant him a variety of ranged and elemental attacks.
Dan McNeely as he has the power to be revealed to be in the plot all along even with absolutely no foreshadowing or logical reason for him to be in the plot. Hence, he needs to be in this fight despite being killed in the last one and therefore wins.
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From: Pirateking2000 | #003 This fight is pretty interesting as if Ryu knows he is hostile he might just go for flying swallow and decapitate him when the fight starts
however the argument about Richard's reaction time may also play into here (something about a crossbow and things moving slow)
though I am leaning Ryu atm
Richard has some really amazing bullet time reactions, yes. I didn't save the quote but I can find it again if necessary - he's a worse swordsman than Hayabusa, but a better spellcaster and comparable reactionswise, if not better.
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From: Pirateking2000 | #005 Well I dunno about bullet timer
Again it was a crossbow I believe. Ryu has dealt with machine gun fire / helicopters and mechs I believe
plus Ryu has went against his share of spellcasters hasn't he (thinking of that one near final boss in NG2)
Being able to do offhand shot catching is bullet time levels. Period. This wasn't a dodge, which is the usual standard for bullet-timing, it was a deliberate interception - *much* harder to pull off.
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From: Pirateking2000 | #007 meh whatever guess I am just thinking of Ryu's feats as more impressive (which they kinda are as he also blocks said machine gun bullets etc with TDS)
also doesn't TDS have anti magic properties (which is Ryu's go to weapon)
I didn't say they weren't - I just don't think it might matter that much because Rahl's Subtractive Magic can take Hayabusa down and he's at least in the same ballpark for swordfighting so he won't get shanked.
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Considering peak canonical strength, Ryu also would have equipment and techniques from the NES games, including his doppelgangers. Those added onto his earlier exploits make him even more impressive, given that's essentially letting him attack three places at once or three times as fast.
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From: KJH | #010 Considering peak canonical strength, Ryu also would have equipment and techniques from the NES games, including his doppelgangers. Those added onto his earlier exploits make him even more impressive, given that's essentially letting him attack three places at once or three times as fast.
Negative because of the same reasons we don't let Samus cherrypick a suit and weapons. Unless there's a convincing argument for him being a composite of his multiple incarnations instead of just Gaiden 2 Hayabusa?
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From: Pirateking2000 | #011 Does Richard ever go straight for subtractive magic (aka Balefire 2.0)
His magic is intuitive. It comes to him naturally when he tries to cast.
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Pirateking2000 posted... Does Richard ever go straight for subtractive magic (aka Balefire 2.0)
Nope, as far as I know, Richard never even learns how to control his magic at a normal basis... but that's only as far as I know, I haven't finished the series...
His magic is intuitive. It comes to him naturally when he tries to cast.
So what would that mean for this match?
also how fast would his casting work. If Ryu just zergs the hell out of him constantly would he even have a chance to cast at all (without worrying about being carved to bits at close range)
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From: Pirateking2000 | #015 His magic is intuitive. It comes to him naturally when he tries to cast.
So what would that mean for this match?
also how fast would his casting work. If Ryu just zergs the hell out of him constantly would he even have a chance to cast at all (without worrying about being carved to bits at close range)
He lifts his hands and lightning comes out in more than one occasion.
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From: Pirateking2000 | #017 mmk its just when you mean its intuitive would it even get to subtractive magic or would he also just fire random **** like lightning or whatever.
Besides Ryu has crazy dodging skills (if you go by cutscenes he basically NEVER gets hit)
He produces both Subtractive and Additive magic at the same time. And given he has AoE like the wind wall Ryu's dodgehax might not be all that useful. You can't dodge a PBAoE.
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From: Pirateking2000 | #019 ^ Didn't the wind demon lord from Ninja Gaiden 2 have a similar aoe? Ryu dodges that.
I don't think you quite understand what I'm talking about. This attack emanates from Richard and goes pretty damn far. It also doesn't *care* about hitting Hayabusa - it's just there to create some distance. If Ryu dodges he's doing what the attack was supposed to do. It's a no-win situation.
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KanzarisKelshen posted... Richard...(is) a worse swordsman than Hayabusa, but a better spellcaster and comparable reactionswise, if not better.
