Board 8 > Amy Winehouse might be dead.

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Rusry posted...
yeah all those artists currently in the 27 club are all well known and loved ulti. . .

anyways go my D. Boon be in the elite section = (

Yeah, D.Boon deserves to be there.

Man, what a loss.

hey OPINIONS what's new

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(Though it should be noted I'm not a fan of Amy Winehouse's music either, just for the record)

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From: Lopen | Posted: 7/23/2011 3:07:16 PM | #153
(Though it should be noted I'm not a fan of Amy Winehouse's music either, just for the record)

I think Mer's the only one in this topic >_>

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So is most of this topic Sbell trolling and then back-pedaling when called out on it?

I only read the first few pages.

Yup. Not sure if he was trolling, but it's not worth reading anyway.

As for the 27 club business, "good" is subjective so deciding who gets to be it on that criterion doesn't really work. You may argue influence, but that's pretty difficult as well. Amy Winehouse was very influential - she did a lot for the popularizing of the neo soul genre. Don't see why she's less influential than Janis Joplin.

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SBell just assumed that not liking her music also meant we thought she was a bad person and without any form of talent.

He was wrong.

Sometimes I think he'd be more at home in a YouTube comments section.

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From: UltimaterializerX | #143
One, this death is not "surprising" and people need to stop saying it is.

From: KingButz | #005
not surprised

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Yeah I don't think anyone called the death surprising in this topic

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yeah I told my sister who likes her and she said she's not surprised either >_>

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I said his talent was in pandering to a pretentious art fanbase with interpretations of his art rather than actual painting skill

I don't think either of us are very eager to redo that debate, but I never said anything about the interpretation of Pollock's art. Not sure why you're getting back to that all the time.

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Who the **** cares if you were surprised or not?

I don't think anyone dies specifically to shock the world.

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You didn't, no. I did.

Because that's where most of the talent in abstract art is, in most cases, Pollock's being one of the worst examples.

The difference between Winehouse and Pollock is that Winehouse had a certain degree of pop culture appeal. It gets tougher to pinpoint exactly what she's doing but some people like her so she must be doing something right. Whereas Pollock's fanbase I'd assume is almost all pretentious "art interpretation" people, and it's very easy to see what makes them tick, and thus where the talent lies. Maybe I'm wrong-- maybe there are average joes on the street who can say "whoa, this is amazing" but I'm just not seeing it as very likely.

You may think interpretation of the painting and the painting itself are inseparable and that you have to be talented at painting to be able to manipulate, but I just don't agree with that. You can also claim that Pollock's "drip" painting "technique" makes him talented as an artist and not a diplomat-- I say that's just more interpretation at work. You can call anything, even something that's ineffective, a "technique." The difference is that in most fields a bad technique will be obsoleted, but in abstract art the actual merit can be obscured by a bunch of yes men "connoisseurs" deeming it good.

But yeah, like I said, talented, just not as a painter. Sorry if this was offensive.

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It gets tougher to pinpoint exactly what she's doing but some people like her so she must be doing something right.

This doesn't necessarily contradict with what Sbell was saying, though. Everyone has a talent for something. That's obviously not what Sbell meant - he was saying Winehouse had no talent as an artist/musician. This doesn't contradict with "she had a talent at appealing to some people because some people like her."

Whereas Pollock's fanbase I'd assume is almost all pretentious "art interpretation" people, and it's very easy to see what makes them tick, and thus where the talent lies. Maybe I'm wrong-- maybe there are average joes on the street who can say "whoa, this is amazing" but I'm just not seeing it as very likely.

Yeah, I'm not sure where you're getting this idea from. I don't know how many of the people who like Pollock are pretentious, but this seems to be based on speculation (or wishful thinking?) on your part rather than facts. My Dad hates most abstract art as much as you do, and he loves Pollock. I like Pollock. I hope you don't think I'm a pretentious art interpretation guy >_>

You may think interpretation of the painting and the painting itself are inseparable and that you have to be talented at painting to be able to manipulate, but I just don't agree with that.

I don't think this.

Sorry if this was offensive.

Not at all! Even if your opinions are wrong. :-P

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Amy Winehouse has an incredibly distinctive and easy to lsiten to voice and she uses it well and wrote some powerful evocative music. What else are you looking for in a musician if that's not talent?

Now whether or not you consider popularity tantamount to talent is irrelevant, the fact that she wasn't pushed into the spotlight in America has no bearing to her quality either; she had 9 top 100 tracks in the UK, Back to Black was the best selling album here in '07, and the 3rd best selling of the last decade.

