Board 8 > For how good/entertaining the protagonists are,

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Cloud > Terra > Ramza = Squall > Cecil > Tidus > Zidane > Lightning > Bartz > Firion > Vaan

Way to not even properly be the main character, Vaan.

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...This is actually a really solid list. I wouldn't change a thing! (maybe cecil a bit higher)

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Terrible list.

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bartz rules

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zidane is way too low for this list to be taken seriously

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Not Dave posted...
bartz rules

Of all of the characters to argue for, Bartz? Really? He's... not even that interesting.

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He's basically just a completely random dude who happens to be the son of a hero.

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Being a completely random dude can be significantly more interesting than your typical protagonist. It's fun to watch an ordinary guy do extraordinary things.

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BARTZ RULES

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Zidane, Ramza, and Tidus belong at the top, in that order. maybe Bartz after that. Terra shouldn't even be sniffing the top.

Utterly terrible list.

Describing Bartz like that is awful. So what if his dad's a hero? Bartz is himself, he's gonna explore the world with his chocobo, and he's gonna have adventures while spitting out more one liners than any one else in that list could manage. He's got more than enough personality aside from that too!

And Zidane is way more entertaining than most.

Those two by far are the top of the list. Terra way lower, Squall lower, Cloud lower.

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Bartz is too high.

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KJH posted...
Utterly terrible list.

Describing Bartz like that is awful. So what if his dad's a hero? Bartz is himself, he's gonna explore the world with his chocobo, and he's gonna have adventures while spitting out more one liners than any one else in that list could manage. He's got more than enough personality aside from that too!

And Zidane is way more entertaining than most.

Those two by far are the top of the list. Terra way lower, Squall lower, Cloud lower.

Bartz himself really doesn't have much of a personality. There aren't any moments in the game where it's like "Yes. Only Bartz would have said/done that" except when he learns that his father was one of the Dawn Warriors. By comparison, the other protagonists (... maybe not Firion, it's been forever since I played FFII) have a lot of moments like that.

And to clarify, I'm only counting the main game in the series each, so Cloud's character butchering in AC doesn't affect this list.

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Describing Bartz like that is awful. So what if his dad's a hero? Bartz is himself, he's gonna explore the world with his chocobo, and he's gonna have adventures while spitting out more one liners than any one else in that list could manage. He's got more than enough personality aside from that too!

so basically

BARTZ IS AWESOME BECAUSE HE'S DIFFERENT THAN MOST JRPG LEADS LOL SO IRONIC HEY LOOK AT ME GIVE ME ATTENTION FOR MY SHAMELESSLY UNIQUE OPINION

got it

Bartz is an awful, awful lead, and anyone who says otherwise is deluding themselves. Great game, horrible characters (Gilgamesh and Galuf aside, obviously).

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Also, you seem to hate happiness. The lower down the list you go, the happier the characters get.

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Never understood the Cloud love. Easily one of my least favourite leads in the series.

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KamikazePotato posted...
Also, you seem to hate happiness. The lower down the list you go, the happier the characters get.

I honestly did not notice that.


thundersheep posted...
Never understood the Cloud love. Easily one of my least favourite leads in the series.

Cloud is one of the only protagonists who discovers stuff about himself (not just his backstory, but stuff about himself as a person) and has all of that properly integrated into the story.

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If Vaan isn't properly the main character, then he isn't the protagonist either and shouldn't be on the list.

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Terra 2nd?

What the heck is this

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Man Bosh, you really like to jump to conclusions. I like Bartz because he's a fun guy. He may not be the most deep guy around, but if you give me an upbeat, ordinary guy that makes puns, I'll like him a hell of a lot more than a self pitying superhuman.

And by the way, he's almost the exact same as Galuf as a character. Which is fine. They pal around, they bounce puns and responding groans back at each other, practically high five over seeing Faris sleeping/naked.

Same reason Zidane's good.

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who is this boshstrikesback fellow anyway

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Bartz is pretty awesome. Again, I'm not argue that he is a deep and meaningful character or that he even has much of a character. He's just kind of an upbeat guy and that's cool.

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Cloud is one of the only protagonists who discovers stuff about himself (not just his backstory, but stuff about himself as a person) and has all of that properly integrated into the story.

Like Terra, Squall, Lightning and Tidus?

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Bartz is pretty awesome. Again, I'm not argue that he is a deep and meaningful character or that he even has much of a character. He's just kind of an upbeat guy and that's cool.

yeah maybe. but i can read people p. well, and it's obvious that this kamikaze guy is on a quest for uniqueness-for-uniqueness'-sake. sonic colors > galaxy 2, ladies and gentlemen

which is why i quoted him and not anybody else! (though i do dislike bartz, i confess)

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Which is why you only quoted me and instantly made a stupid assumption.

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I'd put Zidane higher, and add Arc from FF3 inbetween Bartz and Firion (hell, maybe even between Firion/Vaan). Other than that, solid ranking

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terra about five spots too high

zidane out to be moved up and I don't even like FFIX much

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Which is why you only quoted me and instantly made a stupid assumption.

"whoops", wrong quote

so i'm feeling a bit confrontational today. apologies

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Not liking Bartz is a paddlin' followed by a gorilla thrashing.

Just a heads up.

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Arc?

You mean Luneth?

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From: thundersheep | #024
Like Terra, Squall, Lightning and Tidus?

This

Sounds like you just played FF7 first and like it the best

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OmarsComin posted...
Zidane, Ramza, and Tidus belong at the top, in that order. maybe Bartz after that. Terra shouldn't even be sniffing the top.

Aside from Tidus, I agree.

biolizardfan posted...
From: thundersheep | #024
Like Terra, Squall, Lightning and Tidus?
This

Sounds like you just played FF7 first and like it the best

Nice assumption, but I actually played FF7 second-to-last. The only FF I played after it is FF13. In fact, FF5 is my first FF, I found a fan translation of it.

To be completely fair, I should mention that I never finished FF12, I couldn't force myself to continue after a point.

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To be fair, he didn't say Cloud was the only one.

But if he's going to use that as a justification, then Squall should be first because that's pretty much the central focus of FFVIII.

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I wonder if there's anyone out there willing to actually argue that Vaan should be higher than that.

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I wonder if there's anyone out there willing to actually argue that Vaan should be higher than that.

I'm sure Panthera will show up sooner or later.

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Tidus > Zidane

Oh...Dear God...

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Tidus > Zidane is one of the things the inequality gets correct, actually!

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> Zidane

noooooope

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LeonhartFour posted...
To be fair, he didn't say Cloud was the only one.

But if he's going to use that as a justification, then Squall should be first because that's pretty much the central focus of FFVIII.

No, because that's the not the only important thing. Specifically, Squall is kind of annoying at first, and though it's necessary so he can grow out of it, it's still kind of annoying. Cloud is never really annoying at all, except in AC.

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YetAnothrShadow posted...
I wonder if there's anyone out there willing to actually argue that Vaan should be higher than that.

I am. He should be one spot from the bottom, because Bartz should be last.

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Vaan shouldn't even be on the list. Ashe is the main character of FFXII.

Yeah, I said it.

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Terra not last bad list

Yes I was including Vaan

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FFV Advance Bartz >>>> fan translation Butz

Bartz better than Terra

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this topic made me realize that I really don't care for FF's main characters at all

Zidane cool, but all other main characters pale in comparison to other cast members of their games

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how do people think Bartz is not entertaining

sure he's not some deep intriguing character but since when is that the only thing that makes a character good

He says some funny things, and his personality and life circumstances are cool enough

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