Richard, by wielding the Sword of Truth, has the knowledge of over a hundred blademasters before him that have used the weapon. I find it difficult to believe anyone would be a noticeably better swordsman than him, unless you want to start arguing about blade types. However, it can also cut through just about anything. He's also highly capable of figuring out the nature of situations and using (or at the very least not getting used by) enemy capabilities, meaning he would likely not face difficulties with whatever ninja trickery Ryu throws at him, and responds accordingly with his magic. I'm thinking that there isn't a much worse opponent for Hyabusa to face since he basically has an answer for everything.
However, that's before you consider the nature of the sword. If Richard believes Ryu is at least remotely a good guy, he won't be able to kill him using the Sword of Truth. He can duel Ryu and probably would even sunder his weapon, but he wouldn't be able to strike him down. I'm not sure how likely this is, considering there have been plenty of cases where Richard cuts through loads of guys that he didn't know in defense of his own life. Being a Sword of Truth fan, I'm inclined to believe Richard would win here, but there could be some shenanigans where he might not be able to kill him with the sword.
Hayabusa has straight up better paremeters. Nothing Richard does comes close to Hayabusa going 'wassup, I parry *all of a minigun's shots*' IIRC.
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though if it were moved to long range Ryu could either close the distances quickly or use some range moves / Ninpo.
If he busts out Ninpo Richard will counter with subtractive magic...and then Ryu is ****ed. Completely ****ed.
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From: Pirateking2000 | #025 I doubt Sword of Truth is breaking TDS as that is also a hax weapon
and about the not killing Ryu...So basically Sword of Truth is like Samurai Jack's sword (that it can't hurt good people) or what?
No, it just can't kill unless Richard is full of fury at his opponent. If he gets angry Hayabusa might end up shishkabobbed.
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From: KanzarisKelshen | #027 No, it just can't kill unless Richard is full of fury at his opponent. If he gets angry Hayabusa might end up shishkabobbed.
False. Anger isn't the key to whether it kills or not, it just determines how much pain you suffer from the kill.
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Richard's perception of the person, not his anger, is what determines if it will cut like butter or stop short and leave him jarred from the unexpected impact. If he believes the person is innocent or good in some redeeming way, his convictions will not allow him to kill the person. Those seem to go out the window in defense of his own life, however, as anyone that tries to kill him deserves death.
Honestly, just like in his last match, Ryu's minigun feat is really standing out to me here. It's really not something to be taken lightly at all. To use the same wikipedia numbers I grabbed last time, minigun rounds generally have a muzzle velocity of 2,800 ft/s. While it's extremely variable, the fire rate of 2,000-6,000 rounds per minute is going to be huge no matter where in the spectrum it falls. By comparison, a crossbow bolt like the one mentioned in Rahl's last match moves at around 320 ft/s, and there's only one of them.
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only thing that matters there is dick's style of fighting. if he's the type to try keep away, ryu's prob gonna try some magic out or just bust out the explosive crossbow. and catching those bolts are an easy way to get your arm blown off. far as i can tell dick's got a lot of bag of tricks, but ryu's flat out better and can kill him without too much effort if he gets close to simply having much better reflexes and agility.
that 'bout it?
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yeah, Ryu unless I can be convinced that Richard Rahl will bust out the subtractive magic or additive magic that can hit and defeat Ryu before just getting pwned by him.
the mystery bag of tricks is the question there, as well as what he'd use from it. of course how much of it can hit ryu's a different story. then again ryu's movement speed was never that great, but his reflexes and agility are. aoe's the right idea to tag the bastard since if anywhere you flip means you get hit, you're screwed. though i forget if ryu can teleport or not (canonically, not in doa gameplay where everything can teleport and counter).
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the mystery bag of tricks is the question there, as well as what he'd use from it. of course how much of it can hit ryu's a different story. then again ryu's movement speed was never that great, but his reflexes and agility are. aoe's the right idea to tag the bastard since if anywhere you flip means you get hit, you're screwed. though i forget if ryu can teleport or not (canonically, not in doa gameplay where everything can teleport and counter).
Well Ryu was caught in a mega explosion (armadillo fight) and came out unscathed so....dunno
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Hayabusa's only real chance, imo, is to take Richard by surprise. And he IS a ninja. However, Richard seems to have a preternatural sense of perception. Assuming he knows he's in a fight, Richard won't get caught by surprise, and the blade thing won't be an issue when he's in defense of his life.