Saying she had no talent is absurd, you just have to listen to her voice to hear talent.

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Membership in the 27 Club is not based on some subjective evaluation on how good the artist was. You need to be a famous musician who died at the age of 27. That's it.

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oh I was wondering why she was one of the most viewed on amazon right now. I swear, so many times I see something is one of the top viewed on amazon, I go "huh thats weird" then later I go to B8 and find out why.

last time it was Monado for the Wii

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Amy Winehouse has an incredibly distinctive and easy to lsiten to voice

XIII is cool also has an incredibly distinctive voice, but that doesn't mean he's a talented vocalist.

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This doesn't necessarily contradict with what Sbell was saying, though. Everyone has talent for something. That's obviously not what Sbell meant - he was saying Winehouse has no talent as an artist/musician. This doesn't contradict with "she has a talent at appealing to some people because some people like her."

You're right. But the point was I can't be sure exactly why people like her, and while I dislike it her music isn't like literal grating of nails on a chalkboard or something where I cannot see how anyone would like it. In fact I don't think I've ever heard music that bad, where I cannot fathom why anyone would like it.

Yeah, I'm not sure where you're getting this idea from. I don't know how many of the people who like Pollock are pretentious, but this seems to be based on speculation (or wishful thinking?) on your part rather than actual facts. My Dad hates most abstract art as much as you do, and he loves Pollock. I like Pollock. I hope you don't think I'm a pretentious art interpretation guy >_>

I'm just curious what merit his works have if you're not looking at it from the view of an art person-- unlike Winehouse I literally cannot see anything redeemable there. They seriously just look like random ass scribbling. It is speculation but I cannot fathom what casual joes could see there.

Put it this way: You play Winehouse to a large crowd unfamiliar with music at all, some might find it enjoyable. Do the same with a Pollock and people who are not familiar with art at all, and I'm just not seeing anyone like it. I could be wrong-- or I could be wrong that the ability to appeal to people not "in the know" at all is important, but I think it is. I'm not saying it's all about appealing to the masses or anything-- I'm just saying that it shouldn't be necessary to "get it" to get any enjoyment out of it. You can certainly get more enjoyment out of it if you "get it" which is cool with me, but yeah.

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nintendogirl1 posted...
Amy Winehouse has an incredibly distinctive and easy to lsiten to voice and she uses it well and wrote some powerful evocative music. What else are you looking for in a musician if that's not talent?

Now whether or not you consider popularity tantamount to talent is irrelevant, the fact that she wasn't pushed into the spotlight in America has no bearing to her quality either; she had 9 top 100 tracks in the UK, Back to Black was the best selling album here in '07, and the 3rd best selling of the last decade.

Saying she had no talent is absurd, you just have to listen to her voice to hear talent.

you seem upset


Also I get a horrible feeling in my stomach when this topic triples the Norway topic in posts, and when Drudge replaces his headline with the Winehouse story (seriously, she was like a three-hit wonder).

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What the hell is there to say about the Norway situation other than some variation of "That's terrible?"

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yes she was liked in the UK ulti, it's not very hard for a country to like one of their own if they prove to be successful.

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Norway got as many posts as it did because Andel's trolling

Just like how this topic got as much posts as it did because of SBell

SBell was just more involved than Andel was, so this topic has more posts

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Biolizard28 posted...
What the hell is there to say about the Norway situation other than some variation of "That's terrible?"

we debate how much of a role spanking played in the tragedy

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Anyway, she had a talent for singing(I don't know if she actually played an instrument or not), but her voice was not easy to listen too, I found very annoying. Not my cup of tea.

I'm just curious what merit his works have if you're not looking at it from the view of an art person-- unlike Winehouse I literally cannot see anything redeemable there. They seriously just look like random ass scribbling. It is speculation but I cannot fathom what casual joes could see there.

Put it this way: You play Winehouse to a large crowd unfamiliar with music at all, some might find it enjoyable. Do the same with a Pollock and people who are not familiar with art at all, and I'm just not seeing anyone like it. I could be wrong-- or I could be wrong that the ability to appeal to people not "in the know" at all is important, but I think it is. I'm not saying it's all about appealing to the masses or anything-- I'm just saying that it shouldn't be necessary to "get it" to get any enjoyment out of it. You can certainly get more enjoyment out of it if you "get it" which is cool with me, but yeah.

