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Liquid Wind
09/26/11 10:37:00 AM
#51:


It has interactivity, so yeah, suck it and be quiet.

this after literally asking if umineko would be allowed lmaaaoo

support vote for chrono cross though! as questionable as that track list is...
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KamikazePotato
09/26/11 10:38:00 AM
#52:


What happens if multiple people nominate different track lists from a game?

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Liquid Wind
09/26/11 10:39:00 AM
#53:


you can't nominate something someone else has, you can only give it a support vote, at least that's the impression I was under
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KanzarisKelshen
09/26/11 10:40:00 AM
#54:


But seriously, this is simple.

A) Does it have gameplay segments?
B) If it doesn't, does it allow user interactivity (sound tests and scrollbacks don't count)?

If the answer to either of those is 'Yes', that's it, it counts as a game. Whether you like it or not, it fits the professional definition.

From: Liquid Wind | #051
It has interactivity, so yeah, suck it and be quiet.

this after literally asking if umineko would be allowed lmaaaoo

support vote for chrono cross though! as questionable as that track list is...


I'm taking suggestions! CC has a ton of amazing tracks, I just picked some that immediately stood out to me. :)

(Not moving Magical Dreamers or Scars of Time though, and not slotting Fort Dragonia in. Everything else is debatable!)

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Xuxon
09/26/11 10:43:00 AM
#55:


Windows calculator has interactivity. Shall I nominate Radiants vs Degrees in the rivals contest? Maybe Sine vs Cosine? No?

Umineko has no player choice, therefore it is not a video game.
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KamikazePotato
09/26/11 10:44:00 AM
#56:


God damnit quit s***ing up the nomination topic. Don't do this.

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KanzarisKelshen
09/26/11 10:46:00 AM
#57:


From: Liquid Wind | #055
I have to take more time to look at the soundtrack as a whole but immediately I can't see radical dreamers ~ without taking the jewel as not being top 7, I'd recommend it over dragon god...CC is a really hard one to narrow down to 7 tracks, almost all of it is so good


You mean...the song I specifically hesitated about slotting in because it's a vocal song and 'lolb8tastes', AKA Unstolen Jewel? >_>

I share your opinion about it being amazing, but let's be honest: if a song has vocals it automatically takes a hit to its strength. I want CC to do its best and this means playing to Board 8's tastes, even if I personally hate them. The nominator has to act like a DJ of a station and play what will capture the listeners' ears, not what he actually likes, sadly.

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Liquid Wind
09/26/11 10:48:00 AM
#58:


I have to take more time to look at the soundtrack as a whole but immediately I can't see radical dreamers ~ without taking the jewel as not being top 7, I'd recommend it over dragon god(or fragment of a dream since it's an arrangement of the same melody)...CC is a really hard one to narrow down to 7 tracks, almost all of it is so good

at a quick glance my recommendations would be

radical dreamers > fragment of a dream
another guldove > home arni
leaving the body > dragon god
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KanzarisKelshen
09/26/11 10:48:00 AM
#59:


From: KamikazePotato | #057
God damnit quit s***ing up the nomination topic. Don't do this.


This. Sorry, but if you feel like arguing this, 'citation needed'. Until you find a way to legitimize the 'it's not a game!' argument with an actual, academic/professional definition of the term, be quiet.

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Liquid Wind
09/26/11 10:49:00 AM
#60:


I share your opinion about it being amazing, but let's be honest: if a song has vocals it automatically takes a hit to its strength

fair enough, I hadn't considered this and would have actually thought the opposite, I made another edit to that though so two other recommendations

another guldove > home arni
leaving the body > dragon god
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KamikazePotato
09/26/11 10:50:00 AM
#61:


That goes for you too, Kan. This is not the place to have this argument again.

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Liquid Wind
09/26/11 10:52:00 AM
#62:


I actually agree with KP, I don't consider umineko to be a game but I wasn't interested in starting a big argument, everyones opinion has been stated so it's pointless to carry on like that.
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KCF0107
09/26/11 10:54:00 AM
#63:


So, alternates are in the case of a tie or what?