I could enjoy Pollock fine if I didn't know anything about him. I find his, and other painters', abstract art pleasant to look at. I enjoy looking at the combination, contrast and layers of the colors.

You seem to find it unfathomable that someone might just enjoy looking at a painting that isn't figurative, but I don't find this difficult at all!

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I don't get why one would call Gaga talented but not Winehouse.

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Mr Lasastryke posted...
I don't get why one would call Gaga talented but not Winehouse.

One's an easy target because of drug abuse.

I cannot say this enough.

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Damn, what's the time difference between those sets of pictures?

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From: Mershaaay | #173
Also I get a horrible feeling in my stomach when this topic triples the Norway topic in posts, and when Drudge replaces his headline with the Winehouse story (seriously, she was like a three-hit wonder).

These topics have a set number of posts, and they're directlyu related to how many people disagree that they're terrible/not worth mourning/etc. this topic has more people who thought Amy Winehouse had no talent than the Norway topic had people who thought it wasn't terrible news. Topics are driven by conversation and if there are no dissenting opinions a news topic of that scale results in everyone saying "that's awful" and the topic is over.

Also, as awful as it is to admit, Amy Winehouse had an impact in my life, regardless of how insignificant it may have been. 100 people in Norway is obviously a greater tragedy, but their death is the first impact they've had in my life.

But back to Amy winehouse, she had an impressive voice, and I love her music, but I would never have gone to see her live because she never performs without being high and/or drunk. That doesn't take away from what her voice did and she DID have an incredible, and powerful voice.

From: UltimaterializerX | #172
Her home country loved her? I am shocked and amazed at this turn of events.

Because every British musician breaks records here. *roll eyes*

This is less "home country loved her, SHOCK" and more "US music industry refused to promote her because she had the wrong image."

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You seem to find it unfathomable that someone might just enjoy looking at a painting that isn't figurative, but I don't find this difficult at all!

Let's not get the wrong idea. I actually like some abstract art. Pollocks (and most others I've seen, but not all) are just terrible.

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I actually like some abstract art. Pollocks (and most others I've seen, but not all) are just terrible.

So you find it unfathomable that people have different tastes in abstract art than you do?

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opinions are obviously objective, but if winehouse is talented than so are brittany spears and lady gaga. she is not the musician or (especially) song writer that any of the '27' club were.

From: XxDarkCrueltyxX | #190
but if winehouse is talented than so are brittany spears and lady gaga.

bahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

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27 is so young. It's crazy at how many people in the 27 club were able to have a lasting effect on the world at such a young age.

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From: WazzupGenius00 | #185
Damn, what's the time difference between those sets of pictures?

Sorry, but I do not know.

Why are you people making the "27 club" look like some kind of hall of fame where you need to be inducted or something?

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she is not the musician or (especially) song writer that any of the '27' club were.

Janis Joplin wasn't a musician.

And Winehouse did write her own songs, though other people co-wrote some of them. That she was a worse songwriter than the 27 club people is, again, subjective.

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From: Mr Lasastryke | #189
I actually like some abstract art. Pollocks (and most others I've seen, but not all) are just terrible.

So you find it unfathomable that people have different tastes in abstract art than you do?

I do, because like I said so much importance is placed upon the interpretation of the art in abstract art.

It makes me doubt if the evaluation of the worth of the piece as a piece is accurate or bogged by the rhetoric or the community's expectations.

If that wasn't in play, I would say "well I guess some people like it" and leave it at that. It's just the way abstract art is judged that makes me doubt it when I see no merit whatsoever there.

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From: Mr Lasastryke | #196
Janis Joplin wasn't a musician.

I'm sorry, come again?



It's funny to see which people are making fools of themselves again and again.

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From: Mr Lasastryke | #196
Janis Joplin wasn't a musician.

Uhhhhh...

What?

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I do, because like I said so much importance is placed upon the interpretation of the art in abstract art.

It makes me doubt if the evaluation of the worth of the piece as a piece is accurate or bogged by the rhetoric or the community's expectations.

If that wasn't in play, I would say "well I guess some people like it" and leave it at that. It's just the way abstract art is judged that makes me doubt it.

Doubtlessly there are some pretentious people out there who don't judge a picture for what it's worth, but this goes for the abstract art you like as much as Pollock's. I don't understand why you find it unfathomable that people genuinely enjoy Pollock's art, as opposed to people who like other abstract art.

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