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KCF0107
09/26/11 10:54:00 AM
#64:


Never mind, a second look at the OP answered my question

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KCF0107
09/26/11 10:58:00 AM
#65:


Well, I have a preliminary list made up. Are we allowed to tinker with the order down the line before nominations are closed? If so, I may post it very soon

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Liquid Wind
09/26/11 10:59:00 AM
#66:


I reserve the right to step in if the songs chosen are terribad, but otherwise if you want different songs for a game, you'll need to take it up with the person who nominated the game.

this seems to imply that you can continuously change the track list, people have already been doing it...
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KanzarisKelshen
09/26/11 11:01:00 AM
#67:


From: Liquid Wind | #060
I share your opinion about it being amazing, but let's be honest: if a song has vocals it automatically takes a hit to its strength

fair enough, I hadn't considered this and would have actually thought the opposite, I made another edit to that though so two other recommendations

another guldove > home arni
leaving the body > dragon god


Good catch on Another Guldove - I don't want to take out Home Arni unless we can find a total killer to replace it, because I designed the lineup with a progression in mind, as well as as much variation as I could muster, but that's one track that can definitely carve a spot for itself.

As for Departed Souls...that's trickier, because I feel like the Alt theme has to raise the stakes - it has to be better than anything but the final theme (or in CC's case, second-to-final and final themes) without being a major loss if it never ends up used. Departed Souls is great, but can it really pick up the slack if Dream of the Shore or Dream that Time Dreams tie? Maybe Frozen Flame could do it among the more tranquil themes. Maybe. I don't feel like Departed Souls has the punch necessary though.

So, to sum up, right now I'm thinking if Home Arni should be replaced with Another Guldove, or if the latter should take another song's place. Ideas? Might be worthwhile to move The Dream that Time Dreams to the Alt theme, move Dream of the Shore to slot 4, and put Another Guldove in Slot 3, maybe. How's that sound?

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Liquid Wind
09/26/11 11:02:00 AM
#68:


I wouldn't expect dragon god to be that strong personally, maybe you know something I don't because as shown with the vocal thing, I only pay so much attention to this board...but if it has to stay in the top 7 I definitely wouldn't use it as one of the most important slots
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KCF0107
09/26/11 11:03:00 AM
#69:


Nomination: Plok
1. Boss -
2. Creepy Crag -
3. Cotton Island -
4. Venge Thicket -
5. Gohome Cavern -
6. Beach -
Alt. Main Theme -

I am just throwing this up here. I plan on looking it over and possibly re-ordering it later on. If anybody wants to give me some suggestions, I have an open mind

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KanzarisKelshen
09/26/11 11:06:00 AM
#70:


From: Liquid Wind | #068
I wouldn't expect dragon god to be that strong personally, maybe you know something I don't because as shown with the vocal thing, I only pay so much attention to this board...but if it has to stay in the top 7 I definitely wouldn't use it as one of the most important slots


Yeah, agreed. Went right ahead with kicking it out and putting The Dream that Time Dreams in its slot. Check the original nom for the updated roster!

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SuperAngelo128
09/26/11 11:07:00 AM
#71:


All my SUPPORT to Plok for sure
Support chrono cross too I suppose

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SuperAngelo128
09/26/11 11:08:00 AM
#72:


Also kcf I would put in akrillic in there and maybe change the order a bit

Otherwise good choices

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Liquid Wind
09/26/11 11:17:00 AM
#73:


looking good

yeah chrono cross, first psx square game nominated and that era is ****ing stacked for them!
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KanzarisKelshen
09/26/11 11:19:00 AM
#74:


Man, I just noticed that Deus Ex soundtrack. We really need some Unreal Engine reps that can really stand up to the big boys in every round instead of a soundtrack with three good reps and a ton of filler. Unreal 1 or UT1 would work way better as choices.

PS: Also, somebody get some Human Revolution in here posthaste. it's the better DX soundtrack by a mile.

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xp1337
09/26/11 11:36:00 AM
#75:


Hmm... At first I was skeptical of this kind of contest, but I actually think this format is pretty clever. I guess I'm in.

Nomination: Xenosaga III
1. Escape -
2. Abel's Ark -
3. Minor Boss Battle -
4. Promised Pain -
5. Fatal Fight -
6. Godsibb -
Alt. Hepatica (KOS-MOS) -

I am totally up for any suggestions on changing songs or re-ordering. I was pretty lost here because Board 8's anti-vocal contingent really threw a wrench into this for me. My own top 7 is probably all, or nearly-all, vocal songs. Godsibb is fairly proven, but on all the others I feel it's just risk after risk. It doesn't help that I think some potentially good choices have titles that could be considered spoilers, so I kind of avoided that because I'm not sure if we want to go there.


As for supports. Definitely support Nier at the least. One suggestion I'd make to the order there is maybe Lost Forest out for Shadowlord's Castle / Memory (or Roar), Kaine / Escape (or Salvation) or perhaps The Ultimate Weapon. I'd say Hills of Radiant Wind for one of those, but it's a bit hard to argue with VGMC5 results.

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Celtic Guardian 7
09/26/11 11:42:00 AM
#76:


SUPPORT:
Touhou 10 - Mountain of Faith
Chrono Cross
Xenosaga III

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Okay, I am not too familiar with Board 8's tastes other than the infamous hatred for vocals. So if someone would like to help me get this in a promising order, I'd appreciate it. I also welcome suggestions of what to switch.

Nomination: Okami
1. Shinshuu Plains -
2. Yamata-No-Orochi's Extermination II -
3. Giving Kushinada a Ride -
4. Northern Country Kamui -
5. The Sun Rises -
6. Reset ~ Thank You Version -
Alt. Harami Lake -

Thoughts on these:

Giving Kushinada a Ride: This one seems fairly popular. It made the VGMC and did well.

Harami Lake: This has always been one of my most loved themes, but I could be alone on that. Feedback is appreciated here.

Northern Country Kamui: May be my personal favorite wide-section theme, if that makes any sense at all. Not sure how many share that opinion, but I love it.

Shinshuu Plains: I'm open to changing this to another if it seems best. I do think it's a good location piece though.

Reset ~ Thank You Version: Honestly, I'm not all that fond of this as a stand alone. In the game, beautifully fitting. Outside, still nice, but not one of my top seven. That said, this got retired in the VGMC, so it seems like a good choice.

The Sun Rises: Obviously a popular piece, to the point it made the finals of VGMC 5. And I'm glad it is, because I really like it too.

Yamata-No-Orochi's Extermination II: Any Okami music fans, give me thoughts on this as a choice. I personally have a huge love for almost every boss theme in this game, so I'd gladly replace it with any other Extermination if it is a better choice.

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Liquid Wind
09/26/11 11:47:00 AM
#77:


support vote for okami
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Haste_2
09/26/11 12:41:00 PM
#78:


Azuarc, I request one or both of the following pieces representated for Secret of Mana!

First choice: Prophecy - only my 11th favorite, but it's the best at attracting votes, methinks!!

Second choice: Tell a Strange Tale - SOSO good!!!!! (2nd favorite) Sadly not everyone likes it....


And, please, don't take off Meridian Dance, whatever you do!

Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney - Trials & Tribulations
1)Trial 2004 -
2)Examination ~ Allegro -
3)Pursuit ~ Cornered 2004 -
4)Godot ~ The Fragrance of Dark Coffee -
5)Announce the Truth 2004 -
6)Reminiscence ~ Hazy Scenery/Bridge -
alt)Elise Deauxnim ~ Simple Melody -

Great, but couldn't quite make the cut:
Search ~ In the Midst 2004 -
Mask de Masque ~ Please Listen! -
Warehouse Tiger -
Hazakura Temple -
Distant Traces of Beauty -

If any of you would like me to adjust my PW:T&T list a bit, please post a message here in the topic for negotiation.

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IloveYoda
09/26/11 1:01:00 PM
#79:


Support:
Secret of Mana
Donkey Kong Country 2
Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney - Trials & Tribulations

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xp1337
09/26/11 1:06:00 PM
#80:


Oh man, I think I have a pretty good nomination and lineup for my next nomination tomorrow. Totally outclasses that Xenosaga III one, IMO. >_>

Just have to hope no one ninja's the game before then.

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KamikazePotato
09/26/11 1:10:00 PM
#81:


xp1337 posted...

I don't like Hills as much as some other Nier songs, but yeah. I tried to construct the list on maximizing contest effectiveness, not picking my own favorites.

Should The Lost Forest or The Wretched Automotons be the 1st one? The 1st song is kind of important.

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xp1337
09/26/11 1:16:00 PM
#82:


Personally? I'd go The Wretched Automatons all the way on that one. That said, I'm not sure if the vocal section in it would backfire. Lost Forest doesn't have that problem, but I also don't think it peaks as high as Wretched Automatons (even ignoring I have nothing against vocals). NieR seems more resistant to the anti-vocal crowd than most other games, so I think Wretched Automatons is the way to go there, at least out of that group. Personally, I'd have kept Snow in Summer there, but that's taking a much bigger risk. The Ultimate Weapon and both Shadowlord's Castle probably are too. I think Wretched Automatons is probably the safest call there for contest strength. Alternatively, you could go Emil / Sacrfice or Kaine / Salvation there, but I don't know if you'd want to do that with Karma and Escape also there.

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azuarc
09/26/11 1:21:00 PM
#83:


Wow, that's a lot of responses for one shift at work. Let me see if I can address questions and concerns in the order they were posted:


so we have no limit on how many OSTs we can "support" right

Right. But supporting determines seeding and qualification, so you don't want to "like" everything. Also, if you are supporting something, be explicit. Just because you discuss a game doesn't mean you have supported it.


this contest is guaranteed to be a train wreck if eds music contest is anything to go by, the people on this board love to take games with great soundtracks and proceed to nominate the worst songs from it.

We'll see. I reserve the right to step in if someone is absolutely putting a nosedive to a game. But that was also why I got in my nom for Secret of Mana first. ^_^

And I'm not sold on 'Arid Sands,' so I replaced it with Haste2's South Town suggestion. Yes, Prophecy is a consideration, but it's also really short. I'm already running short with Fond Memories already, but at least it's :47 rather than :32.


Oooh, we can nominate an OST each day?

Yes, my goal is not to limit the number of entries, so much as not have one person make a super entry with 783947 games, and monopolize the playlist on all of them.


By the way, considering the strange nature of the contest, I suggest making it double-elimination instead of single, so one strange result won't potentially shut out a contest winner.

I have no immediate objection to that.


What happens if multiple people nominate different track lists from a game?
Response: you can't nominate something someone else has, you can only give it a support vote, at least that's the impression I was under


Correct. You can question the setlist choices, however, which is the only reason you'd want to nominate something yourself. Unless you completely balk at the choices given, please make suggestions to the nominator. I only want to intervene in extreme cases.

That said, please drop the "Is Umineko a game" argument. I'm intentionally avoiding commenting on umineko at the moment since I just have a short break and am trying to tidy up everything else, but I did note the objections as I'm compiling my spreadsheet. I don't personally feel that a "visual novel" classifies as a game, but it isn't the standard opinion here using Ed's tournament as the status quo. I'll make a decision on that when I get back from my second job today.


I want CC to do its best and this means playing to Board 8's tastes, even if I personally hate them. The nominator has to act like a DJ of a station and play what will capture the listeners' ears, not what he actually likes, sadly.

Quoting for emphasis. If you nominate a game, it's your responsibility to give it the best chance in the contest.


Well, I have a preliminary list made up. Are we allowed to tinker with the order down the line before nominations are closed? If so, I may post it very soon

Yes. Just make sure it's explicit enough to not be msinterpreted, and don't change it on an hourly basis.



The current tally thus far, btw:
Secret of Mana (2)
DKC2 (4)
Lufia II (1)
NIER (4)
Mega Man X (1)
Halo: ODST
Deus Ex (1)
ClaDun (1)
Bastion (1 - put KP down)
Umineko (tenuously, and 1)
Touhou 10 (2)
Chrono Cross (3)
Plok (1)
Xenosaga III (1)
Okami (1)
PW: T&T (1)

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KanzarisKelshen
09/26/11 1:31:00 PM
#84:


Need a call made on Homestuck if possible. Does it qualify for the contest?

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xp1337
09/26/11 1:33:00 PM
#85:


Need a call made on Homestuck if possible. Does it qualify for the contest?

If Umineko is on the fence, I'd say it's not looking good, but I don't know much about Homestuck except it felt like the complaining against it was even worse than Umineko to me (but maybe that's just because people got bored of arguing over Umineko by now). I'd say wait and see what happens with Umineko first. If it's out, I think Homestuck is doomed.

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The Mana Sword
09/26/11 1:34:00 PM
#86:


Should The Lost Forest or The Wretched Automotons be the 1st one? The 1st song is kind of important.

gods bound by rules

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xp1337
09/26/11 1:35:00 PM
#87:


gods bound by rules

I could get behind this! ...But I think The Wretched Automatons still has a better chance in general.

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Celtic Guardian 7
09/26/11 1:36:00 PM
#88:


All things considered, I'd say The Wretched Automatons is probably the best lead too.

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KCF0107
09/26/11 1:41:00 PM
#89:


Plok should have 2 since Angelo supported it

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xp1337
09/26/11 1:43:00 PM
#90:


I also think NieR is at 5. I suspect the missing one is probably me because I didn't make it super clear.

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The Mana Sword
09/26/11 1:44:00 PM
#91:


needs more OOOH OOOH OOOH OOOH

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ZFS
09/26/11 1:44:00 PM
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xp1337
09/26/11 1:44:00 PM
#93:


Also Dark Saint, IMO.

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Celtic Guardian 7
09/26/11 1:44:00 PM
#94:


You'll need one more piece for Lost Odyssey. I'd suggest Dark Saint.

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ZFS
09/26/11 1:45:00 PM
#95:


Support: Nier, Chrono Cross, Okami.

Nominate: Lost Odyssey (360)
1) Neverending Journey --
2) Parting Forever --
3) A Sign of Hope --
4) Main Theme --
5) A Return, Indeed --
6) Ipsilon Mountains --
Alt. Yosolo --

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diamondh76
09/26/11 1:46:00 PM
#96:


Interesting idea


Nomination: Lords of Thunder (Turbo CD)

1. Dark Tower -

2. Dezant -

3. Auzal -

4. Shop Music -

5. Boss Music -

6. Cielom -

Alt. Llamarada -

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KCF0107
09/26/11 1:47:00 PM
#97:


Support: DKC2

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KanzarisKelshen
09/26/11 1:47:00 PM
#98:


From: xp1337 | #085
Need a call made on Homestuck if possible. Does it qualify for the contest?

If Umineko is on the fence, I'd say it's not looking good, but I don't know much about Homestuck except it felt like the complaining against it was even worse than Umineko to me (but maybe that's just because people got bored of arguing over Umineko by now). I'd say wait and see what happens with Umineko first. If it's out, I think Homestuck is doomed.


Not quite the same thing because the closest thing Umineko has to gameplay is some choices. Homestuck has flash games inbuilt, like a BMU.

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xp1337
09/26/11 1:52:00 PM
#99:


Not quite the same thing because the closest thing Umineko has to gameplay is some choices. Homestuck has flash games inbuilt, like a BMU.

Well, like I said, I don't know much about Homestuck, so you can basically ignore me! It just seemed that it was part of the biggest "Is it a game?" argument since Umineko to me.

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todbot1
09/26/11 1:55:00 PM
#100:


Support: Lost Odyssey, Xenosaga III

Suggestions for my picks are totally appreciated, by the way. Especially for the next one which I'm not entirely sure I was able to avoid bias on >_>

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